So /lgbt/, what is the actual rate of passing for transgender

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>>5619789
this tbhqh

The only study was a self-report of a large sample of trans people at various stages of transition. It...could have been a stronger study.

I'd say only like 10%, max, pass and look pretty/cute.

It depends on the age group. Start in teens I bet it is high. 30+ it is really low. I think I am the only one who even comes close. Wow I sound like a conceited asshole, but honestly I haven't met anyone my age who passes that didn't start as a teen.

I can't decide who I dislike more though. The ones who don't pass and are miserable or the ones who don't pass and think they do.

100%

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This thread.

there are 4 major groups of dimorphism that produce passing

face, upper torso, voice and social features

since social stuff can be mostly learned that's not super relevant so we look to the bell curves for the first three

the probability that a male will fall into female dimorphism sufficiently strong enough for strong facial passing is about 20% and weak passing is 40% for an average of 30 %
this probability is similar for upper torso. so we have two 30% probabilities here
1/3 * 1/3 = 1/9 chance of passing upper torso and face wise combined.

upper torso can also be countered with good fashion but its quite hard

then I would say the chance of a male being able to produce a suitably passable voice is probably around 70%

so stealthable trannies are probably around 10% total

another perhaps 10% could pass fairly decently but can be read by perceptive folks

and then on it goes in terms of passability. I would say around 70% really dont have a shot of passing without surgical aid

now in reality trannies don't ALWAYS train socially and voice wise so the rate of passing is quite low perhaps 10% stealth and 15-20% passing.

>>5619869
>tfw you will never ever have the balls to go through with an hero'ing

>>5619869
what is wrong with this thread?

>>5619851
why would you dislike girls for being miserable about dysphoria? do you have no empathy?

>>5619887
That seems low. I don't know why though

>>5619889
Its depressing as hell.

>>5619785
I don't know of any solid numbers but assuming you are talking about stealth passing as an mtf to where you are almost never clocked and/or assumed to be born female?

The chances are in your favor if you start before 18. After that it becomes very derivative of your genetics. By 25 you'll have to have extremely amazing genetics, and only the rarest 1% can pass beyond that, and they will almost unanimously pass only as a transgender and not as AFAB. I can almost guarantee you that anyone proving they pass flawlessly at that age is absolutely bullshitting you and the first thing that comes into people's minds when seeing them out of the corner of their eye is "wow are they trans?"

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>>5619888
I heard that sometimes when people get depression medication, they kill themselves because they finally had the motivation and energy to do it. That'd suck

>>5619892
My internal transphobia is greater than my empathy for one, and I consistently have been shit on by hons since I came out is two.

I get they are miserable. Yeah dysphoria makes me miserable too.

>>5619898
Yeah, before they actually kick in after 4 to 6 weeks, they first make you even more suicidal.
I know if I started with them again I'd probably do it. Same thing last time.

>>5619898
desu I've tried but they were pussy methods of hanging and cutting

I'm talkin about real an hero attempts liike jumping in front of a car/train/off a bridge or setting oneself of fire/shooting self

maybe someday...

>>5619896
It is right. As the Buddha said though. Life is suffering. So live life.

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>tfw i was feeling way better before this fucking thread

what are the odds of passing when almost everyone says you will?

>>5619897
> and they will almost unanimously pass only as a transgender and not as AFAB
>pass only as a transgender and not as AFAB
Are you sure you understand how passing works?

>>5619924
Yes, I do. Lots of transgendered women say they pass when it really that they get gendered female in public out of other people being nice to them. Everyone can tell they are trans even if they look female from certain angles.

>>5619924
There's a difference between being gendered female and people actually thinking you're a girl.

>>5619942
This happens a lot. I am terrified this is my situation.

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>>5619919
The same as if no one said you would. What people say doesn't really matter desu

honestly this thread is b.s

go to the passing thread

i'd say it's like 40%. based on the people who post there.

