I met a girl that said she reads, I asked her what she thought of Steinbeck because I figured he is well known enough. She had no idea who he was, her two favorite authors were
>a. John Grisham
>b. Nicolas Sparks
It was a complete turnoff. Where did I go wrong?
Why even bother talking to girls about this shit like this and taking it seriously? The real conversation you should be having takes place in the subtext, the body language, the emoting, etc. Getting your panties in a bunch because some girl doesn't like lit tier books is a good way to remain virginal.
It's the same for film buffs dude, just bite the bullet and accept that a pretentious attitude is going to be seen as a reaction relative to the norm whether you have it or not.
Accept that most people are forever plebs and either ignore the topic or recommend her books and say your back list is 100 strong so you won't have time for hers... that's the way it should be for women, they don't want to be influential they want to be known of and influenced.
I recommend getting into a relationship with one of these people for a while to learn how hellish it is to actually spend time with one of these people.
The more I make myself open to people, the more I hate them. Most people are complete trash intellectually.
The people I hate the most are apologists who try to act like everyone is of equal intelligence and each person has their own unique insights on the world.
Most people have nothing going on up there whatsoever. It's a desert. Why would you assume hairless apes necessarily have any kind of creativity, intelligence, or insight?
Also it's not just women but men as well. I've just ended up giving women all the more benefit of the doubt because I enter into relationships with them.
>Girl Barista at coffee shop listening to Mumford and sons
>ask her if she likes them
>"I like the sound, but they lean hard on Shakespeare and Steinbeck"
Some people aren't plebs in every way
Some might not be plebs, why take the risk of having them tell you about stuff that is boring all day unless you are going for a raise from that person? Best you can do is just leak a few tid bits here and there but nothing obvious, steal a few jokes from good movies and see if anyone recalls.
go to the local arthouse cinema.
they are playing Star Wars to keep their head above water.
waiting in line to pick up my reservation for some vague experimental French underground film in collaboration with a Japanese soy milker.
all these happy people around, couples, sometimes with children all smiling.
I loathe them, their narrow mass-market views.
They wouldn't understand the subtleties of Gaspard's camera movements in Irreversible or the tracking shots from Tarkovsky
They are plebs.
The load of them
>See q.t.3.14 on train
>She's reading East of Eden
>Too autistic to initiate contact
Oh well, I'm sure another opportunity will present itself, and I'll Hamlet the fuck out of that one too.
It's a matter of their history to them. Even you admit you're a pretentious cunt, and smugness is exhuded naturally so they can tell.
From now on little acts of smugness like not liking star wars will remind them of the fact that you're a pretentious cunt
If you're basing who you screw off how much they read, you're really doing it wrong.
Also when a person says they "read" anymore, they generally mean they read a YA novel once every year and a half. Get used to it, exploit it to your advantage.
Because men as practical visual learners are easily visually distracted with the huge amounts of visual stimulus available and the education system taught them that books and words are boring girl things.
>tfw burying myself in reading and writing to avoid the fact my gf has cheated on me several times
>can't imaging life without her but at this point it's just embarrassing
>she thinks I don't know
You could say I'm a cuck, but I'm hardly a "provider" so I guess I don't feel as bad about it
Shut the fuck up. JJ Abrahams is a fucking hack and had no idea what he was doing.
All the actual star wars fan I've spoken to hated that shlock. It's a soulless cashgrab used to sell toys to gullible children.
Eh, both the men and women I know who read specifically love Kerouac and Coelho. The men tend to adore Bukowski (as well as one or two of the edgier women) while the women are also big fans of gay Harry Potter/Doctor Who fanfiction.
I don't mind too much, as I don't really discuss literature in real life. It's a brute cost-benefit thing. If I talk about good literature I'm either deemed a pretentious try-hard, which is shitty, or people will think it's great and cultured and my literary pursuits will be tainted by vanity. Shitty outcome either way. Sure, they might not care at all, but then why talk about it in the first place.
It would be great to meet some people with a genuine interest in it though.
Have some dignity man.
How does your relationship even work? Does she know you're aware she's the communal village hole? How can she respect you then, and much more importantly, how can you respect yourself?
I don't mean to be mean, but man, the psychology of the thing is interesting.
Well I just imagine it works like most other relationships. We depend on each other in a weird way, like all couples. She doesn't know that I know she's cheated on me, with at least 2 different guys (not sure how many times)... Even though she cheats on me I think I do have something to offer those other guys don't, namely a relationship and emotional support.
