/ftmg/ - female to male general

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>>8021851
1st for brush barbies beard

>>8021312
It would be really weird if you're trans
That would be like fucking exclusively men but not calling yourself gay because you don't like the community

>>8021943
it's not unheard of, some people just transition and that's them done with it as a concept

i can dig why

>>8022038
Yeah that is what I did, you know it's like having any medical condition. You don't need to identify as HIV+ to have HIV and it's only relevant in a medical field or with a potential partner. It's not something that makes up your identity if you don't want to.

>>8022085
>>8022038
But you're still trans even if you're stealth and not a part of community, same with HIV+, why wouldn't you identify as hiv+ if you are? that's fucking bizzare

I guess I don't really get what you mean by identifying as something maybe

>It's not something that makes up your identity if you don't want to.
But it does even if you don't want to
It might not be an important part of you but it's still a part of you if it's a part of your body and something that affects how you behave and stuff

>>8022152
What about the fact I'm trans? I would not identify as such because there's so many other things that make up my identity that I never felt the need to identify as trans. It's not that relevant unless I'm dealing with a doctor, or a partner. It doesn't really affect my behaviour much, aside from having a different genital anatomy. I piss while sitting and I can't have penetrative sex. Oh, big deal. Why would I make these things a big part of who I am, since I am many other things which are also more relevant to the world than this? If I had to identify as any thing that belongs to my body or is part of my behaviour I would never stop slapping labels to my identity. Everything has the weight and importance you decide to give it. If I'm HIV positive but I don't make a big deal about it, I don't identify as a HIV+ positive person you get my meaning? It's personal and it's not relevant to the majority. It becomes accepting things that characterize you rather than making some identity issue out of it.

>>8022253
It might be, though, because it is something that's played a large part in your life or has impacted you in a significant enough way that you feel it is relevant to bring up as a part of what composes *you*. If you're HIV+ today, that might not feel very relevant to most people, but if you survived the plague back in the 80/90s, saw your friends die around you, expected to die yourself, and dedicated a large chunk of your life to the issue, then that might inform who you are to a much greater extent.

>>8022253
>Why would I make these things a big part of who I am, since I am many other things which are also more relevant to the world than this?
How do other things being more relevant make it non-relevant?

>If I had to identify as any thing that belongs to my body or is part of my behaviour I would never stop slapping labels to my identity.
That's what humans normally do, they label stuff, that's how language works
You might not want to put the label in your dating profile but it still applies to you

>If I'm HIV positive but I don't make a big deal about it, I don't identify as a HIV+ positive person you get my meaning?
No I don't at all

You're still a HIV+ person even if it's not a big deal, how can you not identify as one?

>>8022290
>how can you not identify as one?
"identify" basically means "in your mental twitter bio"

>>8022347
fuck so i don't identify as anything

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>>8022253
I think what you're thinking is that identifying as something = this is your entire being.
There are people who function entirely about "being trans" and it's a major part of their identity, but like the other anon said, going stealth doesn't mean you don't identify as trans. Once you experience dysphoria and start seeking transitioning, you're trans, whether you toss dildos at LGBT pride parades or live a quiet male life.

I don't like admitting I'm trans to people, half the time I pretend I'm a cis dude anyway, but I'm still trans and it sucks.

>>8022931
>I don't like admitting I'm trans to people, half the time I pretend I'm a cis dude anyway, but I'm still trans and it sucks.
Not him but I feel the same.

Oh god someone tell me to get off the tumblr tag for trans day of visibility

It's such a car crash.

>>8022970
Get out of the tag anon, you don't want to burst a vessel or something.

>>8022970
tumblr is terrible when it comes to trans stuff. Don't do this to yourself bro.

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>>8023075
Thanks man. But, god, the things I saw.
>she/her label stitched onto beanie
>pink "i survived testosterone poisoning" shirt
These poor wretched creatures.

>>8022152
>why wouldn't you identify as hiv+ if you are?
Why would anyone 'identify' as HIV+?
Should I identify as someone who broke their leg as a kid, or identify as someone who got a skin tag removed? Why is it anyone's business?

>>8022970
make a thread here and post the best finds for the luls

The word identifying in general is overused and an easy way for people who want attention to seek out those LGBTQIAFGBC points by deciding they're special because they say so.

If anyone told me that they """identified""" as whatever in real life I'd probably discontinue the conversation. Major red flag

>>8023747
Pretty much. There's become a difference between "i am trans" and "i identify as trans"

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I got cat-called while I was out riding my bike. feels really bad man

>>8023895
Sorry that was me

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>>8023903

>>8022085
desu I think assuming you're one of the "good trannies" is shooting yourself in the fucking foot. Putting specific effort into disassociating yourself from a label because you disagree with some of their stances usually signals you're struggling with the power that label has over you, and that you're struggling with being the label itself. Which is completely fair and valid, you should just be aware that living your life trying not to be one of "THOSE trannies" usually exacerbates those feelings.

I find that it's not that 20% of trannies are THAT tranny 100% of the time.

It's that 100% of us are THAT tranny 20% of the time. If you don't think you're THAT tranny 20% of the time, or that it's even possible to NEVER be THAT tranny, do you think trannies being THAT tranny think they're being THAT tranny?

But it takes all kinds. There is a transguy in my lgbt group I disagree with on how to handle a lot of issues. I am not a 'loud' activist. I just want to live my life and let the fact I am also trans be my activism. But there's progress that needs to be made that can only be made with the help of 'loud' activists like him, and there's progress that can only be made with 'polite' activists like me. And we can learn from and appreciate each other. We COMPLEMENT each other- no one can point to him and say transgender people are only their genders, because I point to myself and say that I'm an engineer who happens to be trans, that we CAN be normal members of society if we're allowed to be. But no one can abuse me because of my politeness and empathy, my adherence to decorum, without people like him reminding me that sometimes we have to be THAT tranny to be both trans and the functional citizens we're expected to be.

And he'll fucking support me, and fight for me even though /I'm/ the one that gets asspats and gold ribbons. Least I can do is try to see where THOSE trannies are coming from and realize it's not always a bad thing.

>>8023895
So you're saying you don't look like a 12 year old boy? Get out

>>8024024
I look like a depressed girl

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>>8023681

>>8024078
I would LOVE FOR HER to crush my balls in her massive negro arms. She is beautiful.

I just started T recently, and I'm on a weekly dosage for now.
In terms of time of day, it doesn't have to be the same time every day, does it? Will the dosage get fucked up if I'm off by a couple hours?
My recent shot was in the afternoon but next week on that day, I'll be busy and I don't really want to carry my supplies with me and shoot my leg in a public bathroom. Is it okay if I do it in the morning?

>>8024023
just to clarify, 100% not saying you have to agree with the most SJW of the SJW, just... Really ask yourself why you're considering this. I don't tell people I'm trans because it just is never really fucking relevant and I'm a private person overall, but these days it's not an active decision I struggle with. Used ask myself those same questions you asked a lot, until I made peace with being not the 'right' kind of trans, but the 'right kind of trans for me' and the fact that doesn't mean the same thing for everybody and that's okay.


Like bruh it's easy to strawman the 'transmen can get pregnant too! uwu' thing, but in reality there are a lot of people that had to go out there and talk about shit I would NEVER be able to be public about just so I have access to trans-friendly gynecologists in my state. If some transdude wants to get pregnant good for him. In a perfect world honestly I'd prefer even that could just be normal in that jesus FUCK I never want to talk about it PLEASE but because some preggo transdude was willing to tell his story (were it me literally the only thing I could imagine making the 'alien'esque experience of pregnancy WORSE would be giving INTERVIEWS about it jesus FUCK) I don't fuckin have to. Maybe it means it'll be easier for some teenage transdude to talk with his doctor about birth control, or feel more comfortable getting an iud to PREVENT pregnancy because mpregg mcgee helped make a healthcare environment where doctors are more comfortable with trans patients.


speaking of mpreg came across some fucking straight to kindle publish books pretty much revolving around bullshit alpha omega wolf theory and transdude mpreg like this ONE lady had written DOZENS of these kinds of books what the hell man. Too afraid to even browse a preview for some laughs

>>8024099
I give lesss than two shits about what time I inject as long as I get it the same day every week and I seem to be doing fine, that being said, it's probably better to get it at around the same time every day but I don't think it's a very big deal.

>>8024078
holy fuck we need more of this on tdov and not all the cringe ive been seeing

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>>8024099
bruh i aint even sure what day of the week i take it any more you aren't going to die if you miss a day or take it a day early, morning is fine. More about the fact it's an INJECTION than it is the actual testosterone. If you've just woken up and are dehydrated, haven't eaten yet, may be more prone to feeling light-headed/queasy. So what I would do is to do a few jumping jacks, get that blood pumping, chug a few sips of that H2O, eat half of a bagel.