>>5619964
>tfw friends encouraged you to do it and called you beautiful and now you feel like a politically correct joke and not really female

>>5619785
Its somewhat subjective and certainly there hasn't been actual research into the subject. If you're worried about if you'll pass or not just post a pic and people will give you (mostly) honest opinions.

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>>5619976
Guess why I for one don't post there...

>>5619942
>>5619950
Literally any unpassable hon could get gendered female in public out of niceness though. That's not passing.

>>5619992
>>5619964
>>5619952
>>5619942
>>5619896
>>5619869
>>5619853
>>5619793
>>5619789


>>>5607010
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>>>5607010
if this nigga passes on an anonymous image board where people have no reason to hide there opinions. then you will all be fine lol.

>>5620018
That's exactly what I just said. Read your shit carefully next time.

>>5607010
He does not pass, especially on the later pictures posted in the thread. Also the images are incredibly blurred for a resolution of nearly 2k pixels.

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>>5619785
In my personal experience I would say around half of FtMs end up passing, and like 1/10th of mtfs. In my entire life Ive met like two other passing mtfs, and one of them was a plastic surgery trainwreck.

>>5620021
She does look a lot better than I do though.

>>5619952
welcome anon

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>>5620033
well read the comments

the majority of people thinks she passes so...

>>5620021
its usually good to test it out on other boards in face threads, usually as masculine or not trying as possible

>>5620021
There was really no need for that.

>>5619895

Many cis girls may not completely "pass" in all areas (slightly andro in some perhaps), but I think the years of estrogen kind of negate this. I'm not sure of the number of trannies that can actually pass without all 4.

>btw not >>5619887

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Sadly this is the truth.

Also, by passing I mean "would be mistaken for a cis woman under any situation", not "I wear so much make-up that I barely look human anymore".

>>5620042
>thinking that you pass from a 2007 potato camera focused on a single area of the body at a time
Also note that nobody asked if he was female. They all already know that he is male. That's not to say he wouldn't pass if he ever transitioned on HRT, but rather that 4chan is predisposed and sometimes obsessive over liking guys that dress like girls.

>>5620078
> nobody asked if she was female

but she passes so who cares

it's fucking 4chan. these are where you are going to get the rawest opinions. there are literally no repercussions.

it's like saying nigger for the first time. it's gr8 because you know you won't face consequences

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>>5620097
> she

>>5620097
It's 4chan, but these are people's lives asking for help, which is partially their fault yeah but 4chan's opinion of "yeah you look like a girl" from a blurry face shot is hardly going to mean shit when you walk outside presenting as female. And again, I never said he wouldn't pass if he ever transitioned on HRT.

>>5620097
>raw opinions from people who know nothing about transitioning

>>5620038
Thanks.

>>5620069
Also, pass to other trans and pass to normies is way different. I can spot other trans when my friends can't.

>>5620097
I still fear this place hugboxes. I am that insecure.

>>5620127
or angles and lighting

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>>5620103

> not she

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>>5620127
>>5620135
so the same opinions of the people you guys are trying to pass for?

>>5620148
nah cause 4chan has a fetish for guys in girl clothes and makeup, especially lgbt obvs=iously

>>5620097
>>5620128
Is it just me or do trans people on /lgbt/ in general pass far better than the ones you find in other places?
eg my college campus is filled to the brim with pig disgusting hons and brahs who have "trans pride" and don't even bother making an effort to pass. Places like the trans subboards on leddit aren't much different and don't even get me started on susans.org and the like where everyone is over 40 and at least 6'4 with beardshadow that looks and feels like fucking sandpaper.

The passing thread is a bad example, because plenty of us can pass from a good camera angle, make-up, and lighting. Not to mention you can't tell how they sound, and a guy voice will giveaway even the most convincingly female-looking tranny.

