What did Zizek mean by this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnd Xr-oQxxA

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Political correctness is a subtle form of social control.

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>tfw Zizek attempts to construct a coherent moral worldview from the perverse scribblings of betafags and fedora tippers

>>7565437
/r/KotakuInAction, the YouTube video

>>7565437

Which part specifically, the video is pretty self-explanatory.

by dangerous he means invasive, thinking without freedom kind

not violence end of all things kind

>>7565437
yet another middle aged white dude complaining about muh political corectness gone madd and shit. It means he's afraid of a time where he will no longer able to shit on the rest of society like he's used too. Zizek is much like the archetypal brocialist redditor plus loads of meaningless lacanian jargon.

>>7565806
I honestly can't tell if these posts are for real or not anymore.

Why does he talk like that? Why is he constantly touching his nose?

>>7565816
protip: they aren't

It means he wants a white Europe with no muslim immigrants but can't say it.

Most people who are left wing and come up with these philosophical excuses for opposing politically correctness really just don't want immigrants and don't want to deal with feminist bullshit, that simple, but they can't say it so contrive better sounding reasons.

>>7565437
>I'd rather have a person poison me than accidentally infect me with a handshake
All this rape me upfront shit is so tired and dumb.

>>7565816
>I honestly can't tell if these posts are for real or not anymore.
they are hyperreal. much like the stormfag memes and the catholic LARPers

>>7565821

he gets the itch from his opiate addiction

>>7565932
the itch is a bitch

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'Political correctness' simply consists of empathy and not being a dick.

>>7565843
Zizek is a racist?

4/10 made me reply

>>7565968
>dick
>implying that there is anything inherently bad about male genitalia
>implying PC is anything other than intellectual totalitarianism and total AIDS and cancer.

>>7565437
The issue with political correctness is that it creates a barrier of formality between groups, and counter intuitively drives them apart. His example with the black people allowing him to say "nigga" is perfect; when another race hangs out with a group of blacks, they are implicitly forbidden from using "nigga." Not only is there an awkward, unspoken understanding of this limitation, but the word "nigga" operates the same way "dude" does for white guys: its an expression whose meaning is decided by voice inflection and gestures.

In general, suffering and bad shit is far more intimate than stiff politeness, and all the rules of political correctness puts people on edge and prevents them from being authentic.

>>7566006
dude & nigga using voice inflection + gesture makes you more emotive, authentic, at ease. Pretty much all male groups use catch phrases or words like this as a form of bonding

>>7566006
Zizek says nigga alot. He mentions some black men in a bookstore said he was cool enough to say it.

>>7565968
Not all people are deserving of empathy and respect. To say otherwise is self destructive

>>7565992
he's right tbqh
Zizek is crypto right and Islam killed the left

*sniff*
What did he mean by this?

>>7565968

Nut up and you don't have to worry about people being dicks.

You don't even need a faggy flowchart.

>>7566068
Shorthand for "and so on"

>mfw Zizek fans confirmed for /v/fags
>>>/v/323399892

>>7566108
Calling someone a dick is such an empty and moralistic criticism, but it does expose the leftist position. "My politics are the anti-establishment, yet I am the arbiter of morality," sounds silly, but that is where they stand.

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>>7566040
>there are people that actually think this

Does this dude do cocaine? Nigga seems hella yiffed nahhymsayong.

>>7566180
screencap it my dude

>>7566245
Do you post this in every thread where Zizek is mentioned?

>>7565437
political correctness is just a contemporary kind of slave morals.

>>7566256
no lots of people accuse Zizek of being right
a lot of it is unfair though

>>7566263
I see some guy saying it in a very similar manner and telling others to screencap it in nearly every thread about him.

I've been on here so long that I'm starting to recognize posters. It might be time for me to take a break.

>>7566268
I've said that maybe twice but it wasn't my original idea

i think he is a professional troll who doesn't believe the things he says or writes.

>>7565806
This is true, but he does sometimes come up with some interesting lectures (his one on charity was very good). He does give the impression that he's a show of the times he grew up in though.

>>7566556
I've yet to hear any convincing argument why 'political correctness' might be a bad thing. I think it's not even a thing, it's just a growing consideration for the feelings of other people and cultures. But some people (mostly white dudes) feel really threatened by that and it's really sad.

He meant that he was 100% right.

>>7565992
probably not, but he's probably aware of how bad mass third world immigration into europe is. he's not quite orthodox and timid enough to blind himself to it.

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>>7566022
>Not all people are deserving of empathy and respect. To say otherwise is self destructive

>>7565437
back to /pol/!

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>>7565968
>>7567733
This goes a bit beyond "not being a dick"

>>7567931
I see nothing wrong with that chart. What's wrong with empathy and taking into account the subtle effects our words have on others? The cumulative effect of microagressions has been demonstrated by multiple researchers. individually their impact is negligible, but eventually they contribute to a system which alienates marginalised people and makes them loose pride in their culture and identity.