Take a few long, even, deep breaths- Basically want to make sure all your cells have the right balance of O2 but that's important whenever you do your injection. If you do it in the morning I would recommend just being more careful you don't hold your breath or hyperventilate, as both will make you feel woozy. Make sure to give yourself at least 5 minutes to sit and breathe evenly afterward, especially if you're new to this.

>>8024099
Soon you will be strong.

I want you to join my Band, what say you?

How unacceptable is it to swim in a shirt? I want to go swimming but I am insecure about my scars.

>>8024129
Me not identifying as trans has nothing to do with distancing myself from other trans men because I find some icky. It has nothing to do with others at all it's just not feeling any reason to take the label on outside of a medical situation or when first starting a sexual relationship with someone because its not a big part of me anymore and after transition I find myself excluded more from statements that feel the need to use the label trans men than I do with statements made about men in general or white people or whatever.
Actually though thinking about it now I may still identify with the label transgender but not ftm/trans man.

>>8024194
explain your band shitposting please

>>8024345
I am brave and I will win my claim.

>>8024293
In a pool or at the beach?

>>8024352
that explained nothing but I think you might have schizophrenia

>>8024363
Pool
At a hotel specifically

>>8024172
Annoyed at all the clearly cis people posting themselves like bitch this day isnt for you stop.

>>8024023
>assuming you're one of the "good trannies"
I'm not the guy you're replying to, but I think you're doing some HARDCORE strawmanning here, and bringing in loads of presumptions and baggage instead of actually comprehending what anon's saying.
Simply feeling like being trans isn't a noteworthy factor in one's own life or a significant aspect of one's identity has no innate connection to ANY of the shit you're talking about. It doesn't necessarily have shit to do with any other people.

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>>8024293

Totally acceptable if you're mexican.

>>8024337
Well I mean /WHY/ are you thinking about this?

It's like another anon said, you're like gay dudes that say "Well I fuck men and only men but I don't identify as homosexual." Its a very weird form a semantic denial.

Except with a gay dude you could at least understand it's something that would come up enough in casual convo he'd have to clarify he was not homosexual but was making with Keith from accounting.

Don't get me wrong, that's usually my approach. Me being trans is never relevant so it never comes up, but if it does come up and is relevant I don't have any problem with saying I'm a transman. My approach is basically "I'm a transguy but I consider it a private medical condition rarely relevant to the situation at hand, so it rarely comes up." Which is word for word how I shut the issue down whenever it comes up in a professional setting. Never gotten a negative response, communicates politely its not something I hide but it's not something I want brought up for no reason.

Your experiences as a man and as a transman do not invalidate eachother, and they are not dependent on one another. You can bring up one, both, or neither. You are both a man and a transman. Saying you're transgender but NOT a transman suggests you are either a transwoman, or NB. You ARE by definition a transman. But that's also YOUR private information and you can keep it 100% to yourself and that's perfectly ok.

Maybe you mean in your head you don't actively think things like you're a transguy? That I can understand. I forget I'm trans most of the time, until it comes up. My identification as 'man' definitely supersedes that as a 'transman'.

>>8024516
No, I'll give you that. I mean maybe it's because saying you don't identify as a transman while being transgender and identifying as a man is categorically impossible. So I'm assuming there's MORE to it than that. But I guess that depends on how you define "identifying" as. Identifying as a transman but living your life as a man and never telling anyone you're trans and having no involvement in the LGBT community I get but... You're still a transman. I mean I'm open to explanation, I genuinely do not compute.

>>8024436
You might need to check if thats not against the rules then but if not just ask yourself if you would rather the possibility people think:
"That guy seems insecure about his torso I wonder why" (unless your fat then they will think thats the reason)
Or
"How did he get those scars?"
"Is he trans?"
Either way most people wont care/dwell on it or even notice. If you dont want to wear a shirt but are still worried could you cover them in some way with make up or something?

>>8024436
not unacceptable at all. People are going to assume or judge but not nearly as much as you think they are. They would judge the same if they saw scars, or if you were obese, or if you were really skinny, or if you were TOO muscular. you literally can't fucking win. go swimming.

just say you had open abdominal surgery (blame it on galbladder w/ complications) wounds closed but it looks pretty grisly and you're supposed to keep it out of the sun

aka say it to yourself until you feel comfortable with going because literally nobody will ask

>>8024590
>>8024615
Its as if someone has placed me into a group telling me I fit the core definition and then make statements about the people in the group that don't involve me and not just in a stereotype way like trans men wear bowties but in a factual way like trans men were socialised as females, trans men face misogony, trans men should have a say in reproductive health etc and when I think these things dont include me why should I associate with this label they keep pointing to the core definition. The same thing with feminists. They point to the core definition and say well you believe men and women should be equal so you're one of us but everything they do in action I disagree with so I dont use the label for myself.
I dont know maybe I'm stupid.

>>8024615
>Identifying as a transman but living your life as a man and never telling anyone you're trans and having no involvement in the LGBT community I get
I don't. How is that even identifying as anything at that point? The fact that something is true doesn't mean you actively identify as such, see >>8023578
On the gay example, I think it makes perfect sense that someone can be gay but not identify as such - as in, not explicitly highlighting their perspective and experiences in the specific context of being a gay man, anymore than doing so in the context of being a man or an American or a celiac or a manlet or any other random stat.

I don't 'identify' as having brown eyes, I just have brown eyes. What the fuck would identifying as that even mean?

What does identifying as something even mean, what action is being performed?
I understand "I identify myself as trans," as in 'reveal' or 'announce.' I understand "I identify with trans experiences," as in 'relate' or 'empathise.' But identifying AS something just seems superfluous, you either are or you aren't, and adding on the fact that you do or don't identify as it just reads as going an extra step of aligning it with your core identity.

What is the practical difference between "I am x" and "I identify as x"? Because to me, one is pretty damn clear, and the other is wishy washy nonsense spouted by attack helicopter memers and Rachel Dolezal.

Hail! Ahmad calling!

Can a kindly one show me in the direction of the Strongest FTM?

Greatly appreciated.

Most loyal battle-ally,
Ahmad son of Yusuf

>>8024647
bruhh like these are some pretty... reasonable to consider but probably nor realistic fears about the situation. where are you at and how good do you pass?

1 even if people where knowledgable about trans dudes (most are not even aware they are a thing) the likelihood someone would complain to management and that management would do anything for fear of causing an antilgbt shitstorm is super bananas unlikely.

like i would GENUINELY love to see the person confront me just so I could say I had testicular cancer and had to have my chest resculpted because I was so insecure about it.

most likely result is like you suggested, that if they notice anything its that he has scars or that he seems insecure or uncomfortable, which MANY dudes are at the pool. most people are minding their own business anyway.

99.99% of people would assume you had moobs removed before they assumed you were trans

>>8024777
What? Where did I say they would mention it to him or management? I just said there is the possibility (notice not for certain) that if he wears a t shirt they would in passing wonder (notice not dwell on it) if he is insecure about something or if he doesnt wear a shirt there is a possibility someone in passing would wonder how he got the scars or maybe assume he was ftm.

>>8024739
>Rachel Dolezal
She could be considered legitimate in the 'relate to' sense as well as aligning it with her core identity, despite being white.

>>8024078
Those gains... Ideal partner desu

>>8024952
Come again?

>>8025067
Your example of 'I identify with' can apply to her as well as trans people.

>>8024739
Semantics? In most contexts 'identify' could literally refer to any aspect of yourself. If someone asked you "Do you identify as male?" would you respond "I don't identify as male, I am male." and not just "Yes"? If someone says "I am a transguy" instead of "I identify as a transguy" would you perceive this as a purposeful choice of words? Really a context thing I guess.

>>8024735
Don't try to fit someone elses labels. I worded myself poorly but trying to be 'good' can also mean trying to be 'good' to other lgbt people. Being trans is like spirituality, even if we all got along perfectly there is literally no 'definition' anyone can agree on, our experiences vary so much. Even just in one person your perceptions change day to day. Thankfully it's possible for us all to have wildly differently experiences and they're all valid.

I mainly mean in your own thoughts, feels like you're separating what unfortunately is an important factor in things that affect your life because you don't feel you meet someone else's definition

I don't know, I can only process most social issues as systems and questions, but maybe they'd be more digestible to you that way. You talk about what other people define being a transguy as, but how do YOU define your experiences. What do you think 'female socialization' means, how does it affect your life that people assume you were socialized as female when they find out your trans? You don't have to answer, you own it, thats yours to share or keep to yourself. Those are your experiences, and they're just as valid as any other transdudes.

