AGP pretending to be HSTS?

I don't understand what people would have to gain from lying?

Being a transgender woman is the ultimate level of negative privilege and the highest form of social suicide, so IDK why people would WANT to lie to go down this path?

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>>8655537
It's very, very easy to tell if someone is retconning "effemininity" or not.

Read pic related and see if you can guess if it's an AGP or an HSTS and then I'll go on.

>>8655551
AGP as fuck lul

>>8655550
OP here. My reason is that people tend to see AGPs as perverts who transitioned for fetish reasons. HSTSes have a better reputation. I do pass, so it's more expected of me to be HSTS, and those who know tend to give me sympathy rather than scorn for this.

Oh, I forgot to mention that it also lets me say I was bullied as a child for being feminine.

>>8655551
Not OP.

>didn't already present/act as a girl
>isn't considered a girl by her friend already
>I'm a girl "now"
>"the other boys"
>"announced I was a girl"
>at eight
The first three scream AGP. The rest could be overlooked if not for the first three, but with them fit an AGP life.

That's just my interpretation of events as described though, not assuming any lying, only that they are described to sound feminine deliberately.

Openly trans is also a red flag. No mention of boys or expecting to marry a man is also suspicious.

>>8655566
Why do you want to say you were bullied?

>>8655537
Should I worry about people suspecting me as AGP if I'm straight, and transitioned relatively young (late teens).

I'm HSTS, but, yeah, I worry about being seen in the same light as some of the fetishit hons i've encountered.

>>8655592
>how to fake being HSTS thread
>"I'm HSTS"

>>8655601
Just saying, I'm not even AGP, but I still worry about being seen as AGP.

Still don't think that'll happen. Since i'm 18, rather than some megahon, in 'her' mid thirties.

>>8655619
Whether you're seen as AGP depends on one thing and only one thing: do you pass?

>>8655568
>literally 8 years old
>agp
8 year olds dont have fetishes retard

>>8655568
Eight year olds don't think about marriage you fucking weirdo. Most eight year old girls are still in their "boys are gross D:" phase.

>>8655589
It's so that people are less inclined to think of me as someone who lived a life of male privilege and then transitioned to fulfill their sexual fantasies.

>>8655642
>>8655645
t. AGPs

>>8655631
No, I don't pass. I had pretty square jaw and barritone voice by the time I was able to access treatment at 17. ;_;

>>8655649
Dude, I was picked on and made fun of literally every day for being "the queer kid" throughout middle and high school. Don't pretend to have been bullied if you weren't actually bullied you AGP nerd.

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>>8655661
stop this agp meme

>>8655649
>feminism leads trans people to lie about their type

>>8655558
what are you on? fetishes don't exist until puberty. pic confirmed trutrans/hsts and female gender identity.

>>8655558
right

Red flags of faking being HSTS/effeminate are:

>the describe playing with girl's toys as a means of "proving their femininity"
>they make a strong point to assert that they were a woman, or that they "had to figure out" that they were a woman, rather than a faggy boy who wasn't able to contextualize with any caste of males, young and old
>their bullying began in their later grades, they had males that used to be friends with them begin bullying them
>they refer to themselves as "having known that they were trans"
>they were a boy that was "popular with the girls" and they try to play it off a having "only female friends"
>they refer to themselves as having been "girly", "not like the other boys", "not fitting in with the guys", "not liking macho culture", "boys being too rough to hang out with so the girls suited them better"
>uncomfortable as referring to themselves as having been a "faggot" or viewed as one
>they don't have any crush stories with boys starting immediately in childhood
>attraction to boys/self contextualization as "not male" isn't evident in their drawings and writings from childhood

>>8655700
also by the last one, i don't mean something like "the clues were there"

>>8655700
>they
not she?

>the describe playing with girl's toys as a means of "proving their femininity"
or she learned from therapists who mentioned that she did it that it was important.

>they refer to themselves as "having known that they were trans"
just different language, she was aware of transsexuality, older hstses wouldn't know the term.

>self contextualization as "not male" isn't evident in their drawings and writings from childhood
how would you even see this?

Reality bends to fetish, AGP and Penis Envy are the third sex before their time, and a natural born and hormonally balanced pseudo-hermaphroditic gender will arise within the next 200 years.

It is written.

>>8655551
It doesn't sound like retconning just regular agp that hit early

>>8655568
All of these sound AGP
8 is supposedly the average age of onset of cross-gender fantasies for late onset dysphoria according to that one study I'm too lazy to look up so you can think I'm pulling this out of my ass

>>8655592
People only care if you look normal and act normal
Hons are only hons because they look creepy or act creepy

>>8655642
They have fantasies that can get fetishized later, many fetishists recall liking their fetish objects years before puberty
Besides AGP type trans doesn't behave like a fetish so it's silly to compare it to regular fetishes

>>8655700
What are flags for genuine HSTS?

