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Pure edition

• Makeup tutorials: http://masterposter.tumblr.com/post/116605714860
• Male vs Female measurement data: https://www.bwc.ohio.gov/downloads/blankpdf/ErgoAnthropometricData.pdf
• Correct hormone levels: http://www.hemingways.org/GIDinfo/hrt_ref.htm
• Checking your levels: http://www.privatemdlabs.com/lp/Female_Hormone_Testing.php
• Transition time lines: http://imgur.com/a/qWpxv
• Voice Training: https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/1ske7b/mtf_voice_training_regimen/
http://www.genderlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/voicebook020.pdf
• Voice Help: http://webjedi.net/projects/lgbtq/speech-therapy/
• IRC: https://www.rizon.net/chat#mtfg

Previous thread >>8776622
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First for Sophie is an angel
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Please try and not be so hard on yourself today, Anon
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>>8778465
WEW
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>>8778473
So you don't even know >_>. ehhh. don't be so pessimistic
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>>8778472
can i be hard on other people instead?
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>>8778472
why do pictures of animu grils in 3d settings make me sad
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>>8778479
cuz you can't be the girl ;-;
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>>8778478
No, the world is dark and dreary enough as it is. Be nice to each other
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>>8778475
i do know. it's obvious, i'm realistic. i did hear "that's a guy" already too.
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>>8778485
oh okay

i'll just get hard on for other people in that case
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>>8778486
eh hm im sorry then ;w; i dont know how you look so
but maybe you exaggerate still, people who claim to be "realistic" are in 70% of cases just pessimists. depression makes everything that makes you feel bad feel like the "sad truth" no matter how real it is
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>After dinner
>"That group of girls at the other table were totally checking you out"
lol yeah no they were most likely just wondering why I look so weird and ugly.
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>>8778495
70% of people who say they pass don't realize that people are only nice to them when they don't call them sir.
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>>8778496
Is it the girl from the new SAO?
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RIGHT NOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!
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>>8778502
no, you yelled at me
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>>8778502
no
u can have gf tho
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>>8778479
Probably because they're too cute and pure for this tainted world - it's like looking at a picture of a baby bunny rabbit in ISIS-occupied Mosul.
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>>8778500
>only being nice
That's still good, right? If people didn't misgender trans people by default, life would be so much easier for us. Now we both have to deal with dysphoria and the fact people misgender us just doesn't help.
Also
((citation needed)) You just made up some random number to support your depressive claim, like why did you even bother doing it? You could've just said "in my opinion most trans people don't pass as cis and only get gendered correctly because people are being nice". But that way you not only made vulnerable lurkers sad, but you deluded yourself as well. It's clearly not a rational behaviour.
I live in an Eastern European country, where 90% of people don't even know how drag queens and transgender people are different and certainly wouldn't "just be nice", yet lots of my trans friends still pass.
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>>8778524
>qts
delete this
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>>8778525
oh sorry for the 90%, it's also a made-up number, but it looks realistic looking at what the mainstream media and people i talk with say.
i should've just said "most people"
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>>8778528
that's one angry catgirl(boy)
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>Look in mirror
>Urge to cry comes back
You'd think I'd be dehydrated at this point.
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>>8778528
My delete key is broken
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>tfw my right breast is a bit bigger than the other ;_;
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>>8778537
Please dont cry anon
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>>8778537
tbqh if it weren't for the fact that i dont live on my own there wouldn't be a single mirror in my house
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>>8778536
Anger is good.

>>8778539
DELET
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>>8778525
I simply used your made up number of people who are "just pessimistic"

Also I personally only care about being misgendered because it reminds me I don't pass. The not passing part is the problem, not the misgendering. I don't think it would help me if people stopped misgendering me because that doesn't fix the issue.

Also I think you underestimate how much people just want to go on with their lives and don't want to potentially pick a fight with a tranny. It's just the way of least resistance to say mam.
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>>8778547
My shitposting key on the other hand seems to be working just fine
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>>8778558
D E L E T E
E
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T
E

seriously though of all the pictures you had to use why did it have to be one of the shittiest ones I ever posted
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>>8778510

>I'd like a freshly baked 10 inch chicken and mushroom pizza, plz
>here's some blood cancer instead

Do you see the problem?
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>>8778554
>pick a fight with a tranny
As if trans women were violent people who'd beat you up. Too much Daily Mail?
>"just pessimistic"
What if they really are?
>"the not passing part is the problem, not the misgendering"
Why does not passing make you feel bad in the first place? It is partially dysphoria, but largely it's also a social thing – people don't treat you as a woman so you can't express yourself properly. If trans people weren't misgendered so much, their lifes would be easier, don't deny.
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>>8778565
donut bully transbenism : (
also mushrooms are yucky
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so does nobody know if theres a little device i can shock myself with if i have a bad thought? all i can find are dog collars
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>>8778576
what about buying one of these fake gum packs where when you pull the gum it shocks you?
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>>8778562
You look cute with a gun, and it fits the GTA aesthetic

Also, I do what I want
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>>8778574

Ok, it's not blood cancer awful. And you'd be surprised what mushrooms can do as part of an ensemble.
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>>8778576
an electrocutter or whatever they're called? or an open cable on an electronic device.
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>>8778571
I'm not talking about literal fighting. I mean arguing.

What if most people who think they pass really don't?

I can only speak for myself and for me it's mostly dysphoria. I don't like it when people lie to me only to make me feel better.
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>>8778583
my taste buds have yet to mature so i have the taste of a little kid
my favorite pizza is Hawaiian
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>>8778574
Ay yo, mushroom is the beeeest.
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>>8778589
You're a trans woman, right? Would you argue if you got misgendered, or just stay passive? Most trans people are also depressed trainwrecks that wouldn't argue or even defend themselves unfortunately.

>I don't like it when people lie to me only to make me feel better.
They don't lie in such cases, they just treat you as the woman that you are. Trans women ARE women and you don't have to feel like an impostor or anything, no matter how well you pass.
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i have so many dreams about people that don't exist, i grow emotionally attached yet lose them every morning, dead forever.
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>>8778600
desu I can't remember the last time I ate mushrooms but they scare me
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>>8778604
thats pretty sad anon
nice photo
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>>8778605

Embrace the fear!
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>>8778603
I know quite a few transwomen who would correct someone misgendering them.
I wouldn't because if they see me as a man I am a man to them so they didn't do anything wrong.

