Conservative Writing

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"Ooga Booga, where them colored girls at so I can rape them" -Ezra Pound.

Only cucks like the conservative meme

>>7558832

Redditor cuck detected.

>>7558889
Redditors are a lot more likely to be the edgeposters on 4chan, 2bh.

>>7558903
Can you recommend a contemporary conservative who writes literature and not political theory?

>>7558932
Reply was accedental

>>7558826
found this on a thread yesterday:

Gender and heteronormativity are social constructs, but they are worth fighting for. They give our lives order and meaning, they ensure the very continuation of the species. Gender constructs are a positive, logical, and spiritually fulfilling alternative to the life-denying discourse of 'queer' identity politics, which are ultimately based on the glorification of suffering and victimhood. They are predicated on an erroneous concept of freedom which only succeeds in further dehumanising and isolating people. This is why tradition matters, this is why rituals and institutions matter.They create the framework which gives sense to our existence. without them, there is only nihilism.

Edmund Burke

Just go read Moldbug's blog and become as utterly insane as he is.

>>7558903
>the mde subreddit
yeah you got that right. i love mde but those are some of the edgiest faggots in the universe

>>7558962
>Gender and heteronormativity are social constructs

But that is undeniable incorrect..

>>7558962
> the very continuation of the species
Call me an edgelord, but you're going to have to convince me that this is important in and of itself
> based on the glorification of suffering and victimhood
This is either a very self serving definition, or general enough to be applied to all modern political discourse
> They are predicated on an erroneous concept of freedom which only succeeds in further dehumanising and isolating people
You're gonna have to explain what's meant by this
>They create the framework which gives sense to our existence. without them
This is a really absurdist idea coming from a guy who was just talking about spiritual fulfillment

The only real problem with identity politics IMO is that they're defined too narrowly to promote any kind of human solidarity, but I don't think we've ever had that before, and as a result think very lowly of Traditionalism

>>7559170
>This is a really absurdist idea coming from a guy who was just talking about spiritual fulfillment
I believe in the power of faith as the only means to overcome absurdity. Rationality is ultimately incapable of giving us meaning and purpose, thus we must embrace irrationality. I am against the nihilistic idea that humans are merely pleasure-seeking machines, isolated selfish individuals. Our society is based around the pursuit of this ideal fostered by narcissistic be-yourself propaganda.

This system is far from 'neutral' or 'liberal' but instead promotes a self-destructive totalitarian ideology. Why not choose life, health, order, instead? The appeal of Islamism for example, is based on it being a positive alternative to nihilistic western society

>>7558826
Ezra Pound

>>7558832
I'm pretty left wing but I like reading conservatives because there's nothing worse than placing yourself in an intellectual echo chamber

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Edmund Burke and Michael Oakeshott are the two great conservative authors. It is in them that conservatism finds its true identity as a kind of sentimental nomocratic classical liberalism, based on a supreme scepticism about human projects and a great fondness of the untidy but ultimately effective institutions and customs we were blessed enough to inherit.

In Burke the hatred of theory is a central part of the DNA of the text, embedded into it by its basic structure as polemic rather than treatise. In Oakeshott, philosophy is more fully elaborated but always with a wise awareness of the central paradox.

The next tier would include Schmitt and Hayek, who deviate in authoritatian and liberal directions respectively and are both too interested in theory. Both are also absolutely essential thinkers though (Schmitt in particular).

It might also be interesting to think of great fiction authors with a conservative bent too. I think John Wyndham's comfortable, middle class science-fiction fables are very conservative. The Day of the Triffids and The Kraken Wakes are stunning tales that stress the fragility of human civilisation and the folly of technocratic scientism.

In the cinema I think John Ford is the exemplar of the conservative spirit, with its concern for familiarity and loyalty, despite being a New Deal Democrat in the 1930s.

I'm currently returning to the Greeks and I am particularly excited to study Aristophanes. Do we have any thoughts about this great genius of comedy as a conservative thinker?

>>7559492
While I agree to an extent with your view of modern society, I don't think that nihilist ideas become inherently hedonistic or narcissistic. When it's left to the individual to make their own way, what they choose to do with that is, I believe, a product of their circumstances and upbringing. Certainly consumer societies teach us that unrestrained decadence and consumption will make us happier, but it needn't be the case. A person could certainly feel that they could become happiest by teaching, or caring for others ect. It's not like every existentialist philosopher was hitting up their local brothel or drug den every day of the week.

James Burnham one of the founding contributors to National Review.

Those influenced by him include
George Orwell, Samuel T Francis ,Paul Gottfried and James Kalb.

They are all worth reading.

There aren't more than a small handful worth reading but one of them is Schumpeter

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>man things should only change slowly, I-I don't like it when they change fast
>embrace capitalism, the most chaotic and dynamic economic force in history
>???
Wait this is changing fast!
>nevertheless continue to whinge about change forever.

There. I just saved you hundreds of hours of reading nothing but emotive whining.

>>7558826
thomas sowell

Check out Eric Voegelin, OP

>>7559509
Reading conservatives is mostly like reading your strawman made book. It can be entertaining but helps nothing with your echochamber isolation.

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>>7560772
The conservative is not a nostalgic dreamer of a canceled past, but rather a seeker of sacred shades upon eternal hills.

>>7560772
When do conservatives complain about market innovation? We complain about blue-haired dykes telling us that raising children is racist and we need to hand our homes over to refugees who don't speak English.

Nicolas Gomez Davila

https://mobile.twitter.com/DColacho

De Maistre is a fantastic writer.

>>7559108
Moldbug isn't a conservative though

>>7558826
I really really like Theodore Dalrymple

>>7563027
What is he?

