>>4990442 I heard Nausea by Jean-Paul Sartre actually makes you nauseous, or at least very depressed. One guy said he stopped reading halfway through because he didn't want to have his mood ruined by the book.
I haven't read it though, so this probably is a shitty recommendation.
>>4990471 I want something like this too. But maybe what destroys one isn't what destroys another person, idk. I tried many writers, including Cioran and what France has made of most depressing. I haven't tried Flaubert yet, but it's on my list and I'll start as soon as I'm done with Kafka. I have good hope Madame Bovary will make me cry like a baby.
>>4990484 For me it goes even beyond depression. Depression is a temporary condition, an emotional state. I want something that challenges my permanent conception of the world, dismantles it.
I didn't mention Bernhard because the OP specifically asked for nonfiction, but I've found Bernhard's novels to be about as pessimistic and misanthropic as you can get. And yet they are also strangely life-affirming.
>>4990540 >my permanent conception of the world, dismantles it But you create your own meaning - so are you dismantling your current meaning only to build a new one? Are you deconstructing your meaning in order to insanify yourself or fall upon your own blade?
Or do you take a voyeurs pleasing in watching an author demolish the meaning others have created for themselves? Like the gangly whip who hides behind the tree and watches a bully take lunch money from the nip twins and fondles his anus throughout?
>>4990640 Precisely why looking for "depressing" literature is counter-productive. Better to find something that makes you see the world in a way that allows you to overcome depression and melancholy. Even though it's counter-intuitive, nihilism and pessimism help one live one's life. It's easier not to get hung up on the little things when life is malignantly useless and meaningless.
> stirner. logical, sharp. destruction of ideas behind the feelings, not melancholy at all. >notes from underground. fiction, autotorture guy. pretty destructive ideas. too literarian. >kierkegaard fear and trembling. people from false believers to too desperate of believe to properly believe. it was shocked me long ago, but i think is bullshit now. i didnt read much but this three were the marked me more. anyway, is important what you actually believe to choose what can make you trembling inside.
Dostoevsky's works are full of misery 1984 is pretty depressing, it hasn't aged well though as it's lost it's contemporary social relevance to some degree following the Cold War (or maybe it has, it depends on your outlook) Frankenstein also doesn't end well you might also try existentialist literature (google is your friend) [Waiting for Godot or Nausea]
>>4990460 Nausea doesn't end in a bleak way really (Sartre seems to fall in line with the whole Nietzschean aesthetic affirmation of life) and it's whole "boohoo I exist" crisis is a really laughable when read after a better existential analytic like Heidegger's.
I'd go with The Woman in the Dunes by Abe. Very strange, unsettling novel.
>>4990471 Where do you get your hands on Cioran's book? I've been trying for ages to get a Kindle version of that, can't find it anywhere.
>>4991991 My personal favorite was the "potato peeler" piece.
OP, it's not bleak in a philosophical sense but Hogg by Robert Delany made me physically sick, and I am not squeamish in the least. It also depressed and fucked over my mind for a few days, could not feel happy. It raped me, that ugly piece of literature.
Written in exile and started in the bleakest years of WWII a few years after one his closest friends and intellectual peers killed himself while running from the Nazis. Definitely Adorno at his most pessimistic and only that much more devastating because you get the sense Adorno is a half-hidden optimist who really believes humanity is capable of better.
"I love the great despisers, because they are the great adorers, and arrows of longing for the other shore."
>>4992112 No problem. I just wish I could find his other stuff for Kindle. All I've been able to track down is a PDF of The Trouble With Being Born, which is unconvertible and unreadable on anything but a computer screen.
>>4990471 I find Conspiracy to be quite funny in many places. In a cynical, sardonic way, of course. Ligotti's black humor is indeed "clinical and analytical", but that is why it works. I think a lot of people miss that it is supposed to be both light-hearted and metaphysically heavy at the same time. But I guess you're just looking for stoking the fire of masochism, so I'd say Dostoevsky in a bad translation since it's miserable to read and he always brings it back to uplifting positivism at the end. That or the Twilight saga.
>>4991232 I love it, it's one of my favorite books, but I never really understood the "despairity" hype it gets. Maybe I'm just an edge master but i thought it was pretty tame. I'd still reccommend it, though, as I said, it is one of my favorites
The Road is pretty bleak, in both circumstances and in theory, until the end. But even then, it's not a kind world. I'm not sure if it qualifies since the father's love for his son is one of the driving forces of the novel, but eh, it made me sad.
>>4990471 I know what you're looking for, I haven't found it myself. Albert Caraco is more extreme but it's not what you're looking for.
Two books that made me feel more terrible than the ones you mentioned are Malaparte's La Pelle and The red laugh. Again it's not really what you're looking for but for a brief moment I felt and thought more with these than any Cioran.
(If you speak French I was recommended Jerome by Martinet as the most depressing book, unfortunately I have to wait for a translation)
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