> transwomen are women
That's a question of how you define a woman. I'm sorry to say this but a tranny isn't a woman for a lot of people. Your definition isn't true for everyone. And I don't want to pass as a woman. I want to pass as a cis woman.
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Please make me come out to all of my family so I can actually go full time by January and not just continue to hide myself
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times arent good for a lot of you
but i hope they get better
i think you all deserve to be happy

please dont give up
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>>8778628
>OH NO, THEY CORRECTED SOMEONE
>implying an opressed, misunderstood marginal group with high suicide rates that often needs to face the risk of being killed is actually the one that's the opressor and that people fear

>a tranny isn't a woman for a lot of people. Your definition isn't true for everyone.
This unfortunately is true, but at the same time it contradicts with your idea of "people just being nice"
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Heeeelp there are trannies in my house and they are stealth reeeeeee!
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>>8778661
hug them :3
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>>8778661
3 more hours until the Kiwi birds are up, start getting ready for bed
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>>8778665
Nu that's weird.

>>8778667
Lmao I'm getting fucked up, I'm already halfway there, no sleep for me.
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>>8778670
oh
be careful then, drink water
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Daily reminder that Shakira:
>Stalks innocent girls because she's jealous of them
>Gets angry when people call her out on her creepy autist behavior
>Backtracks and says she was exaggerating once a lot of people realize how evil she is

Shakira is a creepy predatory stalker, Mercury was her first victim, and you could be next.
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>>8778661
they don't seem to be good at stealthiness then
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>tfw chubbyish ectomorph
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>>8778676
Naaa, only drinking pizza and booze.

>>8778681
I mean to everyone except me and my sister.
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>>8778687
okay but make sure to drink water at the same time
you'll thank yourself in the morning
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>>8778689
No I need to be punished.
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>>8778691
i feel the same way about myself
but i dont want anyone else to feel that way
please take care of yourself okay?
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I'd probably stop hrt if I didnt already know I fail at being a man.
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>>8778699
idk for me being on hrt makes it bearable to not transition further
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>>8778655
They dont fear us, they just dont want drama.
I also dont see how that contradicts my ideo of people just being nice. They can not see us as women and still say she.
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Is anyone else dreaming WAY more now than pre transition? Every night/every other night has been another fantastical dream after another. I always dream of being the girl in different situations, wether normal life instances or sci fi scenarios. It's become a short 2nd life after I go to sleep and I'm really happy about that. IRL I'm still in femboi mode.
in other news, I bought a $5 cosplay wig to pacify me for the time being until I grow my hair to qt length.. BTW, I'm prolly going to cosplay as Kudelia Bernstein (pic) in Rhode Island in November. This means I have to out myself to my friends who are also going.
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Is it a bad idea to get fat transfers and VFS within like 1 month of each other or less
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>>8778719
Depends on if youll have intubation during the fat transfer
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>>8778727
I was thinking of doing the fat transfer first. Either that or getting IV sedation. I know you can't get intubated after VFS. But was more so wondering about recovery times and all. Since after fat transfers you can't sit for 2 months.
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I want to get a haircut but I know Id end up super depressed and crying over losing my hair anytime I look in the mirror.
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>>8778733
Idk anything about fat transplants but where I had VFS they said
> If you had or are going to have other operations under general anesthesia, you should wait at least 2 months to be able to receive VFS surgery.

Recovery of VFS is super easy. I could leave the clinic the same day. Its a very minor surgery.
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>>8778743
Guess I'll get VFS first and then get the fat transfers when I'm back in the states.

Now I just need to work on the "work 80 hours a week for 10 months straight to afford this" thing
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>>8778715
I guess you're just sleeping better because you have more peace of mind.

>I always dream of being the girl in different situations, wether normal life instances or sci fi scenarios.
VERY nice.
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What is worse, transition late and be a ugly dude in a dress, or keeping repressing it?

I dont see how i could ever become happy still, but I gues im wondering which path is less miserable
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>>8778750
Where do you want to go
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>>8778754
That's up to you
You can also be a """boy""" on E like Faye and me
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>>8778766
For VFS or fat transfer or later on after I get the surgeries?
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>>8778738
Don't cut your hair, long hair is cute
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>>8778771
For vfs
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>>8778787
Planning on going to Yeson like you since I'm Korean.
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If I was to order hormones online what should they be and how much a day should I take then?
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>>8778791
Let's hope my result won't make you change your mind :p
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>>8778813
franzi, when are you allowed to talk again

when will your vow of silence be over
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>>8778524
I should be in this game and end up killing everyone
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Asking here cuz hrtgen slow. Does cypro cause any immediate side effects for you, like drowsiness or anything else you can feel after you take one?

>>8778801
hrtgen has a massive spreadsheet, so go ther but

AA:
cypro = good, expensive, nukes test from balls, gives depression, 25mg or 50mg, dosages often decrease to 12.5mg depending on what works for u
spiro = worse, cheap, nukes less test, makes you piss and crave salt, retains potassium so you cant eat bananas, dosages vary wildly up to like some 400mg because people are resistant to it and its not very good

estrogen = estrogen. 2-4mg over time
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>>8778813
Correction, my math was off, it's going to be more like 14 months at a least, probably close to 18 or so before I can get it. By then your voice should be long girlish so I'm not deterred. 6 months to completely settle if I recall right.

Holy shit these captchas are fucking ass. ayy lmao solve 18 in a row nope wrong do it 6 times more you fucking worthless captcha slave
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>>8778818
Spiro makes me tired at least, it's handy when you take it befote bed
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>>8778817
when you play fallout, do you play as a female character, amy? :3
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>>8778823
oh whoops for some reason i thought you were asking about hrt in general
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>>8778823
yeah i saw on hrtgen cypro supposedly causes drowsiness but its hard to find actual evidence because most stuff is about dosages for pedos/cancer patients and not 25mg
but i have been getting kinda tired and a dry mouth, idk if that's cypro
im nervous im buying fake pills lol
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im a girl
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>>8778827
I'm proud to say I've never completed or played a game as a female

Except when I was younger playing saints row I would have a sex change and go shopping when I completed the game

Then deleted the save :^)
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>>8778839
yeah I wonder what that could have possibly meant Amy
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>>8778842
Nothing cause I was a kid playing a game

And I deleted the save always

>>8778838
I'm a boy
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>>8778815
Ill be allowed to talk in a week.