I'd say the 10% figure is pretty accurate, overall. Probably about 10% of MtFs are able to pass as convincingly cis women in day-to-day life. It's more like 60% of FtMs that can do it, because they tend to start younger, testosterone gives you some unmistakably male features (facial hair and man voice are very easy to get, and a massive amount of passing), and men in general tend to have less-strict standard of appearance. Hell, I think men in general are much more diverse in appearance than women. Women look fairly similar overall, while men can look like aliens between each-other.

tl;dr - mtfs barely pass, ftms mostly pass, the world is round

>>5620159
so they say that then lmao

saying somebody is fuckable and saying somebody is passing are two very different things

>>5620164
please read the fucking thread >>5620078

>>5620162
I think this place helps you pass better. It is why I come here. Honest opinions are truly hard to come by in real life. I have noticed what you have in real life too.

>>5620163
I agree

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>>5620171
>>5620097
>>5620127
>>5620148

>>5620195
fuck off animefag

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>>5620128
/lgbt/ hugboxes a little bit, but no where as bad as reddit does.

I don't get the hons I see on reddit. All these 30-40+ mtfs who decide to transition with bad wigs and chiseled jaws, then get hrt and go out in public? Like, do they have absolutely no social awareness at all, can they not tell that they are acting completely like a fetishist? Still, it's not even as bad as the hons on legbutts.

I guess I just can't fathom how anyone who comes out in their 30-40s+ had authentic trans feelings. It just seems like they just don't have any social awareness whatsoever and are going through a midlife crisis or something...

All I can say is that hons make me nervous as a young person who can't transition until I go to college

>>5620206
don't be as nervous anon. just be comfortable in what you can control and believe in yourself.

http://imgur.com/a/qWpxv

>>5620206
I wish I didn't agree with you. I really wish I didn't.

I would explain my traumatic life, but it does get old trying to honestly explain why I didn't transition young.

41 year old hon here.

Hons make me nervous too. This is like one of the only safe places from them. I love you mean people for chasing them away, but it does hurt my feelings as I totally think I am just delusional and actually one of them.

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>>5620227

I already have a little album of people that kinda look like me from /r/transitiontimelines and any other places I can find

I just wish they would update them at least to 2 years, and even past a little. I know when people pass they basically drop away from lgbt stuff, but going on /r/transitiontimelines gets tiring when all the timelines you can find are either <6 months or pre-hormones (wtf)

Even some of those in the album don't pass to me, so if these are people that are supposed to be "passing" it still makes me nervous.

>>5620206
I dunno, I can fathom that someone in their 30s or 40s could have suppressed their feelings. I mean, what else could they do about them? The odds of getting onto HRT back then were next-to-zero.

But yeah, a good number of hons I've seen in real life are clearly either fetishists, or they've seen it as a means of invigorating their life (mid-life crisis). Of those I've seen, there were a few that didn't even get on hormones. They just wore really sexual clothes (leotards, tight skirts/shirts, fucking latex), and put on hideous amounts of makeup. It was when (at 16) I was forced to go to a trans group for counseling (per the doctor's request). Honestly couldn't make eye-contact with the loons.

I've seen the people on reddit in their 40s that just talk about "well I went on hormones for a month, and decided I'd go full-time outside as a woman". Like, they go on about ~confidence~ and how they totally pass (when really they're just getting courteous people calling them 'she' because they feel awkward).

Do these people even feel fucking dysphoria? (And no, "social" dysphoria does not count. Don't make shit up)

>>5620251
A lot of them really don't and are abusing angles and lighting, and just part of the wave of timelines that surfaced a few years ago.

>>5620242

At least you're self-aware. Honestly, I think some people just didn't have dysphoria bad enough to transition. I used to have really bad dysphoria, but when I decided to transition in college, it kinda went away and was replaced with an apathetic depression with occasional really dysphoric months that's kind of my personality now :/

I would get at a point where I would start feeling really nervous if I was actually "trans enough", and it would basically force me to go through my feelings and re-evaluate if I was actually trans, and then the nervousness would go away for a couple of months....

basically, if you're at the point that you can work through these feelings every time you get them, I think you shouldn't be worried about if you are deluded or not.