As far as respecting myself goes, I don't. I dislike myself, and I feel like I would treat a loser like me in the same way if I were her, so in a way, I understand her actions.
/fit/ pls go.
A relationship and emotional support while she is shitting all over you. Man honestly, you need to learn how to love yourself. That starts with dumping that nasty skank.
And I'm not the /fit/ guy, but seriously, try lifting. It could work towards making you like yourself more, and having just an ounce of self-respect.
I'm not ok with it. I've been writing like a madman and reading even more to deal with it. Part of me is fueled by it, I've never been more productive in my life. Maybe I'll dump her after I finish my novel
I like this girl, despite of the butterface..\
I sincerely hope you have extreme success with your endeavours, and that you will shove that skank out of your life.
God damn it's interesting how I can feel so vehement about a guy I don't know getting cucked. It just rustles my jimmies like nothing else.
A fuckbuddy calls me "the book guy" when talking about me to her friends, I met one of her friends for the first times this weekend: "Wow! You look like Justin Bieber".
Not sure what to think of myself anymore. Am I Books? Or am I Bieber?
There is something to be said for the first 6 Star Wars movies, though. Even though they are as corny and canned as it can get, Lucas was, to a certain extent, an auteur. The new Star Wars is shit though.
for what it's worth i liked the new star wars enough that i went and saw it again, i think it's a pretty decent film and would recommend it. i understand if you don't want to see it though, i usually don't like action movies and big franchises and stuff.
>Some people get really defensive when you don't like the things they do, as if you are insulting their intelligence
this reminds me:
>be in creative writing class at uni
>first lesson, tutor asks everyone what their favourite writers/books are
>this girl says a few writers like vonnegut, nabokov are her favourites but she also still reads harry potter and likes john green
>seems shocked and doesn't believe me when i say i've never read john green and only read one harry potter book
>'how can you have not read harry potter?'
>accuses me of lying about the fact that i don't love harry potter, because everybody does
that was weird. she refused to believe that my favourite books weren't YA or modern pop-fiction. that girl was an ultra pleb tho
GUYS. I talked to pretty girl and it turns out she was shallow! WHAT WENT WRONG????
Why can't pretty girls be patrician lit buffs? At this rate of disappointment, I'm gonna have to talk to a girl who's roughly as attractive as I am :/
>tfw all the good ones die of cancer
She was wife material.
>tfw my girlfriend knows a lot more about literature than me, has read more than me and is undoubtedly more intelligent
She admits, however, that I'm a "great" writer, so it's not all bad.
In my defense, I juggle a lot more hobbies than she does.
>She was in final year of med school.
God damn, she was even more perfect then I thought. I've always dreamed of being half of a an aesthetic stern doctor power couple.
Perhaps in something regards. I have the most knowledge about video games because
I'm a lost hopeand have spent most of my time playing them, so I'm certainly a video game patrician.
I like to think that I have a decent grasp on the philosophy of film, but I'm certainly just an observer.
Writing is just something that comes naturally to me, through instinct. So I chose that as my career.
i dont' really care what your chosen fields are, but lines like
>In my defense, I juggle a lot more hobbies than she does.
tend to indicate pleb status, because it sets up a false dichotomy. all the true patricians have deep knowledge and expertise on a variety of topics, often very disparate ones, and it's only plebs and dilettantes who think you have to choose between breadth and depth
Let me have that, at least.
It isn't as though I just consume base-level mediocrity in all of the mediums. I strive to find depth and interest, and not take in dross, in every field of study or entertainment. What I was pointing out was that she spends all of her free time reading, whilst I have to find time to partake in all of my interests.
what's better, people who read about 5 /lit/ approved books/year
or people who read hundreds of books including harry potter series every year, entire fantasy series and all the most popular YA pieces of trash?
there seems to be two kinds of women:
ones that i find still posting on fb about some author of type of music i mentioned like once 4 years ago that they suddenly got really into or amass some huge graphic novel collection about losers even tho their successfully employed normies
and ones that recoil and think everything is pretentious and go even harder into YA and no reading at all
When do we get our 'most sexist book part of the internet you've never heard of: why books are still a sexist boys' club' clickbait thread on jezebel?
I did this when me and my ex were in the long drawn out process of finishing. I came out of it a better person thanks to the reading. Just dump her ass and get the obligatory months solipsist self flagellating out of the way so you can be happy again, and maybe make something decent along the way.
Someone might deride you for your comment sounding kind of autistic, but I totally agree with you. I don't know whether to be impressed or sad when people go on about "just give them a chance, everyone's got something interesting deep down." I totally disagree; very rarely, if ever, have I met an interesting person who seemed boring at first.
