/HRTGen/ HRT General 035: Drugs can fix my body but not my heart

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>>8340365
Femboy here.

I'm not on any kind of meds or mones, i'm too skinny and i always had big hips so i thought i would not need hrt but i'm changing my mind.

Recently (specially after using chemicals on my hair) i've noticed my hairline is recending. I'm 18 and this shit is scaring me, as my father had literally two big holes in his hairline before he seek treatment. I'm also REALLY anxious/stressed and my hair is very oily (i wash it everyday but today i didn't and look at the pic)

I'm thinking about starting finasteride. What's the main difference between finasteride and cypro? I can take finasteride without anything else but i can't take cypro alone forever, right?

Also, will finasteride (or cypro or even full HRT) help me with the recending hairline and maybe restore some of it? Or it is an useless effort and i should give up?

>>8340437
Good questions.
I'm a femboy who is looking to start full hrt.
Any femboys who did that here?

>>8340437
If I were in your position, I'd do more research on finasteride and the small risk of sexual dysfunction that comes with it. Second suggestion: rogaine. Though it builds up into dandruff-like flakes and everything falls back out if you stop.

>>8340437
Finasteride works but Dutasteride is more potent and slightly more expensive. Finasteride doesn't block T it only stops it converting to DHT as much, so you'll still have a sex drive / erections and all the rest of it.
On the other hand, Cypro blocks most T. If you start Cypro you'll experience gyno, loss of sex drive, etc.
I can't find a good place to source Dutasteride though and it's stressing me out

>>8341561
To buy Dutasteride, will this be OK? https://www.inhousepharmacy.vu/p-570-dutagen-05mg-dutasteride.aspx
Or should I spend more money and buy this https://pharmacydirectgb.co.uk/avodart.php that one is branded "Avodart"
Which one should I buy, I don't have much money. I'm a poor uni student.

>>8340437
is that really a receding hairline? Mine looks like that from the side and I think it's fine, pretty sure it was like this as far as I can remember.

>>8341561
>>8341607
>>8341796
can I just... buy stuff off of inhouse pharmacy?
i want to ship it to georgia (us)
could there ever be a problem?
what sort of payment method should be used?

>>8341796
Well, his hairline is noticeably masculine.
If he was trans it would've been a problem since it would've been outing him.

>>8340804
>rogaine
that shit only makes you have sligthly more hair while you still use it
if you stop using it, it will be as if you had never even begun
fin/dut, on the other hand, will permanently halt the hairloss process

I'm on dut as a cis bi male, I am in the lucky majority who has not experienced anything major.
I do not know if it will show side effects in the distant future, but I doubt my sexual capabilities 10 years from now matters as much as my hair matters right now.

t. started fin 5 years ago and dut 2 years ago.

>>8341831
You should talk to your doctor and get a prescription and get your insurance to help pay for it. If that doesn't work, you can still use inhousepharma, it won't hurt you, its legal for you, only illegal for inhouse.

>>8341850
>its legal for you, only illegal for inhouse
this is what i have been hearing but can I get a solid source on this?

Does anyone have any experience with bicalutamide or similar stuff? Does it actually keep up your libido up?

Are there any good T blocking supplements to take with spiro?
I don't want to take too much spiro for health reasons.

>>8342009
No my libido has dropped quite a bit, but I can still masturbate when I want very easily. But now I can easily go 5 days without even thinking about getting off :) It's pure freedom for me.

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>>8342127
I'm on bica (50mg) and spiro(100mg) not dead yet. The bica just stops whatever Testosterone is left from working. I'm sure 25mg/100mg would work just fine.

>>8342166
Thanks! If it doesn't kill it completely and still works for blocking the other effects of testosterone, then I'll look into it more.

>>8342009
>>8340997
This anon has high sex libido on hrt.

>>8342254
That'd be really nice if I can keep it. I actually like having a relatively high libido.

>>8342184
I don't want to go over 100 mg spiro.
I'm looking for something that will not fook up my liver even harder.
Some natural supplement or maybe even a food to add to my diet.

>>8342355
cut your balls off

>>8342365
I will one day, but I can't now so I'll have to stick to meds and supplements.

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What mg of cypro should I take daily, just got my cypro in the mail. I'm 18 if that makes any difference

>>8342650
take 25mg now to see if you have an allergic reaction. after 3 doses, take 50 mg/day until your semen turns clear (maybe a month or two?) then drop to 25mg.

Anyone know a good site to get progynon depot or any other form of inject-able E?

For my first order at qhi how tf do I sign the documents? I have no printer or scanner, can I just do this in MS paint?

So my IC doctor wants to keep me on 4mg E daily until 6 months, that's about 2 months away and then bump me to 6 mg. Should I try to get it increased anyways or side does from online?
I don't wanna fuck up my hormones but, would like to be more passable before classes start in the fall.

>>8342355
Spiro fucks around with your CYP450 enzymes so I would highly recommend not taking any other medications with it without consulting a doctor. Even then very carefully research everything you take, even supplements are heavily heavily reliant on CYP450, nearly every medication on the planet needs those enzymes and since spiro is inhibiting them you have to be careful what you take.

>>8343020
You should be able to.

>>8342656
I'm taking 25mg and after a week my semen was clear and barely any came out. Does this just mean I initially had lower T? I'm 18 too not really sure if that matters.

>>8342656
I've only got 50mg tablets though, I'm just about stopping myself from taking the whole packet of AA's and putting multiple elastic bands around my dick till it falls off.

>>8343215
Get a pill splitter from cvs

>>8342656
How clear? Like completely? Because when I cum it's little sprinkles of watery semen that is kinda cloudy.

>>8343347
How often do you masturbate? Cause if you masturbate too much your jizz turns clear as well.

>>8343368
I rarely masturbate, My libido is too low.

>>8344161
It's always going to be a bit cloudy until it's just like a few droplets. If it's not very sticky and it just dribbles out it's probably a good sign.
You may want to test your levels before changing dosages

I just got my first order of Bicalutamide in the mail and I'm nervous as hell to start using it. How do I know it's safe? Are you guys sure it's not cyanide? I checked the pill ID website, but how do I know it's not actually a fake and I'm being poisoned or bamboozled? I ordered from qhi.

>>8344656
>How do I know it's safe?
as in that it's not poison or placebo? you could do analysis on every single pill, likely destroying every single pill in the process
you're very likely to be fine
if anything, they'd use a placebo over a poison, for many, many reasons
qhi is also pretty a reputable site from what i've heard, though i haven't used them personally
qhi, allday, and inhouse are the main ones, with weird specialized ones i don't know much about for smaller countries
TL;DR: it's highly likely that it'll be okay

>>8344656
I've ordered legit illegal drugs online for like 10+ years and I cannot say I have ever once ever received anything but what I paid for.

>>8344656
I assume you've done your research and know the intended effects of bicalutamide as well as its known side-effects.

You could send it to a lab and have it tested to see if it's actually contains the chemical it's advertised to contain. I believe some people in the steroids/bodybuilding community do that.

Another option would be risk minimization. Start keeping a journal of any health issues you notice. Write down every little thing. Do that for a month or so before starting the medication. Then take a small dose and remain in the presence of someone who can contact emergency services if something goes wrong. Keep yourself busy so you don't mistake the symptoms of being anxious with side-effects of the medication. Repeat this several times until you reach the target dose. This is where the journal becomes useful. You'll start noticing all sorts of little health issues that you didn't notice before. Keep writing them down, but reference previous entries in your journal to see if they're new problems or if they existed before. If you notice something new or something worsens, see a doctor.

The best option, of course, would be to get it prescribed, source it from a regular pharmacist, and do everything under the supervision of a competent doctor.

I've been prescribed 100mg spiro, I've been just taking 1 when I wake up like instructed, but I was reading that splitting it up was a good idea. Do you think splitting it up and taking half in the morning, half in the afternoon would be better?

>tfw have a big dick and scared itll get smaller doing hrt

>>8345871
Are they 100mg pills? If you split them, take one part with breakfast and one with dinner.

>>8345871
The half life of spiro is fairly short so I'm not sure why you would be instructed to take it once a day. Splitting is a better option.

>>8346024
>>8346020
Okay, thank you <3

>>8345871
I've also heard that, and I'm thinking about splitting mine into morning&evening 50mg doses.
However, I need to wait till I run out of my 100mg spiro first, since I still have about 3-4 months worth of it.
>when I wake up
I used to do that, but a while ago I moved it to the evening because it made me sleepy.

What blood estrogen level do you aim for? I think my endocrinologist is keeping me too low

>>8345936
it will very likely be reduced by some amount, especially if you take estrogen
exactly how much smaller is hard to predict, but reduction in penile length is pretty common

Do I have to stop estrogen before dental surgeries? Pulling teeth out.

>>8340365

Ranma is going to be a cute! A CUTE!

>>8347632
Probably not, but call your dentist and ask.