I don't think you're stupid at all, and what you're asking is a perfect example of one of the struggles of being a transdude, and a pretty big one. We don't just have to learn to be men (in the growing up sense) we have to learn how being transmen relates to that. I think we all wish it were as simple as 'we're just men' lol.

>>8024865
when you said 'rules' i assumed you meant like... trans people... lmaooooooo I was going to be like 'yo where the fuck are you living their are rules against transdudes at pools' then I realized my first thought was that they outlawed transpeople and not SHIRTS at the pool FML love you america, get well soon

>>8025125
Oh! Ha yeah I dont think anywhere could get away with that

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I'm still struggling with what I want to do with myself. I have seriously been thinking of detransitioning for the 2nd time. I haven't found a therapist yet. Every day I'm confused. I should really know by now if I'm a girl or boy. I wish someone could help me.

>>8025274
Maybe you're neither. I know a lot of people on this board don't like enbies, but that really is how some people are happiest.

>>8024293
post your scars

>>8025274
What are the pros/cons for you of each option?

>>8025099

But there's a big difference between identifying WITH something, and identifying AS something.

>>8025723
It's not that big and it can get pretty blurry. Consider as an ftm the difference with how you identify as a guy and how you identify with an experience only a cis guy would have, like growing up male.

>>8025768
>It's not that big
...It's really not. I don't really know what else to say to that. It's the difference between being understanding of something, and actually being that something.

>>8025785
(I mean, it really IS that big. Brainfart.)

>>8025785
As I said, do you draw that line through male experiences to separate ones you do get and ones you can't?

>>8025818

I don't even know what that means.

>>8025935
It's your own distinction. Identifying AS vs identifying WITH.

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>>8025528
It's easier and I feel like a normal human as a girl. I miss cute outfits and doing my hair and nails. I hate never being taken seriously as a girl. And I've always wanted to be a guy. Wanted.

Being transgender I have to worry about weekly shots, name change, surgeries, and the financial burden of all of it. I socialize better as a guy. I'm too afraid to change my name and get top surgery because I might go back to being a girl.

>>8025949

But what sort of things are you even talking about? It's too vague, I don't know what you're referring to.

As an example, I certainly identify with gay people and those sort of issues based on my experiences growing up feeling different and thinking I was gay etc, but at the same time I absolutely don't identify AS gay, because I'm not.

>>8025963
You can put off surgeries for as long as you want or even never get them if you're more comfortable without. You can change your name among friends without doing any paperwork you'd need to reverse and ask your school/workplace to use your male name informally.

>I hate never being taken seriously as a girl.
How does this happen?

>And I've always wanted to be a guy. Wanted.
Why the emphasis on "wanted"?

>I socialize better as a guy.
In what way?

okay, so im stuck on a lease with my ex and his mom is living with us
its an awkward enough situation and things barely get better for a bit before they nosedive again
i wanna go live with friends asap and not have to ride out this lease
so if i manage to get her to replace me on the lease, would that affect my credit? would it technically be breaking the lease?
the bills for the house are in my name too, how would i go about getting those changed? and would that affect my credit either?

>>8026037
A lot of people think girls are just dumb and silly...

I don't know if I ever felt like I AM a guy. Just that I wanted to be one.

Again, it seems I'm taken more seriously. Like I'm not so overlooked.

>>8026789
>A lot of people think girls are just dumb and silly...
>Like I'm not so overlooked.
What exactly do they do?

>I don't know if I ever felt like I AM a guy. Just that I wanted to be one.
That's understandable and doesn't necessarily mean you shouldn't transition. It's the other issues you've mentioned that make it a difficult choice.

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Why do I feel like a guy but also like I have nothing in common with cis guys? They make me feel inferior and dysphoric, while being around women make me feel like a normal guy.

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>>8026874
You were socialized as a female and probably feel out of place in a male group because subconsciously you're unable to understand the power dynamics/ social patterns. Therefore you feel insecure and like an outsider.

It's not an identity problem just more not having the male social stock that most cis dudes have built up over a lifetime.

>>8026874
Are you attracted to girls or to guys? That might have something to do with it.

>>8026891
>the male social stock
What exactly does this involve?

>>8026913
Stock might've been the wrong word, but just the learned behaviors and what's expected in various instances and social situations. If you're put in a situation that you don't know how to act in or may be missing something in, you're going to feel uncomfortable even though everything's fine. There's underlying dynamics and expectations socially and you're reacting to them whether you're aware of it or not.

What I'm saying in so many words is the inferiority/dysphoria is more a product of not having been involved in all-male spaces from the get go.

That's my .02, I said everything in absolutes because it makes it less draining to read but it's just my thoughts.

>>8026924
I agree with you personally. Anon should make a special point to learn these things if he wants to stick through with transition.

What particular learned behaviors and situational expectations do you think it's important for ftms to be aware of and adopt if they want to fit in with cis guys?

>>8027011
I'm an FtM myself so it's hard to say. I think I lucked out socialization-wise and I've got some observations but no real solutions other than getting out of your comfort zone to get the social experience that will make you more confident in male dominated scenarios.

Observation: Notice how there's a shitload of MtFs on 4chan (male dominated website) and a shitload of FtMs on tumblr (female dominated website)? I think it has to do with social programming at a young age. Females are taught to want to be pretty and special to stand out (to prepare them to be considered for marriage?) while with guys the expectation is to blend in and know your place within the social heirarchy of a particular group (workforce?) these sets of behaviors can be ascribed to tumblr and 4chan respectively.

With these differences it's expected that there'd be some insecurity interacting with males as an FtM. I'm sure MtFs have this problem too, as I imagine there's not a whole shitload of cis girls in real life situations that want to talk about video games or programming or (insert ststerotypical MtF hobby)

>>8026037
>>8025963
It sounds like you only want the social aspects of being a male, not necessarily living as one.
Just do what you're comfortable with, although as the other anon said, you might end up going nonbinary/genderfluid.

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>>8024024
He probably has a mature/angled face and therefore looks more like a soft butch lesbian than a little boy. Ftms who look like 12-year-old boys pre-T will end up looking like perma-aydens because of their unfortunate babyfaces.

Don't make fun of him, he's going to look more like an actual man than you.

>>8027079
Man, I personally always hated the idea of nonbinary/fluid. Yet I might be that? How does someone live like that without being obnoxious?

>>8027142
Damn I was just playin and you got all aggro on me

>>8027051
>and I've got some observations but no real solutions
Observations are great!

>Observation: Notice how there's a shitload of MtFs on 4chan (male dominated website) and a shitload of FtMs on tumblr (female dominated website)?
The interesting thing here is what it implies about the minority of FtMs who are on 4chan. Better integrated into maleness perhaps?

>while with guys the expectation is to blend in and know your place within the social heirarchy of a particular group (workforce?)
You're thinking anon culture is connected to that blending in?

On the other hand, anon means there is no social hierarchy. Every post is standalone and you have no continuing social status.

What are the other implications of that expectation on cis guys to blend in and know their place? What insecurities are FtMs going to have when interacting with males?

Anon's situation of being able to feel like a guy with girls but not with guys would be less awkward if he was straight. But I suspect he's gay. What about you? You said you lucked out socialization-wise so perhaps not a problem either way.

>>8027079
What do you mean social aspects vs living as one? Living as one is social and he said he could manage the social side around girls not guys, so part of the problem is not getting the social aspect fully.

>>8027185
the same way you live being ftm without being obnoxious and a transtrender, id assume

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>>8027185
>>8027226
I think the whole "nonbinary" thing is essentially a meme and seems to stem from a weak/poorly developed sense of self.

>>8027255
you just only know of it because of people who are like that. its been a thing way before attention seeking 13 year olds got their hands on it, you just never heard of it because those people were trying to not have people consider them weirdos and snowflakes. being nonbinary just means you have dysphoria manifesting in a way that cant be dealt with through "textbook" transition.

>>8027255
I think it comes from not fitting in as your assigned gender but feeling ok with being in the middle instead of wanting to fit in fully as the other gender. Transition may or may not help feeling comfortable in that socially androgynous middle.

>>8027197
>What do you mean social aspects vs living as one?
That goes toward what anon said about not wanting to transition or change their name. Those things are for if you want to spend the rest of your life as a man.

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>>8027197
Anon doesn't mean a lack of social hierarchy. Check it out, say when someone puts a space after a greentext arrow or says something that screams reddit, and another anon puts them in their place that's a form of establishing a norm. Those who follow norms are rewarded with not getting shit all over. There aren't names but doesn't change the fact that there are expectations and standards here.

I'd assume that the social insecurity could manifest however, people tend to have all different things that they become insecure about when they think they're vunerable in a social situation. Depends on the person. It could even be vague like just a feeling of nakedness or scrutiny.

I'm bisexual, currently dating a guy. I tend to keep coworkers and friends of friends unaware of my sexuality. I don't know if sexuality would enhance/change insecurity, though.

