/tgg/ Trans Girl General

>>8592690
>How the fuck does one shave one's back?

epilator or electric razor/trimmer
also being flexible helps

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>>8575089
>Idiot.
I'm not the one out of touch with reality. Here's the latest example for you: >>8579355. I'm curious how many you need to reconnect with reality.

Have you even thought why trans women take anti-androgens? They're literally the opposite of hormones taken by cis women to build a thick body. This is why none of you will ever be a quality female.

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>>8593197
Does OP picture accurately reflect trans women's concept of womanhood?

>>8595127
is that like dead in a pool of water?

thats where i want to be

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>>8595187
So maybe people like you are not the best example for aspiring women? So why do you set the tone for them?

The purpose of 4chan trans threads is misleading trans women into self-destruction under the guise of support. It's a little Nazi eugenics project.

>>8595074
>tfw my arms are thinner than most of the females I've met
>tfw my hands aren't the smallest but still very small for a biological male

>>8595074
if a cis female works out and experiences a testosterone boost she doesnt suddenly get shitty skin, grow thick facial hair, lose her tits, develop MPB, etc

i want to be fit and well toned too, but Im still going on HRT before gaining to gain it in a more female way. The testosterone I produce naturally is far more potent than a fit woman's production so obviously Im going to nuke that to become feminine in appearance before i let it naturally surge again, sporadically, through workouts

>>8596212
Not sure I understand what you're trying to tell me by that image. The femininity on the left is clearer skin, smoother hair, and boobs. Because I produce so much testosterone and so little estrogen as a biological male, I need HRT to gain the features. This isn't counter productive to working out and getting fit, it allows me to gain female features.

>>8596226
>left
lmao, confused it. on the right*

>>8595127
That is the ideal female body. You may not like it, but this is peak performance.

>>8596300
>One is that men who don't take extra testosterone have less muscles than athletic women. So stop flattering yourself.

Men who do not take extra testosterone will have more muscle growth than women who also do not take extra testosterone. I'm not "flattering myself", it's a biological fact that men produce roughly 10x the amount of testosterone than women. Orchiectomy solves that mostly.

>Another is that people like you seek every excuse to become asexual instead of feminine.
What has that got to do with anything? I wasn't talking about sex or femininity, I was saying that taking AAs isn't counter productive to being fit, since they serve to help breast development, fat redistribution to female levels, etc. Can you elaborate on how asexuality is relevant to this?

I'm not white and I have no idea why you're bringing that up either.

>>8596427
>she still has bigger muscles than normal men
Yes, because she works out more than normal men. I said growth, not mass. Biological men produce 10x more testosterone than women and thus have more *growth* capability. If they sit on their ass like most men do, of course women will overtake them.

>Anti-androgens have turned your mind white.
I'm not taking AAs yet, I've booked an appointment with my endocrinologist soon. This has nothing to do with race. I like thick women, I plan on becoming muscly, athletic with a round butt, that is my preferred aesthetic. This is a social standard, not genetic (race).

My problem here is your post was equating the want for AAs with the want for a weak body. The implication you're making here is

>trans girl wants AAs
>trans girl AAs cause loss of muscle mass
>therefore trans girls think loss of muscle mass = femininity
>therefore taking AAs is representitive of poor concept of femininity

I'm disputing that by saying the effect wanted by AAs is breast development, skin changes and miscellaneous mental changes females experience. The moment I'm able to get an orchi, I will, so I can work out even harder.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I finallt met with a transgender health specialist, showed them my paper trail of hormone usage and gender therapy stuff since I was 15 and told them I want my breasts removed after I finish my FFS and they were totally cool with it!

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>>8596487
>Failed women have 10x less testosterone than failed men.
1. And how is this relevant to trans women?
2. Failed women aren't women.
3. Failed women need MORE testosterone, not less, to match the level of Serena Williams.
4. Serena Williams has probably more testosterone than you.
5. Low testosterone doesn't make anyone more feminine.

>I plan on becoming muscly, athletic with a round butt.
6. By blocking testosterone?
>inb4 no, DESPITE blocking testosterone
7. If you don't have that kind of body already, what makes you think that you will get it after you start blocking testosterone?

>>8596318
>What has that got to do with anything? I wasn't talking about sex or femininity.
8. What's a trans woman without femininity?
9. In case you didn't know, anti-androgens also kill sexuality.

>>8596651
>5. Low testosterone doesn't make anyone more feminine.
This is like, the entire basis of why you're wrong. Removing testosterone allows men to grow boobs. How do you expect me to grow boobs (a feminine feature) without anti androgens

>>8595127
it's just a peaceful picture, calm down

Somebody confirm this. >>8597488
I'm dying here...

>>8596300
>There are too many things I'm trying to say by that picture to list them all. That's why I posted a picture instead of talking.
Doesn't that just mean you're incapable of properly expressing yourself?

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>>8597083
>Removing testosterone allows men to grow boobs. How do you expect me to grow boobs (a feminine feature) without anti androgens
Maybe like Serena Williams and other high-testosterone women with big breasts? Or like those male bodybuilders who fail to include ancillary anti-estrogens in their steroid stack?

>>8597176
>OP picture is totally incidental
>trans women of 4chan don't fetishise prepubescent females at all
>also death is peace
Hiding toxicity behind dishonesty.