>>5620259

The late transitioner at my support group outright says she has never had dysphoria and it started as a fetish. She says it turned her trans. She found a company with a good non discrimination policy and has a company stuck.

She is 6'2 before putting on 5 inch heels. Brags about going to the ladies room. Is constantly out campaigning for trans rights.

just omg.

>>5620259

I feel sad for anybody who was trans in the past... it was basically just kill yourself or live with it. Sometimes I think that if I had been born in like the roman era or something I would have just killed myself after a while.

But if you're 40, you've already wasted half your life so you probably don't care about society that much and just want to express your feelings...

I guess I'm just kind of frustrated that I'm sitting here, trans and wanting to transition but I can't because I go to a religious high school. I hate how since the religious institution has basically become the entire community, the only way to actually transition for me is to go to college and cut all ties to the church and hope no one find out

>>5620274
I understand what you mean.

I won't deny this is a real struggle. No matter how much I hear I pass I often feel not good enough.

Is that truth or is it dysphoria.

When I don't feel dysphoria am I just in a delusional state.

This is confusing.

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>>5620295
>Is constantly out campaigning for trans rights

So this is why everyone on Earth hates us, and we're the shittiest minority to be?

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>>5620295
jesus christ that is sickening.

>>5620323

Well, I would think that the only goal of transitioning is to relieve dysphoria, so if you pass and you don't feel dysphoria, I would just say to go out and live your life.

>>5620332
the only people who want to represent us are the fetishists

>>5620318
I care about not being homeless and looked at like a monster. My identity is so important to me. I want people to like me. I want to fit in as female. That was the whole point of transitioning.

I don't understand any other reason to do it.

>>5620332
I agree. After the incident with the FTM where she just let the guy flip out on me I am done with that group.

>>5620335
Indeed it is.

>>5620336
I haven't totally rid myself of dysphoria, but I hope to. I have only been on hrt 8 months.

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>>5620349
>After the incident with the FTM where she just let the guy flip out on me

Go on...

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>>5620349
>>After the incident with the FTM where she just let the guy flip out on me
>Go on...

>>5620342

Yeah, because the people who actually pass just disappear into semi-stealth, unless they're famous or they've already made being trans

>>5620349

I would say that everybody wants to fit and be accepted into society, transitioning is also to rid you of dysphoria and allow you to grow as a human being.

Sometimes it feels like I want to improve myself and get better, but I can't because I can't transition, so right now my life is to just wait for transition to start and post of legbutts, and then I can actually start improving my image, I guess. Freshman year in college will be fun to go through during puberty .__.

also >>frogtext pls

>>5620357

I decided to go to a trans support group Monday. One of the facilitators was ftm. He is very far along in transition.

They brought up the topic of questions you hate. I said I hate the question when did you know cause sometimes people really want to know your narrative and are looking to judge you.

The guy says. Right there are no bad narratives.

I joke. Yes there are. Say if you tell everyone you became trans from a bee sting. The guy flips out. He gets very angry and I was honestly scared. The guy stormed out of the room and went outside. Another ftm and a mtf follow him. I knew the guy, but not the girl.

I just kinda sat there and didn't know what to do. I just felt treated in a way I hadn't in a long time. Really afraid and I had a pretty bad panic attack. I was afraid to leave while he was out there so I had to sit there while he had his violent steroid rage.

He finally came in and sat right next to me again and I just ran out. I drove around for a bit and finally got through to a friend who let me come have a breakdown at her house. I was shaking and crying. I have never fealt like this before.

I was just brought to tears. I totally lost control and had a panic attack. I still feel shitty from it.

That and the giant hon have really just made me never want to go back.

Houston is hard. This is hon city.

>>5620379

wow I totally didn't finish that thought

I meant to say made being trans a part of their public identity or something

>>5620381
>there are no bad narratives

...Yes. Yes there are.