>>8347632
Why would it matter that you're on estrogen?

>>8346617
Not the guy you replied to, but by how much? I'm 18cm at the moment, a week on cypro, and I really wanna shrink down to ~8cm less if possible. Luckily I'm a grower though so if I lose use of my junk It will be really small

>>8349699
Some stuff screws with your blood. You can't give blood on finasteride, for example. Best just to ask, your doctor doesn't care what drugs you're on.

Is progesterone safe to use with cypro?

>>8350136
why would you need progesterone if youre already on cypro? cypro is basically a progestin.

>>8350149
I'm only on 12.5mg cypro

ugh i am about to robocall every MD in washington state and ask if they can do bical

giving the curse of hairy spiro to people seeking femininity is just....so government...

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>>8350165
adding a progesterone while ur taking cypro is fine, but progesterone is a meme, it does nothing for mtfs. you can try it without any adverse effects, but i recommend praying to allah herself that it will give u any noticeable differences in terms of feminisation.

>>8349734
>exactly how much smaller is hard to predict
i honestly don't know, but it depends on what you take and a bunch of other factors like how long you take it and your sensitivity and receptiveness to what you take

>>8350184
>the curse of hairy spiro
Explain?

>>8350184
Im trying to convince my doc to prescribe bica in seattle, if I have success I will announce in this general.

>>8350208
Not them but I love the vivid dreams, easy sleep and good moods it gives me, that alone makes it worth it to me, anything else would be a bonus.
(Also not cycling btw)

>>8349799
> You can't give blood on finasteride, for example.
Wait, what? Why does it matter?
I'm gonna donate blood on Tuesday, and since I self-med, I don't tell anyone that I take any meds.
Would it be better to stop taking finasteride until that day?

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>>8350934
>vivid dreams, easy sleep and good moods
I get none of that from progesterone. Am I doing something wrong? Because what you get sounds awesome.
I'm applying it as a gel because I'm too clumsy do inject myself. One application(2.5g) of the gel contains 25mg of progesterone.

youre supposed to swallow progynova right? currently getting memed by transbian gf

>>8352220
Yes it's metabolized by enzymes in your stomach and throughout your body. Eating food with it is also supposed to help.

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>>8351135
nah, unfortunately. dunno why, but i wouldn't bother trying

>>8352467
it causes birth defects in fetuses, if blood was given to a pregnant woman, her pregnancy could terminate. it seems to have a long lasting effect

>>8351178
I just use prometrium from qhi, 100mg every night.. I also take them rectally (since women usually take it vaginally).
I was planning on cycling it first but as I quickly started feeling like shit when my cycle ended, and slept bad I just started up again, fuck pms lol.

I've been said by other anons to take 4mg estrogen alongside 100mg spiro to get feminisation features without losing any use of my penis or growing breasts. I really want to have nice skin, femme soft skin, etc.

Would this be true? Sorry for my English

>>8353289
4 MG E is going to give you breasts. There is a way to stop breast growth though, I forget its name but femgen knows about it. Something starting with an R.

>>8353305
It's raloxiflene

>>8353305
>>8353311

Thank you for your helps. I just want to be a femme boy and pretty. I know that progesteron(?) makes the breasts grow as well so I won't take that.

>>8353324
do read the /femgen/ pastebin, anon

So, I am taking break from Estrogen/Spiro because I was getting brain fog. Turns out I was on high potassium diet and I didn't know you have to avoid potassium while on spiro. It sucks but, I am taking break from HRT for two month just as a safety. (And that's when I can get next appt with him.) BTW, is potassium that devastating to your body on Spiro? I didn't know you get brain fog as well. There is also possibility that I am incompatible with Spiro, but hopefully, it's not that

>>8353451
Yes and it can actually be deathly. Honestly just switch to cypro.

>>8353459

So, I am in USA. I asked to change to cypro to my endo, but he said cypro is not allowed in US b/c it is not FDA approved. Which sucks.

>>8353459

Is it possible to get on cypro although I am in US? If I switch my endo, would that work?

>>8353517
Yes it's possible. Read this article for details:
https://www.fda.gov/aboutfda/transparency/basics/ucm194904.htm
You'll need to find an online pharmacy from a foreign country that will accept your prescription and ship to the US. Like a real pharmacy, not shady ones that will ship drugs without scripts.

>>8353525

https://www.inhousepharmacy.vu/p-1313-procur-50mg-cyproterone.aspx

So, online website posted on HRTGen allows me to buy Cypro. I don't think I need a prescription to buy it on that site. (Do I need a presciption from my endo and how do I do that?) Is this online store reputable, and, if I buy it, can endo help me out with Cypro?

>>8353538
You can ask them if they can do a legal shipment and ship it with your prescription and everything.
I'm not from the US but I believe it's pretty common for Americans to order from online Canadian pharmacies. They'll ship your prescription inside the box or the shipping label so it passes through customs easily.

>>8353289
> 4mg estrogen alongside 100mg spiro
I've been on that dosage for about a year.
Breasts are definitely growing, albeit they're still far from what would look natural on my frame.
And my libido plummeted and stayed that way until about 9 months into HRT.

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Is starting Bica + Progy without any blood tests dangerous and retarded? I can get the mones easily, but getting my levels checked is pretty much impossible. It would be for less than half a year, until I get an official prescription.

>>8353974
tests are on average $70 for a full panel.
You need to know your baseline levels befroe you start. Not doing that makes things much harder afterwards.
Not getting your levels tested is very dumb.

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Started Bicalutamide and Raloxifene 4 months ago.
Then my hair has begun to fall out a month ago, like 4x~6x more than usual when showering. It's obvious now. My scalp shows. HRT should've prevented this. My doctor said maybe the Bicalutamide wasn't blocking as much as it should've been so the excess T was doing its thing (So higher dose needed perhaps, but it's expensive), or maybe a natural shedding cycle. Who knows?

I then started 0.5mg of Dutasteride to take alongside it. And then I got referred to an Endrinocologist, and switched to 50mg Cypro/2mg Estrofem, until I can talk to my Endrinocologist about the proper course of action about remaining on Raloxifene.

I'm taking Cypro 50mg, Estrofem 2mg, and Dutasteride 0.5mg now.

My hair has stopped falling out in the shower, it's been 4 days since I started (First 2 days was 25mg of cypro, and now I'm doing 50mg of cypro)-- No side effects at all.
I get less hair falling out of my head than I did when I wasn't on HRT.

I'm on Tanner Stage 2 breast development, pressing down on my nips I can feel the bud and the hardness of the nipple. I am fine with this, but I will get breast development soon.

Bica/Ralox really fucked over all the blood tests I was taking, so it was reason I figured I'd try "stop the hair loss before it got worse, and also I can see if my hair loss was hormonal or not" with Cypro/Estrofem, and at the same time get a feasible read on my blood tests.

But how long should I be on HRT before getting a blood test?
I see my Endrino in a week, but she'll just refer to my Bica/Ralox blood works. I haven't had any since Cypro/Estrofem, and I'm wondering when I should get them.
12 nmol/L was minimum for a male, and mine was 6.2, but I am unsure if the Bica may have pushed my body to begin making normal male levels of hormones, as though it 'fixed' an issue.

>>8354042
He might just ask you to take a test right then and there. Or you wait a month. Doesn't make any difference, every knowledge is worth something though, so might aswell take one.

>>8353974
2me4meirl
>>8354037
depends if I can get them under $90 each time on the place I life then yes if not then not

I've been feeling tired a lot more at the afternoon recently, could that be related to hormones?

>>8354042
>bica fucked my hair
thats why i want it.
>bica fucked my blood work
thats why doctors pretend it doesnt exist
>>8354440
take a nap.

>>8354472
How easy is it to switch from bica to crypo?

>>8354505
This was meant to be a general reply

Is increasing Spiro to 200mg and progy to 4mg after a month too fast?

How does bica compare to cypro and spiro for breast growth?

I know cypro cause some complications to liver and depression, but how severe is it? Is cypro that bad to the liver? Is there something to be careful while taking cypro, such as diet?

Why is transdermal estradiol at such a lower dose than oral? Even the good-ol UCSF guidelines say an initial dose of 100 ug/day is comparable to 2-4mg oral. Does that much get eaten up by the liver or metabolism?

>>8354519
hate to be like that, but get bloodwork

>>8354666
The metabolism in the liver yes
>The liver metabolizes many drugs, sometimes to such an extent that only a small amount of active drug emerges from the liver to the rest of the circulatory system. This first pass through the liver thus greatly reduces the bioavailability of the drug.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_pass_effect

>>8354042
bica really fucked your hair? fuck anon you're scaring me

>>8355311
It scares me too, I just started bica+fin+estrofem about a week and a half ago. And now I'm wondering if I should just order crypo and go that route. I've heard many people say hair loss is normal on my combo, as it looses all the bad hair, and replaces with good hair. But I'm getting worried this is simply a meme

>>8355779
I wish you could update me on how its going for you since we're in pretty much the same situation right now

>>8355779
>>8355311
Some T is needed for hair growth. Bica blocks T's use.

hi I'm thinking about starting self HRT, is there somewhere I can see a comparison of the different options before i start?