>>8027189
Because thats fiona, resident shitbag.

>>8027276
I've seen a lot of people who claim to be nonbinary and don't have any dysphoria at all, so I'd not quite agree with that. It does count for some cases though, I know one person who's nonbinary who seems to have legit dysphoria and who probably doesn't think it's bad enough to transition completely or something.

>>8027822
Nonbinary is the easiest category for snowflakes to hijack. If they don't have dysphoria they are not non-b.

>>8027822
NB encompasses:
>GNC people who're mostly cis
>Gender questioning
>Binarically trans people who don't benefit from transition and thus don't do it (such as people whose dysphoria is entirely around their primary sex characteristics and can't be helped by social transition or surgery)
>Politically nonconforming individuals
>Trans people who don't want to include themselves as binarical because they don't feel at home in the idea of complete mtf/ftm transition - often people who experience mainly social dysphoria
>People who legitimately experience dysphoria over more than one set of sex characteristics

So it's not a very useful term.

>>8027969
That's interesting. Never knew nonbinary was like that, I thought it was something snowflakes invented to be cool.

>just walking
>two small girls giggling
>they start chanting "weird girl! weird girl!"
>whole street turn to look
>they point at me
I fucking hate kids

>>8027989
"Non-binary" is like truscum; the definition isn't exactly clear. But it literally just means "outside of the gender binary". So "a person who, by choice or not, doesn't fit in the society's idea of there being two genders, their definition, or these two genders being opposites of one another". It's easy to co-opt, and doesn't really say much about the person using it. Anon we're talking about would fit better into "non-binarically trans" if we're specifying labels.

>>8028027
I thought the definition of truscum was someone who thinks trans people are only trans if they have dysphoria? What is the definition then?

>>8027822
>>8027951
Why would they need dysphoria to not identify as their natal sex?

>>8028084
First person you replied to, I said that in reply to someone saying nonbinary people always have dysphoria. What I meant was, I've met people who identify as nonbinary and don't have any, so I don't agree 100% with his statement.

>>8028084
Why would they if they didnt feel uncomfortable with their birth sex? For funsies?

>>8028151
Dysphoria = feeling uncomfortable now? That's a change from how the board usually treats it, not to mention how professionals see it.

>>8028061
It is, but people read shit into it and use it for different things. There's a lot of people who just use truscum as a slur for "person who doesn't agree with me on how to be trans"/"person who has a different experience with being trans".

>>8028195
Then what is it?
Dypshoria from Greek dysphoros meaning hard to bear. So yeah that would include feelings of unease.

>>8028424
I'm just pointing out that it is used both informally and professionally in a far, far more restrictive sense.

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I'm the anon who is thinking of detransitioning again, and I just want to say thanks for all the serious replies trying to help me out. I actually used to be slightly transphobic, where I used to believe being transgender is only a mental disorder, and I suppose, in a way, I might still feel that way personally; where I believe, deep down, I'm just a crazy, confused girl, who has been through things in life that have influenced me to believe I should be male.

I was raised by my mom, and mostly female family. My mom said I was always super girly until I had a tomboy phase in middle school and high school. The girls in my family always irritated me because they all believe things like all men are dumb and girls should just marry a rich guy and not work. I always rejected being those stereotypes. Maybe that's part of why I feel "better" living as a man, even though it doesn't feel natural.

>>8028509
Hope you figure things out, anon. That's a bumpy life road you're walking down.

>>8028509
>where I believe, deep down, I'm just a crazy, confused girl, who has been through things in life that have influenced me to believe I should be male.
I think it's wrong to think of trans as "either I'm male or I'm female". You're who you are as an individual, and even for cis people who they are isn't just one gender. You're trans when you're female but with enough masculinity that in at least some respects you fit in better as a man than as a woman. But when there are lots of respects in which you fit in as a woman too, transition is isn't a decision with an obvious answer. You have to consider who you are and how you can function, and if that person you are would be better off transitioning or not.

Whichever you chose, you shouldn't repress the aspects that don't fit your chosen gender. You are that combination, so your choice is living as a girl who has masculine aspects and is partly trans, or living as a transman who has feminine aspects.

The goal is to find what works for you, not to shoehorn yourself into manhood or womanhood. Some people in a similar position to you will identify as non-binary or agender. Femboys are a kind of mtf stuck between genders. Butch lesbians could also be considered inbetween in their own way and you might feel comfortable copying some of their lifestyle despite liking guys.

Can you relate to any of that?

>>8028540
Thanks.

>>8028545
I can relate. It's really the smaller things that are confusing me. Like should I go by Thomas or Alicia? He or she? Use a girl or male voice? Be called son or daughter? I really don't want to be a them/they kind of person. I try to keep everything in my life simple.

I will say one thing I love about T: no periods. Not having periods is great.

>>8028584
If that's all that's confusing you, wonderful! Be on T or not as you feel confident, and then take your time deciding name, pronouns, voice, etc. You can experiment, using whichever voice feels most comfortable, asking friends/family to use the name/pronouns that you feel you identify with at the time. Don't feel they are commitment. Be happy exploring them and see what settles as most comfortable over time. It might depend on your social group. Work, friends, family, relationships. In each of them you can express the side of you that you want to.

Is Absalon an ayyden name?

>>8028635
100%

>>8028724
Any way I can salvage it?

>>8028635
Sounds like a pokemon

>>8028768
It's great grandpa's name

>>8028635
Is there something it could be shortened to for casual introductions?

Maybe have it and a mundane name as first and middle names, so you can choose it you want to be ayyden or not every introduction.

>>8028761
>>8028955
he could go by Abe maybe

>>8028966
Very good thinking. I searched my head but missed that.

Assuming he likes Abe.

He can always do the middle name tactic on top of that just in case he decides later to use something more common.

>>8028856
You could use it for a middle name thats usually how grandparents names are used for grand/children.

>>8028966
or Sal

..I mean some dudes go by that

>>8028635
It's a very unusual name. At least I don't know anyone who goes by that.

t. fucker who still hasn't decided

>>8028966
That makes me think grandpa simpson

My names Dane and that's unusual enough (Did you say: Dan? Dave?) that it hasn't done me any favors so I'm assuming anything more cutting edge/abnormal than that would just create more problems

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>>8032178

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>>8032178

Not ftm but couple of questions

Are the male hormones you take the same as a person who no longer has testicles? Due to whatever reason

What forms of hormone are there? I heard there are injections which is nope.jpg, pills and patches??

How much do they usually cost per month?

>>8032689
>Are the male hormones you take the same as a person who no longer has testicles? Due to whatever reason
Pretty much.
>What forms of hormone are there? I heard there are injections which is nope.jpg, pills and patches??
Those exist but there is also a gel version. Pills aren't a good idea for long term use because they'll damage your liver over time.
>How much do they usually cost per month?
Depends on where you live, if your insurance covers it and specifically what you take.

>>8032702
Gel version? How does that work
And yeah i am looking for long term. What is usually the best methods to hormones

And no insurance, i ll be paying it myself. Southern EU

>>8032715
Why wouldn't hormones for a male without testicles be covered by socialized healthcare?

>>8032715
You just rub it on your arm or whatever. Needs to be done every day, it's quite tedious. And you have to be careful not to get it on other people.

Usually injections are given. They're the best method there is and unless you can't get injections due to medical reasons I'd recommend them. If you have a fear of needles, you'll get over it with time. I know a lot of trans guys who had a fear of needles that went away as they got more and more injections.

The price will still depend on what you use specifically but depending on how much you earn it could potentially get quite expensive. If you somehow lost your testicles, you should be eligible for having at least some of it covered by insurance.

>>8027969
thanks, anon. this makes me feel slightly better about being a more femboy leaning nonbinary what the fuck ever. nonbinaries irl have always left such a d impression of that term after i meet them.

>>8027969
>Binarically trans people who don't benefit from transition and thus don't do it (such as people whose dysphoria is entirely around their primary sex characteristics and can't be helped by social transition or surgery)
What's life like for them?

>>8032807
Shit

>>8032822
Yes but more specifically. How can they cope, how do they relate to the world, what are their relationships like, etc?

>>8032837
Drugs, suicide attemps and otherwise destructive behavior

>>8032751
Makes sense but godamnit i just show a video of injections and shivered.

And the gel does sound like a bother, how long do you need to let in you? It cant be all day right? because what happens if you sweat fro work or something.

Yeah the price is understandable, any idea how much it could be per month?

>>8032743
It is complicated, i intend to do srs and change genitals due to genital dysphoria but i never liked the idea of being a woman, it is like a genital dysphoria without gender dysphoria, i know supporn does the surgery if you have a licensed therapist like Dr. Graham approve you but i doubt insurances have anything for people like this considering it is so unknown.