>>8655672
Well, that's unfortunate. Sadly, most are going to think you're AGP if you don't pass. Get FFS soon and train that voice, anon!

>>8655537
It's *extremely* common. Probably most who claim to have an HSTS-like history actually lie/self-deceive.

>>8655821
a) how to spot it?
b) how to get away with it?

>>8655829
hsts generally don't refer to their childhood as a means of proving themselves.

>>8655821
Why do they do it? What makes it so common?

I dont lie really cause Im not trans, I dont need it for getting hrt or justifying transition to myself and others.
But I might cherry-pick for validation

>>8656047
gatekeeping and prejudice
selfdoubt

>>8655700
>muh contextualization
lmao I kinda wonder to what absurd levels this pseudoscience meme will have evolved within a year. I honestly can't stop finding it funny that the new version of 'trutrans' is an acronym that basically means 'extremely gay man'

>>8656277
t. hon

>>8656282
t. phrenologist

>>8656277
same here desu

cracks me up every time I see "agp" redefined by some blanchard-autist to encompass more and more "symptoms"

>at the end of the day, we were ALL agp

>>8655698
>fetishes don't exist until puberty
Then tell me why I had sexually submissive and heavily masochistic fantasies before I even knew what it meant?

>>8655551
Talk about early awareness of AGP. I had to wait until I had porn to masturbate to at age 11 in order to unlock it. Although I had a desire to crossdress, but I cant remember if it came before or after porn.

AGP came about in a very disjointed way for me. Its like it took me over in slow motion and sometimes was dormant. Although my psychological development got messed up during early puberty so that may be why.

>>8655756
>tfw one of mother nature's dickgirl 3rd sex prototypes
>forced to live as a straight man

>>8655537
If I cared about "legitimacy" I'd keep being a man, I've got all the necessary hardwares (so to speak) and even a somewhat above average looks.

So call me AGP or whatever. If I want to let my life be defined by the words of an old white man I'd support slavery (I'm brown).

>>8656299
>if i don't know something then educating me is making it up

>>8656304
What were your fantasies?

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>>8656390
>What were your fantasies?
I might make a thread about it someday because I was very sexual as a kid and don't know why and I wonder how it might have played a part in how I turned out.
I remember in elementary school I would ask girls to step over me or do other 'fetish' stuff before I had any idea what fetishes were. I remember being stepped on is a fetish I've had very early. Had fantasies of being used as an object, etc.
Masochistic fantasies started at probably like 9 years of age. I remember accidentally seeing Alien chestburster scene and would often fantasize about it happening to me. Lots of my fantasies involved being disemboweled and dying.
I remember I would also often ask my several years older female cousin to do stuff to me, I remember she would for example sit over me and talk lewd, stuff like that. When I was 11 and she was 15 I got actually straight shota'd by her. I have more early sexual experiences I could talk about too.

Maybe this all reads like I'm making stuff up but to be honest I imagine these are the reasons I ended up on this board in the first place.
Now I'm an AA-taking bisexual femboy who only dates guys because I can't imagine I'd be happy dating a girl due to my submissiveness both sexually and relationship wise. I'm fairly sure my attraction to men is legitimate although Blanchard memers are making me get doubts about myself but that's for another thread and as long as I'm dating someone I actually know I love then I imagine it doesn't matter.

>>8656434
>and don't know why and I wonder how it might have played a part in how I turned out.
Imo when fetishes come in is just natural variation between individuals. So the 'why' is no different to why someone gets the same fetishes as a teen, you just happened to be one of the ones who got them early.

But maybe there were experiences that imprinted them early if that's how fetishes work? Idk.

>and as long as I'm dating someone I actually know I love then I imagine it doesn't matter.
That's how I feel about the types of attraction thing too.

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>>8656437
>But maybe there were experiences that imprinted them early if that's how fetishes work? Idk.
I don't know either, anon. Maybe there isn't a point in looking into it too much.
>That's how I feel about the types of attraction thing too.
Yes, I don't think it could be pseudo attraction if I love someone for them themselves and not for some obscure comparison between them and seeing myself as the feminine. Although someone said I might just be conditioned to subconsciously think that way. Makes me think I should take a break from this board because Blanchard memes are making me lose sanity.

>>8656318
>Although my psychological development got messed up during early puberty so that may be why.
???

>>8656465
S-shouldn't that clock say 7:06? Why does the minute part even go above 59!

>Maybe there isn't a point in looking into it too much.
Understanding ourselves is cool though.

>Yes, I don't think it could be pseudo attraction if I love someone for them themselves
W-well that's not what I said! I just think if I love them then what kind of attraction it is doesn't matter.