>>8355889
>T is needed for hair growth
[Citation needed]

Also cypro blocks T and kills production as well, why wouldn't the same happen?

>>8355952
With cypro you still have adrenal T production.

>>8355986
>CPA blocks the effects of androgens like testosterone in the body
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyproterone_acetate

>>8356111
so what should I stop taking bica and order cyrpo? I just want to combat hairloss / be cuter

>>8356111
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyproterone_acetate
>although CPA reduces androgen production in the gonads, it can increase the production of adrenal androgens, in some cases resulting in an overall rise in testosterone levels.

>>8356233
Sure but how can the body use that extra androgen when it also blocks it at the receptor like bica? Bica also increases T, but that doesn't mean your body can make use of it (other than converting to E).

Also I've yet to see any source on why T is needed for head hair (other than killing it).

>>8356270
You need a little bit of T. Even women need testosterone.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3380548/
>Subcutaneous testosterone therapy was found to have a beneficial effect on scalp hair growth in female patients treated for symptoms of androgen deficiency.

>>8356270
it is only a weak blocker of T and DHT.

>>8356282
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3380548/

>Baseline serum testosterone levels were significantly lower in women who reported ‘hair thinning’ (14·18 ± 10·51 ng dL−1) compared with women who reported ‘no hair thinning’ (21·92 ± 15·69 ng dL−1) prior to testosterone implant therapy (W = 6966, P = 0·0001).
This is the important bit. It appears one needs at least 20ng/dL of T for normal hair maintenance, where some patients may need less.

>>8356326
oops, 25ng/dL T levels, which is low normal female level.

>>8356282
Fair enough, I guess some T may help, but there's nobody there who seem to have significant rapid hair loss from it, those who reported thinning was of older age as well so I guess long term (decades) of gradual thinning, as opposed to what someone have been experiencing in this thread.
(Keep in mind there's women with total androgen insensitivity as well and they still got hair.)

Another factor though is if 50mg really blocks all T or not, for prostate cancer as monotherapy bica is usually used at 150mg..

I just find zero T to be very unlikely to cause rapid hair loss (unless it's shedding), but bica do have hair loss listed as a side effect, which I think it's more likely a reaction to the chemical itself than the effects of it.

>>8356380
Bica is not a strong competitor against dht. They're pretty close to identical binding affinity from the studies I've read.
Bica is definitely never used for mpb or women with hirsuitism. Usually cypro+fina/duta is first line treatment for hirsuitism.

Take a look at this
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960076002001541
>However, several drugs including spironolactone gave the product ratio (E2/E1) having higher value than that of the control, the result means spironolactone inhibits the conversion of E2 to E1.
and to think 1/3 of those taking SL pills has to high of E1 to E2 ratio.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5GqH5rA-mckc1I2Zlh0X2VZX2s/view

>>8356394
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicalutamide

>Low-dose bicalutamide has been found to be effective in the treatment ofhirsutism
Low dose being 25mg/day

>>8356394
True, it isn't, question is why it isn't though..
Also I didn't mention dht either, just the effects of T. Hair loss from dht/mpb is also usually a long term thing, not 6 months from start to finish (at least that I've heard of).
But a bad reaction to a medication could give your rapid temporarily hairloss in days even.
Also I'm currently on bica, fin, prog and e.

Can bica be switched to crypo easily? All this hair loss talk of bica has me too paranoid to not switch.. lol...

>>8356404
Well that's at least a little reassuring. But from the research I've seen bica is kind of iffy for mpb. Like most studies say it doesn't compete strongly enough with dht so you may not gain a ton of benefit, although it still blocks some of it so basically you just end up in the same place you started really. Like you doubled or tripled your dht due to bica and it's a weak competitor so it's like no different than simply not taking bica lol
I think cypro+duta is the best bet. It's a beast when it comes to hirsuitism so for mpb I'd say that's the best bet. No point screwing around with bica and it's iffy results when there's a well known alternative that we know works.

>>8356700
finasteride is what's usually prescribed for mpb
and dutesteride is like a more powerful finasteride
just my two cents

>>8356700
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26048455
>In men with non-metastatic CRPC, adding dutasteride to bicalutamide did not significantly prolong TDP.
Well this is for prostate cancer and may differ idk..

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>>8356111
>>8355986
>>8355952
>>8355889
>>8355311
For all I know, my levels could just be horrendous. You need *some* androgens for healthy hair growth-- Hair loss and thinning in older women is attributed to having next to no T.
It could have been Raloxifene.
It could be that I was blocking too much of my androgens. But I wouldn't know, Bica really fucks over your blood works.

This is in part why I've moved to Cypro, just so I can try something difference because hair loss could be attributed to anything.

I'm not overly stressful of a person, just anxious and I avoid anxious situations. I had a very hardcore diet for 3 months that caused me to lose 10kg and despite eating better for months before, maybe it could have caught up with me?

There's too many factors. Bica has been sworn to work for plenty of people. I've always had weird drug interactions (Anti depressants for example shouldn't work for the first few days to weeks, and then begin working-- Complete opposite to me; Things that should make someone sleepy, wake me up)

Maybe the Bica wasn't simply blocking enough receptors and I needed to up the dose?
Maybe Raloxifene caused the hair loss?
Maybe I acquired a hair fungus somewhere?
Maybe because I'm 24 I was too late with hormones and MPB decided to settle in months after I started hormones?

I don't know the answer, but since switching to cypro I'm pulling less hair out of my head for the past 3 days which is usually a good sign; But a temporary good sign doesn't mean it's fixed. Sadly the damage has been done and I'm miserable over it, all I can do is pray it all comes back.

Keep attentive to your hair, very much so, but don't stress over it.

Also if you actually look about what causes hairloss in HRT, every single one (Progy, Cypro, Bica, Ralox, Tamoxifen, Estrofem, etc.) all state hair loss as a thing because messing with your thyroid gland can make you lose hair.

Hoping my hair loss is just a bad hormonal imbalance, meaning it can come back.

So the boobs and ass you'd get in HRT is the one's running in your family genes ? Asking trying to predict the size of the ass I'd get and my sister's not that big. Anyone on HRT already to confirm this please.

Currently I'm on 50mg spiro 2x via Rx, but I'm about to get 2mg estradiol valerate tablets in the mail. I was going to split the estrogen in 4 and take it throughout the day, would it be better for me to also split the spiro and take that at the same time as the estrogen?

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>>8352467
>>8352501
Would they check for that stuff if I don't tell them and just quietly discard my blood later? I don't want to come out about being on HRT, and finasteride isn't prescribed just for hair loss here.
The blood donation is organized at my workplace and I get a day off for it which is quite valuable for me, so I really have an incentive to do it. But I also don't want to fuck up someone's life.
And yes, I know I'm acting like an egoistic asshole. Unfortunately.

>>8357921
Oh, and I also take meds for my depression, but that alone shouldn't be a problem, right?

Is there a point to medding if you intend to repress forever due to being utterly t-ravaged?

>>8357942
Do you also intend to kill yourself? I'm not joking either

>>8357946
No, but I do feel doomed to unhappiness.

>>8357952
Okay then keep taking hrt and just wait. There's no rush.

>>8357955
I'm not on HRT or anything. I'm asking whether there's a point to popping pills in my situation.

>>8357946
What if the answer is to want to kill yourself everyday and feel it's best you do?
[spoiler]I'm heading there and very close, but I wonder if I'm a repressed tranny[/spoiler]

>>8357958
What do you have to lose if you give transitioning a go at this point? Might as well give it a shot if you think it could help.

>>8357960
Because going back when you have breasts is hard to get rid of.
Looking like a hon feels like a death sentence, especially if you're a guy with obvious tits at that point.

>>8357972
pop raloxifene

>>8358057
aren't you supposed to only take that with Bicalutamide?
i want to be on cypro

My doctor just OK'd me for micronized progesterone.
100mg for day 1 & 12 and 200mg for the in between days.
I'm also on weekly injections, is there a specific day after injections I should start progesterone or does it not really matter?
Also anybody know what changes they had with it?

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Took Bicalutamide for a while because heard it was good at eliminating body hair.
Then I began losing hair, and I don't know what it's from so went to cypro since it seems more reliable.

But there's a bald patch on the left of my arm that for a month now (and in the time my hair began changing; losing hair and getting brighter colored in streaks) that has survived about 4 or 5 shaving cycles which is very, very not how my body goes. I never tweezed or waxed them.

It's only on that one spot as well.

Is this normal when on HRT (MtF)? I know body hair would thin out, turn into vellus hairs, etc but it's literally this one spot.