>>8778822
He said it takes a year.
> By then your voice should be long girlish
thats the question. I am really curious how Ill sound.
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me is walking inverted triangle me want to kill self me hold a lot of resentment for people who have normal lives
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>>8778844
no you're a girl :)
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I had a dream that I was on vacation in Japan and then North Korea nuked it and I had to hide in a bomb shelter
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>>8778851
I'm afraid I'm not. Otherwise I'd end up dead and unable to live on the world
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>>8778827
>fallout 2 AGP run
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>>8778852
I'm self aware in my nightmares
That's how powerful I am
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>>8778852
and I was really scared and no one knew English so I couldn't talk to anyone because the only Japanese I know is like watashi kawaii sugoi desu ne
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>>8778854

Ball gags and mentats are patrician.
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>>8778854
If you can't play as a cute girl, I don't even think a game's worth picking up
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>>8778846
Post lots of clips after 6 months.

I've never heard of anyone having bad results.
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>>8778867
Cough cough Faye cough cough.
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>>8778870
Faye isn't a human being though and intentionally fucked its results up by deep throating table legs 24/7 so it's not a real statistic
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Please answer this extremely highly super important poll!
Thanks!

http://www.strawpoll.me/13790856

http://www.strawpoll.me/13790856

http://www.strawpoll.me/13790856
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Hey /mtfg/, Im desperate for attention, what should I do?
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How sleep when brain no stop buzz buzz
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>>8778852
that doesnt sound very kawaii
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>>8778878
i just masturbate until i pass out
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>>8778874
When will you have enough results, Moap?
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>>8778878
Just drink more like me.
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>>8778464
My gt is hard
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>>8778874
I'm permaboymode because agp.
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>>8778874
what do I answer if i never go outside
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>>8778876
i post pictures of myself to the internet for a hollow and short lived boost in self-worth thay ends in guilt and dependence
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>>8778888
Moap you should know by now your answers will always be more or less the same % all around the board. Almost everyone who is full time leaves this place.
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>>8778883
That's probably a chunk of why I'm wide awake rn actually
Fucking alcohol

>>8778880
That requires a libido

>>8778888
Do you have an excel spreadsheet where you save the results of every poll?
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>tfw Misato isn't real and even if she was she wouldn't be your gf

anyone else know this feel
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>>8778881
Anyone who knows me knows that its never enough.
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>>8778896
Just become the misato
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>>8778890
Yeah. I mean you basically have to be a real grade A loser to be a full-timer and still hang around these parts.
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>>8778890
Results thus far have shockingly been strongly contrary to that, half to two thirds of the board are full time, up to a third are full time for two plus years.

Such high results do call the validity of the poll into question, however.
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>tfw spend all day flirting with people on twitter and watching anime
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>>8778902
It me
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hey MTFG
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>>8778902
The thing about finishing your transition is that it doesn't necessarily cure the lifetime of mental problems you scooped up along the way and it's still pretty easy to relate to a lot of folks here.

Not that I'd know, just what I've been told.

>>8778904
That doesn't sound right. Or maybe it's just not the right hours.
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>tfw you have autism
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>>8778885
is this a way to not become a man in a dress and lipstick when you're 50
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>>8778911
http://socialintelligence.labinthewild.org/mite/
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>>8778907
Literally the tranny equivalent of going to frat parties in your late 20s and making people around you feel uncomfortable.
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my mom always comes into my room when i leave for ten minutes so she can look around and invade my provacy and then randomly throw away things i need

thank you for reading angryatmymom.blogspot.com
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>>8778908
Hey buddi.
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>>8778902
or be impossibly ugly
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>>8778916
Don't talk shit I can still beer bong like the cool young hip happenin crowd
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>>8778893
No, just a word doc. Dates too.

>>8778902
Will I ever escape pepe?
How can you stand the psychic energy of avataring as that disgusting frog? Dont you want to be not disgusting and not like pepe?

>>8778910
The polls have been at random hours during all times of the day.

>>8778916
My sister went to a frat party.
How do I come to terms with my little sister being a slut, frog?
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el anna
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>>8778927
My sister is a slut and a racemixer, I don't think I'll ever come to terms with it.
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>>8778931
élan
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E-Lanna: The canadian artificial intelligence(dumb) bot designed to fill the leaf shaped hole in your heart
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>>8778927
>>8778932
What's the problem? She's her own person and like any of us wouldn't at least try the same lifestyle if we were cis.
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>>8778939
import when
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>>8778926
Just be careful, you're getting to that age where half a dozen beers will put you in a coma.

>>8778927
>How can you stand the psychic energy of avataring as that disgusting frog? Dont you want to be not disgusting and not like pepe?
Nothing else captures the level of smugness I feel when I'm bullying trannies. Also, it matches my disgusting personality, I guess.

>How do I come to terms with my little sister being a slut, frog?
Impress your parents by becoming the pure sister and make snide comments about her promiscuity during family meals ("Oh, you're still with Brett? It's been two weeks already, isn't that a little long for you?").
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>>8778927
But just think of what you could do with tabulated excel data. You could show demographic trends over time easily, do heat maps for demographics by day of week and time of day. So much more information to be found!

>>8778939
You could have just left it at dumb

>>8778941
Soph
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>tfw will never be as good as elanna
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>>8778927
Sounds like rigging or just plain lies.

Most of mtfg is sub 2 years HRT babbies that do nothing to try and transition except take the pills
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>>8778947
define "good"
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>>8778947
I swear if you start putting me on some kind of pedestal I'm gonna make a pouty face and sit in the corner.

>>8778942
I live every day in a coma anyways it's not a change
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>>8778944
Lani
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>>8778884

Then it's not a proper gt.
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>>8778956
w-what if I just put u on an pear crate
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>>8778960
Pls tuck me in I can't sleep and only you have the power
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>>8778956
>I swear if you start putting me on some kind of pedestal I'm gonna make a pouty face and sit in the corner.
You have to think about what sort of example you're setting. The babytrans all look up to you as their role model.

If you start talking about drinking heavily, they'll only think it's cool and copy you.
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>>8778967
Ill tuck you in and softly play with your hair and kiss your forehead until you fall asleep, then Ill guard your dreams
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>>8778932
Well, I hope she doesnt get a disease. She lives with two gay black guys who both have herpes.