>>8032866
are you the vagentleman person?

>>8032866
If you have someone else inject it into you, you won't see it even if you wanted to and you won't be doing it yourself. Considering the needle would go in your ass.

I'm not sure, I think it was a few hours.

That really depends on what you use. The price differences between different types are quite drastic where I live. What I use specifically, with insurance covering part of it, is about 3-4 USD per three weeks. I'm not sure how much it is without insurance but I do know of another type that comes to about 33 USD per month without insurance.

Have you considered you might be agp?

>>8032866
I use gel bc I don't like injections either. It takes a few minutes to dry on the skin and should be applied onto areas you're going to cover with clothes (shoulders, arms, stomach) and you'll need to wash it off your hands afterwards to minimize any transfer to other people. That'd only be a problem long-term though, say if you live with a partner or if you have kids. It's also best applied in the mornings at the same time, after a shower or bath so you don't wash it off too soon either.
Prices will range depending on where you are. For me for example I get a month's worth (though it lasts me longer as I take a low dose) for about £9. That's through the NHS though.

>>8032807
as good or as bad as they make it

>>8032900
>in your ass
Wut? The video i show had a guy using it on his leg muscle himself.


>Have you considered you might be agp?
I ve only heard that this is mtfs who want to be like women and date women.

I have little interest in anything feminine, i actually dislike femininty, i enjoy being more masculine, and a little hairy(Not hyper gym muscle or anything, just normal)
And i have no interest in women, still like men since forever because for some reason since i was young i found the idea of using my penis to penetrate repulsive and never really liked anyone using it, so i thought i was just an ultra gay bottom but even then i hated when a guy focused so much on the dick but didnt know what to say because it would be weird to be a gay who doesnt want the dick touched, its weird but since i learned it is possible legally to have srs and remain a man and some other people did it as well i feel much better being that, whenever it is non binary or whatevs

>>8032874
I ve used that term before but i have only made like 1-2 posts about it in /lgbt/ since i dont visit much, not sure if that qualifies for vagentleman person

>>8032919
>A few hours
Ah that seems good, using it in the morning is something necessary or just a suggestion? And if something happens and it is too hot or anything and you sweat do you have to reapply it later

Is a month's dose big size wise, cuz i travel around, i might need to get a 4-5 month dose with me to be on the safe side and if half your luggage is filled with that it might look like you are trying to move drugs around more than anything.

>>8032926
you keep talking about not liking your dick, but that doesnt necessarily mean you need to have a vagina. if you dont want to have your dick touched sexually just tell your partners you dont want that. if they insist you can pretend youre into chastity or something and use a dick cage, who knows, you might like it.its not that unusual. you dont need to chop off your penis to explain why you dont want your dick touched, and i doubt anyone would want to have sex with you after that anyway.

>>8032936
Well before i learned about the actual possibility of being a vagentleman(Who can imagine such a thing anyway before finding out about it)
I had an annoying case of gender confusion, like i would know i would like to have bottom female parts, but i also deep down knew i didnt want to be a woman, it made me feel like maybe i am and i am just trying to repress it but i could never really accept the idea for long.
Only after i learned about the possibility of being a man with vagina i started feeling more relaxed and harmonious i guess and stopped having this weird gender confusion thing

And yeah i know most gays arent into that sort of thing but i am not doing it for sexual reasons. Plus i have high standards so normies wouldnt suffice anyway

>>8032926
You can do thigh or ass. Thigh hurts more and is harder to find the right muscle if you ask me.
I hate needles, but I'm the US and my insurance won't cover anything but the injectable shit (and I realize I'm lucky for it to cover that).

>>8032926
>not sure if that qualifies for vagentleman person
God knows nobody else says it, man. That term is fucking gross, people remember it.

>>8032944
There is literally no term for it though, i ve heard the term cuntboy who outside being overly sexual it most refers to feminine hairless almost flat chested women, and non binary is not specifica at all

>>8032945
non-op FtM works just fine and isn't fucking gross

>>8032948
>non-op FtM
The thing is i am not an ftm

>>8032853
It can't be just that...

>>8032951
If you're looking into injecting testosterone into your ass for gender reasons and not bodybuilding, you are.

>>8032940
you seem to be under the impression that "a possibility of being a man with a vagina" is something thats going to be acceptable, and also possible to reach in the first place. srs results arent good, and you will not be satisfied with it. there are a lot of health concerns connected to srs, and you will never be able to experience full sexual pleasure like you can now. and it just looks plain bad, thats why a majority of trans people dont get it. ultimately you will regret chopping off your penis, and you will finally understand how ftms feel. dont do it, just pretend its not there or use some sort of chastity device if you dont want to look at it, or learn to deal with it like most trans people do.

>>8032954
he wants to chop off his dick and take testosterone but not transition into a woman

>>8032926
You can do it in your leg muscle too but ass is recommended, especially when someone else does it for you. Leg muscle is (as far as I'm aware) only done when a person does their own injections.

>>8032948
Non-op ftm isn't the right term for a man simply seeking SRS though.
>>8032945
There was one guy I saw who called himself the "mangina man" I think he was called Joe.
>>8032926
It's recommended to apply it in the morning, probably so you have more stable levels throughout the day. It should be applied at roughly the same time each time it's applied too. Sweating hasn't been much of a problem for me and I sweat a lot. If you exercise in the morning or something then apply it after you've showered.
Travelling with your stuff shouldn't be a problem if you have the paperwork for it with you i.e. prescriptions. And a month is generally 30 sachets of 50mg gel, could be more or less depending on the brand.

>>8032956
Trust me, if i wasnt certain about it i wouldnt be planning on it. and the results Supporn seem good enough, and desu even if it isnt that great it is better than what i have.
Plus like i said, this isnt merely about sexual shit

>>8032963
Ah i see, not sure if ll be able to have someone to help with that, especially when im abroad so leg muscle seems to be other option outside of gel

>>8032967
>Recommended to apply it in the morning
Are four hours usually enough, i work as an officer on a ship so i ll not be going on the deck during morning watch but after that i might be going out, and when you are around the meridian the temperature is usually pretty high and just getting on deck can cause you to sweat

Also just so i know in case something terrible happens, how many days can you go without testosterone because your bones start to get fucked? Doubt it ll happen but it is better to know if you have any idea
>mangina man
Yeah i know the guy but he isnt really a good example, it is what first made me learn about it but the guy was apparently an mtf, then decided he didnt like it and obsessed over being some hyper muscle gym guy and even made a porn channel about being a guy with a vagina, his entire life revolved around it, he later also tried to commit suicide a few times, and was always close to a therapist, then he just deleted everything and tried to get away from the internet, probably the healthiest choice for him but not really very stable

>>8032956
>there are a lot of health concerns connected to srs,
What are they?

>and you will never be able to experience full sexual pleasure like you can now.
In what ways would it be inferior to what a cis woman can experience?

>>8032993
http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/SRS.html#anchor358378
>Once released from the hospital, the main concern facing the newly postop woman is to insure that her neovagina heals properly, and maintains its size and remains functional. In order to do this, the patient must dilate frequently using a vaginal stent for an extended period following surgery.
>Vaginal stents typically range in size from about 1-1/8 to 1-1/2 inches or more in diameter (28 to 38 mm), and must be inserted to full depth (4 to 6 inches or more) into the woman's vagina for 30-40 minutes several times per day for many months after the surgery. Increasing sizes are used to gradually widen and maintain the vaginal opening during the postop recovery period. Later-on, especially during any prolonged periods of sexual inactivity, basic dilation must be done at least once or twice a week to insure maintenance of vaginal width and depth.
it also doesnt fully lubricate, and the only actual way you can experience pleasure is by an object hitting your prostate, and your sexual ability is going to be lessened because you dont have a clitoris which gives the majority of sexual stimulation. theres also an srs thread if you want to know more, where you should probably go ask questions

>>8032993
Not him but outside the usual possibility of complications which are present in most major surgeries it doesnt have anything big.

Though it has less nerves compared to a female vagina.

But again, the feeling changes based on hormones, testosterone apparently makes it more intense but short lived while estrogen makes it weaker but more long lasting.

>>8033020
Yeah dilation is pretty annoying indeed.

You have a clitoris, they use the part of a the penis head for clitoris. Clitors technically is just a non developed penis so they just use the penis for it.

>>8033024
yeah, i phased it wrong, iirc its less sensitive since it has less nerves than a clitoris which is what i was trying to say. thanks for the correction.

>>8033020
>>8033024
I saw the SRS thread and replied there >>8033064

Closet case here. Fallen down the rabbit hole again watching trans guys on youtube. Now I'm sad.

>>8033149
Any upsides to being in the closet?