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>>8656482
>Understanding ourselves is cool though.
Yes, I agree.
>W-well that's not what I said! I just think if I love them then what kind of attraction it is doesn't matter.
If you truly love them and love them as a person then yes.

>>8656482
[spoiler]That girl is a ghost.[/spoiler]

>>8656434
>When I was 11 and she was 15 I got actually straight shota'd by her. I have more early sexual experiences I could talk about too.
B L U E B O A R D

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>>8656504
Why is /lgbt/ a blue board in the first place? Seems like a terrible decision or maybe it's to prevent the amount of obscure pornography that would follow otherwise.

>>8655537
The only thing I'll do is lie about when I "knew" when I'm in medical settings. I say I've known since 14, when I actually didn't until I was 18.

Also I'm actually too ashamed to say I'm lesbian or straight, so I just say I'm bi (Pretty sure I'm straight now though).

>>8656508
Yeah it's to stop it becoming /hm/ or /shemale/.

>>8656577
Why lie about when you knew? And why are you ashamed of either sexuality?

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>>8656584
>Why lie about when you knew?
To seem more legitimate. In medical settings I'm paranoid I will be dismissed if I tell them I didn't know until 18 despite me knowing this is a very real feeling.

>And why are you ashamed of either sexuality?
Transbians have a HORRIBLE reputation, and TERFs made me hate myself and be ashamed of calling myself a lesbian.

As for feeling shame for being straight, it's an internalized fear of being androphilic that was drilled very deep into me throughout childhood. I'm worried when I tell others I will look like a gay man that likes to crossdress or something. I'm still having trouble accepting that I like guys.

And I've also realized that my sexuality only really fits the definition of "pseudohet", so that's a whole other thing to try to come to terms with because it makes me feel selfish.

>>8656606
>and TERFs made me hate myself and be ashamed of calling myself a lesbian.
>it's an internalized fear of being androphilic that was drilled very deep into me throughout childhood. I'm worried when I tell others I will look like a gay man that likes to crossdress or something.
I'm sorry anon. It's really sad that that happens to people.

Why does your sexuality only really fit 'pseudohet'?

>>8656617
>Why does your sexuality only really fit 'pseudohet'?
What >>8656465 said describes me very well. The part about "comparison between them and seeing myself as the feminine". So it's more accurate to say I'm more into how men make me feel than how they look.

>>8656632
That doesn't make you selfish though, not any more than any relationship. People date because they feel attracted to each other's bodies. They feel aroused at looks. That's not love of the person, which comes separately.

Meta-attraction is no different in being about your own feelings, it's just instead of your feelings of physical attraction to their bodies it's your feelings of AGP to their actions.

It's still just as much a selfish feeling either way and just as much irrelevant if you love them as a person either way. Like the other anon said in her previous post, as long as you're dating someone you actually know you love then it doesn't matter what your attraction is. It's nothing to feel selfish about.

You could even see it as truer love. Other people just like each other for their looks. You want something more personal, the interaction between the two of you. Which of those is the more base and shallow?

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>>8656642
You actually raise some really good points, thanks!

Still, I guess it would depend on the person. I don't think I'd want to be with someone who didn't find me very physically attractive, but that might just be the AGP speaking.

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>>8656642
I'm scared that if my attraction to guys is just meta-attraction that it makes me less legitimate.
Makes me feel as if my life was nothing more than just a fetish taken too far and I'm living in a delusion. It makes me think of all the hyperagp hons on Susan's and other places and I feel like I would be just one of them.
I think you have made a lot of good points though. I'm not able to tell if my attraction is meta or not, I made a post about it in /agpgen/ but didn't get many responses >>>8656258
but topic has been making me very depressed recently.

>>8656632
>"comparison between them and seeing myself as the feminine"

HSTs enjoy this aspect too, though. It's just not the reason for our attraction to men, merely an added bonus to it.

>>8656318
you never wanted to be like pretty girls on the TV or self-inserted as female chars in the books you've read?

>>8656434
I've had bdsm fantasies since very early childhood like 6 y/o. I new it was all bad and perverted so I repressed.

>>8656366
>be mixed race
>make everything a race issue
Hi Obama.

>>8656480
I started acting out in class(about 6th grade), refusing to do schoolwork and just goofing off and not giving a fuck. Eventually I got suspended from school and I just played computer games all day. I ended up getting put on drugs, getting counseling and being reintegrated into the school system. As I went through puberty I became depressed, anxious and awkward. Eventually I went on correspondence and gradually became a neet. The original reason I went off the rails was because a family member molested me and introduced me to porn and masturbation. Not to mention encouraged me to misbehave. Although I have to wonder how many issues would of just showed up on their own.