>>8358168
Did you notice anything change with scalp hair?

>>8357957
Yes.

Qhi restock estrofem quicker pls x.x

>>8357972
Bitch please tons of guys have fucking DD saggy as fuck ugly ass gyno and you're worried about cute perky hrt boobs?
You can get it surgically removed but your boobs will still look better than gyno

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So how does one get a blood test in the UK without the NHS? It seems like I'm gonna be waiting for two mouths or more that way, advice? Has to be UK based service, I wouldn't mind that wait, but I have my HRT ready to go and want to start asap, I'd rather pay a doctor and get information now.

>>8358389
If it's like Canada you can just go to your GP and do it. I usually get an hiv test alongside it as well. They'll take 2-3 vials of blood. It's all free, just straight up ask for a hormone test, you don't have to explain much.

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>>8358395
Thanks I tried booking and a appointment and that's how I got my 2 month wait, however I could try the sexual health clinic, it's in the same building so they should have the resources, and can't hurt to get tested on top of it.

>>8358409
Do you have a family doctor? There shouldn't be a wait time for your GP. I usually just tack whatever I need onto my hiv tests and for a while I was doing it like every month lol

>>8358395
Oh and sorry so what are the terms just so I can make sure I get this right, I know it's testosterone and oestradiol I'm looking for, but what's the name for checking my liver health?

>>8358439
Have you had a blood test before?
I just ask for like an std test, hormone test, liver test, etc and he gives me a form that he checks the boxes on. I book an appointment online with the blood testing clinic and give them the form that he gives me. You shouldn't need to know the exact names.

>>8358442
I have had a HIV test before, but as I was only there for one thing I figured it was self explanatory, but good to know they will understand what I mean.

>>8358292
Not that I don't appreciate the answer but why? Is the feeling better meme not in fact a meme?

>>8358149
>>8350934
I felt like shit when the days off came btw, that's why I'm not cycling it.

>>8358465
Your GP will know about liver tests but they won't be familiar with interpreting results of hormone tests in terms of trans healthcare. They can still do the test though. They'll for sure know about your liver though since thats an extremely common test and is applicable to all drugs

>>8358248
Thinner, falling out. Unsure if MPB or not.

>>8358543
It is not a meme. Also the "im t-ravaged" can mean literally anything. I've seen super cute passing transgirls saying that who actually thought it was true.

I've been getting a lot more semen from orgasm after starting progesterone, before I'd rarely get it but I've been on P for like 2 days and I'm getting the sticky clear semen again, is this related? Does it mean Progesterone is rising my testosterone or something?

>>8358631
I have heard of prog actually restoring some prostate function. I would say get tested to make sure but I don't personally think it's a huge issue. Progesterone tends to protect some organs from detrimental hormone interactions which is what it's function in the body is

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This is a really stupid question, but can HRT give you freckles? I never had freckles in my life and I don't ever see the sun, so it's weird that I get them at 22 years old after some months hrt.

Is it just a coincidence? Even if it's not the hrt this is still weird

>>8358631
What dose are you on?

>>8358712
100mg micronized progesterone per day, 8 mg Estradiol valerate per day and 25 mg cypro per day.

>>8358722
Holy that's a lot of e lol
Like just purely statistically speaking there's no way your T went up. Progesterone helps your prostate and prevents cancer. Women's secretions significantly increase with progesterone therapy as well.
I'm almost certain you're fine but just do a blood test because why not?

>>8358658
Yes it can, but it doesn't happen to everyone. But if you're the type of person it does this for, you'll probably have a ton of freckles by the end of the year.

>>8358734
Yeah, my levels don't seem to be going too high, so my endo seems to really like increasing my dose. Sure I'll get it sometime in the month, thanks for the help.

>>8358756
Increasing prog is incredibly beneficial. It's known to protect against deep vein thrombosis, restores erectile dysfunction in men (with proper T levels), restores vaginal lubrication, can protect your adrenals, and can help your liver somewhat.
I really would not worry. Fluid is not bad and doesn't indicate an increase in testicular function. If it's clear than your leydig cells shut down thus not much T production

>>8358742
That sounds kinda nice

>>8358658
This happened to me too, I have like freckles all over my face now
I thought freckles were cute before but now I don't.

>>8358631
Don't take progesterone unless you already had orchiectomy, dummy.

>>8343215
It'd be wiser to put the band around your balls, anon.

That would lower the T with a vengeance.

Wait 24 hours and then either cut them off yourself with something really sharp (so the band is above the cut of course) or just go to the hospital and tell them its been like that for 24 hours. They'll have to remove it because it will be dead tissue.

Of course theres the risk of infection, bleeding out, death, and then also never being able to get SRS.

>>8342650
Looks like someone is using QHI.

>>8360594
Bullshit: the post.

It doesn't matter whether you've had an orchi or not prior to taking prog.

t. used to cycle prog

>>8358389
Take it without blood tests ya dingus, it really really doesn't matter what your starting levels are.

Start taking the meds now, and then work on finding online-orderable blood tests in the UK, or a private clinic. Literally no point waiting to take your meds.

Another option: go to your GP and complain about low test symptoms and breast area pain after having started HRT self-med. Then he will give you a blood test most likely, to help diagnose your problem.

>>8360613
What a surprise when she already said it came in the mail.

>>8360644
Pro fucking tip:
There are other places that mail out meds.

>>8360594
lol no you should take prog from day 1, there's no reason not to unless you're taking cypro which itself is progesteronic enough.

anyone here on gnrh agonists?
i got my first shot 2 weeks ago and i feel like im taking spiro because i have to pee all the time
anyone else has the same experience? is this a normal side effect?

>>8360669
>inb4 ask your doctor
i will when i have my next appointment in 2 weeks

>>8360616
Enjoy your hairy body and virility, hon
I bet you are a transbian as well

>>8360681
That's not how natural progesterone works, natural progesterone is anti-androgenic. You're thinking of medroxyprogesterone.

just got blood work back and my results are in different units than what the pastedump has.

Is 262 pmol/L low for estradiol?
Is 0.6 nmol/L high for testosterone?

>>8361362
those are both fine. Look for a unit converter online

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>>8361362
My country uses the same different standard, I took a little time converting it all so take this. Saying that I am really stupid, but I think I got it right.
These are the levels from the Pastebin/OP about "Average Ranges for Females/Males" except converted. I left the normal amount in as well just so I could cover both sides.
The amounts shown below are the "Ideal Ranges", compare yours to them.

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FSH LEVELS

Females:
3 ~ 20 (IU/L)
3 ~ 20 (mIU/ml)

Males:
1 ~ 18 (IU/L)
1 ~ 18 (mIU/ml)
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LH LEVELS

Female:
< 7 (IU/L)
< 7 (mIU/ml)

Male:
2 ~ 18 (IU/L)
2 ~ 18 (mIU/ml)
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ESTRADIOL LEVELS

Females:
110 ~ 440 (pmol/L)
30 ~ 120 (pg/ml)

Males:
55 ~ 220 (pmol/L)
15 ~ 60 (pg/ml)

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TESTOSTERONE LEVELS

Females:
0.3 ~ 4.2 (nmol/L)
0.1 ~ 1.2 (ng/ml)

Males:
8.4 ~ 40 (nol/L)
2.4 ~ 12 (ng/ml)
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FREE TESTOSTERONE LEVELS

Females:
2.1 ~ 23.6 (pmol/L)
0.6 ~ 6.8 (pg/ml)
0.4 ~ 2.4 (Free Range %)

Males:
163 ~ 846 (pmol/L)
47 ~ 244 (pg/ml)
1.6 ~ 2.9 (Free Range %)

Total Free Range is 0.3 - 5% ( 2% average )

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>>8361529
>Males:
>8.4 ~ 40 (nol/L)

Woops, that's meant to me nmol/L

>>8361373
>>8361529
thanks, i was doing the conversion wrong initially and was stressing out

Does Cypro have a chance to shrink the penis as well?

I hear it can shrink balls and prostate since it 'attacks them' but I don't know about the penis itself.

I would really like a smaller penis, mine's far too big and is applicable to my dysphoria.

>>8361923
yes
If you really want to shrink the penis, then add Fin or Duta.

>>8361923
Well not everyone loses nocturnal erections but generally speaking cypro will atrophy the penis due to lack of night erections.
If you masturbate and continually get erections you won't lose size. I know people who have had orchi's that can still get hard
It's a fake atrophy though. You can regain size if you can get hard again. There's no muscular tissue in the penis and it's all vascular. There's no logical path to penis atrophy other than the cells themselves shriveling but not goung through apoptosis. So your total cell count is the same just the cells themselves shrunk.

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>>8358566
>>8354042
this is literally the main reason I'm taking bica. I'm scared. Will this stuff make my hair fall out? Should I buy a different AA?

>>8362264
Just do cypro guys, fuck.