>>8778940
She can do what she wants, and I can feel how I feel about it.

>>8778942
Pepe isnt really smug though, he's just disgusting.
I like your plan frogposter, Im gonna up her in other regards too.
But I want to help her too, I mean shes my sister and I love her
Do you wanna kiss me?
I dunno if its just a personality thing there, froggo, Im gonna take a wild guess you aren't the most socially competent or fit person. Ideally, you bathe regularly and properly...
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>>8778979
>and I can feel how I feel about it.
Of course you can, but what's the point? You're only making yourself miserable.
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>>8778947
You are what you think you are.

>>8778950
Im guessing lies because Im not rigging it, if I was to rig it Id rig it the other way so that I could brag and feel special about being the only actual full time person here.
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>>8778978
>tfw no Sophie to be ur little spoon while you drift off

>>8778966
No not allowed

>>8778972
God you have no idea what a terrifying thought this is. People honestly think I know what I'm doing? Like literally the only part of my life that's going great right now is my professional life, the rest is an absolute flustercuck
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>>8778991
>No not allowed
not even an uptruned saucer?
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>>8778991
you know what you're doing way more than I do
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>>8778988
There's like... 5 full time posters here right now. In fact all the trip posters here BUT me are full time.
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>tfw will never be full time because you're too mentally ill to figure out how to pass
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>>8778993
No
The only place you may put me is in the waste bin where I belong

>>8778998
I'm just a very good bullshitter. I bet I even tricked you into thinking I'm sane
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>>8778979
>I dunno if its just a personality thing there, froggo, Im gonna take a wild guess you aren't the most socially competent or fit person. Ideally, you bathe regularly and properly...
That's a lot of aspersions you're casting there. Actually, I'm more of a clean freak than the opposite, I can't relax or function well in a dirty or messy environment, and I like to think I'm too evolved socially to communicate normally with other people. Also, the only time I'd ever consider kissing anyone from this general would be if I had poison on my lips.

Are you secretly jealous that your sister is out slutting it up? Do you wish you were at frat parties surrounded by boys too?
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>>8779008
>Do you wish you were at frat parties surrounded by boys too?
Why wouldn't any of us?
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>>8779012
It's all fun and games til the roofies kick in
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its not fair how come I don't just get to be a normal girl who's brain works properly
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>>8778991
tfw cant cuddle with lani RN
WHY
EVEN
LIVE
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>>8778991
>God you have no idea what a terrifying thought this is. People honestly think I know what I'm doing? Like literally the only part of my life that's going great right now is my professional life, the rest is an absolute flustercuck
Welp, better work on your PR, because there sure are a lot of doe-eyes staring up at you who want to be like you when they grow up.
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>>8779015
I'd choose that at every party I ever go to over being male.
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I want to be like elanna when I grow up she's so cool
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>>8778987
Eh I dont really care.
But it is a little bit of shamefur dispray

>>8778999
Oh, that lines up with the poll. I guess they *are* accurate...

>>8779003
You need to go full time before you can pass.

>>8779008
Lol beta as fuck scared to kiss a girl. Are you a virgin, frog? Starting to sound like some dorky nerd, but thats better than a gross fat nerd. I bet you've got a belly tho.

I know my place, Frog, and Im content with it.
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>>8779017
I will get to work on a teleportation device asap

>>8779020
Honestly I find that hard to believe, especially given how much of an asshole I tend to be lately
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>>8779031
yes please
I need a lani in my life
tyvm
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>>8779024
I'm scared of girls too
I've seperated them as seperate entities in my mind not connected to humanity

That's why I date men
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>>8779012
A lot of people here would probably rather be at a sorority party.

>>8779024
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to wound your pride, sometime I forget how delicate you are.

I have no idea why you people keep expecting me to be a virgin - if I were one of you, I'd imagine me to be some sort of turbo-chad. I suspect this is just a shaming tactic meant to hurt my ego though.
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>>8779012
wait, what? since when is /mtfg/ not socially crippled anymore and would enjoy frat parties with boys? did i open the wrong thread?
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>>8779040
>A lot of people here would probably rather be at a sorority party.
True true or both.

>>8779044
As a cis girl I mean.
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>>8779038
also to cut down on the dysphoria from being around them
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This game speaks too much to me. It's breaking out of the fourth wall
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I'm so unmotivated
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>>8778502
ok I'm your bf now
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>>8779038
Why?
Girls are just people. Its nice to have friends who arent trying to put their dick in you too.

>>8779040
I am a pampered little princess after all, you have to be gentle with me.

>Id imagine me to be some sort of turbo-chad
Lol its funny cause you're a beta pussy. I like your sarcastic humor, froggo. Too bad you'e a faggot, I like men who treat me like crap.
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>>8779085
Im a Repressor so I can have straight friends who don't want to fuck me
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>>8779085
>>8779040

i just saw this picture at random somewhere else and thought you might appreciate it
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>>8779085
>I like men who treat me like crap.
Really breaking the mould there, Moap. Next thing you'll tell me you have low self-esteem and feel pessimistic about the future.

I treat everybody exactly how they deserve to be treated: with smug condescension for being dumb trannies.
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>>8779085
Girls are people to me

They are these strange cryptic beings
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>>8779093
This is a perfect representation of my interactions with Moap. Thanks, Sophie.
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Repression is so beautiful and enduring
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>>8779092
Oh lucky you
It can get really annoying.

>>8779093
Perfect.

>>8779096
Tee hee what can I say Im super unique and unpredictable.

You're a bitter faggot picking on transgirls, theres no way around it. you're pathetic.

>>8779098
I find girls more relateable than boys

>>8779103
Tru
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>tfw someone literally vomited after seeing me shirtless
time to go kill myself
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>>8779115
>You're a bitter faggot picking on transgirls, theres no way around it. you're pathetic.
It's the natural order of things. We all have our roles to play, Moap.

I still want to know what you're doing with that data you're collecting. When are you going to tell me?
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>>8779115
I think thats why my repression works
Because All I know is masculine thinking
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https://www.bbc.com/pidgin

Shakria lol
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>>8779157
dayum gurl lemme holla at u
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D E A D
same time EVERY night
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I wish I could just go into a coma, it'd be just like sleep and never having to wake up from it
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>>8779184
shen but what if u could fix ur life instead and then you end up liking yourself when u get thiner u dont know whats underneath!! and then maybe u will be able to live the life u want
u should wish for that instead
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all trans girls deserve cuddles and headpats
>>
You lose British transgirls

You lose.