The more I read, the wider the gap becomes between the people I do and don't like; I have more to talk about with the former, and am more bored by the latter.
It's just kind of a bummer how dull most people are. I'm hardly a prize, but god damn.
its fully true, you probably aren't very good with people if you cant get them to reveal anything interesting.
there are, for example, many people in the world who tend not to speak unless they have something really good to say. all of them appear boring at first but every now and then will just say something great.
Personally I've found that a lot of women are shit readers, but there are more women who read actual literature than there are men. But the men I meet who read tend to be the best and most varied readers.
Though it's admittedly hard to find men who read.
It is not fully true, and that belief reveals an ironically narrow experience with other people. And don't project onto me your conflation of being shy or otherwise taciturn with being boring; when I mentioned people who were boring from the beginning, I wasn't so naive that I was referring to people who may just be withdrawn, but rather to those who are open, and in their openness betray how fucking boring they are.
Maybe you've never felt the disappointment of sitting across from a girl whose sorry attempts at conversation are punctuated by an embarrassing absentminded obsession with incessantly refreshing her instagram. If that's the case, I envy your blissful ignorance; otherwise, I pity the low standards to which you hold people.
You stopped being her boyfriend the moment she decided to cheat.
Stop calling her and treating her like your girlfriend. Push aside the fear of loneliness, drop her and cut all ties.
I'm not going to call you a cuck, just have some self respect. Likely this is advice you don't want to hear.
why do threads like this ALWAYS blow up. why can't every single person who posted in this thread go back to fuckin /r9k/ or whatever forever. fuckin christ, you're ALL perpetually embarrassing this board
A true patrician knows how not to be a condescending cunt. A great athlete might not read any books at all and listen to top 40 because he spends 12 hours a day training
case and point, skip to 2:07 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcwU9fCBMM0
>It's the same for film buffs dude
This. Most film buffs I know are the human embodiment of /tv/: they are obsessed with memes, believe they're smarter than they really are, and have a false sense of superiority.
>case and point
I've seen others on /lit/ make this mistake, and some tried to correct me when I didn't make the mistake (suggesting I make the mistake you made), but it's actually "case in point".
Anyway, great athletes are typically the furthest thing from patricians. To be a capital-T True patrician you must be condescending to EVERYONE, even other patricians.
Google seems to agree. Thou I'm not native English speaker and I've always seen it used like this.
Being patrician is just a faggy 4chan meme. IRL if you are a condescending cunt, no one will like you unless. Unless you are famous that is, cus then you would be patrician in the eyes of normies.
so I my girlfriend just broke up with me and I am pretty devestated, but the new girl I have a second date tonight said her favourite book is stalker and movie- alien.
I just wanted a quick rebound, what will i do ?
I constantly chastise my gf for not being a reader. It's created one hell of an insecurity in her. She attempts to read. She can't read more than one chapter of printed word.
I make fun of her for her poor word choice and silly grammar.
you're an idiot for having such baseless assumptions. /lit/ is fucking full of people like you that think you have such an amazingly complex view of the world but in reality cant live, interact, or contribute a damn thing worth a shit to anything.
Exactly. Unless they are lesbians and asexuals. Or family.
I would say the same about straightbros who aren't willing to do bi-to-gay shit, except straightbros have a purpose, which is to platonically bro out with.
However, among women, unless they are lesbians, asexuals, or family, always have an eye on the possibility of fucking if you are a man whose cock likes pussy, even if you are a man whose cock also likes cock but not exclusively. You dig?
It's decent. It really is. Not great, watchable movie, J.J. Abrams seemed like he was consciously trying to make into the meme-fuel of the year more than a real epic. On the bright side it's not awful.
>widely attributed to be part of the American literary canon
No wonder I've never heard of him. He's one of those mediocre foreign authors who never would have made a cent, but he had a publisher that managed to sneak it into a school curriculum.
I met a russian girl a while back that was big into lit. Since I'm technically a normie it was really refreshing to meet someone interested in things other than money and partying. Got into some deep conversations about culture and where the world was and is currently heading. People at the party thought it was weird that we were talking about russian literature while they were blowing lines of coke.
We actually hit it off and then she went home with her boyfriend (one of my best childhood friends).
what's even worse is that my friend is actually a great guy and always thought it was cool that I enjoyed all of the non-normie things that I do, would try to talk about them with me etc.
He definitely only met this girl because of my influence
I don't know if I would say that about that anon. Not nearly as horrible person as the women who are backstabbing their supposed lovers, that's for damn sure. In a way, he's a necessary litmus test for whores, and doing a greater good for the world.