>>8598040
>ANIME ON /lgbt/ OH NO

your attempt to force this meme is halfassed, try harder tomorrow pedosexualfag

>>8593197
how do i become transgender? i want to be legaly a woman.
Do you have any guides or anything that can tell me how to do it in like easy steps?

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>>8595833

>>8597904
they dont have as much testosterone as a male hence why even female bodybuilders have boobs and normal men dont. do you expect me to just suddenly grow boobs through willpower? AAs actually change receptor production.

>>8599518
i never said muscles are for men, nor did i say muscles are a masculine feature. Breasts, MPB, male bone development and structure and male fat redistribution are. AAs must be taken to reverse these effects or stop further development and are not particularly counter productive to muscle development.

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>>8599843
>Breasts, MPB, male bone development and structure and male fat redistribution are masculine features.
Yes.

>AAs must be taken to reverse these effects or stop further development
No. Femininity is more than just absence of masculinity; anti-androgens are only mildly effective at stopping masculine features; in any case, their side effects vastly exceed their benefits.

>and are not particularly counter productive to muscle development.
This is particulartly wrong. Testosterone is the be all and end all of lean body mass. Without it, your muscle mass will revert to that of OP picture (drowned loli). So will your sex drive and mental health. You'll turn into an oppressive feminist or an oppressive nationalist (if you aren't one already) and sadomasochistic fantasies will take place of your sexuality. In other words, you'll become a typical user of 4chan. Is that your idea of femininity?

>i never said muscles are for men, nor did i say muscles are a masculine feature.
Yeah, you only say that testosterone is. As if that isn't synonymous.

>>8598937
1. see therapist
2. get hormones
3. live full time
4. change gender
step 4 might require a step 5, which is genital surgery which requires completion of step 3 for an adequate amount of time
hope i helped

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>>8599819
>they dont have as much testosterone as a male
How? Their muscles are bigger than most men's. Are your muscles bigger than hers? If not, then you don't need to worry about excessive testosterone. In fact, the opposite is likely: you need MORE testosterone to become a woman like her (the best a woman can be).

>hence why even female bodybuilders have boobs and normal men don't.
Did you read my post? I wrote that male bodybuilders with 10x the normal level of testosterone grow female breasts. It's so contradictory to everything that you want to believe that your mind is apparently incapable of registering it.

>>8600799
Therapist is not supposed to help men who want to be women, he's supposed to help women who don't want to be men. Am I wrong?

>>8600879
thats the same thing in the eyes of the medical community afaik

>>8593197
anyone know how to get a chest xray fast?

>>8601101
Why do you need it? Some private hospital or something I guess. It's going to cost a lot though.

Worried about lung collapsing during surgery?

>tfw to retarded too learn how to shape nails and eyebrows and millions of other girl stuff

>>8601746
i need one for the doctor to accept surgery
i dont have time to get on a huge wiating list and explain to a doctor what i'm doing and hope he doesnt say "Yoink to your no insurance co pay, now go fuck yourself because I hate trannies"

>>8601880
>tfw too closeted to transition so I just practice little things like shaping my nails and eyeliner in private

>>8602003
If it's privately funded I don't think any insurance is going to pay for it, so you'll have to pay for the scan yourself.

I've previously managed to get a "government" doctor to prescribe me blood samples, so that it was free. Last time, I couldn't get one, so the blood samples cost something like $150.

You might have to find a different surgeon who doesn't require an xray of your lungs... But if you're in a risk group, that might result you dieing during surgery.

>Watching doctor who
>s10e04
>They're in a creepy house, thunder, and night
I can't do this, I need a bf for this.

>>8602188
>tfw the Doctor transitions before you do

>>8600848
They dont though.

http://www.healthline.com/health/low-testosterone/testosterone-levels-by-age#adolescence3

Please read this. Because of testicles, men produce more testosterone than women.

Testosterone doesn't = muscle mass. It can provide benefits if you work out to gain muscle mass. But of course I as a male will have more testosterone, despite not using it to gain muscle. Testosterone doesnt mean muscle mass. And no, male bodybuilders dont just grow female boobs unprompted, that's ridiculous lmao

>>8602315
following up
http://www.femalemojo.com/blog/do-female-bodybuilders-use-testosterone/

Excessive Levels Of Testosterone In The Body Can Lead To A Myriad Of Side Effects Such As The Following

Deepening and Hoarseness of Voice
Male Pattern Baldness
Abnormal and Painful Menstrual Cycles
Decrease in Breast Size
Increase in Facial and Body Hair
acne and pimples Acne and Pimples
Mood Changes
Liver Problems
Permanent Halting of Growth
Heart Disease and Strokes
Increased Aggression

Notice these are almost entirely male features? These are *naturally* produced features in men, because of our high testosterone. Females have to actually take testosterone if they want to become literal bodybuilders, they dont risk half these side effects because they take testosterone in short, controlled bursts. This is literally the same reason why a female-to-male transitioner injects purely testosterone to transition.

There is no viable way for a trans woman to transition to female without taking AAs, at least until they get an orchi to stop regular production. This does *not* inhibit you from gaining any or even decent muscle mass, only the absolute top, competetitive bodybuilders must take it (shown in article linked). Trans women are highly capable of working out and getting thicc while on AAs, just as regular women are without test supplements.