Come, come here and listen to a tale about the Lancaster Plan!

http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm?frm=184244/sec_id/184244
>plan created in 2005 under our friend tony blair
>muslim conquest of UK and the west is inevitable
>government believes that whites are unwilling to fight for themselves so a peaceful transition must be organised
>favour immigrants for council houses because people with houses are more likely to start families and have kids
>give muslims protected status under law to reduce their chances of early chimping out early
>encourage immigration so that muslim population has family ties to rest of islamic world thus empowering the uk
>increase local autonomy around the country so that sharia zones can legally be created without causing a fuss country wide
>over time these zones will increase in size along with muslim government representation resulting in a total takeover by islam
>at some point a royal will have to convert to islam
>it will all have been done gradually so that the uk as an entity survives

And for some further reading about the wider EU plot, here's the Kalergi plan.
http://www.westernspring.co.uk/the-coudenhove-kalergi-plan-the-genocide-of-the-peoples-of-europe/
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Which trips are uguu kawaii?
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>>8779213
anon
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>forced to go to the beach
>feel so infinitely dysphoric and going borderline crazy

What do I do? I feel like im getting shown what i'll never reach in my whole life. Giant shoulders, giant ribcage..
I can't enjoy anything right now..Not one bit.
>>
I really need a pedicure to do all this like yoga/pole dance/suspended ring classes and I don't reallly want to waste the money and not get a color so what color would you guys recommend for a boy
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>>8779224
Just gotta accept it and focus on progress in other areas
>>8779229
Some darker reds would look good on u I bet
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*yuris u*
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>>8779229
uwaehcbueghc ug
hehe\hehehe
eheheheheheheh
lmao
more booze

hugg pretty grill faye
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>>8779229
baby blue
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>>8779229
Gunmetal.
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>>8779242
Why are you always do epic for the win
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>>8779239
you should go to sleep now
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>>8779240
I think that sounds cute
>>8779239
Pulls you over by waist and gives you head rubs
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>>8779242
Too masculine, I'm not a chad
>>8779234
Hmmmmmmmm maybe to fem I'm not a fag
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>>8779189
Yes
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someone love me plz 'ms so lonely

>>8779245
hehehehe im so pised

>>8779246
uwuwuwuwuwu
rubbes accepts


holy shid i ned tdleep
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>>8779251
hugg
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>>8779234
I thought i had, but seems i didn't..
I'll just try to get some nice legs and a bigger hip, maybe korsett up to get a slimmer waist.. my face should be kinda okey i guess..
How do you guys do your hair? I just let mine grow, wash it nicely with shampoo and conditioner but kinda dont really have a form..
Thanks for the uplifting, sometimes only a few words are needed(or im having moodswings today)
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>>8779255
*loves u*
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>>8779257
I wash mine once a week.
I used to condition it every day and shampoo every other day.
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>>8779263
I might need to do some research how to make it look fluffy, every 3-4 days i shampoo them and every 1-2 days i use conditioner
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>>8779266
Dry shampoo = fluffy
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>>8779267
Whats a dry shampoo? Like without water?
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>>8779269
It's a spray it generally absorbs oil while making hair fluffy, sometimes it's like a powder
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which trip loves girls the most
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>>8779272
Thank you! I guess i'll try it out, im slowly getting into cosmetics..but it's honestly nice to get some ideas
>>
also my instructor told me I need to wear leggings to class for dance

Is there a way to make this masculine
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who loves guys the most hint its me
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hahahahahahahah i sooo fucked

ily faye, you are a good frend

patt my good female buddi.
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Repression benefit number 22: you get to eat meat
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>>8779307
no don't do that
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>>8779307
wtf sínce when does hrt makes you dislike eating meat
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>>8779307
uhhh nuhh uh sweaty daddys meat is the only meat i need :]
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eat only vegetals
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>>8779310
But I get a thrill off eating chicken right off the drumstick like a hungry caveman


>>8779312
Men are allowed muscle, women arent
>>
this board is a degenerate cesspool. I hope you all find Christ someday.
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>>8779297
I dont know since i dont care if my partner is a guy or a girl :)
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>>8779322
I cured my transgenderism and it wasn't Christ

It was me who was the god
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>>8779318
who cares about what you are allowed to or not anyways? if I want to eat meat I'll do it
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>>8779322
already did
>>8779317
whats ur favorite vegitable
>>8779318
yeah well i ate a whole chicken nugget. what are u going to do
>>8779324
if ur """"bisexual"""""" then ur not truely loving to be honest :[
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Good night freinds, ily all
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>>8779317
I could go for some Peking duck
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>>8779327
if u wear really god then why did
nt u make urself be a girl
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>>8779256
Omg hugg

headpat
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>>8779322
Like...finding out Jesus is inside of you?

>>8779307
Funfact, for a healthy diet meat should be eaten by everyone, also butt and leg muscles look amazing on everyone

>>8779314
For sure?

>>8779332
I dont know? I mean of i click with my partner i wont mind either..both have things i like x3
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>>8779336
That's not how it works
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>>8779339
yeah but then u dont like guys the most i like males

and yea i need chickne nuggies not just daddys meat :(
>>8779341
theirs only 1 god and its not u
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>>8779343
Well duh, i fell in love with a cis guy but it would never work out between us. I never got fucked and called a good girl but i totally wouldnt mind~
Girls are soft and nice to cuddle with so that speaks for them
>>
It's too early :(
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>>8779353
for what
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im lonely and have gender dysphoria
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>>8779353
it's like 3pm
>>
SO TIRED
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>>8779356
For being awake

>>8779361
Not here it's not :(

>>8779368
Saaaame
>>
Tfw gonna have ffs by the time im 26
Maybe even when I'm 24
>>
God damn I want to be a mom
>>
>>8779358
*Pat* dont go to the beach. They tell you it's fine? It's not. *Pats* be a good fluffy rabbit
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>>8779389
same

I think of everything that I'm missing out by not being a cis woman, that's the biggest one.