I'm not mad at you or anything, but it's just so damn good at its job. Will turn you into a top tier femboy or tranny or whatever it is you want to be, without shitty side effects.

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>>8362264
should not. DHT is the main cause of baldness and prostate cancer, and bica was developed as anti-cancer med and has to block all androgen receptors,
there is some remaining activity (you can dig into studies) in DHT -stimulated cells which Im not sure is significant for hair loss but it is for cancer,
if you still get hair loss then adding finasteride could be an option

>With bicalutamide alone Prostate-specific antigen fell to a nadir value that was 3.5% of the baseline value. After finasteride was added, the PSA nadir was 1.5% of the baseline value.


also its not as clearcut, you can have MORE shedding initially

>It is believed that increased shedding immediately after starting on finasteride (Propecia) is due to the acceleration of the hair cycling process. This phenomenon may cause miniaturized hair to shed and it is thought that these follicles eventually get replaced with new hair, which may be thicker than the original.

>>8362311
>without shitty side effects.
nothing is, sadly

What's the recommended mg dose of dutasteride for hairline repair? I got a bunch of 0.5mg pills online (my doc refused to prescribe because "it's only for people with prostate cancer"... lmao).

One a day? Two?

>>8362384
Dutasteride is for BPH. It's not prostate cancer, it's BPH which is enlarged prostate (Inflammation)
Bicalutamide is for prostate cancer.

And for hairline repair, 0.5mg is just fine.

1mg of Finasteride is a minor one.
5mg of Finasteride is a heavy dose.
0.5mg of Dutasteride = 5mg of Finasteride.

Take one a day. You *could* go like, 1mg of Dutasteride or whatever but like, don't cause it wont help your results.

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>>8362311
>without shitty side effects
You just expressed that you're lucky.

Cypro for a most posts I see are that it breaks your dick, that you get an erection and it's a half erection and you can barely maintain it and thus you can't even get close to fapping. Some posts of people I've seen having taken Cypro for 6 months turn around and say they feel bad they can only cum through their butts now, rather than just fapping normally.

Cypro also gives very heavy depression in some people too and if you're already looking at HRT, you likely have depression (or a minor depression) so going on it will make things worse. I was close to just ending my life the other day, my depression is already pretty bad but it just got worse since on cypro-- but I've dealt with it all my life so I know how to go about it at least.

>>8362264
You're taking Bica *because* of hair thinning/MPB?
You should be taking 5mg of Finasteride, or 0.5mg of Dutasteride.

Bicalutamide in theory works like as we all know it, but everyone's results vary. Just like on cypro some people never even have their being broken, yet most do.

It's much, much quicker to lose hair than to gain it sadly. Look at your hair line and you *will* notice if Bicalutamide is not helping you at all (as it didn't me)

>>8362378
Actually I've done spiro and cypro. Cypro in comparison is side-effect free even though it technically isn't. It's just that spiro's side effects are so shitty that it makes anything else look like nothing, and you often don't even realize how shitty spiro is until you're off of it because you get used to feeling like shit physically and don't realize it's not normal what you are feeling.

Cypro can have depression sides if you've got a lack of vitamin b12, which you can very easily get by doing things like taking vitamin supplements, drinking energy drinks, or simply eating some meat, not even that much meat.

Another "side effect" would be lowered sex drive but also the cocklust phase earlier in cypro, which not all experience but some do. Same with the sex drive reduction, not all get slammed by it and I am nearing 4 years HRT with 1.5 years cypro, yet my sex drive is at a nice usable level.

If you react to cypro like the average person, you will almost certainly have nothing that could be called a "shitty side effect" key word being "shitty"

Besides, when cypro has you at its low end sex drive long enough you actually stop caring and stop wanting it. The poster I'm about to link to said they were on it 6 months, so it would make sense to me why they hate a decreased sex drive. Their body and mind has not finished adjusting to it. By the year mark they will likely feel very comfy with their sex drive.
>>8362440
How much you wanna bet those people with dead dicks aren't at 12.5mg per day like me?
>dfw people don't realize they can lower the dose
Also, how many of them are checking their estrogen levels? Low est = low sex drive.

If you've got the depression without supplementing b12, then I guess you're shit out of luck but such a person would be in the minority, whereas 100% of people on spiro will knowingly or unknowingly feel like shit.

>>8362435

Thank you very much.

I'm about to put in my very first HRT order with alldaychemist.com and I just want to double check that these are the doses I should be starting on

35mg of Cypro
2mg of Progynova

After one month, move to

70mg of Cypro
4mg of Progynova

Increase to 6mg Progynova when necessary?

>>8358722
Bout the same minus the e 100mgs on progesterone, 25mgs Cypro and 4mgs of e. Kinda thinking of switching to bicca cause of my aforementioned liver problems but after people saying they have hair loss no way lol. Also should I bump my e up?

>>8362471
Your cypro dose is going the wrong way..
Other than that it's fine, normal progynova dose range from 4-8mg.

>>8362490
Oops! You're right, thanks. Nothing else I need to be taking?

>>8362495
Not really, finasteride can be added if you want but cypro will reduce T and thus DHT as well anyway.
You may want to stick to the high starting dose of cypro a bit longer than a month before halving it though, like 3-6 or so.

>>8362504
6 months is the usual in all the literature I've read.

>>8362509
I personally lowered after 4 I think when I was on cypro, worked well regardless.

>>8362471
You should start at 50mg cypro and ramp -down- from there after your test is clearly nuked. You want to start high so that it nukes your test faster, then later your balls are so assassinated that 25mg will do, and then 12.5mg. Some people even wind up doing 12.5mg every other day eventually.

There was a French study where they started trannies out at 10mg cypro, and virtually all of them got to female testosterone levels on this dose. It's just that starting at 50mg will get you down to female levels faster. I don't have the link to the study but I am sure you could find it if you are interested. I was shown it on a previous /hrtg/ so if all else fails looking at all the archived /hrtg/ threads will help, for those really interested in seeing this study for themselves.

Cypro is some powerful shit.

>>8362450
>Spiro and Cypro comparisons
Oh yes definitely. Spiro is more fucking annoying, what with potassium and the peeing. THE PEEING.
I already pee every 15 fucking minutes, if I was on spiro it'd be every 5.

>Cypro's depression
>Energy drinks
You're kidding me right? Do I have reason to drink my beloved drinks again?
I'm taking Vitamin supplements already, a mixed one and it has B12.

>Besides, when cypro has you at its low end sex drive long enough you actually stop caring and stop wanting it. The poster I'm about to link to said they were on it 6 months, so it would make sense to me why they hate a decreased sex drive. Their body and mind has not finished adjusting to it. By the year mark they will likely feel very comfy with their sex drive.
This is so accurate and I do not know how to describe how long I've been trying to express how I feel about that to people when I try describe it.
My sex drive was always low and though sometimes I had an urge or feel to fap, I never wanted to do it mentally but my body felt I had to and people can't seem to grasp this that I don't want to fap. Not because of a genital dysphoria but because I simply don't want to, I see it as a waste of time.
I welcome Cypro because if it kills my sex drive because I'd only want to do it with someone else anyway.
Either that or it'll just align my body with my brain.

>How much you wanna bet those people with dead dicks aren't at 12.5mg per day like me?
>dfw people don't realize they can lower the dose
I think it's just a case of that they don't know how to deal with how much sex can be mental.

I took a medication that affected my ability to orgasm but I could come through in the end if I really put myself in the mood; I've told some other others who suffers from depression at the time to try it and they said they couldn't finish unless they stopped taking it.
I am much, much harder to orgasm than any regular guy.

>>8340365
Guys I gotta be honest, I'm not in the best place financially to be DIYing right now. Currently been on bica and progy for 3 months but it's hitting me hard. What do?

>>8362736
get a job?

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So I've been doing hrt for 2 and a half months now. Started with spiro but switched to cypro a month ago. Recently I started getting depressed all day round as well as absolutely unmotivated to do anything that is not sleeping or eating.
Any idea what's causing it and how to fix it? It's making hrt far less enjoyable than it used to be.
I've been thinking about supplementing B12, although I already consume a lot of milk and meat.
Caffeine is sadly not an option for me.
Currently on 50mg cypro and 4mg Progynova per day.

How much progy should I take with 50mg cypro. I'm 18 btw

>>8363357
4mg should do the trick.

fml i think i'm immune to bica or something. i'm still getting erections just as much as before and last night i had a wet dream. looks like i'm switching to spiro.

>>8363607
If you are trans and want that it sounds like you should just take cypro desu

>>8363610
You are lucky as Cypro sounds really nice. However I can't take it as I am not transgender and do not want the side effects.

>>8363607
>still getting erections
That's kinda the point with bica though, want less erections do >>8363610 instead

>>8363610
cypro kind of scares me. it has higher liver toxicity and causes withdrawal symptoms if you stop suddenly. i don't want to give myself a drug dependency.