>>8657273
Nope not until much later. I wanted to be a lesbian when I viewed porn but thats about it. I do remember being fascinated by Sailor Moon when I saw it at a friends house though. Couldn't figure out why at the time.

>>8656632
>So it's more accurate to say I'm more into how men make me feel than how they look.
Okay, FtM here. That's how a very large number of cis women feel. How you guys don't get this is astonishing to me. It's like you all grew up with male-oriented porn, didn't realize it was bullshit, and really believe women are as sexual or as visual as men.

They're not. Holy shit. I mean, SOME are. But tons of women have very little interest in how guys look, and have very "reactive" sexualities where their fantasies involve being wanted and/or revolve around their partner's reactions and desires. Pre-T, I had quiet conversations with women about this, especially women who were into BDSM. I was friends with some doms, and we expressed mutual frustration that the way our sexuality "worked" was so reactive that it didn't seem to mesh well with being dominant (which is typically seen as very driven and pursuing). Some of this is hormonal though, I've been way much less like that since starting T.

It's just baffling to me how often you girls describe something that would sound normal to me coming from a cis woman and/or matches something I've heard from females growing up, and then you think there's something wrong with you.

This is literally as feminine as sexuality gets, ffs. Why would this upset you?

>>8656434
I'm not big into anime, but I'm terribly curious what the dangling thing is. Is that food?

>>8659171
>Is that food?
Yes, food. It's literally just a somewhat-triangular ball of rice partly covered with a small sheet of dried seaweed. The ball of rice may contain flavored, shredded fish or chicken. It's considered food on the go.

>>8656799
meta-attraction and fetish contexts are bullshit

i have had sex with a handful of guys and thought agp was some absolute neuroses that controlled me. im bi, and that makes it more uncertain; doubting my attraction to guys but then there i am aroused and excited by sexual contact. well after having all that sex i realized agp is probably just narcissism crashing into uncontrolled repression of gay thoughts id had for years. in other words: a narcissistic complex where the only natural way you can have sex with men is by integrating transgenderism into the mix and using agp as an excuse since it means truly deep down (lol) youre not "gay." when you cant pinpoint your own self-obsessed self image dysphoria and sexual development's origins because they got intertwined, you start fantasizing about an ideal expression of both

its easy to say "its meta-attraction" but in reality it is real attraction youve been suppressing into a special category because you develop stigma to gayness. but youre a woman. it isnt gay. everyone just makes up their own coping mechanisms. fetish is just abnormal sexual fixation; in reality agp is more like a suppressed sexual orientation and when you embrace that you become liberated like the HSTS stereotype. i mean look at all the agp shame people here have: its all because they want to push their sexual orientation into a fetish box to be hidden and stigmatized further into a kind of control and submission

tl;dr agp is just narcissistic rage over accepting ones real orientation

>>8657284
good thing you did.

>>8659171
This is kinda why I think why both sides of the political aisle hate trannies. Society loves to tell itself white lies particularly in regard to gender dynamics and sexuality. They aren't willing to be brutally honest about things whereas trannies by nature have no choice but to be, and when they call it like it is they just get shit on and told they are the delusional ones...

>>8659171
AGP isn't something wrong.

>>8659523
AGP isn't a fetish.

>>8655537
i have no clue what i am. told my mom i wanted to have babies like her when i was 4 or 5. would wear her clothes and try peeing sitting down like her in 1st and 2nd grade. Get relentlessly mocked by family and hide everything. Crossdress all the way through college. Try horomoes 2x before 30 and freak out each time and stop. no relationships last more than a month because i can't seem to think about being with them long term. Only penetrated 1 girl but once the physical cuddling and making out stopped, i wasn't aroused and limp dicked her, did not like.Get fit and in shape, try and get as big as possible. Can't want to be a ghirl fi i'm a tank. Get fit but never happy with my body. Consider steroids to make me even bigger. Why can't my parents have taken all the signs that i was fucked up and taken me to a therapist?!? They know i stole their clothes to wear. every year i was a chick for halloween. I was caught multiple times stealing clothes and shoes and nothing was done. Raised with conservative values/family have helped me repress this so long. i hate myself for wanting to be this way. =(
not even sure of my gender, how can i even know my sexuality at 33?

>>8665364
actually read my post before knee-jerk replying

>>8655537
Go stealth and then you won't have to lie to people about it because it'll never come up.

>t. Fellow Post transition agp tranny

>>8665442
>i have no clue what i am
>I was caught multiple times stealing clothes and shoes

I would say you're a thief

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>>8665811
They would get them back! If i knew I couldnt get them back without getting caught i would put the clothes somewhere weird as hell because my ferret was notorious for stashing stuff.