>>8602339
and another follow up:

AAs slowly atrophy the testicles and can semi-permanently slow testosterone production. After some months on HRT, it is very possible to lower your AA dosages to bring your testosterone levels up to around female bodybuilder levels if you wish to do so. The initial nuke brings you from male levels down to female levels, female bodybuilders produce slightly more, even more so if they take testosterone (but still not as high as any biological male). This control would be the same levels as a female taking minor test injections to gain muscle, but still lower enough to smooth out the skin, grow breasts, remove baldness, etc.

This is why trans women are capable of gaining muscle mass and/or becoming thick, and why AAs do not prevent this, only somewhat hinder it *compared to a male*. By taking AAs you are lowering your own gains to regular female levels.

>>8602355
And lastly, if female body builders all had higher testosterone than the average male, they'd all have extremely deep and raspy voices, half would be bald, their breasts messed up, rapid growth of hair, rough skin, beard, etc. Surely you can see that a female who takes enough testosterone to have the levels a man does is one that would transition to male.

Further evidenced by the high amount of slanky, scrawny, bearded transitioned female to males. They take more testosterone than bodybuilders produce or take, and thus have deeper voices, thicker beards, rougher skin. They're still skinny and tiny because they dont *use the testosterone to work out*. Testosterone = male features + potential muscle growth (read, potential, not actual). Thus AAs are not counter productive.

>>8602400
>Further evidenced by the high amount of slanky, scrawny, bearded transitioned female to males.
I can't answer to all your posts right now but take note that trans men nuke their female hormones, don't they? So no reason to blame testosterone for their masculinity.

>>8602960
> trans men nuke their female hormones, don't they?
No, they do not. Testosterone is entirely the cause of their male-hood. Testosterone is a male hormone, produced at 10x higher rates in biological men (bodybuilder or scrawny nerd alike), that causes male features.

http://www.ftmguide.org/ttherapybasics.html

>>8602960
>>8603033
An easy way to think of it is like this:

testosterone is an anti-feminizer
testosterone is also a masculinizer
estrogen is only a feminizer
with testosterone, estrogen wont feminize

Anyone else hate summer? I've had it with the heat and especially the humidity. The burning sun is evil. Ugh.

Now fall is pure heaven. Nice, dry, crisp air but not too cold either. The sun is low enough that I can actually stand to be out in it. I can't wait!

>>8603692
Yeah, it sucks, though it's only bad for a couple of weeks each summer. Most of the time it's very tolerable.

>>8603692
>ywn get to spend summer walking on beaches and cool shaded woods as a cis girl in nothing but a swimsuit or a sundress, carefree and happy

>>8603692
winter is best season, never hot, no insects, sun goes down early, crisp air, room is never hot, i am never sweaty, being outside is ok

>>8593197
>tfw i have convinced 2 trans girls in a week to stop repressing and go on skittles
D E V I L I S H
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>>8604200
I wish it were only a couple of weeks here, but the humidity gets brutal from the last half of June through early September. We get some breaks but not enough.

>>8604948
thats pretty hot

>>8604948
No-one will ever convince me.

>>8604948
Were you helping out with Amy? I was encouraging her.

>decide against shaving this morning
>wear skinny jeans and a button down guy shirt
>hair down to my collar bone
>perpetual boymode
>go to lunch
>"can I help you ma'am?"
I've failed boymode plenty before but like heck I didn't even shave this morning and he was looking right at me
like I have red hair so maybe that was it but still ?????

>>8602400
Ftms have a hard time getting big because they spent their developmental years without testosterone. They will never grow the twitch fibers males have, and mtfs will never lose theirs. Mtfs will always be stronger than cis women of their same proportions.

>>8605003
they call me daddy now. it's pretty sweet
>>8605010
you just need a real man to show you who you are on the inside. come to the dark side! we have dickings and cuddles
>>8605013
no, not her. and do you mean encouraging her repression or transition?

>>8605062
Encouraging transition. I was sincere about wanting to help. The whole Amy/Spartan thing was unhealthy. I hope she doesn't go through that again.

>>8605074
>The whole Amy/Spartan thing
ohhhh, her. i've never spoken to her but i feel bad for her. she seems so back and forth and self hating, but i think you're doing the right thing. all it took for me to convince the girls to transition was giving them some love and support, so maybe Amy is having trouble because she doesn't have any support or love irl pushing her in the right direction?
hope she dedicates herself to transition

>>8605021
fuck you

>>8605095
I don't know what's going on with her irl support, but I do hope this time sticks. Even that obnoxious curehon said she should transition.

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>>8605120
>when even cureanon tells you to get on the skittles
hory sheet. Spartan is truest trans

>>8605031
>twitch fibers
>omg mom I found a new word
>I'm gonna go and harass "trannies" with this!!!
Just fuck off.

Why are you even here?

>>8605062
I do want dickings and cuddles...

>>8603692
Is that why you live in Florida?

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>>8603033
If it were true, female bodybuilders would automatically be trans men. (Sure, some are, but only those most desperate or misled by their trainers.)

>>8605326
No, Ohio

>>8605140
me too, that would be awesome

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>tfw boy you're seeing calls you cute
>tfw finally got endo letter from therapist
all it took was some sadd at last session
is emotional manipulation trutrans?

>>8605558
No, it's "figuring out female privilege"

>>8605497
Ohai!

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No amount of anti-androgens will give you this.

It will give you the opposite though.

(Proof? Literally every single one of you.)

>>8605799
I don't want a butt like that tbqh.

>>8605357
>If it were true, female bodybuilders would automatically be trans men.
That's not what I'm saying. Female bodybuilders still don't have enough testosterone to grow male features. Yes, they have higher testosterone than the average women, a little more, and a little more if they use testosterone artificially (those at the top 10%). But they still have less testosterone than men, so they dont transition to male.