>>8363648
>withdrawal symptoms
That's for does at 300mg (prostate cancer), they are supposed to lower by 50mg a time which is like the max dose for us anyway.

>>8363640
>side effects.
you mean the intended effects of cypro

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Is this an usual amount of 'hair shedding' when doing HRT? (3 months), it seems too excessive to be hair shedding to me. Even on the front of my head it's like this that it looks like a receding hairline...
You would have to pull all hairs aside to see my scalp 2 months ago.
My hair is flat and doesn't puff up anymore, its lost probably like 40% of its total volume and usually when I would wash my hair it'd be just fine and dandy for like 2 days where as now days it turns into crap 6 hours later.

>>8356172
cypro will atrophe your balls

If you want to combait hairloss / be cuter, bica is the way to go. Don't forget progynova(estradiol), or raloxifene if you don't want breasts

If bica isn't working for you, you could try spiro or even duta

>>8363794
>Cypro will atrophy your balls
Not the person you replied to but isn't that the whole point of taking the AA.
I really don't mind my balls just stop functioning forever.

>>8363794
Cypro is effective at combating hairloss too / being cuter.

The only reason not to really take Cypro is if--

You're concerned about losing your sex drive/penis functions
You're already depressed and don't want to *gamble* getting worse
Scared about liver exploding even though it doesn't do that but being scared is fine
To see if numerically (Blood tests) that you're actually getting a decent dose (Can't do that with Bica)

Reasons to take Bica is if you want a working penis and that's it really. What comes of Bica is more hassle than its worth just from the very issue of taking a blood test and not even seeing if what you're doing works; Theoritically it should because it all makes sense, except that your blood tests wont reflect that and we've had a few Anon's (and general forum posts if you look into it) about how Bica wasn't very good for them overall.

>>8363815
No, the whole point of taking AA is usually so you don't have to go through with castration, physical or chemical (and the guy I replied to said he "just" wants to combat hairloss / be cuter, thus…)

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WTF!.. My endo just reduced my daily E dosage from 3mg to 2mg, because I'm doing extremely well apparently.
I really wanted to reach 4mg, but never could I imagine she would drop it back to 2mg.

Should I be worried about the E drop? Could it be that my body reacts well to low dosages?
I started splitting dosages so I take 1 mg in the morning, and 1mg alongside with cypro. at night. Am I doing the correct thing?

>>8364039
If your levels are good I can't see any worry.
I've heard from a lot of people that staying on a lower dosage actually helps breast growth too

>>8364020
>castration, physical or chemical
AAs are chemical castration.

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>>8364382
This. By definition taking bica or cypro or spiro or any AA is to chemically castrate oneself.

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>>8364430
>>8364382
>>8364020
>mfw people don't realize that BLOCKING YOUR TESTOSTERONE PRODUCTION isn't chemical castration

The AAs meant for hair loss are topical creams you apply to the scalp! They're localized TO THE SCALP for a reason!

>>8363331
in case you didn't know, one of cypro's side effects is depression. some people say that dealing with the vitamin deficiency helps so you could try that. it helps to know that the depression is from cypro as well

>>8364459
This. When I (>>8364020) said "castration", I meant "permanent physical change that would make one infertile or unable to theoretically produce testosterone"

>tfw they put an actual /lgbt/ board on 4chan

That's like putting a gas canister on slowroast in an oven.

>>8364568
Does the word "containment" mean anything to you?

>>8364039
The blood test I should be doing in 3 months includes estradiol levels tests, finally. (after like a year without she including it on them.)
So we'll see eventually I guess...

>>8364039
>fell for the endo meme
This is what happens. They literally don't care about your transition and whether you will pass - in fact, it doesn't even occur to them that passing is important because almost all the people they see are hons.

Endos are hon makers. DIY is the only way to ensure a proper physical transition.

My advice: either self med, or don't take your estrogen for like 1 or 2 days before your next blood test to fool them into upping your dose.

>>8364459
Actually it is specifically and explicitly chemical castration because it impairs your testicles from doing their job. Even bica.

If you are on a test blocker you are chemically castrated. That's that. Objective undeniable fact. Don't make yourself look dumb anon.

>>8365122
>tfw have prescription but my levels are low so i have to self med too to get them up sufficiently
i only have to pay the half price this way bc of state insurance gives me my prescription meds free

>>8365122
>>8365148
My endo gives me recipes which I exchange for the pills and that way it costs me less than 5 dollars per box. otherwise it costs like 35 dollars per box which usually would last a less than 2 weeks while on 3mg.

I could take a higher ammount but I would end up with no recipes for the meds eventually, and having to ask her for more might seem suspicious (she gave me enough untill next visit I think)
I might pull a trick maybe. And ask a general doctor for more recipes because "I ran out and need them", since my endo only works there 1 day a week.
If doing that doesn't popup in the medical history then I think I solved the issue.
and could self med untill the days before the blood extraction.

>>8365316
>one box lasts less than two weeks on 3mg
how can this be? even self medding is cheaper than 35 dollars per box
just buy 2mg pills on qhi for 15 euro per box to self med

>>8365349
yeah... but... I live in Uruguay, Shitty south amercan country.
>Doesn't allow any packages with meds in through the customs.
>the private clinic I get the meds and get general assistance from only provides 1mg progynova boxes.

So I end up taking 4 pills a day if in 4 mg per day dosage, each box comes with 28 pills, so it runs out fast.

>>8365316
>recipes
Like for cooking food?

>>8365374
As far as South American countries go Uruguay isn't the worst for sure.

t. knows people in Paraguay

>>8365375
I think they maybe go to a compounding clinic perhaps?

>>8365374
No country technically allows you to import pharmaceuticals it's more just that they don't check every package and it doesn't set off any drug sniffers.
Just make sure you're ordering it as anonymously as possible and they can't do anything. Just say you never ordered anything.

>>8365421
In many foreign languages the word for "prescription" is very similar to the English word "recipe" and so this anon clearly means prescription, IMO.

t. speaks 4 languages

>>8365375
>>8365439
*med tickets, prescriptions, yeah.

>>8365393
Uruguay is okay, not perfect when it comes to LGBT, but defenitely not as hard as other countries.
Just that customs sucks.
And the trans community isn't specially big or well organized. And I dislike kinda dislikes those groups not because they are hons, but because they are old fashiones when it comes to trans identity and ideas.
The leder of one of those organizations actually came on TV told the reporters "The lifespan of a trangender person is 45 years and the only work available to us is prostitution" (honestly BS desu).
And good job! now no parent will let their trans sons/daugthers transition!
You get what I mean.
They have a very victimized idea of what being trans is.

>>8365426
I require to give my info and declare what I buy in order for them to release it.
We have a shitty customs.

If I DIY hrt (mtf), then I'll be buying it out of pocket. I wanna keep my sperm fertile and usable so I can freeze sperm and possibly have surrogate kids, so I wanna start off with Bical and Progynova. What should the doses be if I'm trying to cut costs? And, assuming I do get to freeze my sperm, should I switch to a cheaper AA afterward? I'm uninsured right now and it's unlikely that my family will buy health insurance anytime soon.

>>8365631
You're gonna wanna freeze the sperm before you start anything. Even if it's bica. And I've heard to cut costs you might be able to take bica every other day. But I'm not sure about that, and I personally wouldn't risk it. I'd try looking into possible clinics that focus on lgbt issues, they can sometimes help with getting hormones at subcided costs. There's a place near me that does that, however I still self med cause I have the money. But if you find diy is getting out of reach, that may be something you wanna look into.

>>8365790
I should have noted, its subsided costs based on your income if you have no insurance.

>>8365631
>sperm fertile
>progynova
that won't work, estrogen will fuck your shit up

>>8366050
Well, alright, I'll try to freeze sperm before HRT
How much does it cost to freeze a sperm specimen?

>>8366065
Differs, but when I was looking into it, was like 400$ for a year. Or like $2000 for 10 years.

>>8366065
A lot, and it's only going to be good for around 10 years max.

Not worth stalling your transition, especially considering that you need someone to have the baby for you, which is going to be either very costly or rather difficult. On top of this the kid will likely have a fucked up life because one of its parents is a tranny. Be merciful, don't have kids as a tranny.

>>8366086
>be merciful
This is why I ended up not freezing lmao. Plus if I really ended up wanting a kid with someone, there's thousands of children just wishing to be adopted.

>>8366091
Yeah, plus a tranny's kid from frozen sperm could not possibly exist in a proper nuclear family, and thus will be somewhat fucked up by default.

It would be better to adopt someone whose childhood has already been fucked up, then you can come along and try to improve it or repair it. They have already lost their nuclear family or never got to have one.