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>>5620381
> he got mad

is that it? what a fuckin let down story. r.i.p i thought he like threw you or something

you have to read situations better. at all lbgt events you know how they feel about the narrative that not everyone is doing it for the right reasons.

>>5620403
Right. The I became trans via accident or disease is bad. This isnt' something you catch.

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>>5620381
>there are no bad narratives

>>5620381

wow, I've heard that going on T makes you more prone to violence, but not that bad.

To me, lgbt groups (at least for trans people) feels like an initial group of decent people, but as trans people start passing and dropping out of the group, all the people who are left are SJW who have made it their personal vendetta or identity to lgbt, and the non-passing trannies who need constant validation since they can't pass or something. Repeat ad naseum until you get a distilled group of the worst lgbt people.

Mind you i've never gone to a lgbt group cause i'm in the closet so far it's snowing, but that's what it seems to be the case at least some of the time.

>>5620407
The dude had a legit roid rage freak out. I was scared.

>>5620421
I think there might be something to that. I hadn't been back to that group for months, I just felt like it. The SJW's are so mean. They really hate me too.

I argued with this guy Jef with one f who is obsessed with gamer gate and omg they were mean. Attacking me on facebook until I put everything on private for like 3 months.

They are the shittiest people of all time.

>>5619887
>trannies don't ALWAYS train socially

This is whats gonna hit a lot of you in the ass, people, especially cis girls, know when they are talking to someone who hasn't quite lived a similar life and hasn't had the same experiences.

The only way for them not to smell that on you is time and experience as a passable girl because your personality reflects who you are and where you've been.

And I'm not even going into female hierarchy stuff which is a whole other ball game for attractive girls but is a hell of a lot of fun for smart and pretty girls who can navigate it.

I'd say closer to 1-2% fully get to that point.

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>>5620542
It isn't that hard. You just have to embrace it. Only one of them knew I was trans. They the others didn't come off as just being nice to me.

Also tell me I am pretty you fuckers. I need validation.

>>5620552
They know anon, they know.

>>5620575
No they don't you bastard. I fooled them lol.

>>5620586
awww honey

>>5620552
>that dead smile
oh lord

>tfw you have exceptional genes for passing and started hrt at 18 but will probably be clocked at some point

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>>5620552
> those eyes
> that make up

stop stop stop stop

chill with the god damn make up. is that skin or crayola?

i feel like without it you could be pretty fkn passable.

i'd say 60% of people would pass you tho despite all of this. crazy how much make up bitches wear these days

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>>5620621
It really sealed the deal

>>5620589
Don't aww honey me. I totally am pretty and passable. My grandma even said so. waaaaaaa. All the hons say I am beautiful.

>>5620621
Dead smile. lol I was happy.

>>5620653
That is picky. I thought I wore appropriate makeup. The Chronicle said I have tidy appropriate makeup. You are just jealous.

>>5620678
you make snow look flesh colored

don't get me wrong I PERSONALLY think you pass. people that are trans themselves might notice but you're fine

but i could pick you out of your friends every time.

just saying you could improve that's all. i think the dead eyes just comes from poor lighting

>>5620711
The sun is bad for your skin.

Also, which one do you think I am?

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>>5620791
I'm guessing the most left, although to be honest, it could be any one of you

>>5620552
I cant tell which one is trans help me out. Left or right? Cant tell the dead smile either i must be autistic, get told i have dead eyes a lot

>>5620806
ok. You picked me. The pale skin thing threw me. I don't have the most pale skin of that bunch.

I am soooo close.

>>5620812
Far left is me.

>>5620814
Don't beat yourself up, it was a guess between everyone except the black chick and the top one.

>>5620822
I really dont see the dead smile or see your makeup as being too strong, i mean it's hard to tell from that quality and lighting

>>5620814
You look like my dad in a wig tbqh.

Maybe my mind just exaggerates masculine features cos I've seen transwomen most of my life, either way you stand out like crazy to me.

