Justice does not always have something to do with revenge. I shall give an example.
A retarded or autistic man kills his mother because she didn't bring him the right kind of food. >Justice: the man pays compensatory damages and is put in an institute. No revenge of any kind; the measure deals justice and compensates the victim's relatives >Revenge: someone kills the retard
>>7584998 Bullshit desu. That "rehab should be more important than punishment" is fucking young. Original justice might have had something to do with compensating the victim; but that compensation could be an economicar (or other kind) retribution or a physical punishment (jail, violence or death) which had to be accepted as legit by the community. Sorry for my englisj
>>7585251 The question was "what is the difference between justice and revenge". It doesn't matter how long it's been this way, what matters is how we see justice at this moment in time. Original justice was revenge, later compensation was added, and even later the idea that some people are unaccountable for their mistakes. Physical punishment has never been a sort of compensation; traditionally it was punitive, now it is also used as a protection for society and a way for rehabilitation.
>>7585307 >>7585307 >It doesn't matter how long it's been this way, what matters is how we see justice at this moment in time So if we gon define the concept of State and I live in a socialdemocrat country I must include wealthcare as an essential characteristic of the State in my definition? I be tryna define it from a general perspective. >Physical punishment has never been a sort of compensation Although there are other forms of compensation, physical punishment for the criminal can be desirable by the victim just as much as by the whole community; the difference is justice must be aproved by the majority of society. Justice is useful for two main reasons: it dissuades criminals and it satisfies victims or simply those who reject criminals. >traditionally it was punitive, now it is also used as a protection for society and a way for rehabilitation Also, but not in many cases. Let's say two friends go mad while an argument and guy A kills guy B. 20 years of prison. >Protection for society The murder of B took place while A was mad about something which only A and B cared about. There ain't no real danger for any member of society. A ain't no psycho neither sadistic, he just went mad and regrets it. >Rehab Most people give no fucks about rehab desu. All they want to see is the criminal behind bars as long as possible. At least that is the way it goes in my country. A doesn't need no rehab. A guy who killed a kid while driving drunk will go to prison although all he needs is to learn how to not drink while driving.
I've thought about this question before, so I had an answer prepared. Justice and vengeance are both forms of active retribution, meaning they are concepts which demand some manner of satisfaction from another party that is perceived as being at fault. Vengeance is purely or mostly subjective retribution; it is satisfied by whatever means the vengeful party feels are necessary to compensate their grievance, based on an emotional response. For retribution to be "just" there has to be some attempt at objectivity, whereby the aggrieved party (or a neutral arbiter, in the case of the state) attempts to determine what measure of compensation from or punishment inflicted upon the guilty party is equivalent to their transgression.
Objective here is a loose term, since what can be seen as equivalent will be influenced by culture etc. But it boils down to vengeance being based on emotion and therefore subjective and likely unequivocal, while justice contains elements of consideration and rationality aimed at an objectively equivalent compensation.
>>7585441 >physical punishment for the criminal can be desirable by the victim just as much as by the whole community Yes, but it's because they want revenge, not compensation; physical punishment of another can never be compensation, because the victim doesn't win anything by it except for the fulfillment of his desire for revenge. Compensation implies the repairment of some sort of loss, but physical punishment doesn't repair, it only damages further. >Let's say two friends go mad while an argument and guy A kills guy B. 20 years of prison. >20 years Not in my country, and there is a danger to society: lower threshold for violence after he killed someone, obviously also very lightly offended which can be dangerous in the future. Also, that's why alternative punishments exist. But anyway, I'm not saying there is no punitive element, there certainly is, but you have to differ it from compensation. Both are parts of justice; revenge is not. >All they want to see is the criminal behind bars as long as possible. Which is why we leave justice to professional institutions instead of the petty thirst for revenge of the masses >At least that is the way it goes in my country Where you from?
>>7584951 Who the fuck is she eating with? Did she sit there on accident? Was she using that dude as cover? Does no one else realize they're in the presence of that chick from Push? What the fuck is happening.
>>7584951 >Whence things have their origin, >Thence also their destruction happens, >According to necessity; >For they give to each other justice and recompense >For their injustice >In conformity with the ordinance of Time.
>>7585595 Funny how that works, in my country life long sentencies are constitutionaly prohibited, but that doesn't judges from cumulating years on a guy from different charges, there was a guy that had to serve like sixty years, and since he was almost fifty yats old i'd mean he'd be there for life.
There is no justice, there is no revenge. Welcome to the modern world. Such individualistic notions are not present anymore. The reason the words are still in use is because keeping them alive, and adjusting them to a collective association, they help keep the stability and a sense of legitimation.
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