In a perspicuous short essay on civility, Robert Pippin elaborated the enigmatic in-between-status of this notion which designates all the acts that display the basic subjective attitude of respect for others as free and autonomous agents, equal to us, the benevolent attitude of making the step over the strict utilitarian or "rational" calculation of costs and benefits in relations to others, of trusting them, trying not to humiliate them, etc. Although, measured by the degree of its obligatory character, civility is more than kindness or generosity (one cannot oblige people to be generous), it is distinctly less than a moral or legal obligation. This is what is wrong in Politically Correct attempts to moralize or even directly penalize modes of behaviour which basically pertain to civility (like hurting others with vulgar obscenities of speech, etc.): they potentially undermine the precious "middle ground" of civility. In more Hegelian terms, what gets lost in the penalization of un-civility is "ethical substance" as such: in contrast to laws and explicit normative regulations, civility is by definition "substantial," something experienced as always-already given, never imposed/instituted as such. Pippin is right to link the crucial role of civility in modern societies to the rise of the autonomous free individual - not only in the sense that civility is a practice of treating others as equal, free and autonomous subjects, but in a much more refined way: the fragile web of civility is the "social substance" of free independent individuals, it is their very mode of (inter)dependence. If this substance disintegrates, the space of individual freedom is foreclosed.
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It is the underlying equation of intellectual critique with physical terrorist attacks which brutally violates the Western European Leitkultur, which insists on the universal sphere of the “public use of reason,” where one can criticize and problematize everything [...]

Civility is crucial here: multicultural freedom also functions only when it is sustained by the rules of civility, which are never abstract, but always embedded in a Leitkultur.
[...]Freedom of speech functions when all parties follow the same unwritten rules of civility telling us what kind of attacks are improper, although they are not legally prohibited; civility tells us which features of a specific ethnic or religious “way of life” are acceptable and which are not acceptable. If all sides do not share or respect the same civility, then multiculturalism turns into legally regulated mutual ignorance or hatred.

>>7567967
let's look at one section -- assumption of criminality. i agree it's bad to assume an individual is a criminal based on race. but rather than focusing on the cause of criminal assumption being white racism, what about the fact that blacks for example do, in fact, commit crimes as much higher rates than whites? the result of this is especially unfortunate for the majority of non-criminal blacks.

and the other statement "i believe the most qualified person should get the job" -- well, why not? where is the "justice" in a middle class black getting preferential treatment compared to a poor white, which does happen in cases of college admissions.

and further what is wrong with acculturating? it's good.

>>7568011
>what about the fact that blacks for example do, in fact, commit crimes as much higher rates than whites?

And why might that be? Can it have anything to do with the fact that black people have been economically and emotionally marginalized for centuries? I think there's a lot that needs fixing, but the first step lies in empowering folks, promoting a sense of radical self-acceptance.

>>7568094
the first and only step is the empower the whole working class so they have dignified, secure and well paying jobs. that should take care of most of it, then we'll have to see if black criminality remains disproportionate. rather than meaningless postmodern race theory mumbo jumbo.

areas of high white poverty don't have the crime and violence problems black areas have, though they do tend to be more sparsely populated. it seems a stretch to me that that should be such a mitigating factor and you see in the results.

>>7568094

not sure if reddit, or you actually believe this.

>>7565843
But he's both pro-refugee and feminist

>>7567800
Such a company compelling argument. Why are people who are incapable or unwilling to participate in civil society deserving of such consideration? Why should we do such a thing when their participation is harmful to society as a whole? There should be a dichotomy separating people and humans. The former, do to their ability to participate in civil society, should be deserving be deserving of those feelings. The latter should be those of our sspecies that are undeserving.

>>7567733
I'd agree with you if those that promoted such a thing did not constantly misinterpret their feelings and resort to mental gymnastics to make up for it.

Alasdair Macintyre did it better.

If you want a basic introduction to Zizek read the Sublime Object. It's very lucid, especially for cont. philosophy, and he basically holds your hand through all the lacanian stuff. Anyone who pegs Zizek as an obscurantist has probably only seen his ramblings on youtube. And without a grasp of his underlying theory, or of lacan and freud, all of his talks and essays inevitably appear as nonsense.

Anyways, besides his own analysis of political correctness from a lacanian perspective (outlined by the poster above), he mentions in passing another argument here, which used to be quite common among the new left but seems to be lost on millennials when they talk about PC. That argument is basically that political correctness is a form of "self-discipline" which does little to nothing to alleviate the material conditions faced by the oppressed, but provides the politically correct individual with a sense of virtue, assuages their guilt, etc. In this sense it is similar to recycling or so-called ethical consumerism. It is a kind of active participation, perhaps even a ritual, which can be carried out in everyday interactions, and whose main function is to provide a reliable source of contentment for the participant. In this sense it is a sort of false praxis which obscures the subjects view and draws attention away from more meaningful, effective solutions to the problem, essentially making them believe that they've "done their part" and so they can quit worrying about the issue.