>>8605031
that's not really relevant to what im saying at all. in fact it sounds like you agree with me basically - almost all MtFs cannot transition without AAs, and AAs dont stop you from being /fit/ because testosterone in such high amounts is unnecessary.

>>8605799
testosterone is not the reason she is able to get a butt like that. Read what I sent you - females still have lower testosterone than males. Typically MtFs on one month of AAs reach about the level of female bodybuilder testosterone actually, sometimes 2-3 months.

>>8606229
>AAs dont stop you from being /fit/ because testosterone in such high amounts is unnecessary.
What if you've had SRS or an orchi?

>>8606250
Ye ye, you can basically think of that as permenant AAs without the side effects and being more controlled. Like, obviously all the thick women being posted here have no balls either. SRS/Orchi is much better than AAs because it's more controlled, often cheaper long term, no side effects (kidney damage, liver damage, depression from cypro, etc). Same thing, just permenantly stops your constant male production of testosterone.

My point here is that testosterone *does* help muscle potential, but only a little bit. That's why female bodybuilders at the absolute top, with MASSIVE arm muscles much bigger than anything posted here so far take testosterone, but they take smaller amounts than even an FtM does. Low test doesnt stop you from gaining muscle or thickness, and test does not give you muscle nor thickness. That's exactly why all men have higher test than all women (any biological male without orchi/srs/AAs), and still can and often are weaker, smaller, more fragile despite their high test.

>>8605799
>(Proof? Literally every single one of you.)
Also this is unbelievably stupid. Everyone here is a stick figure because they sit on their ass all day and do nothing but shitpost, testosterone, AAs, orchi/SRS regardless. The women you post dont get big because of test, they get big because they dont shitpost on 4chan but actually hit the gym and work out all day despite their low test.

>>8606265
I was thinking that after orchi/SRS you'd basically have no testosterone. Even ciswomen would have more.

>>8606288
Nah, think you should have about the same levels, because there are still the same few androgen producers that women also have in your body (adrenal glands come to mind).

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>>8605799
that looks fake as hell

>>8605799
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_body_shape#Fat_distribution

>Estrogens cause higher levels of fat to be stored in a female body than in a male body. They also affect body fat distribution, causing fat to be stored in the buttocks, thighs, and hips in women

Notice how all the butts you're posting are fat/thicc/juicy and not muscly like a man's butt? That's because of estrogen, redistributing fat to that area. Testosterone counters estrogen production, preventing fat distribution like in these pictures.

Using this knowledge, and the fact that AAs cause estrogen to be the "dominant" hormone in an MtFs body (just like a lack of balls cause it to be the dominant over test in a woman's body) by nuking testosterone production, we can easily conclude taking AAs will in fact be *beneficial* to having a butt like that, because it will encourage female fat distribution.

annnd proof of conclusion:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiandrogen#Side_effects

>In males, the major side effects of antiandrogens are demasculinization and feminization. These side effects include breast pain/tenderness and gynecomastia, reduced body hair growth/density, decreased muscle mass and strength, feminine changes in fat mass and distribution, and reduced penile length and testicular size.

>>8606366
and finally, on the note of
>decreased muscle mass and strength
How to counter this, like all the fit women do? (because they dont have male test production). Hit the gym instead of shitposting once you're on AAs. Wanna be a bodybuilder but keep feminization? Get an orchi.

Could you all just stop replying to that person whatever they're talking about?

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>>8606283
>Everyone here is a stick figure only because they sit on their ass all day and shitpost. Nothing to do with lack of testosterone.
Hmm, let's see... Both of these women spend the same amount of time in the gym. But only one of them is a cis woman... and it shouldn't be too hard to guess which (by looking at the muscles).

>>8606534
What, can you prove that? At all? Obviously the person with better muscles is the one who spends more time working out, why do you think FtMs stay skinny despite higher test? Test =/= muscle mass. I've linked you a ton of articles on this and your defense is literally just a blurry picture of some people and a claim without evidence?

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>>8606521
>When our arguments fail, let's resort to brigading and censorship.
Good to see old 4chan methods never die.

>>8606652
>What, can you prove that? At all?
Her Instagram has ample record of her gym activity. She does little else in life.

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>>8606652
In fact, she considers herself a fitness model.

>>8606670
>Good to see old 4chan methods never die.
You're flooding this general with shit, that nobody can be bothered reading.

Go to /mtfg/ instead, or make your own thread.
I'm going to start report every single of your post, and I hope others do it too.

>>8606675
>>8606670
Ok. So let me get this straight. Despite overwhelming evidence (that is, actual scientific studies), proving anti androgens increase fat feminization, testosterone only increases muscle potential, showing testosterone levels in women to be lower due to biology, both wikipedia articles on the female body and AAs backing me up on that, you are showing me one singular instagram fitness model who isn't particularly fit, and your proof that the reason she isn't fit is because "she posts pictures of herself in a gym"? You need to show me her blood test results, or similar. What the flying fuck does your sample size of one anecdote do to disprove literally anything? Where are you adressing any of my posts or links?

Just change your shitpost method from "Stop taking AAs" to "Stop being a lazy ass". It's okay to admit you're wrong in some regards.

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>>8606366
>a man's butt
>muscly
No such thing. Pic related.