>>5620829
Thanks I feel confident sometimes. I felt great that night. Not bad for 8 months and being 41. As long I avoid being a hon who should die.

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>>5620841
Thanks for your non hug boxing opinion.

>>5620858
Dont worry, just because you don't completely pass dosent mean you look like a hon train wreck, you look pretty good actually, i dont think people would be embarrassed to be asociated with you

>>5620887
Thanks. So far people seem to not be ashamed to be seen with me. I go out in the daytime even, and to job interviews.

>>5620858
People are always against hug boxing but never talk about the opposite, stab boxing. 4chan seems to be the only place it happens. Don't just take something as fact because they were being brutal about it.

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>mfw arguing over a noisy-as-fuck picture that only shows the face

btw I only clocked you after looking over the picture several times, normally hons don't pass with your face shape, as it's masculine.

Jesus people seem catty today. If you want a decent opinion, take a decent opinion with a decent camera. Phone lenses fuck up the fov and all phone sensors are trash

>treatment for gender identity disorder is gender "transition" and sex "reassignment" which in reality is impossible and would be more accurately described as simply stuffing your body with artificial hormones and mutilating yourself
>this only reinforces the delusion and adds co morbid disorders like body dysmorphia, OCD and depression
>most people in the "community" are obsessed with their appearance and how well they're able to deceive the public into thinking that they're real women
>"passing" is highly unlikely for most cases and those that fail either entrench themselves further in the delusion or commit suicide

Explain to me how this "treatment" isn't only exacerbating your mental illness.

>>5620914

Please go back to /pol/, we have have you people posting every day now

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>>5620678
dude i'm actually retarded. i thought you were the top one

i'm this idiot
>>5620653
>>5620711


i got btfo'd

you pass just fine here to normies. anyone who says not stares at trans people 24/7 or is angry

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>>5620900
Thanks. Sometimes I want to hear negative things because I have low self esteem.

>>5620902
ok

>>5620945
Thanks. ha. That poor girl. Why does she get picked as the trans. She is cis and really gorgeous. Must be the eyebrows.

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>>5620949

I thought I've seen your photos on reddit, but I'm too lazy to find anything. I might be remembering someone else, because I didn't think they passed all that well.

However, you actually pass really, really well, especially for someone who's older than 30. Congrats I guess?

>>5620964
I have never been to reddit in my life. Or tumbler.

Thank you I guess?

>occasionally get gendered as a woman in boymode
>this happened more than a few times at my old job when i had short hair and wore a baggy man's uniform
>once it was in a food line with people 2 different people that were looking straight at me from 3ft away
>occasionally get weird looks from men in the men's bathroom
>one older man paused and walked out once he saw me

Do I pass?

>>5621027
need a pic

Lol @ people who put such a premium on passing.
You're doing it wrong.

>>5621089
It's kinda important.

Ketchup: I Pass.

>>5620949

25 and scared as shit about passing. I just started talking to a therapist for a month and finally broke down to try getting mones off the web. If I end up looking like you I'd be happy.

>>5621089
I understand the sentiment, but if you don't pass it is hard to have a normal life with a good job.

>>5621249
I am sure you will be fine. I looked so terrible before transition. If hrt can do this for me it can work for you too.

Attitude is most important, then voice. I worked on voice before really ever thinking about my appearance.

>>5621249
Oh and thank you so very much.

>>5621306

Any tips for working on voice? I've been able to raise my voice, but I haven't been able to make the leap from gay voice to female.

>>5621377
Have you tried YouTube? I heard they have tons of great tutorials

>>5621386
Only a couple, though. I know about the voicebox trick, I tend to do that naturally when speaking, but I need something that sound better.

>>5621377
I worked on it in small bits. When I practiced I would sit with perfect posture. Back strait with feet planted on the floor. I would visualize where my voice what resonating. You slowly try to raise that point higher and higher up to your throat raising your pitch.