He should make it a point to tell the guys afterwards. Sure it's dangerous, but such is the plight of the hero.
I'm fairly sure Morrissey is making me gay, slowly but surely. When I've been listening to The Smiths for any extended period of time I start to notice male q.ts much more often, more often than females even.
Yes, if everyone had the same restraint and virtue, but they don't, and it will not happen. If she'd cuck him for you, she'd cuck him for the flavour of the next month.
That's why it may be easier to just do it, own up to it, say she didn't mention any boyfriend until afterwards, that you feel terrible about it, and make the world a better place by shivving harlots.
I have a story here. You can make of it what you will.
>I'm meeting up with a friend becuase he wants to introduce me to a girl he likes to take some pressure off of him in a social environment.
>he tells me that he "really likes" her which is big news because he's kind of a frat bro
>he says she's "like really smart" and i'm skeptical but don't show it
>We meet up at a restaurant
>he's there with her
>I introduce myself
>she's a 9/10 blonde with big tits wearing a revealing outfit
>very little conversation for a few minutes but my friend is fit so I guess conversation won't matter much with this girl anyway.
>She sees my camera and asks if I shoot photos
>leads to 15 minute in depth conversation about photography that alienates friend
>try to move the conversation back to something more general
>complain a little about work (I work with my friend in the school IT department)
>ask what she does
>she works at the met.(we live in NYC)
>"lolwut, I actually love bernini" forty-five minute conversation about art.
>friend may as well not be there
>Starting to feel bad about doing this to my friend
>trying to think of anything that he could join the conversation with.
>during the course of this the conversation shifts to literature
>distracted from guilt once again
>she makes a joke about what a hipster voltaire is and how if he were alive he'd be an edgy kid in williamsburg
>conversation continues until we're talking about the state of modern fiction
>keep thinking in my head that this can't fucking be happening
>friend looks dejected.
>Conversation which has now shifted to political organisation and economics only ends as I make up a reason to go after receiving a text from my friend saying "WTF?"
>as I leave I hear her say to my friend "Sorry about that. it's just so hard to find someone you can talk to, you know"
Should I feel bad?
People can and will deride me, because they themselves are the worthless pieces of shit that I'm talking about. If they could only think an inch past their own noses, then maybe they could grow and get somewhere. But instead they will remain confident in their own idiocy and reinforce everything that holds them back.
If you're reading this, keep at it, friend. Frustrating as it is sometimes, all in all, it's a pleasure being me.
Here's my perspective anon. I agree with you about it all. People, generally speaking, are shit.
But I will also say that most of them were never given the opportunity to become better. It's pointless to hold a negative opinion of an objective fact. Don't hold any opinion about it, it just is. People become a lot more tolerable when you stop expecting anything from them.
>for what it's worth i liked the new star wars enough that i went and saw it again, i think it's a pretty decent film and would recommend i
>i say i've never read john green and only read one harry potter book
you should try it, you'll like it
to this poster and to all of lit,
when people act shocked that you haven't read Harry Potter or whatever else like it, they're just engaging in some light banter. No one is shocked that you haven't read something, go jack off somewhere else.
I used to get furious at all the woman hate on this site, but after a while I realized half of you are trolling and the other half are lost causes who aren't interested in serious discussion anyway. Nowadays I either ignore it or join in.
no one i know reads it's depressing
there's this one guy who's a really loud atheist so i thought i could go shit talk richard dawkins since he worships him but it turns out he's never read any of his books
i asked him what he read and apparently he's never read a book outside of school
we don't even get book assignments here he's literally just read schoolbooks
>she makes a joke about what a hipster voltaire is and how if he were alive he'd be an edgy kid in williamsburg
>We both relate our superficial readings of a genius to vulgar concepts limited to our own very particular zeitgeist and locale
You'd make terrible babies.
>The people I hate the most are apologists who try to act like everyone is of equal intelligence and each person has their own unique insights on the world.
They still serve as inspiration to those who do. How many great works have been created by thinkers living with and paying attention to common folk? Endless amounts.