I'm gonna adopt still, and I'm gonna love that child, but it's not the same as waiting to see how they're gonna look, who's features they have, getting to feel them kick inside your tummy, all the things that come with being a bio mom.
>>
>>8779392
Ye
It will be awesome having a kid tho
>>
>>8779389
I love calling her mommy
>>
>>8779397
Yeah, it's something I'm looking forward to whenever it happens. Being able to have a child of my own would be awesome, but having an adopted kid is still gonna be amazing- you still get to see them grow, help them, watch who they become as human beings. You still get to pour all your love into them, comfort them when something wrong happens and celebrate with them when something good happens.
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I'm going to call the hospital on Monday to see about partial hospitalization.
I can't keep this up much longer
hopefully it will give me an emotional reset and I'll get some coping skills out of it.
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There is a white nationalist protest in my city.
What to do mtfg?
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>>8779404
What health challenges are you dealing with?
>>
>>8779392
Stop reminding me of that u bish, i perfectly forgot about that uwu

>>8779404
Hope youll get bettet..
>>
>>8779404
Good luck snickerdoodle, I hope things get better.

>>8779406
Stay out of the way. The protest is no doubt gonna end in violence, and we don't want you getting hurt.
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>>8779410
nuh
you get to remember everything we'll never be
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>>8779406
yea you should go to it! :D
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So this is okay because I need it for aerial hoops right
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>>8779409
depression
suicidal ideation
gender dysphoria
>>
>>8779412
But i can do without everyone and everything reminding me of that.
I also plan to freeze myself in the future for that little hope instead of suicide
>>
>>8779415
yeh
you just need to whisk that moisture, it's not cause you wanna be a girl or anything
>>
When is to late to start?
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>>8779422
Depends on the person and on your personal goal, ideally before 23-25 so you have most chances to pass, the chances get slimmer the later you start..something like that?
Im 23 rightnow so idk
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>>8779416
Good luck, I hope you feel better!
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>>8779403
Yeah
I can't wait to go on vacations with them
Take them and their friends to arcades and museums and shows and stuff
Help them study and crap and cook them quality dinners and breakfasts and pack them cute lunches with lil notes and shit
I feel so weirdly unlucky and jealous when I see bad parents everywhere
It's sad af
I guess I'm becoming a more responsible person in the meantime tho and I'll be able to provide more the longer I wait.
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>>8779422
Honestly? Never.

Best results happen under 25, getting better the further back you go, but even after that there are still a lot of really good results. And, even then,
https://www.reddit.com/r/transtimelines/
this place shows a bunch of timelines, a lot of them in their 30s or even 40s. Most of them aren't beautiful or anything, but the vast majority of people in their 30s and 40s aren't anyways.
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>>8779426
I'm 26 and been told that I look 10 years older. I thing body could be ok because I have a bit wider hips than most male, nice legs, gyno, smaller hands and low muscle mass, but face is fucked beyond repair
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>>8779430
Getting more responsible is good. It's a lot harder to become an adoptive parent than a biological one- they want someone with a stable personality, stable (and good) income, and who really wants to have a kid.

But yeah, I get really angry at bad parents. Not only because they're being bad parents, but because they're taking such a precious gift for granted.
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>>8779430
Dont forget them being bratty, throwing tantrums for not getting something they want.
Dont forget all the funny stuff kids can fuck up x3 coloring the walls, abusing the pets, eating dirt and so much more...
Someday i want to be a good mum uwu
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>>8779421
I got a tight no show dance belt thing thing too so like you can't see anything
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>>8779436
Like some anon said to me, you have to accept some parts and focus on the others..my face ist rather okeyish-good looking for a male but idk how how well it goes with the rest of the body..
*Shrugs* i'll focus on the stuff i can change and worry about the other things when i can't do anything else.

Some people have godly makeupskills, it depends on wether you want to pass or be a 10/10 qt which is rather..rare anyways..
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>>8779442
That's good. That's always worried me about anything of tight clothes like that.

>>8779439
Yeah, I'm not under a pretense that children are some sort of magical angels. But that's never changed my view much- I think the good outweighs the bad by far
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>>8779445
I think this is the problem with the focus on passing. So many people forget what it actually means to just pass- they think it's about being beautiful, when the vast majority of people aren't beautiful. They compare themselves to pictures of people online, when those are pretty much all chosen to be the best possible look the person can get, and many of them are photoshopped, even unintentionally.

You gotta look outside, and see how people your age group actually look

We've fallen for the same tricks many young girls do, the tricks put out by the fashion mags and trends that every girl is supposed to be perfectly curvy and beautiful
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Tfw you will probably be deemed "mentally unfit" to adopted because you've been to a psych ward
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>>8779446
I wouldn't call it bad...it's part of grooming them x3 negatives kinda are positives in the long run as long as you, as a parent, do a good job at helping them in their 'tutorial' level of life
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>>8779453
Im at the beach right now and girl, there are lots of cuties, wouldnt call them beauties (Well some are, which is rare anyway)
But when i went out on the streets and omg. There are SO many ugly people Out there, it's like an army.
I think we should focus more in our feelings and not if we are the next topmodels ha
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>>8779456
I think some of it is pretty objectively bad- like the anon said, hurting animals is often up there. I understand that their goal isn't really to hurt them per se, but I still consider the action bad.

But yeah, in the long run it's the job of the parent to help them there, as in all places, to become better.
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I should just end it
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>>8779465
ha, yup. People on most beaches are the same way- they're their like they are partially because they know they look amazing.

Nude beaches are good for this (tbhon, I kinda like the nudist lifestyle for reasons like this), because they understand that most bodies are not pretty. Wrinkles, sags, stretch marks, scars, impurities in the skin... all of them are perfectly normal parts of our bodies, not something to be ashamed of.

People always talk about how nudist beaches are filled with ugly people, but like you said- the average person is "ugly". Nobody wants to admit it though, because we've all been fed the idea that if we just worked a little harder, we could be amazingly beautiful.

And yeah, for me, feelings are always gonna be more important. I don't care if I'm beautiful, I just want to be happier in my skin.
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It's my birthday!!

I'm gonna go out drinking and talk to lotsa people!!
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>>8779471
No you shouldn't. Ending it means there's never any chance of things getting better- no matter how bad things are, they can get better.