Once you have pitch though you don't want to quit. Just talking out of your throat or nasally isn't really passing. I would describe how I do it is I moved where I produce my voice as up in my throat but kinda throw it back down into my chest to create resonance and not sound fake or have that trans gravely voice.

Then practice practice practice.

>>5620259
>>5620206
pls no bully ;__;
i didn't ask to be like this and if I could be normal I would
at least you guys just get to transition and be done with it

>>5621775
You can do it too. What is stopping you?

40% but 39% of that are ftm

>>5621846
i see what u did there

>>5621786
well because i only want to in the first order. i'm not particularly feminine otherwise so my personality does not match up with my physical desire. this is the burden of the fetishist.
for the legitimate transwoman, transition is better across the board. for me, i would be a freak among regular society and a freak among extended society

>>5619785
SJWs can't get rid of the concept. You can always tell the difference between actually passing and people being courteous.

Not that them being nice is a bad thing...

>>5622048
>You can always tell the difference between actually passing and people being courteous.
how?

terribly low

I actually can pass off as an African village woman, out in Hawaii I passed 100% haha

On the mainland with effort and the right clothing I can get 70% with black folks and white queer people clocking me the most.

>>5619785
I started hormones pretty late at 27.
I feel like im both masculine and feminine looking.
I feel like im slightly attractive but im nowhere close to being considered cute.

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>>5620295

W H Y

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>>5620206
>as a young person who can't transition until I go to college

Be a man and just transition now. Grow some balls dude.

>>5620381
Did you ever consider that that guy may have been turned trans from a bee sting?

>>5622403
Haha

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>>5622403
I just tell everyone my black foster dad molested me as a preschooler and now im a white woman who craves the bbc.

>>5622531
Wow that is actually what happened

tfw turning 20 this June and want a sex change but not sure if I would pass. My face is not that masculine (my beard makes it somewhat) but I have a deepish voice. My upper torso haa always been somewhat broad even when I was at my lightest of 140.

This sucks because I was offered a sex change when I was 5 years old and I was too scared to take it.

I couldn't sleep. I think this thread broke my mind. I look horrible. I am going to kill myself very soon.

I feel like there is no point. Even being the prettiest hon in the world doesn't change the fact I suck.

I was feeling so confident for several weeks.

I feel impending doom.

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>>5622549
>This sucks because I was offered a sex change when I was 5 years old and I was too scared to take it.

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>>5622562
Need someone to chat with?

I'm trans too so I know what you're going through.

>>5622549 here again. I think I am just going to go for it and kill myself if it doesn't work out well. I have nothing to live for anyways. There is always surgery to fix my features, and I can always be mute if either I am unable to have a passable voice or surgery to alter the pitch does not have a good effect. Tfw can't do anything about my torso though. I will just muddle through and find fashionable options.

>>5622377
I wish I knew

>>5622581
I do. I feel really shitty

I feel actually physically I'll from Dysphoria and self hate.

I can't stop crying.

What is wrong with me? Why aren't there normal people for me to talk to my age?

This is just so lonely.

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>>5622611
Do you have a Steam account?

If you do, my Steam name is BanAnnah. I'm online now if you still need to chat.

>>5622652
I don't have one sorry. Maybe I should try to sleep. This is just one of those times where like time itself is something I am having to endure. The minutes are just going by so slowly

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>>5622659
Well there is your problem right there! You clearly don't play enough video games.

They are the best form of escapism you know. Even better than anime.

>>5622652
Mind if we talk? I feel pretty much the same.

>>5622604 once again... Fucking hell I am conflicted. I really really want this, and have ever since I was really young. I don't know if I could ever recover from it if I ended up looking awful or something went wrong.

>>5622677
Don't watch Anime either. Say Dragon Ball Z once.

My dog is farting like crazy other than that I am staring into the darkness and this tiny phone screen

>>5622693
I can't recover either way and that is with people telling me I pass.

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>>5622687
Not at all! I'll still be up a little while longer at least.

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>>5622699
So have any hobbies then? Even like, real, non-nerdy NEETish ones are fine.