>>8606339
>that looks fake as hell
Doesn't change the fact that you won't be able to get even near there without testosterone (or plastic surgery).

>>8606042
>I don't want a butt like that tbqh.
Then don't call yourself "a woman".

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>>8606366
>those butts
>fat/thicc/juicy and not muscly
Thicc ≠ fat. Otherwise "thicc" would be just called "fat". You're an anatomy idiot and this alone explains your gender misconceptions.

>AAs cause estrogen to be the "dominant" hormone.
Trans lore. Estrogen clearly doesn't need to be "dominant" to work.

>We can easily conclude taking AAs will in fact be *beneficial* to having a butt like that, because it will encourage female fat distribution.
Estrogen without testosterone can only result in fat without muscles. That's a Kim Kardashian butt. None of my women look like Kim Kardashian and you are showing your ignorance of anatomy by equating those two types. Kim Kardashian is not thicc.

>>8606787
that looks like a full diaper she's wearing

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>>8606792
Thank you.

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>>8606728
Sorry, the anon who rules /lgbt/ doesn't allow me to answer you any more. I don't want to get banned.

>>8593197
This gen became not peaceful.

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>>8606787
>Thicc ≠ fat. Otherwise "thicc" would be just called "fat"
But it contains fat. I'm not calling her overweight, Im saying it is made up predominantly of fat and not muscle.

https://musclewiki.org/

>Estrogen without testosterone can only result in fat without muscles
Where's your proof of that? I've already shown you links, you need to actually prove something against my claims lmao, post some links of women that have higher than male testosterone and link that to muscle development, for example.
I'm not talking about kim kardashian. That has nothing to do with it.

You keep saying trans lore, but you're not actually looking at the links I provided? You dont need testosterone to gain muscle, and estrogen causes fat redistribution. Testosterone increases potential. I'm not saying the people are overweight, Im saying the butts are objectively made up of fat (a material), as that wiki article explains.

>>8606779
>Doesn't change the fact that you won't be able to get even near there without testosterone (or plastic surgery).
Prove it. Post a scientific explanation with verified sources that dispute the ones I have posted, that shows you must have higher testosterone to gain any muscle, and prove that the butts you have posted are actually made up of muscle and not fat distributed by estrogen.

naive poster here

lately i have seen a lot of people talking about long faces
what exactly does this mean? like, does it mean your parts of your face like eyes, nose, etc. are spaced far apart from eachother on your face canvas?

and is it a good thing to have the opposite of that for female passing?

>>8606840
>complains about state of general
>is using a tripcode on the general specifically created to avoid trips and interpersonal drama
lmao

is it bad to be friends with people who don't see you as a girl? They still treat you with respect, take your Trans stuff seriously, care abot you and so on, they just don't see you as a Girl, whether or not their viewpoint changes I don't know.

A month on blockers and a fortnight on estro. Feels nice. :3

>>8606799
It's not on topic. Whatever the shit you're talking about fits on /fit/ or it's own thread

>>8606229
By the way, >>8605357 and >>8605031 are entirely different anons. One says MTFs are stronger than cis women, the other says the opposite.

>>8607007
>take it to /fit/
1. Will you take your HRT discussions to >>>/a/ if I take mine to /fit/?
2. I'm not going to go to /fit/ for your whim only to be told to go to /lgbt/ again.
3. Our anti-androgens conversation isn't about fitness, it's about femininity.

>>8606728
>you are showing me one singular instagram fitness model who isn't particularly fit
>What the flying fuck does your sample size of one anecdote do to disprove literally anything?
In fact, MY sample size is YOUR sample size: there's no such thing as "athletic trans women" and people like you are responsible for it. It's not my fault that the only famous testosterone-free athlete in the world is that frail trans model from Instagram. The small sample size is itself a proof that I am right. It's your burden to find those "crowds" of female trans athletes to prove me wrong. I know literally 6 in the whole world... of which 4 use testosterone. And that's still more than you... as you can't name even one. Real life proves me right.

>Where are you adressing any of my posts or links?
You ask me to read the whole Internet first before talking to you. I don't need to do this. A quick glimpse though reveals that there's nothing in your links that I hadn't answered already. And especially nothing to support your claim that women can grow muscles without testosterone. You're trying to shut me up with lots of irrelevant text.

>>8606681
>You're flooding this general
It's called "being active user" in my language. It's not against rules. I'm not stopping anyone from being more active than me. You, however, are.

>>8606944
That's really up to you. How long have you been on HRT? Maybe they will change over time.

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repost
Long over due greentext
>be 24 yo kissless, handholdless, dateless virgin just out of uni
>see qt mtf on tinder in may
>swipe up
>we match
>take her out to dinner
>turns out shes only visiting family and leaving to go cross country to the same place I've been applying to a ton of jobs for since like feburary
>we talk a lot about games and random stuff, shes super intelligent and talented
>talk about 4chan and how she shits up the place as well
>get along really well
>end up walking around town holding hands
>end up making out in a parking garage amongst other cheeky things
>tells me i have to greentext this
>we sit and talk for awhile but gotta split
>said she could try and sneak outta her aunts and do more cheeky shit in my car
>sit outside like a high schooler, but her crazy aunt wont let her out for anything
>overall 10/10 night desu
>said we'd keep in touch and play vidya together
>barely responds to anything
>still looking for a job, hopefully up there

desu, i know it was one night, and we didnt fug, but still. miss ya. heres the gt i owe you.