Go to that hospital you were talking about- you need help.
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QUESTION
does HRT stop any future hair loss? I know what's gone is probably gonna stay gone, but I'd like the peace of mind that my hairline isn't gonna keep receding.....
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>>8779454
>because you've been to a psych ward
Your past isn't relevant to the future. There are plenty of mothers that have been in psychiatric care, and you shouldn't be ashamed of needing help.

>>8779476
Yes, AND just stopping testosterone may help you get some hair regrowth. It likely won't be much, but it filled out the corners of my hairline in my experience.

Also, all hair-loss prevention medication gives you gyno and mood changes, so it's safe to assume that that kind of thing is hormonal.
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>>8779476
Yep. It can even return some of your hair lost, though it isn't a guarantee
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>>8779471
You can still work hard, get money and then let en freeze you up o:

>>8779473
Totally. Talking about skin, mine is so goddamn soft *swoons*

>>8779474
Happy Birthday! Id love to go for a drink with you if you are near kroatia austria or germany x3

>>8779476
Idk sometimes it works wonders/regrows..

Doesnt hrt let you age female?
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Love you all, hope youre all having a nice day today.
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>>8779484
>austria or germany
How close are those to Pittsburgh, PA? I don't really leave the US often.
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>>8779480
adopting parents have higher requirements than bio parents. Bio parents just have to get knocked up- for adopting parents, the past actually does matter. Psych ward doesn't mean it'll never happen though, so long as you have a stable enough personality now. It probably will make it harder.

>>8779484
oh my gosh yes. Soft skin is amazing

I get the whole "women shouldn't have to shave their legs all the time, we're not sex objects" thing, but it feels so nice anyways
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>>8779480
>>8779481
>>8779484
thank you, thats good news! the corners of my hair have gone so far back in such a short time. if I got any amount of regrowth then maybe god is real

>>8779489
thanks u2
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>>8779471
One cent has been deposited into your account.
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>>8779494
Wigs are also an option.

Wigs that you spend good money on (we're talking a couple hundred) can look really good. Plus, since they use human hair, they look entirely natural.
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>>8779491
>It probably will make it harder.
That sounds fair.

You should really be expected to go through the same kind of rigor though; stupid people often raise children they can't legitimately take care of.

>>8779494
>then maybe god is real
no, god is dead.
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>>8779494
whats the plan today anon.
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>>8779490
It's far enough away that you need a planeticket uwu maybe when im visiting the US someday x3
But have fun partying!

>>8779491
My skin is even softer than my Sisters/mothers..Kind of insane but amazing at the same time x3
>>8779494
Good luck o/

>>8779506
>God is dead
Well depending of what you want to call god/what your god is and if you believe in god.
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>>8779506

I get why the requirements are harder for adopted parents. These kids have already been failed once, nobody wants that to happen again.

It's all in place to make sure the kid doesn't go to someone that can't legitimately take care of them.
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>>8779506
>no, god is dead.

not true, by the way
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>>8779474
Happy birthday to you~ Happy birthday to you~
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>>8779516
Hi Grace! I miss you.
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>>8779516
Thank youuuuuuuuu~~~~ <3

How's the hangover?
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>>8779506
Neitchez didn't mean god was literally dead. He meant the people had lost their faith in religion and needed to replace their moral standing.
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>>8779508
well I was literally planning on starting HRT today but my local gender clinic is closed on weekends so I guess I'll keep testosteroning for a couple days and just get high do college homework while fretting over my appearance and my life in general.

>>8779503
true. Ive thought of just getting like extensions to fill er out

>>8779506
god died and left his Sims game running

>>8779510
>good luck
thank you friendo
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>>8779515
This, there never was one in the first place
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>>8779530
Extensions are good to

I think there's also follicle implants, so you can have a naturally full head of hair
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>>8779531
are you telling me you havent slept yet
reeeeeee
also
>she doesnt believe in god

dropped
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>>8779531
God is real though
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>>8779411
Why not?

>>8779414
I might just go for the fun of it
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>>8779538
Next you'll be telling me you believe in the tooth fairy.

>>8779536
I've slept, actually nice and rested feeling :3
Don't u try and seduce me with ur Catholic charms.
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>>8779525
Did you mean Nietzsche?
I'm saying that we have no reason to have faith in something we have no proof of beyond hallucinogenic visions/experiences. We understand absolutely nothing about the world.
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>>8779531
You are awake Oo

>>8779536
Dont drop someone only because of their belief :<
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>>8779542
read aquinas' 5 ways pls
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>>8779536
Hi Sophie! I hope you're having a good day.
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>>8779542
>I've slept, actually nice and rested feeling :3

but not enough ;_;


>>8779545
Id never drop elanna, shes my queen

>>8779548
thank you anon
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>>8779538
I believe in god as the oneness of everything experiencing itself as it unfolds through time, but theres no way in hell that theres a conscious being creating us and watching over us cause WHY TRANS

>>8779533
been looking into transplants too. unfortunately everything in the universe is out of my budget at the moment
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>>8779525
**but yes, I agree that while Nietzsche aimed to destroy the world we knew with his thinking, he ALSO made a point that in the wake of his destruction, there would be something that comes up in its place. Otherwise, we slide into nihilism.
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>>8779521
Hi anon!
>>8779524
I only had one Mike's so it's not that bad! Little bit of a headache, little bit..
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>>8779536
I believe in all gods and no gods
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>>8779547
Oh bunnyperson is back/awake again

>>8779550
Awww good girl *pats*
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I don't want to work today
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>>8779555
little bit lol
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>>8779547
I prefer an evidence based approach rather than something which is based on philosophical faff.
The evidence suggests that people invent religion to answer questions they do not yet understand, and were there a singular god that made everything, they would not only be detectable in some way, and there wouldn't be huge subsets of humanity that have beliefs like that the universe is on the back of a giant turtle.

>>8779550
Not enough? I actually had woken up middle of the night earlier and couldn't sleep again. I've gotten about 8 hours :3
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>>8779566
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>>8779566
Are you saying an omnipotent god can't make themselves undetectable in the universe he created?
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Meanwhile, on /gif/
>>>/gif/11150227
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>>8779566
The truth is that there's no evidence either way. There's no definitive reason to either believe in god or not beyond the words of shamans and the fact that the big bang couldn't have happened without an outside force.