>>8033160

Freedom to be a pussy.
Not dealing with the downsides of coming out/transitioning.
That's probably about it.

>>8033173
>Freedom to be a pussy.
In what way?

>There are men who want to become ftms by getting a vagoo
At least more people will understand our plight of no men wanting us because vagina is icky ewww

>>8033191

In that I don't have to actually nut up and deal with this shit, and can just sit here being ineffectively sad about something I could change.

>>8033198
Your life is passing you by

>>8033198
What sort of things? Examples, and how it's different for you repressing vs if you transitioned/for cis guys?

>>8025274

Same.

Wish the SJW meme would die out so I could live a happy nb life without fear of association.

>>8033209
Yeah. It's just kinda hard to care a lot of the time. I can't imagine not feeling like I'm just waiting out the clock, so it's like why bother. Which I guess is why watching these sort of videos is hard, because obviously there's something on the other side, but I can't see me getting there.
Bit of a catch 22 I guess, I feel like there's no point to life because I have this issue, and I can't find the will to fix this issue because I feel like 'what's the point?'

>>8033212
Not sure what you're asking, sorry.

>>8033267
Eeh why not just do it then? Most of transitioning is just sitting around waiting anyway.

Dyed my hair. Fear I look a little silly but I like it so hey.

Do any of you guys dye your hair?

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>>8033288
You look tasty

>>8033278
No

>>8033192
Eh, we may have a smaller dating pool overall but there's still plenty of dudes into us out there.
t. FtM living with a gay cis dude

>>8033376
How did you meet?

>>8033376
I know, but then you have to remove certain types of people
People who just want to fuck you because they find men with vaginas exotic
People who are not your type character wise
Sluts and people who want a lot of sex
Then filter them with my personal filter

And then there's little left

>>8033278
Dye it colors that pass for natural, or go bleach blond. I've had an array of unnatural colors in the past but it doesn't really suit my style anymore and I like being somewhat stealth.

Bleach blond is good, though. Kinda Billy Idol, yanno?

>>8033428
I mean the first category isn't a problem for me if it's just fucking around, and people with high libido really isn't either way. But my genital dysphoria is mild and I've high libido myself.

Anyway, my gf is cis, we met at a geek event but she was already into me at that point. There exist plenty of people, most just haven't considered it and don't seek us out.

>>8033278
I've had anything done on my hair in my teenage years, kept it 40cm long and I've ranged from purple to carrot orange to bright red to completely bleached to three colours at once. I ended up ruining it and had to cut it short. Now I've grown out of that, I just keep it my natural black colour, but I stick with letting it grow long.

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My dog had a baby.

>>8033819
Pupper!

>>8033819
Name him Absalon, Abe for short. Or Waffle. Call him waffle.

>>8033391
We met online on a dating site actually.
>>8033428
I dunno man. I didn't have any trouble finding people who were both polite and ok with me being trans and weren't just talking to me because I was trans.

>>8033899
I'm naming him Deacon because I predict he'll be a little shit like his father.

Damn guys. I've gotta vent. I transitioned VERY early, lived in a shitty environment but struck out on my own and got it done. The community was so awesome to me growing up, and helped me so much. I'm older now and 100% stealth and living a full male life. But nowadays I don't associate with the community. I don't tell a soul other than my gf obviously and one or two close friends. I don't post about it. I hide during trans visibility day I feel like I could be helping out so many younger guys dealing with the bullshit I did. I just don't want to give up my perfect illusion. It's like because I pass so we'll i just have to stay away from the others so nobody finds out. To the rest of the world I'm just another 30yo white guy.

>>8034263
Sound like you should name him dookie

>>8034306
You're not alone, I don't associate with the community either. I didn't transition early like you, but I'm stealth as well.

>>8034306
I also transitioned very early and this general is pretty much the only trans community I associate with. I enjoy living stealth also. Just do what feels right.

>>8032943
>Thigh hurts more and is harder to find the right muscle if you ask me.
I've fared well so far but I'm still scared of fucking up one day.
Anyone have tips for where to stick the needle?

>>8033278
I dye it burgundy, debating going light brown.
My natural color is dark brown/"natural black" and it's pretty boring.

>>8034867
You guys are probably right. But I can't help but feel just meeting some of these guys could show them that anybody can make it happen. I'm probably just being a feelsy faggot about it. I got the girl, house, lawn, chest hair, dog and car combo kicking. I should just be happy.

>>8033278
Can't judge, mine is green.

>>8035001
Why do some of you guys find it hard to just stick it in the thigh? It's been easy as fuck since my first shot and I had never even touched a needle before.

>>8035001
Just go to the side right on top of that big muscle. And yeah it hurts like hell. As lame as this sounds I always thought about Captain America right beforehand. How that injection turned shrimpy little femboy Steve into a ripped square jawed superhero.

>>8035126
Cap has been my hero since before I realised I was trans, I think the transformation awoke something in me.

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How does applying to college work if you're an FTM with transphobic parents

>>8035565
Same as it always does.

>>8035375
Alright boys, post the men who inspired you

>>8035565
Apply to somewhere far far away

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>>8035631

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>>8035631

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>>8035631
desu

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>>8035631

>>8033819

Spay and neuter, you mong, reeeeeee

>>8034306

Dude you're living the dream. You could always write an anonymous article or something. Knowing that stealth is an option is just as valuable as the visibility stuff, which isn't for everyone.

>>8033819
Cut your nails cuck

>>8021851
>apply to a bunch of jobs a few days ago
>finally check my email
>actually got two emails back
>both the better jobs I assumed they wouldn't be interested in me
>going to show up for an interview tomorrow

Ohh Shieet boys I'm gonna have spendin money again!

>>8036635
Nice mang. What kinda jobs?

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>>8036635
Same to me, except I'm still waiting on interviews.

Luck to the both of us

>>8036651
Nursing assistant but I'm just doing it while I'm in school and then I can hopefully more onto a less shitty job. I'm just nervous cause this will be my first job out of the closet

>>8036786
Thanks and goodluck bro

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>>8035631

sorry if this is dumb, but i thought you guys might know about this stuff best.
basically i'm mtf but the breast growth is getting difficult to hide now that the weather is starting to warm up. are there any ways of binding that don't damage breast tissue? i'm already wearing kind of a tight sports bra, but i'd need to wear whatever for like 8-10 hours a day

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Hmmm. Fascinating. You're all very well grounded compared to mtf, can I ask some questions?

>>8038628
Anything tighter than a sports bra will make your boobs saggy. If you're looking for light binding get the economy single layer binder at ftm.underworks (the half tank that's like 17 bucks) and get a size up. Just be aware this might stifle growth.

>>8038673
What do you wanna know?

>>8038682
It seems like a far more complex setup, do the majority of ftm keep their womanly parts? My country doesn't have anything like this so its interesting to see what can be accomplished in wealthier countries.

>>8038693
Most FtMs don't opt for the expensive as fuck surgeries. I've seen some decent results but there's a choice between two different surgeries and neither seem to have the effect that I'd like. I bet it'll get better down the road. The two types are metoidplasty (pull release clit to make micropenis) and phalloplasty (make penis out of forearm skin) if you wanna learn yourself up.

I wouldn't want to pay for something that is expensive as a house if it's not perfect or there's sizable risk of complications.

>>8038713
Ahh, I thought so but I've read a little only with a small glance so I was curious to see what a general consensus of these operations were.

all i want is a Y chromosome, even if i still had to do all the trans bullshit. i just want to have a son

>>8038834
You can still have kids. Freeze some eggs or watnot. 50% chance male offspring.

>>8038846
cant have a son if i dont have a y chromosome

>>8038861
You failed biology class didn't you

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>>8038938
can you explain to me how two people both with two x chromosomes can produce a child with an xy pair?

>>8038954
You do understand that two people with XX chromosomes can't fertilize an egg with sperm and therefore can't have a child, right? The egg needs to be fertilized whether you're using a surrogate or what. Something tells me you should research this a little more.

>>8038954
You didn't say anything about another xx. Use her as a incubator for your eggs and call chad for protein donations.

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>wanting to breed
Some people never learn

>>8038984
I just think that even if the kid was born in 10 years or so having a trans Dad who used his own body for birth would fuck the kid up emotionally. Even children of same sex couples are more statistically prone to problems, I'd imagine it'd be worse for children with trans parents.

have you guys ever found chat rooms that have people that like to fuck ftms?

>>8038991
All kids get fucked up. The difference is how they use the damage.

>>8038991
>implying i would ever get pregnant and give birth
>implying i would ever tell my child i was trans

>>8036635
(Almost) same. I applied for two jobs, literally next door (10 min walk), still nothing after almost two weeks. I think I might have to go check in person because clearly their "send you CV here by e-mail!" was bullshit.

I'm applying for a job at N*tfl*x now.