>>8608270
>replying to the shit head
Am I doing it right?

>tfw it's impossible to cum unless something is in my butt now

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I really need some support, the dysphoria is unbearable.
I just headed into bed, and looking at my junk alone when i was undressing was enough to get me to tears. I can't stand looking at it. I punched it, spit on it, took 20 mg of valium and now im lying in my bed, crying. Fuck :(

>>8608890
i know those feels famalam
as long as you are transitioning or on your way to just take comfort in the fact that you are doing something about it

>>8608890
Cut your balls off, lol.

>>8608895
Thank you ;_;
I just don't want anymore of this, I hate being trans, why did this happen to me, how can I make it stop? It hurts so much.

>>8608915
I already had an prchi and am on HRT / out since 2013. Passing was never an issue, parents and siblings love me more than ever...

>>8608890
crowdfund your SRS tbqh
crowdfunding is the united states healthcare

>>8608917
yep, thats life...
fucking sucks

>>8609094
What would make anyone pledge money?

>>8609163
claim its for cancer treatment or something, then just shell them all out to suporn

>>8609189
>>8609094
I would never do such a thing

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>>8608890
Off-topic. Hating dick ≠ being trans gender. No real woman would react like this if she woke up with a penis one day... not even lesbian. A real woman would be delighted if it happened. (Pic relevant.) Dick haters need to stop hijacking /lgbt/.

>>8609381
How would you know how a woman would react if she woke up with a penis? Why would you think it's bad for a transwoman to not want a penis?

>>8609436
She didn't say it's bad, she just said how trans women feel about their bodies is not how real women would if they were male.

>>8609490
Answer the question

>>8593197
Are there any apps like grindr por Hornet for tgirls and chasers?

>>8609490
We really have no way to know how cis women would react, do we?

>>8610074
i am sure there is some kind of experiment that is possible to do that would tell us, no one would do it though

>>8609490
impying she has any idea how would "real woman feel" in that situation
they have no fucking idea what dysphoria is and is clouded by penis envy


>hurr durr why do f2ms hate their bodies and mutilate themselves to get rid of breasts
>is not how real men would feel if they had boobs
oh wait, men hate getting boobs and surgically remove them

just back from road trip w friendss, real great time, real bad for a second when all the cis women talked abt contraception methods for ~an hour,

>>8608890
>punched it, spit on it
howwww
feminine

>>8610188
Yeah, girls never punch things or spit on people!

wait...

>>8610200
how would spitting on yr junk not make your dysphoria worse? like you'd be a hundred times more conscious of it then, with all the moisture and things soaking it, and it being in pain from punching it - why don't girls ever THINK? huh

wait lol i thought it was on mtfg

>>8610181
That's the kind of conversation that gets tricky when you're stealth.

>>8609436
Don't reply to the shit head.

>>8609381
Is quite obviously the same retard who's been flooding this thread for over 2 weeks. Ignore him, and maybe he fucks off to /pol/ or some other /lgbt/ thread

>>8611229
>Talking is flooding except when we talk.
>When our arguments fail, let's resort to brigading and censorship.
The shadow government of 4chan strikes back.

Psychiatrist recommended me psychotherapy, does anyone have experience what's it like?

After like a year of active questioning and 22 years of what can only be described as dysphoria and repression, I'm still going "is this a phase?" Is that normal? Should I just get on with it and come out and get my Skittles?

>>8611560
Psychotherapy to treat what?

>>8612090
I don't know about normal but I've been sitting on my questioning for a couple of years now. Has it ever gone away for you? I had a few months there where I sort of stopped thinking about it and believed that I moved on but then it came back lol

I think you should definitely take some steps towards transitioning, even though I'm not. See a therapist.

>>8612099
I've never really had lapses in thinking about it. I just move between absolutely sure and more uncertain. Admittedly hanging around this board is unhelpful half the time.

>>8612109
Yeah I think about it every day now too. Not like, actively, but it just affects how I think of everything basically. So if I think of something unrelated that could happen years from now I'll picture myself as having transitioned. It's gotten to the point where sometimes I have to be careful about the way I phrase sentences because it might sound weird to others if I talk about men in the third person or women in first person.

Anyway, I don't really have any advice for you because I'm in the same boat. Hopefully someone else responds with something helpful.

>>8612125
Yeah, I've had that a few times. My internal monologue using female pronouns or a girl name in place of my own. I guess I should probably jump on the DIY train.

>>8612098
Because i think it's shameful to be trans,

>>8611560
>>8612141
get a new therapist, preferably one who isn't going to ruin your life

>>8612143
It's the only one i can go to

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Lonely mtf looking for a gf or a "good friend"
Preferably asian or white, I'm asian myself.
SoCal, LA

I'm so fucking lonely and bored and I live in a meme slav country :(

>>8612272
which one?
maybe we could be friends you know...

>>8612292
poland

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>>8612342
I'm not slav myself but we're pretty much neighbours.
It would be nice to have more trans friends to talk about trans stuff.
How old are you?

>>8612357
19. do you have discord?