>>8779573
that's some alex jones tier shit
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>>8779573
welp i changed "himself" but not "he" well done me
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found this weird dog in my garbage
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>>8779577
In the sense that Jones also believes things that cannot be proven either true or false? Yeah I guess
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>>8779573
omnipotence is inherently illogical
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>>8779566
>she sleeps 8 hours at night
>0 of those in my arms

;___;
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>>8779566
Religion was invented to control people.
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>>8779585
How do you know logic has anything to do with the structure and nature of the universe and what's possibly outside of it and what our senses can tell us?
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>>8779568
Call me a fedora tipper, but "read some philosopher's 5 'logical' arguments" is pretty weak as far as points in favour of the existence of god. May as well tell me to go back and read about how much Plato loved to stick his dick in little boys as a defence of pedophilia.

>>8779573
I'm saying if they were the kind of god that gave a shit about people following them, they absolutely would. And besides, supposedly God did interfere in prehistory, but there is no archaeological evidence to support this, and an increasingly large amount of evidence to suggest that the Israelites weren't even an distinct ethnic group, or that exodus ever happened.

>>8779577
>the fact that the big bang couldn't have happened without an outside force.
That is not a fact, it's something that extends beyond our current understanding of physics. The idea of force is probably not even a good way of thinking about something happening in the absence of time. Tons of stuff happens spontaneously without an external force acting on it though.
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>>8779592
take it to /x/
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>>8779596
hey now
Plato night have been on to something there
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>>8779530
That sucks :c a few days wont hurt so dont worry.

Hope things go well for you good luck!
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>>8779596
they're good arguments elanna
pls read them
for a spontaneously thing to happen there has to be some condition that causes it to happen
ie if physical laws causes a force to spontaneously exist in some way there still has to be someone to set the laws of physics

an absence of matter space time etc isn't pure nothingness if it jas some governing rules
>>
>turning 26 soon

a-am i a christmas cake?
am i past my sell by date...
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>>8779583
No, he comes up with insane conspiracy theories and proves them with ad-hoc arguments. It's certainly possible that god is sitting in a different thread in the 4th or higher dimension, but to use that sort of thing to prove god is real is foolish.

>>8779590
it was invented to spread a message. That message gives vulnerable people hope, making them easy to manipulate. It was not created for that purpose, but it happens to be an easy means of doing so.

>>8779596
>Tons of stuff happens spontaneously without an external force acting on it though.
I only know the bare surface level of chemistry, so I'll take your word for it. I'm just rehashing a common argument that might be incredibly flawed; I don't know.
>>
>>8779596
You can't disprove a god or justify not believing logically
It's a matter of perspective: either you choose to believe that all the "evidence to the contrary" is a test of your faith or trust that your hunch and perspective of an unseeable god being "a bad person" and not worth worship anyway (from a human perspective)
which is a silly argument because if you're theoretically willling to accept that there might be a god surely you can imagine that they might have different ethics
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>>8779614
Nobody is trying to prove god, just that it's not "illogical" or insane to believe because you can't apply standards like that to the idea of an omnipotent being
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anything short of agnostic atheism is intellectually dishonest
*tips fedora
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pure transbian love is the best evidence for a loving God
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>>8779610
>for something to happen there has to be a cause
This is untrue.
For example, if you create a complete vacuum, it will never be a complete vacuum. Matter-antimatter pairs will spontaneously form and annihilate without any external force. Particles will defy all logic and tunnel their way through energy barriers without any rhyme or reason. The universe isn't always inherently logical, and neither is philosophy.

>>8779614
It's not really chemistry here it's getting more into the realm of the weird. Chemistry is by far one of the more predictable sciences it's just a small subset of physics.
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someone doesnt like me lol xd
>>8779626
donot sully his name
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>>8779627
yes but a vacuum is not really nothing, its just the absence of matter

vacuum still have governing laws anf exist in time and space which must have been caused by something

pure nothingness is not even the absence of space or time given that something like that could still have an internal logic of some sort

eventually you either have to say there is an infinite chain of causes or there is one original cause ie God
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>>8779627
It is completely logical just unknown. They fookin thought the earth was flat before. You have to find out about the laws that govern us. If you dont understand/dont know, that doesnt make it illogical
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>>8779636
but if the laws of the universe don't exist outside of itself, why does there have to be a first cause?
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>>8779644

>>8779644
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>>8779614
But how can anyone find hope through religion
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>>8779647
because nothing can come from a PURE nothingness, there would be no reason for anything to happen or exist
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>>8779636
Okay, so, by your logic, it would be just as reasonable to assert that before time the root cause of the universe forming may as well be a giant pink elephant. Maybe there is a root cause, but there's absolutely no reason to assume it's something like a deity.
>>
>>8779659
I'm not saying there's a God in the traditional Christian sense, just that there is a creator with some sort of will
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>>8779655
Only because you dont know how it works doesnt mean it isn't possible
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>>8779624
I guess there's two arguments that the common person would make if they really started thinking:
1) God is real because someone had to make this world
2) God is not real because we have never seen him

the real answer is that they're both wrong, because when you open up the world to literally limitless possibilities, you can't prove something exists or doesn't exist, period. We barely understand our own existence in this world, so there's no way to say whether or not WE are real, much less whether or not god is real.

So for skeptics that think god can't be real, it's best to just let them believe that, lest they think themselves off the face of the earth and turn nihilistic.

>>8779651
Imagine being afraid of dying. Now imagine someone tells you it's going to be ok, because after death is eternal bliss. That would give anyone hope.
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>>8779659
You're assuming your human idea of what's reasonable or not somehow reflects what the universe/anything possibly outside of it might actually be
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>>8779659
>it would be just as reasonable to assert that before time the root cause of the universe forming may as well be a giant pink elephant
Bertrand Russel literally argues for this in his teacup theory, and it's a compelling argument.
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>>8779669
And what reason is there to assume it's a god. There is none. There is no reason to assume there's a will behind it, short of your faith in a fairy tale. It is more Illogical to assume rigid causality from some being with agency and will than some particle wobbling the wrong direction

>>8779676
And? God is a human creation, the opposite could be said and it would be equally relevant.
>>
So this turned from /mtfg/ to philosophy?
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>>8779694
male to filosopher general
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>>8779688
True, hence >>8779617
Everybody can choose between faith or logic/likelihood/probability/gut feeling and neither can be proven to be right
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>>8779696
I love this post
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>>8779696
Nice pun! x3
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