I've also heard Zizek mention Wendy Brown's book on tolerance, which is a very interesting read. She traces the genealogy of the multicultural discourse of tolerance back to the church during the reformation, when they decided to stop killing heretics, and show how this religious character informs the discourse of tolerance, in the sense that tolerance is enacted as a sort of religious virtue which provides spiritual consolation for the tolerating individual. At the time she was writing about a left which hadn't fully embraced identity politics, but it does seem that the critique applies just as well to contemporary discussions of race, sex, etc. But what is very interesting about the book is the sense you get of how completely our culture's religious past has informed our apparently secular culture today, even and especially if we so constantly disown it.

>>7568011
blacks are arrested at much higher rates than whites, research shows that race has little to do with actually committing crimes though. crime is much more correlated with age and socioeconomic status. so while numbers seem to indicate that blacks COMMIT more crime, in reality they are simply arrested at higher rates for the crimes they do commit

>>7568094
>but the first step lies in empowering folks, promoting a sense of radical self-acceptance.
what is this, some sort of reverse-Marxism? you think you can introduce an ideology and just watch it magically restructure material reality? That's absurd.

black and minorities are suffering in America from actual material conditions. the only people who care about microagressions are the rich, privileged minorities who've never dealt with being poor and living in the ghetto. seriously, take a trip to some inner city school some time and tell me if you still think it's reasonable for some asshole whose dad is paying their $25,000 tuition to complain about people asking where she's from.

>>7568132
>muh aridtoddle!

>>7568167
>>7568121

material conditions are in many cases the product of racialised power structures, in which microaggressions play an important part. Marxism failed because it ignored culture and personal empowerment, among other crucial aspects of human nature. In the worst of cases such reductionist socialist movements, from the old left leninists to Sen. sanders campaign, amount to identity politics for an (implicitly white) working class.

>>7568128
But he seems okay with having expectations for the refugees. The rest of the left considers that oppressive.

>>7568326
>material conditions are in many cases the product of racialised power structures,

genuinely not being a dick here, I promise, but have you read much theory about this stuff or did you just post that because it sounded nice and it seems to support your beliefs?

I ask because the phrase "racialized power structures" is pretty much meaningless, used out of context like that. It tells us nothing besides the fact that racist structures exist, which everyone (political theorists, sane social commentators, etc.) agrees up. The relevant question you need to answer is what constitutes that structure.

For example, the traditional, orthodox Marxist would argue that racist power structures are reducible to material conditions, in the form of class antagonisms. More precisely that racial antagonism is displaced class antagonism, like class warfare in the formal guise of race war.

Conversely, a radical feminist would argue that racist power structures are reducible to gender inequality, in the sense that power is always essentially gendered, with the powerful playing the role of masculine, the powerless as feminine, etc., and thus that racial tension is at root tension between genders.

You seem to be of the opinion that racist structures are constituted, at least in significant part, by "culture and personal empowerment" (I take you mean empowerment in the form of identity?). Again, unless you content that racial power structures are reducible to culture and identity, which I don't take it you do, and which would be a rather absurd proposition (as if antisemitism was due to the low cultural self-esteem of Jews, etc.), your statement doesn't really tell us much beyond what is already agreed upon by everyone, what with the orthodox Marxists having passed away, and the radical feminists having become extremely marginal. Everyone today pretty much agrees that matters of culture and identity are "some part" of racist power structures, and spend their time arguing which part that might be, and how it relates to all the other parts. This is the question you need to be asking here.

> Marxism failed because it ignored culture and personal empowerment, among other crucial aspects of human nature. In the worst of cases such reductionist socialist movements, from the old left leninists to Sen. sanders campaign, amount to identity politics for an (implicitly white) working class.

Again, I'm not trying to be a dick, but I have to wonder if you know what these words mean. The Marxism which most obviously didn't ignore culture was Maoism, so the historical argument doesn't get off the ground. But more than that it's extremely sloppy to speculate about how and why a huge, diverse political movement failed, unless you have a very strong historical grasp on the matter. Even historians of the USSR and China don't come close to agreeing on these things, so it's really best not to speculate if you want to be taken seriously.

>>7567733
Political correctness brings a wall between people that in a backwards way prevents them from talking about their cultural backgrounds. Because of the strange assumptions liberal white people bring to the table about other's cultures and the imaginary landmines they try to avoid they end up talking in a stilted way with other races, promoting casual segregation.