>>8593197
I ain't gay but isla is cute no homo

>>8612357
anyway, if you do, here's mine: Lenny#2340

Dated a guy for a few months never took me to meet his friends when I knew that he was there and he could have taken me with him also but no instead I was suppose to be in home and be a taboo not to talk about and later I did find out that he never ever talked to his friends that he was dating with me. Glad it´s over with that chaaaser ~~

maybe the reason i have linebacker shoulders, a huge jaw, and am completely covered in hair is god's way of saying "you want it you fucking work for it"
or perhaps is a sign i should an hero

>>8612472
people like this are fucking terrible, i'm sorry

>>8612478
it's the former. don't an hero even if you think you'll never make it, just save for surgeries if you need em and in meanwhile make an effort to pass, whatever it means for you and your body

t. lazy as fuck twinkhon who only passes when she puts an effort into it

>>8612511
everyone thinks im 30
i've had 40 year old mums hit on me
ive had a beard since 14 and haven't once been asked for an id since 16
i dont want to be "a big strong man" anymore but i just keep getting so damn depressed and eating
its not fair

>>8593197
Have any of you tried dating trans men before? What's the easiest way to meet some?

>>8612565
??????

Any of you trannies like girls?

>>8612565
Actually sounds like a great idea. Trans men and trans women should just date each other.

>>8612597
I know there are some on OKC and even on grindr but I live in a rural area so I haven't had much luck here :/

>>8612584
I'm mostly ace but I find girls qt and would love to have a gf one day so yeah(?)

>>8612597
>implying heterotrans women like trans men, who are mostly feminine af

>>8612537
i'm not gonna lie to you that it'll be ok regardless of your actions, but i really do believe that no matter how you look, even if you're the most manly dude on earth rn, after a few years on hrt, ffs AND with a lot of effort (including your diet and exercise), you can at least look passable. i dunno where you are in transition but srsly start from small steps like changing your eating habits. get into therapy (not necessarily gender-related one) if you don't have other people to process your feelings with, and simply live

am i still trans if i dont want bottom surgery

>>8612625
yess, as long as you want the tiddies

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>tfw people posting with anime girls make me feel like transitioning would make me a cute fun anime girl but I keep forgetting that none of you are like that in real life, and that even most real girls can't even manage that

This place is like a giant fucking succubus trying to tempt me into ruining my life. I just wanted to be a cute anime girl.

>>8612631
I do want the tiddies
And hips
And a cute voice
I just like fuckin things

>>8612633
Stop watching anime. Problem solved. What's up with people wanting to change gender because of anime? It's just cartoons.

>>8612674
Because everything is perfect and happy and cute and I want to be just like them. There isn't a better reason.

>>8612674
It's because anime has an excessive amount of degeneracy in it. Cute cat boy girls here and perverted people there, it's not nice. The conservative Japanese government should've caught on to it and made set in stone regulations on that stuff sooner. Now they can only try to use it as propaganda for their army.

>>8612603
are you me

>>8593197
10/10 would rape

>>8612836
are you slav? if so, we're the same person. we're ONE

>>8612849
nah, I'm you're amerifat cousin though

>>8612855
>you're
thanks autocorrect

My measurements are 42/27/36.

What do I do? I'm 6'1 and have a BMI of 19. It's been 10 months and my measurements haven't changed. I just want to have a feminine body..

>>8612472
>Glad it´s over with that chaaaser ~~
Maybe if you were passable, he wouldn't need to choose between hiding you in the closet and getting murdered for dating a tranny.

do any of you not wear makeup on a regular basis? i'd love to learn how to look more feminine without makeup, having it on my face only makes me feel weird, even though it helps me pass

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If I keep browsing a guys profile on okc everyday, eventually hell message me right? I don't wanna make the first move, I want him to do everything...

fitness models are disgusting, girls should be feminine

Yo I can deadlist 200 bro

I don't care what you can deadlift, you filthy ape.

I like my women submissive

>>8610158
Well there are XX males and they experience severe dysphoria, I feel like that is as close as we can get

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>>8593197
>go to my weekly dnd meetup
>taking a ride there with one of the buddies who i play with
>transgenderism comes up
>"oh yeah, what's that like for you?"
>I had never told him or any of my friends I was trans.
>"wtf how could you tell?"
>"it's just like, your hand mannerisms. like how you hold shit and your hand gestures."
>i'm super embarrassed but he laughs it off and tells me not to worry
>"I'm a private investigator for a living! if I couldn't tell those things I wouldn't be doing my job right"
>"YEAH BUT HOW THE FUCK DO I FIX IT? WHAT DO I NEED TO STOP DOING WITH MY HANDS TO PASS BETTER?!"
>"I don't know, all I know is I can tell from your hand movements. Your face and voice are fine, and if I were a normie without that experience i wouldn't be able to tell, but..."

im now wracking my brain trying to figure out how to have more feminine hand movements. i have like no girl friends to show me wtf im doing wrong.

how the fuck do i use my hands more cis???

>>8616031
>there are XX males and they experience severe dysphoria
Source?

>>8616033
He probably means your digit ratios.

>>8616062
nope. longer pointer, shorter ring.

I was even proud about it too. Can post proof if u dont believe it.

>>8616008
That only works for genetic girls, sorry.

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>>8612698
Wanting to be an anime girl is not transgender though. It's not even autogynephilia because anime girls aren't women. It's autopedophilia and you all have created a wrong thread for yourselves. Then you all complain about one anon who came here looking for the real thing.

>>8616021
>fitness models are disgusting
Because you're gay or pedo.

>girls should be feminine
That's what they are.

>I like my women submissive
Then you need children, not women.