>>8366086
Yeah the 10 year thing is what did it for me. Like am I gonna have my clusterfuck of a life together enough in 10 years that I'd even want a kid? Probs not lol

>>8366109
Yeah, it's 10 years to do the following:
-finish your transition such that you could RP as your kids mother instead of its father
-get your shit together
-pay for any surgeries you want
-pay for surrogate -or- find someone to do it for free (lol good luck) -or- find a girlfriend/wife who will do it (which will also take away your chance to be the mother, while taking away the kids chance at a real nuclear family)
-actually have the girl get pregnant
-have the actual mother not keep the baby for herself in the end
etc.

Too much shit to get squared away in 10 years. Especially if you have to pay a surrogate. Pretty sure that shit is way more expensive than SRS but hey maybe I'm wrong. Either way, cannot possibly be cheap.

On top of this, have you guys ever heard of any trannies who actually were able to use their frozen sperm in time? I haven't, and I've been in tranny spaces since 2006 and been on hormones a very long time. Not saying the tales aren't out there, but the percentage of people who manage to use their frozen sperm has to be stupidly low for it to be so rare to bump into.

Freezing your sperm for future kids, as a tranny, is a pipe dream.

>>8366132
I believe most surrogacies cost around $200,000 to $300,000

>>8366145
There you go.

All your procedures 5 times over or maybe having a kid?

Your choice.

Oh, and if that kid is a girl you're probably going to be a horrible parent for it because you will be jealous as fuck.

>>8366145
Lmao fuck that
Well, damnit, I really wanted to have biological kids, but oh well

>>8366145
I think thats wrong, I heard in the range of $40,000

>>8366159
So, more than SRS or FFS? Noice.

>>8366159
I just looked it up on google real quick and like $100,000 was the cheapest I saw. Most were $200k+

>>8365442
>I require to give my info and declare what I buy in order for them to release it.
That's only required if they catch it in the first place, and if they do it should be assumed lost regardless.
That is assuming it's similar to here in Norway though, strict custom control but like 90% of qhi get through.. India stuff however they stop like 90% of instead lol.

>>8366410
Hai moppy

How does fat distribution work in the long term for someone switching up hormones?

Let's say that I(male) am low bf then hop on whoremoans and increase by bodyf% percentage so that it is disturbed in the female pattern, if I then after I'm satisfied with my fat% and distribution stop taking any HRT will the fat remain in place if I don't undergo any large fatloss or will it naturally shift around back to male distribution?

>>8367353
>naturally shift around back to male distribution?
This, but it might take a couple of years.

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18 isn't too late, right?

>>8367456
clearly too early for you, wait 20 more years

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>>8367456
Earlier the better. Anything before 22 is best.

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>>8367483
HRT isn't a huge life changing thing is it? I've been hesitating for a couple of years because I'm scared of one day just thinking it's not what I wanted but being stuck with it

>>8367483
>male privilege

>start taking dutasteride
>one day later my belly button is now moist
wot

>>8367509
it is if you care about how you look, your general bodily functions, fertility, or life expectancy
if you don't care about any of those then hrt is basically just a money sink

I need help from UK users if you exist on here, I've been trying for almost a month now to get a stupid blood test, my GP won't help untill July, and the sexual health center won't test for my hormone levels, what do I do I wanna start now, today, immediately, this second!

>>8367579
Then just start now and take your blood test in July?

>>8367509
HRT is a huge life changing thing. Socially and within' yourself.
You have to question if HRT is something you really want to do, and you may find that in taking HRT you may become happier-- If the sole act of taking a pill that grants you your desired effect, you can become happy.

I have seen many posts and stories about people who were unsure about HRT but when they took it, the fear was gone and it's what they wanted.

i have been taking spiro for 2.5 months
Should is stay at that or take something else?

>>8367639
Might want to start taking an estrogen analog (estradiol or raloxifene) so you don't get the Osteo Por Osis

>>8367585
But I want to see my levels before HRT comes into the mix, that's why I'm delaying until they take the sample.

>>8367680
bica doesn't show up on blood tests; it doesn't change LEVELS, just your body's ability to utilize it

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>>8367697
>Bica doesn't show up on blood tests

But it does. Since your testosterone gets blocked from binding, more of it flows in your blood stream. It really throws off blood tests. Your levels change.
Blood tests can't test the effectiveness of Bica because of this. You need a different test and I wouldn't be surprised if most places wouldn't do it.

>>8367697
Yea but I can still see how effective my oestrogen has increased compared to my last test, that my major reason for wanting a sample before, is that werid? I don't feel like it is.

>>8367752
Of course not but I was in similar situation too, wanted a base test before starting but my appointment with my GP was over a month away and I had hormones at home, I went with fuck it instead, not gonna be ravaged by T for another month while looking at my pills just laying there..
So that will be up to you though, unless you find a quick alternate place to test yourself, a month isn't much either but depending on circumstances can feel like forever lol.

>>8367892
Exactly how I feel, I found a private test that will do it for £80 just gonna do that, problem solved, use the one in a July to check progress.

>>8368012
These are my options
A https://www.medichecks.com/hormone-tests/hormone-mini-check-male cheaper, but doesn't show condition of my liver.
B https://www.medichecks.com/hormone-tests/sports-hormone-check or this one that does include liver health, but also a bunch of test I don't require, I'm assuming B is the best options, but I'm open to opinions. :)

>>8368059
https://www.privatemdlabs.com/lp/female-hormone-testing.php
I know many use privatemdlabs too, $67 for full test it seems, includes ast & alt (liver).

ok so will I lose head hair on bica, y/n?

Fuck bica. Been on it for 2 weeks now, and I keep waking up with morning wood. And I just had a wet dream! I haven't had a wet dream in years. Switching to cypro asap, just need my bitcoin to come through. Should I just stop mones until my cypro comes in? Which would be in like 20-30 days, as my bitcoin should be in by tomorrow, and I'm ordering from inhouse. Or should I keep taking my bica and estrofem until then? Don't want to keep taking bica if it's actually fucking me up...

Hi I just got my prometrium from qhi and now that I have it I am kind of nervous about starting it. I use spironolactone 100mg and estrace but i heard some progesterone can transform into T or make some hair grow.

Should I be safe? Is prometrium better than the other progesterone?

>>8367708
wat test is needed

>>8341561
So quick question: if cypro is blocking like all T then you dont need Fina/dutaessteride on it to stop hair loss then right? Would that just be for spiro?

>>8368549
it's more complicated than that
cypro doesn't block all T and it depends what is causing the hair loss

>>8368599
So if a friend is having hair loss they should get on cypro and fina/duta?

bica or spiro?
whats better?

>>8368606
Was literally about to ask this here since my thread got no replies. I would really like to know since these are my only 2 options.

>>8368353
are you me? >>8363607

bica is a meme.

>>8368353
>>8363645
Why did you start bica if you didn't want erections?
Bica won't reduce erections until your T levels start lowering, it may actually increase them as it increases T, but the T can't do anything except float around your veins.
Also keep taking it until you switch or T will start effecting receptors again, maybe overlap too until cypro takes full effect..
Lastly bica takes 4-12 weeks to reach full effect btw, not sure about cypro but I'd say at least 2-4 (personal experience when switching to it in the past).

>>8368606
>>8368636
Spiro is shit all the way, option should be between bica or cypro, fuck spiro.

>>8368603
If they're trans too then yes add in the cypro, if not fina/duta monotherapy.

>>8368603
**it depends what's causing the hair loss**
-if they're losing their hair due to stress (or nutritional deficiencies), getting on an antiandrogen will likely accelerate the effect, at least for a little bit, causing more stress and thus more hair loss
-if they're losing their hair due to mpb, then they would likely be better off taking fina/duta
-if they want to get on heavier antiandrogens (cypro/spiro/bica) for their effects and they also have mpb, taking the heavy antiandrogen to see the effects first before easing into fina/duta is probably for the best

>>8368606
depends what you're going for and how you react to each one
every body is different in some way or another, especially on a chemical level
if one was better than the other in every way, why would they make/sell both?
do you want to transition? do you care how expensive the treatments are? do you want to do it legally? are you ok with their respective side effects? are there other, potentially better, options to choose from? do you prefer pills/shots/etc?

>>8368683
so is hrt, what's your point?
and, mind you, these drugs aren't really designed to help people transition; they're only used as such because people noticed they have these effects

>>8368688
this
bica is a common choice for femboys specifically because it helps maintain erectile function, and it's typically the added estrogens that ruin sexual characteristics
i wish people would stop believing that hrt is full of miracle drugs that will immediately turn you into an anime girl

>>8368698
I would love to get cypro but I'm in America and doing informed consent

>>8368353
>>8368683
Where are you getting your bica from? I see people talking about hair loss and erections, but I never get that from mine I get from inhousepharmacy. Maybe you are getting some fake-ass shit.

I'm in the UK and thinking of self medding, will I be able to get a blood test easily before I start or will they try to send me to a GIC?

>>8367483
I honestly do not know why I'm still alive.