>>7558826
Read Evola for the best real conservative writing and philosophical defense of conservatism.
ACTUALLY read through all of Ludovici's work because I know you haven't.

Heidegger was also conservative in a sense that I really admire. #peasantlife

>>7563078
A meme tier jew obsessed with creating a utopia for himself to rule over

>ctrl+f chesterton
>0 results

Sharp and a fantastic writer to boot. Also he converted to the correct religion.

>>7563081
Actually, I think I've read just about everything he has written. Such a profound writer. His analytical capacity and systematic method nears Aristotle, in my view.

Anthony Ludovici is truly extraordinary - and highly underrated.

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B O W D E N

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>>7558826
>tfw unironically becoming a literal neocon and loving it

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Reading the letters between Kojève and Schmitt

Good thread. Bump!

>>7563381
How neatly does Schmitt BTFO that old commie bastard?

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>>7563519
Schmitt is twenty years Kojève's elder, and Kojève is reverent towards him.

Is there a conservative equivalent to the fedora? If so, this thread deserves a shipload full of it.

>>7563571
Conservatism isn't totally pathetic like atheism so we don't have any embarrassing totems.

Maybe I tip my semi-automatic assault rifle at you, m'lady?

>>7563595
Why do you murricans always equate conservatism with muh gunz? Carrying a weapon is a republican (in the original meaning of that word) meme; it designated the carrier as a citizen and part of the republic's army (in which service was compulsory).

But what does that have to do with conservatism? Republics have always been birthplaces of liberalism, they were founded by merchants and other commoners, they were driven by the accumulation of wealth produced elsewhere, and they understood themselves as opposed to the traditional rule of monarchs.

>>7563621
Conservatism isn't the same thing as reactionary gibberish ie >muh filmer

I'm not actually an American, I'm a Brit who mourns the loss of our rights as subjects to arm ourselves as established in the Bill of Rights of 1688. Constitutional patriotism is an obligation for any true conservative.

>>7558932
For real, does anyone know some good, contemporary conservative fiction?

>>7563675
>Conservatism isn't the same thing as reactionary gibberish
the majority in this thread seems to hold a different opinion

>>7561732
>We complain about blue-haired dykes telling us that raising children is racist and we need to hand our homes over to refugees who don't speak English.
And any analyst worth shit could explain the role of market forces in creating all those things.
You can't always have your cake and eat it too

>>7563837
Not him, but I think that there should be no conservatives in this time. There is not a lot of things worthy of conservation. We have to be reactionaries first, restore the good things and only then conserve. We don't have the luxury of comfortable conservativism anymore, the current flowing to the left is too strong (todays conservatives being yesterdays progressivists etc.). First we have to stop the current.

is it just me or do the mpc/altright-reading young adult "conservative" crowd write unbearably pompously

>>7564059
i donno if dey do

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The particular flavor of conservatism that is all JESUS and MURRICA but also worships capitalism and tongues the assholes of billionaires is hilarious and politically indefensible. This fucking thread is Jerry Falwell tier. Any Liberty University alums here? pathetic.

>>7564151
true
source: am conservative but think big corporations are bad

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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned William F Buckley Jr yet. I'd recommend reading God and Man at Yale even if you are not conservative. He is really one of the most articulate and impressive rhetoricians in American history

>>7564027
Don't worry about the left. The whole "privilege" narrative that so consumes it was created by the CIA in order to make left-wing discourse the petty squabble-fest we see today.

>>7558831
dafuq son

>>7564189
Firing line was an amazing show. Now we have cable news.

>>7564151
Conservatism has been distorted both in Europe and America. Returning to traditionalist conservatism that places emphasis on society and generally laissez-faire attitude would be well. But all we have is UKIP and the Tea Party, both equally deplorable with redeeming factors here and there. The Conservative Party here pushing an essentially social democrat program.

>>7564059
yes, though not as bad as the progressives.

conservatives tend to be better as commentators than systematizing philosophers. when they try the latter they can get into embarrassing conspiracy theories and reveal their ignorance of a lot of facts. but as commentators they can be incisive and valuable -- steve sailer is an example of a great conservative commentator.

>>7564189
i've never read him but he really did look awful in that famous debate v. chomsky.

>>7563914

>implying we live in a truly pure capitalist society

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>>7564330

Are you one of those "capitalism is responsible for everything good in the world but we've never had REAL capitalism" people? Is that still a thing?

>>7563914
>And any analyst worth shit could explain the role of market forces in creating all those things.
Please do then.

>>7564355
Are you one of those we've never had REAL communisn people? Is that still a thing?

>>7564355
Great strat Marx. Ridicule your opponent.

Conservative: believe in the Fall, but don't believe in Redemption.
Liberal: don't believe in the Fall, but do believe in Redemption.

Heretics baka

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>>7564851
>>7564860
Ancap detected.

>>7564919
Uh
What?
No...?
If you're going to argue like this, go to /leftypol/

>>7564915
Expand? I'm interested.

>>7558826
Nietzsche is notoriously difficult to classify politically, but I think his affinities lie more with the right wing than the left.

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>>7563030
My favorite of his, desu

>>7565022
I think his approach to ethics kind of precludes either the mainstream Right or Left from accepting him.

>>7565045
Eh, it gets so tricky. I'm mainly thinking of his explicit support for inequality and the value of having an aristocratic class (where "class" is interpreted very broadly), which seems to go quite well with right wing ideology, and would be anathema to leftists.

I appreciate threads like this.

>>7564915
Conservatives believe in redemption, we just don't believe it's for this world. Liberals are heretics who believe in the perfectability of human nature in the here and now - a total farce!

Ludovici