>>8616145
>that's what they are
If the appeal of a fitness woman is that they are strong/have muscle how in the fuck can you say that they are feminine? That is inherently a masculine trait you're the fag here lmaoo
It's getting too late for this autism mang

>>8616172
I'm not them and haven't been following this conversation because it's shitting up the place, but how is strength/muscles an inherently masculine trait? The reason most women avoid building muscle mass is societal, because people think that women aren't "supposed" to be strong and so they actively try not to be.

>>8613717
I do pass and my papers were done years ago now I am just waiting to get srs. He was just chaser who wanted sex from me and the whole relationship was like from a comedy with the whole secretiveness

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>>8616172
>how in the fuck can you say that they are feminine?
Man! Are you blind? Just look at that picture again. Look at the BEFORE, and then look at the AFTER. She stopped being a "boy" and became a woman. If only trans women could pull it off...

You are literally blind. Blind people are setting our gender and trans gender standards.

>>8616145
AGP and APP are trans.

>>8616203

That ass is fucking huge. 99% of women don't have asses that big. That's fetish-level huge. If you think that 'women' don't have butts like the first one, you're insane. I say this as a cis man who saw this on the front page. Holy fuck.

>>8616273
>99% of women don't have asses that big.
1. 99% of women aren't alpha women.
2. Would you use the same argument against bick dicks in men? You're a cuck.

>That's fetish-level huge.
I know, real men being attracted to real women is now "fetish" and "perversion". It will be illegal (or "curable") soon too, together with pedophilia. Thanks, feminism and patriarchy! The end game is to make everyone asexual.

>>8616285

nvm I read the linked comments you're just insane

>>8616285
>I know, real men being attracted to real women is now "fetish" and "perversion". It will be illegal (or "curable") soon too, together with pedophilia. Thanks, feminism and patriarchy! The end game is to make everyone asexual.

nice strawman, why not just btfo?

>>8616287
>>8616290
>run out of arguments

>>8616292
there's nothing to argue against, what you're saying is insane bs

Half of the time i imagine myself as the crush i had on high school, what does that could mean?

Have to say i have dysphoria way before knowing her

>>8616294
Okay, what should I tell my psychiatrist?

>>8616298
Rant about any of the things you've been ranting about for the past few days and they'll get the picture pretty quickly.

>>8616294
>inb4 "Doctor, I'm turned on by female shape. Is there a drug against this terrible degeneracy?"

>>8616298
don't goto a psychiatrist all they do is diagnose schizophrenia and delay transition.

>>8616295
>Half of the time
You're half AGP.

>>8616303
I should just go into the psychiatrist's office and start ranting against someone who's not arguing with me? That would be certainly dumb.

>>8616347
You've obviously never been to therapy. Sharing things that have been on your mind or things you've been doing lately is pretty standard.

>>8616346
well, the other half i image myself as other actual crushes

why agp?

>>8616351
>why agp?
it's just a meme

How do I deal with boobs? I'm full boymode but they're poking out

>>8616351
My mistake, fully AGP. The reason it's her is just that you still have the hots for her real bad.

Because that's what AGP is.

>>8616356

Post pics

>>8616350
>You've obviously never been to therapy. Sharing things that have been on your mind or things you've been doing lately is pretty standard.
1. Maybe it is but this isn't what I'm doing here.
2. What therapy? You didn't tell me what I'm supposed to cure. Anon's stupidity?
3. I have actually gone to a pychiatrist once when I was ill and needed support in coping with imminent death. He told me that he doesn't know what I want from him and that was the end of "therapy".
4. What I'm doing here is the whole point of having threads on 4chan. Is taking part in 4chan threads mental illness?
5. You know, people have done worse than ranting in a thread for days... some have written books! Does writing a whole book on a single topic counts as a mental illness, too, for the Twitter generation?
6. I think what you really mean is that having anything to say and being able to defend it, rather than just nod and repeat what everyone else says, is a mental illness.

>>8616396
Hey just want to let you know that I didn't read any of this post. I don't actually care what you do, anon.

>>8616398
>4chan in a nutshell
LOL.

So you, guys, have no real arguments.

But you still want anti-androgens, muscle loss, boner kill and, ultimately, physical castration.

But that's not mental illness, right?

>>8616369
can you re write this please? i didn't understand, sorry :/

>>8616398
can you re write this please? i didn't understand, sorry :/

>>8616287
>nvm I read the linked comments you're just insane

>>8616398
>Hey just want to let you know that I didn't read any of this post.

Choose one.

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>>8616448

no u

Stop replying to the /pol/ troll. If you want a shit storm thread you can fuck off back to mtfg

>>8616429
>>8616351
>what does that could mean?
The reason it's her is just that you still have the hots for her real bad.

>the other half i image myself as other actual crushes
Fully AGP.

>why agp?
Because that's what AGP is.

>>8616631
>The reason it's her is just that you still have the hots for her real bad.
my english is not pretty good, you can write it in a different way?

again, i'm really sorry

>>8616428
there is real arguments and gender dysphoria is a mental illness

>>8616428

So what if it was a mental illness?

>>8616985
Nothing, but /pol/ wants you to kill yourselves now so they don't have to later. Remember, these are lazy nu-Nazis, they're not as agile as the ones that came before!

>>8617000
nu-/pol/ is mostly underage edge lords who post memes from their favourite e-celebs.

>>8616985
Ofc nothings wrong with it being a mental illness. People who say it's a mental illness as an insult are obviously really shitty people

>>8617112
i don't like to think that is a mental illness, it makes me think i'm just a sick guy, not an actual woman.