>>8368754
I posted above about a private option, kinds costly though, what's GIC?

>>8368830
Gender Identity Clinic, they're really gatekeeper-y so I'd rather not go through all that shit.

>>8368769
iktf I'm 24 I just see that chart and want to die

>>8368707
ihp here too (>>8368683)

>>8368854
>>8368769
>post has no sources, no evidence, bs percentage values slapped onto everything, and false information
>"this chart is fact and my life is over"
c'mon anons, you can do better than this

>>8368892
Not saying it's fact or anything, but it made me feel like shit

>>8368835
Ah okay, well from my personal experience the first step they sent me down was psychiatric evaluation, major issue, it isn't until September, so yea waiting seems to be a given, I'd book a meeting with your gp for a bloodtest tomorrow morning, they will probably give you one in two months away or more, then get your first one from my private doctor listed above, get results from doctor, self medicate then use your appointment to checkup on your levels, this time for free with any luck, and also enquire about going down the process, to be honest they will probably bring it after they know why you want the test.

>>8368896
I'm 22 and it made me feels this way, I think this board might be a little to harsh sometimes, but it is 4chan :-P

>>8368901
Ah, well I actually have a blood test appointment for next month I think, that's for unrelated reasons though. Maybe I'll be able to tell them to check my T levels and such too.

>>8368896
this is true, my bad

>>8368958
Sadly this didn't work for me the first time I got push towards evaluation first, so good luck, be interested in results, my hope is after I started HRT they might be more willing to help, and I'll be happier. :)

>>8368981
I heard that if you start self medding they're much more likely to help since they don't want you to hurt yourself I assume. I may just start taking 25mg cypro and if I get bad side effects I'll stop. I've recently had blood tests anyway so I know I have no major issues that could be a problem.

But yeah, I guess I'll just see what happens. Doesn't help that I live with parents and I'm trying to do this without them knowing, at least to begin with.

>>8369001
That sounds like a plan, that was my plan too, I kinda messed up and did a 2 mouths period of hormones and stopped, so I could get a clean blood test, that doesn't ruin my chances of passing right? I had like a major need to wank that wouldn't quit after I stopped, that fadded though, I was on 2mg progynova every day and 50mg bica every other day, this is concerned me a little.

>>8369001
Oh and sorry just noticed, im not sure if just taking a blocker is wise, doesn't it have its own side effects if no estrogen is used? Although I'm in bica so might be different.

>>8369058
Well someone on /mtfg/ said to try cypro for a couple of weeks, I suppose if it's all fine after 2 weeks or so could start estrogen too.

>>8368688
I chose bica because spiro is shit, and I was worried about the depression of cypro. As I've had a lot in my life. I don't care for erections much, but this is too excessive.
>>8368705
Nobody was implying they were magic. Idk where you got that from...

>>8368707
I got mine legitimately through our government's system, not online stuff. Cosudex is what I was using.

Maybe now as more people use it because of success stories spreading, the overall increase of people using it has increased and thus we're finally seeing the fruition of the potential negatives Bica can do?

Bica blocking Androgen receptors and all that stuff, it sounds good in theory but sometimes it just never works in practice.
I wouldn't put it past people to be in a situation where the increased T from the T being blocked, thus in turn causes more T to attack/bind than otherwise intended (an almost sick, ironic reverse effect) just because the Bica isn't strong enough to block every little receptor where as the T count is rising incredibly and thus being 'stronger' as a result by being able to be more aggressive in bigger numbers because your body is all "fuck there's a problem"; hence more T creation (And not just because Bica blocks T and flows in your veins, but in any hormonal medication your body responds by trying to 'rectify the balance' because we all have balls, cut them or just deal with it)

I can only imagine the best option for such people is to simply increase the effectiveness of the "shield" to block the onslaught of T being more aggressive as a result.
To harden the defenses.

But bica is expensive as fuck and if it's going to fuck you just change.

I'd always ask people to try give it a month on a medication though unless something severe happens. Bica may be giving Anon erections and morning wood but it could die down.

I'm on Cypro and my sex drive is untouched or maybe even higher now, despite being on 50mg, it shouldn't be doing this, but it is and does so it can't be helped.

>>8370775
>an almost sick, ironic reverse effect
I don't think it would be approved for prostate cancer if the was the case..
I also don't think the bica related hair loss I read about in these threads stems from mpb either since that takes years to decades..
A bad reaction to the chemicals like a ton of other medication could cause a much more likely hair loss in the pattern described here recently.
Not saying the hair loss isn't real and you should definitely stop if you get that, as even if it's just temporary it'll take a long time to regain.

>increase the effectiveness of the "shield"
If chemical reaction is the case of hair loss this would just make it worse though..

>bica is expensive as fuck
€20 for a month with generic bica on qhi so not that expensive.

>on Cypro and my sex drive is untouched
For more than 6 months? Past that was when my sex drive was getting really low, on bica and progesterone now and regaining function to some degree.

>>8370936
>For 6 months
No I've been on Cypro for about a month, but was on Bica for 3 months.
Bica gave me an fright and I fucked off back to Cypro (I always wanted cypro I was just trying to get the best case scenario and Bica was it, but I got frightened because I too experienced some hair loss problems)

But yes, hair takes a bit to grow back. The very nature of fucking with your hormones can shock your body and eject hairs naturally, a physical stress.

Being on cypro I just figured it would be attacking my balls and a low sex drive is usually one of the very first things to happen, instead I'm probably fapping a bit more than I used to before I even started HRT (including bica in which I didn't fap much at all during then)

Just seems weird to me.

>>8370985
Cypro should have taken effect at least one month in, but I remember the reduction in erections to be pretty gradual anyway.. It may or may not fade over the months, will depend on how much you use it and want to use it as well.

Curious if you made note of what specific pattern you where losing hair in though? Eg. Mpb is rescission in front and thinning on the top, other forms may be patches (big or small) coming loose at once, or just strays all over falling out at a higher rate than normal.
Also how noticeable it would be when brushing your hair, showering or just running your fingers through it.

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>>8371073
>Cypro should have taken effect at least one month in
It's silly to say but I kind of only count a month, so I don't really say I've been on cypro for a month but I should be nearing now. Cypro for me is still in its infancy, but I don't know whether my desired feminization is going to 'change' because I switched from Bica>Cypro and I have to 'endure' the process again but in a different way (Like stepping back)

>Made note
I'm an Anon in this thread talking about the hair loss stuff. (>>8363689) is my post.
It looks as though it's MPB. The front line has receded, the sides/temples have basically gone and they look to be going back further, my crown has thinned, and as per the post/image the very top is absolutely thin.
The back/bottoms of my hair is still a bit fluffy, but when I look into the mirror or something my hair is just flat as a board at the very top.
I'm seeing Dermatologist consultation just to try get answers but it could be ways away. It could be shedding, could be MPB.

I took Raloxifene with the Bicalutamide, and then around the 3rd month ending I didn't see any changes at all so I asked the doctor to give me 1mg of Progynova and I wound up with intense liver pain for a week, and then the following week is when hair began falling out like crazy.
I normally lose 5 hairs when washing my hair before HRT, but I was losing 30 to 40 hairs when I began adding Progynova to the mix and did until I started Cypro a few weeks ago. The first few days of Cypro I was losing 3 hairs, but then it turned back into around 10~15 hairs now days.

It's an overall loss and also MPB at the same time, I am unsure if it's hair that's been plagued by DHT (Thus MPB pattern) being ejected or if it is just downright MPB

Androgens are healthy for hair and I don't know if I'm nuking too much of my T since I'm a low T male (Half of the least allowed) and it's "old age women hair thinning" or MPB.

I'm really unsure what it even is anymore. I'm jsut fucked.

My levels on 6mg sublingual Estrofem after 12 hours are around 100 pg/ml, which feels very low compared to the OP image.

I know sublingual has the high peak/fast drop off thing going for it, so would it be better to take Progynova for more stable levels if my lows get to this point?

>>8371623
Estrofem is always superior to Progynova.

Anyone having experience with InhousePharmacy?
Is their Estradiol generic any good?

>>8371623

If you're taking 6mg shouldn't you be taking it every 8 hours and not 12?

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>>8371101
>Progynova and I wound up with intense liver pain for a week, and then the following week is when hair began falling out like crazy.
Sounds like a really bad reaction to progynova instead, or a combination with bica, did you stop or switch it out as well though? As you say
>but then it turned back into around 10~15 hairs now days.
(Also we can lose 100 hairs a day but I'm guessing this is an estimate on what you see when washing your hair?)

>>8372318
Not them but I couldn't keep track of that, I just took 4 in the morning and 2 at night until I eventually upped to 8 anyway, that was progynova though.

>>8372318
I do take it every 8 hours, but its recommended a 12 hour fast before getting a blood test so thats what I did. I have yet to get a blood test on the 8 hour mark