You just sound like a little cunt with a superiority complex.
if things like this don't happen to you, you need to know more people. there's more to appreciating art than sitting at home with a book. you can also talk about it with others, and when you do this with the opposite sex (or whatever your preference), they generally want to have sex with you
except that in reality only the guy sitting in the back would be thinking that, the guy standing up would be "man can't wait to go to the club tonight and fuck a slut", the guy with the briefcase would be like "Fuck I need to be more productive or I'll get fired" the guy in the back: "The game tonight was sooo cool" and the girl: "wish I was uploading hundreds of pics of myself in facebook right now"
Man I always feel completely fucking terrible around real people outside of 4chan and friends who go on 4chan because, while I have delved into the depths of literature, film, and music, my favorites in each medium tend to hover closer to the safer /lit/- and /mu/-core tastes (obviously I don't share the generic /tv/-core taste in film, accordingly). The issue is, even having such middle-of-the-road interests, I am still far more knowledgeable in these fields than all 'normies' I have spoken to. For example, I have never met anyone who has heard of Pynchon who does not also occasionally browse /lit/. Specifically, I have never met anyone in my uni's English program who has heard of Pynchon, aside from a film professor who knew of the man but hadn't read any of his shit. Interestingly, at least two people have heard of DFW. I am generally of the mind that no one else in the English program here actually reads outside of class materials, and if they do, it's just pop-fiction, YA shit. At this point, I don't even crave deep, intellectual conversation, just a basic exchange of namedroppings would suffice!
>being this much of a triggered faggot over it
what they want and what they are drawn to are often two very different things. have you been living in white knight ignorance this whole time?
It's true, but I do attend a shitty no-name uni in Florida. I did formerly attend a bigger-name school, but I left before I changed my major to English, so I'm not sure how well I could have had it, had I stayed there. I do know that former school had a class on 'Post-WW2 Lit' which mentioned Pynchon in the class description, so obviously people would be aware of him through that class.
Actually, now that I recall, there was one girl who mentioned Pynchon by name, and I think I momentarily forgot her because she's less attractive than I would have preferred, and I am a bad person.
>I don't mind too much, as I don't really discuss literature in real life. It's a brute cost-benefit thing. If I talk about good literature I'm either deemed a pretentious try-hard, which is shitty, or people will think it's great and cultured and my literary pursuits will be tainted by vanity
exactly this. there are two people I talk about literature with. other than them, I only talk to my professors about lit. that's the way it's supposed to be and I'm fairly content with it.
>I'm emotionally insecure
>But I'm proud of it!
wow man congrats on cucking all these men I bet youre a real buff alpha dude with a three foot shlong. have some validation, I know you need it desperately.
>I've never met a woman whose whole personality wasn't just a patchwork of traits appropriated from guys who've stuck their dick in her in the past.
so what about virgins? are they just literal empty shells that don't talk, don't move, don't breathe and don't think?
I've fucked two virgins and both of them had more "personality" than your sorry ass will ever have. your theory is bullshit.
go back to your frogboard you cuck.
fuck off with your memes, man. who cares if beauty and intelligence correlate? who cares if beautiful girls are often vain and/or superficial? it doesn't matter one fucking bit - all that matters is the individual. there's beautiful girls dumb as a brick and beautiful girls with the weirdest fucking interests you could ever imagine.
youll be fine. I thought the exact same thing back then. was tired of women. still have never kissed a boy, even though I've always considered men as "sexually attractive", still fiend over girls even though I'm in a relationship.
life is weird.
I was in that situation once, did not do it. to be honest with you though I kind of regret it, the girl was fucking perfect.
Why would you assume that someone who spends a lot of time reading has read -any- specific author? Even if we only include English language authors, and even if we narrow the field further by only including ones famous enough to (say) have a Wikipedia page, I'm pretty sure there would still be thousands of times more books out there than you could read in a lifetime.
Eg I read quite a bit, but if someone asked my opinion on John Grisham I wouldn't have one as I haven't read him. And the name Nicholas Sparks rings only the faintest of bells. Why are you surprised that it works the other way too?
Man, you /lit/ fags really suck
>multiple people literally, unironically claiming that only they have interesting inner lives or anything worthwhile to say
Why can't you just admit that you find it difficult to talk to people who don't share your interests? I would think that, being such intellectual titans, you would realize that making value judgments about the relative worth of your hobby vs other people's is fucking retarded.
The general problem with /lit/izens is that they cannot see beyond their own little canon, which is both embarrassing and sad.
Maybe the girl in the OP named precisely these two authors because the other ones she reads are much less known? Maybe she actually loves Arno Schmidt and read Homer in ancient Greek? Of course the chances are low, but the problem is that people on here don't give anyone the benefit of the doubt.
but my own empirical experience has evidenced to me that spending time reading is more valuable than spending time playing a video game; as such i have no qualms making value judgments about my own hobby versus that other hobby, and by extension, about the people who indulge in each.