>>8039031
>>implying i would ever tell my child i was trans
>implying lying to children to "protect" them wont fuck them up big time because you let them create a false unrealistic world view and when they get proven wrong by reality they might just get into denial like homophobes

>>8039071
i would not do that to 'protect' my child, i have no interest in letting anyone know that i am transgender, i am a man, and my child will know me as such

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>>8039083
Good luck explaining when your kid inevitably sees you naked

>>8039083
It seems kinda inevitable that your child will find out though. Think about it, you'd have to explain why the surrogacy, your scars, and unless you get SRS he'd know as soon as he ever saw you naked. Then there's your family who know you are trans, maybe your partner's too. Do you think they would never tell him if he was curious? Especially when he's an adult and it's going to be much harder to hide things from him. Idk

>>8039166
well my wife would carry him so thats normal, i used to be a fatass and i already need skin removal on other parts of my body, my chest wont be particularly out of the ordinary, and well i have never seen either of my parents naked so. i feel i can trust my parents to not tell him, i hate my extended family and my grandparents will be dead.

>>8039083

Kids think whatever you tell them is normal. If a kid has a trans dad, he'll just take it for granted as no big thing.

Man why are mtfs on this board so crazy? This general is so open to tourists and questioners and shit, even when it's enbie sorta shit that people don't necessarily buy into, just whatever helps someone. But any time I wander into a thread populated by mtfs it's all rabid "trutrans vs agp" insanity. Zero chill.

>>8039192
But why would you want to keep that secret from your son, instead of letting him know his family history?

>>8039192
>yfw your son grows up to be a rabid tranny hater under the impression that he doesn't know any

>>8039245
Women

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>>8038954
Dude learn some basic biology, how the fuck do you think two biological females can mate without an egg fertilizer

>>8039383
But you'd still need a Y chromosome from some man. The FTM's father would be a natural choice for a kind of familiar connection, but still, you need a Y chromosome from somewhere outside the two partners. Unless the wife is MTF of course.

An MTF and a cis girl on the other hand do have the chromosomes between them for an XX daughter.

>>8039383
you can make sperm out of bone marrow

>>8039394
Yeah no shit that's why you need a biological female plus a biological male in *any* case. The MTF+cis girl one is biological female+biological male. It's exactly what I said.
>>8039399
Can you? I mean, I know there were studies for it. But it's not doable yet, or at least it's never been done as far as I'm aware.

>>8039410
no, it is a viable tech, just has a higher risk for defects and can only produce daughters

>>8039414
Link some research that proves it's viable and it has been used, because last time i checked it was "yet to be successful". They only created sperm cells, not fully developed sperm.

>>8039414
>viable
>only produces daughters
>higher risk for defects
So it has actually been done to make a baby or is this all just in theory? Any article links?

>>8039426
>only produces daughters
Just early transition them.

>>8039432
I'm not having kids. I would rather have a ranch and a menagerie of different animals desu.

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>>8039245
>tfw no crazy mtf to shove me in a suitcase and roll me down a big hill

I don't know why I bother

>>8039516
wtf? mtfs are for getting hurt not hurting people

>>8039426
Different anon here. Read the articles a long time ago too. They've only tested it on mice as far as I'm aware. No human testing yet, that's for sure. It only creates daughters because it's a sperm created from an XX person, therefore there is no Y to be carried on to the child. I forgot why there was a higher risk for defects but at the very least, they haven't tested this on humans and some defects could only be noticeable years, maybe decades or even generations later.

>>8039410
Mtf are female though?

>>8039755
yeah, but penis still means biologically male. they have xy chromosomes and were born with a penis, even if they are women. saying someone is biologically male doesnt mean you dont consider them women, its just means you understand how biology works.

>>8039755
They're male women, if you want to be accurate.

>>8039755
No they're not biologically female, they're women socially and phenotypically but their genome and their DNA is male, so in the field of reproduction a bio female + a bio male is all that matters. And an MtF happens to be a bio male, just as FtMs are bio-females. Not debating they're less of a man\woman, I'm just stating a scientific fact which is what matters when you're talking genetics. And bone marrow sperm has never been done on humans, so you still go back to needing male sperm to fertilize female egg.

>>8039794
>>8039935
>>8040033
Sorry, I was just trolling because I wasn't paying attention and thought I was still in a Cara thread. Didn't mean to shit up your general

>>8040053
its forgiven, its not like we dont have people thinking this is mtfgen constantly

I talked to a qt girl at the store today

>>8026789
>being overlooked because I'm not a guy.
You'll be incredibly disappointed. Merit and confidence in your abilities will get you what you want. What your seeing is not intrinsic to being male.

>>8026913
Not over thinking shit. It's not some obscure puzzle that involves secret handshakes.

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I've wanted to live as a male for years and years now but I'm still kind of doubting myself because I like guys and I get scared when I hear people call gay ftms just confused fujoshits. On top of that I still act feminine sometimes since I'm forced to hang out with girls all the time (I'm too scared to attempt coming out). Do you guys think there's hope for someone like me? Or should I just keep repressing these feelings?

>>8042677
My personal advice is don't repress but try to find ways of expressing your masculinity short of transition. Wearing guy clothes, having a relationship where your bf is happy to treat it like a gay relationship, etc. It doesn't have to involve coming out. Then see if that's enough to help your dysphoria or if you need to consider something further.

>>8034306
You could say you're an ally or you know somebody who is if you'd rather stay full stealth? I get wanting to be involved and give back, I'm hap-hazardly trying to do the same where I am. Hell, maybe even just donate to an organization you know actually helps trans people (hint: It's probably not the HRC, they've been decent lately but they don't give a fuck about us except as a chance to make money off us. At the national level anyways.)
I don't know my dude, the more I find out about local activism in my town the more I see what an intensely dramatic shitshow it can be. As a marginal community we're more easily targeted by assholes looking to manipulate or make a quick buck, there's been some real horror stories. I can get why people would not want to associate with that.

Do what works for you ultimately, no respect loss if you opt out.

>be repress/closetmode, presenting as butch lesbian
>pass as male a third of the time
>get read as male in public in front of friends
>one of them gets all affronted for me and starts to try and make a thing out of it
>try and defuse with humor: "nah don't worry about it, i was even seriously considering transitioning for years it doesn't bother me"
>same person keeps fucking bringing it up now and it makes me want to an hero

I've made a snafu, can I fix this. I'm afraid about directly telling them to stop bringing it up because I'm afraid acknowledging it will make them bring it up more and make it hard to keep passing off as a half-joke.

>>8043570
Why don't you just come out

>>8043649
>socially transitioning without HRT
>having all the shame from people thinking that i'm severely mentally ill without any of the actual dysphoria relief from medically transitioning

no fucking thank you. if i could take HRT without coming out i would've done it already

>>8043657
If you're passing a third of the time and have friends willing to defend you, your life sounds like it'd be easier if you just told them you're trans and working on getting T.

Shame is in your head here, assholes are gonna be assholes, and you're already male presenting so what does it matter?

Plus, if you live in a shithole country it counts as RLE and might even be a requirement

>>8043657
What are you? Social transition definitely can help dysphoria

>>8043657

Why not come out and get HRT...?

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Ok my calf muscle just cramped and I fucking died.
Why has god forsaken me?

>>8044183
Because you skipped on magnesium in your diet

Any idea how long without testosterone gel before your bones start fucking up?

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Is Machine Gun Kellys real name Aiden?

>>8044183
>Why has god forsaken me?

Ave Satana desu

Evening lads

>>8044480
Morning

>>8044290
No idea but maybe post-SRS trans women on this board can help you out. If there are any, I wouldn't know. Maybe in MTFG.
But if you still have your ovaries intact you won't suffer any osteoporosis without T although I wouldn't advise missing a dose if you can help it.

>>8043657
Dude just do it, if you already pass as a man most of the time, that's the hardest part is passing. The rest is easy shit.

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>tfw grew 3 more chin hairs for a grand total of 4

>>8044584
Not this anon >>8043657 but in same situation. I daren't come out socially before HRT despite passing fairly often, I'm just shit scared. I think the fact I still have tits and a feminine voice (for a couple of examples) just throws me off and I don't have the confidence...

>>8044635
I've got like...5 pre-T ? I'm seriously struggling not to pluck the fuckers out

>>8044644
HRT took me several years to get after I came out. It can be a lengthy process even if you're not a minor when you come out, like I was. May as well get on it now if you're sure HRT and surgery is something you want in the future.
As for coming out, it should be mostly just... fine, if you're independant from your parents. I don't know how your friends and family will take it of course, but even people in my life who had horrible reactions to it came around to be respectful eventually.
Good luck my dude.