Honestly I know so many white people who are so unwilling to just talk shit with a person from a different culture(this IS more a question of culture than race in my opinion) that they lose out on potential friends.

>>7567972
So what then would determine what could be considered as civil and what would be hate-speech?
Giving such power to a small group would obviously give them leverage in whatever political or social goals they have.
Giving the responsibility to the people means its unlikely in resulting in a clear distinction between the two, as most people aren't qualified to make any political decision

>>7568560
>onestly I know so many white people who are so unwilling to just talk shit with a person from a different culture

This is not for white people.

I could not care less about white people being forced to be slightly awkward around others. This is for the queers and POC who feel unsafe and alienated, this is for people with mental illnesses who suffer from stigma and for the girls and women who feel compelled to starve themselves to death in pursuit of unreachable standards. This too, is for the young black man shot by the cops for daring to go about his daily life.

folks. are. dying. out. there.

Because of these structures put in place hundreds or thousands of years ago, structures perpetuated by subtle stereotypes and seemingly innocent actions. For you ''Political Correctness'' is a nuisance, for many its their first time they are acknowledged as human.

>>7565968
This narrative holds true until someone is deemed a 'fair target,' in which case anything goes in terms of tactics to silence and diminish them.

Racial Realism up in here. Look up uncucktheright and learn folks.

>>7568559
Not the guy, but thanks for the good input. So refreshing on 4chan

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>>7571054

>>7571218
As dumb as race reality is, it's preferable to this (>>7570467) hysteria.

>>7570467
if you need my pity to feel like a human you must be worth even less than i thought

>>7567733
>disagree with me
>hurr u threatened

>>7568326
looking to be a roi negre, mon ami?

>>7570467
Fucking kek
This is probably a troll, but I've heard this a few times irl. Paranoiac nonsense

>>7571272
i was trolling
the periods triggered you, right?

>>7571275
Nah they actually gave it away
>folks
Read that shit in Obama's voice

>>7565806
slavs aren't white though you fucking racist

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>>7571285
>slavs
>not white

>>7571257
What does not even mean to be "acknowledged as human?" Plenty of those seen as human have been treated poorly throughout time. He's giving a nonexistent social significance to being born with a certain amount of chromosomes, and it doesn't really make sense.

>>7571275
If im being honest, be honest, the use of the word folks got me.

>>7571281
i was trolling there, that actually wasn't me
so i just triggered you
you feel me, family?

>>7571289
>If im being honest, be honest, the use of the word folks got me.
It triggered me so much that I couldn't even type a coherent statement.

>>7571287
historically they were never considered white, much like the Irish

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>>7571296
you're being shallow and pedantic

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>>7571305
>irish
>not white

>>7571308
Celts are the niggers of europe.
And the Irish are supercelts.

>>7568011
This chart seems racist. What white culture finds "criminal" may not be so for black people. Criminality is a cultural trait such as communication style.

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>>7571323
>using derogatory words on /lit/

>>7571326
Trying too hard tbqh
Be more subtle or forever remain a low-tier baiter

>>7571335
I am not trolling. Calling some behavior "criminal" is just imposing morality. Maybe those young criminal blacks and muslims are just what we need to shake up pervasive neuroticism.

>>7568559
Eagerly awaiting a response to this
>Almost a substantial theory discussion on /lit/

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>>7568094
>black people rape because they're poor
>black people murder because we "marginalized their feelings"
Most poor people in America are white but most criminals in America are black.

>>7567800
>attack their character because they said something you don't like

Back to Reddit with you.

>>7567733
Conversely, why is political correctness a good thing?

"Political correct" is such a shit buzzword.

>>7567733
You're painting political correctness as human emotion and empathy like a red herring, and then using emotions to weigh down on your opponent. That's an asshole tactic.

>>7571602
What does it mean to you, Poindexter?

>>7571427
Most criminals in America are white, but a higher *percentage* of blacks are criminals than whites. Whites still commit the majority of crimes in America, but that's because blacks are only 13% of the population. Blacks are also more likely to commit violent crimes than whites.

Please don't make us look mathematically illiterate, anon. It's not good for the movement.

>>7565497
This isn't Reddit. This is a thread discussing Zizek.

Go back to Reddit and complain there, where they'll listen.

>>7571575
>>Shitty grammar
Back to reddit with you as well.

>>7565437
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbJABjVH-0k

>>7565445
An increasingly un-subtle form of social control

>>7568094
it's mostly genetics if we're being honest

>>7565437
I think he meant "and scho on *schniff*"

Ze political correctness iz *sniff* ideology *sniff* Hegel *sniff*

>>7565437

They embraced me and immediately told me *sniff* you can call me nigger

>>7566258
/thread

>>7571323
It was Fred Douglass who said the Irish were the niggers of europe.