>>8044644
This is so true... Everyone thinks that t is the magic pill that's going to make them pass, it's really not. There's no point in waiting to "start t" because you have no idea how your body will react with it, it might be awhile before you even start to pass 100% so you should just come out and get the worst over with. It sounds like you have a head up with that which is good. I thought I would get an easy out because all the rest of my male family are built like lumberjacks, so once I got on t my lumberjack genes would take over and I'd be a chad in no time. Nope, it turns out I'm just a natural twinky faggot and I didn't start to pass for years on t until I started hitting the gym on the regular.

>>8044722
>so you should just come out and get the worst over with
Seems the opposite to me, why not get on T and see what it does, then come out when there's promise of passing?

>>8044743
If you can pass at least some of the time pre-T, you're likely gonna have passing in the bag by the first year.

>>8044722
>>8044644 (me)
That's pretty true, I can't expect T to work miracles but...eh. I still feel like such a fraud. At least if I had some results on T I'd feel better about myself and not feel like a fucking transtrender/tumblr special snowflake. Like, HRT would make it seem more...serious? That I was serious about transitioning? Does that make sense?

I just don't want to come across as a butch lesbian - looks like a dude but soft feminine skin, and a girly voice etc.

>>8044699
Thanks dude, appreciate the reply. I'm an adult and have lived away from home for years so that's no so much a problem and I've yet to get a first appointment with a gender counsellor so T is a very long way away right now. But I have to live as my gender for at least a year, and I think I'm going to really struggle as in my mind, my looks scream "girly butch lesbian" even if I pass without trying sometimes.

Lads, is it common for you belly to bloat even if you don't have periods anymore? I got cramps (not right now) as if I stil had it.

Right now my belly just bloated out of the fucking blue, it shows because I'm /fit/ and it pushes my abs forward. What the fuck?

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/ftmg/'s opinion on mohawks? I don't mean those shitty faux hawks that every other guy has, either...

>>8045298
>Mohawks
No one has these
>Faux Hawks
So 2000 and Late

>>8045298
works if you have a punk/roughish aesthetic and already pass

otherwise, good luck boyo

>>8045302
I don't really care if anyone has them or not. What are /lgbt/ approved dude hairstyles? I don't want to look like I have a baby face/lesbo haircut...

>>8045322
Aesthetic and passability is fine as far as I'm aware, but I'm concerned it'll uncover the lack of a strong, masculine jaw

>>8045161
I get it a lot but I do have IBS. Although it's normal for your belly to stick out after say having a meal.

Pls help ftm , I have a freetom stp but I keep missing.
Is there a efective harness?everything was good for like 3 months but I failed now and I'm public right now fuck everything

>>8045665
practice in the shower?

stps are a meme anyway, sitting to pee is goat and doesn't make me dysphoric since anyone can do it

>>8045665
Where's that anon that stands to pee with no equipment? If he can hit the toilet with just hip placement the. You can with an STP.

>>8045681
theres a lot of cis male who dont even pee standing! Practice in the shower

>>8045298
I was going to say something about the shape of your head but something something skull size autist.

Anyway, if you actually style it, sure. I had a mid thing between mohawk and undercut for a while and it was making me pretty clockable. But that was before T and also has more to do with already pegging you as outside the norm than being feminine.

>>8045333
A legit hawk is pretty masculine already; compare male and femme hawks and there's a distinct difference. If you've a soft face it's probably even better than generic short hair; it's a pretty rough style regardless of gender.

>>8045681
Standing is gross. I'm sick of washing off my roommates piss splatter off the inside of the toilet ring.

I need to get new glasses, what would minimise babyface? And I'm sure I'd be too chickenshit to pick men's frames, opticians sales assistants hang around like vultures while you pick frames after a test.

I feel ultra feminine lately... The more I realize I'll never measure up to a real guy, the worse I get. I used to be somewhat aggressive and confident and masculine, but now I just feel submissive and like I serve a more girly role now than ever. What the fuck do I do, /ftmg/?

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>>8046312
start lifting/exercizing, get on T, either except the fact that you'll never be a troo-man or repress the fact that you were ever a female in the first place and start getting phantom dick feeling like I do

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>Browse last few posts in thread.
>WTF, sensible talk about style and fashion and no drama.
MFW I realize I wasn't reading /mtfg/.

>>8046181
Go for rectangular/square frames

I got frames from the men's section before coming out or anything, no one thinks much of it. It's just glasses.

>>8046372
I already have the phantom dick feeling and don't consciously acknowledge the fact I was ever female.. But for some reason I've developed this *huge* inferiority complex in the last couple months and don't see myself as one of the guys or anything.

>>8046600
Not only this but lately I've been watching porn and imagining myself as the female. This disgusts me so much and I'm closer to an heroing every day.

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>>8046181
Top heavy but straight frames work well. Wayfarers, pilots, and clubmaster are all good models for me, because while my face is rather square it's not very structured and I have a rather soft browbone. Generic thin, square frames work well too, because it's just not something girls tend to opt for.
Watch out for angles; one thing you want to avoid like the plague are cat eyes.

>>8046685
Oh, also, no one cares if you shop from the men's section, just be careful that the pair you pick isn't too big or wide for your natally female face.

>>8046526
This

>>8046604
Why don't you just search for ftm porn instead? It's not as rare as you might think.

>>8046048
Thanks based anon

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Keeping with the style and fashion trend...where could I get men's shoes in dainty woman sizes? Also has /ftmg/ done a fashion/haircut dos and don'ts picture guide? If not, why not?

Some don'ts:
>PLAID ANYTHING
>beanies
>pic related


Anyone contribooting?

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>>8046685
Good advice man, thanks. But haven't wayfarers been pegged a hipster geek glasses? I like them but I don't want to look like a tool.

My last frames are like pic related and I'm pretty sick of that style tbdesu.

>>8046813
>don't neckbeard, even if it's the only beard you can grow
>do shave it bc it looks like trash
>don't dye your hair wacky colours

>>8046870
They definitely have a reputation, so if you're worrying about being clockable, maybe don't go straight for them. Another option is to play with material and colour; I've seen transparent and wooden wayfarers, and while they definitely look a bit hipster they can work great if you look style-conscious otherwise. On that topic, match your glasses to your jewelry; if you've gold frames your jewelry better be gold too. If you want something classic and subtle, tortoise is really good and not nearly as harsh as black frames.

Again, super-thin frames are always a safe bet, regardless of the shape of the glass.

Also look for actual ray-bans, there's a difference between being retro-classic and just being a few years late to the hipster rim trend.

>>8046741
First problem: I'm straight. Not into men period. So all this sudden feeling inferior and imagining myself as a chick FEELS really unhealthy and bad to me, therefore it is. What do I do?

>>8046813
My dad was really small for a cisguy and he'd order his shoes from some catalog back in the 90s.
In modern times, I've found shopping in the young men's/teens department helps.

Do's:
>Get your suits/tuxes tailored
>If you want short hair, make sure to get the sides cut very short. Having it slightly long is what gives it that lesbian vibe

Don'ts:
>Wear form-fitting pants pre-T or before the fat redistributes. The hips/thighs will make you instantly clockable.

>>8047084
Chill out and lay off the porn.

>>8047084
>not into men
>into the inferior gender

Shit taste senpai

I don't have any real advice for you sorry, I imagine myself as being a chick sometimes while watching and I'm pretty sure I have a cissy fetish or something. It doesn't really bother me. I just accept it and realize that it doesn't really affect my identity as a man.

>>8046939
>>8047089

Good job guys, if we get some more I'll make an infographic type thing

>>8047047
You shouldn't wear gold framed glasses unless you're middle aged plus, and even then gold is more a womanly thing

>>8047268
>cissy fetish
Heh, cis. From my own personal experience I can say it's not too uncommon for FtMs to enjoy a dicking and be into subby and sissy shit.
NBD honestly since a lot of guys like that anyway.
>>8047084
>Straight
I used to think I just liked girls once too..

>>8047297
Some more I just thought of
>don't taper your sideburns into points
>square them off
>also square off your hairline with a razor if you have a particularly short hair cut/ask the barber to do it
>make sure they square off the back too
>shave your face even if it's just peach fuzz, it's good practice anyway

>>8047338
OP (of the question) here and yooo some of us aren't fuckin fetishist bi women like you

>>8047426
Lmao at you calling me a bi woman when I pass all the time and I've probably been transitioning longer than you anyway, but *you're* the one watching het porn and imagining yourself as the woman. And you think you're better than me because you're disgusted with yourself?
Chill the fuck out

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>>8047549
>I've probably been transitioning longer than you anyway

I didn't know it was a competition

>>8047577
>>8047577
>>8047577
>>8047577
>>8047577
new thread

>>8047567
It's not, but I can tell this guy is young and stupid.

>>8047383
Awesome, good job anon!