>>5622713
No. I sort of just read depressing stuff online and argue with people. I don't have emotionally healthy habits.

I need a purpose in life. I need a job.

I hope the OP feels real good about making this thread, you just triggered a bunch of people.

>>5622760
We deserve it. I mean what was I even thinking about when I decided to do this. I have literally destroyed my life.

>>5620381
If you don't mind me asking, where in Houston was this support group? I've been thinking about attending one, but now I'm terrified xD

>>5622871
The Monday group is at Grace Lutheran church.

There is a Wednesday group at Montrose center. That group tends to be younger, There is also an under 18 group at Montrose center.

Don't let me dissuade you. I have met some nice people at these groups, but honesly they don't help me too much. I wouldn't recommend the Monday group to young people honestly.

I think the Montrose center is a great place for all kinds of support. If you really need to talk to someone they will help you.

>>5622771
Mine was destroyed way before that, but getting kicked around with all these threads lately sure doesn't help.

>>5622891
I might go. Might.

I know this may sound terrible, but I honestly hate a lot of Trans people. Well, desu I've never met one irl. I'm terrified of the psychopaths I've seen online in the community, and I don't want to witness that shit first-hand.

Still, I need to get me some new friends. I lost everyone who was close to me when the news of my trans-ness leaked. I want friends who can understand what I'm going through.

>>5622909
I felt like shit before, but wow some of these threads lately are really fucking with me too. Mostly it is real life fucking with me.

>>5622922
>desu

Fuck you autocorrect. I already know I spend far too much time on this shit site without you reminding me.

>>5622922
Not everyone is a psycho. I don't think I am. There are some nice people. I agree that many trans are toxic. We are often traumatized people.

In fact omg there is an actual true trans therapy group starting based around trauma. It is legit. It will be run by two doctors. One is trans. I would really recommend you check it out. Dr cole and Dr tran. They seem nice. I didn't pick up the info but I hope it starts soon. I don't think they are going to let hons in. They are serious.

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>>5622760
Feel a little guilty desu

>>5622952
>Dr. Tran

Heheh.

Sounds pretty cool though, I may check it out. I'm fucking horrified of hons, holy shit. A hon-free trans group? Count me in.

>>5622952
And you don't sound like a psycho. You seem pretty cool desu. Very knowledgeable about the community.

However, just so you know, if we ever happen to attend the same t-group and the hons try to get us, I'm using you as a human shield.

>>5622982
Yeah I pretty excited about it.

>>5622997
lol you may use me as a human shield. In fact the groups aren't all bad. In fact a person I met a group noticed me on facebook super early and could tell I am sad. She is taking me to lunch at the galleria.

Also, just because you aren't a hon doesn't mean you aren't a little crazy. Nikki Araguz is pretty crazy, but shit she is awesome and I love her.

>>5623043
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FbfnqR_hG8

>>5623043
Damn, such a group makes me wish I was in the US.

>>5623059
They realized that the Houston trans scene has gone to shit with crazy hons and tumbler ftm's. The only way to keep them out is an invite only group run by actual professionals that use real criteria.

Thank God. The sad part is they have been seeking members for 4 months and haven't found 6 in Houston yet. I know I am in, but that is all I know.

>>5623082
If they could issue me a referral letter for SRS I'd leave this red tape european hellhole in a heartbeat and join...
Here you mustn't be trutrans to even get hormones prescribed it seems.

>>5623138
TX is informed consent. Most doctors require a letter, but they aren't hard to get.

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>>5623160
I've been trying 3 fucking years to get one...
Though I suppose for informed consent I'd need to be a citizen or something? Probably couldn't even get a greencard.

>>5623178
Need to be a citizen in TX omg that is funny. No you sure don't.

>>5623244
Then why the heck didn't I take a plane over there yet?
I mean citizen of the US though, not TX. Or at least a visa or something.

>>5623272
There are many non citizens in TX. Houston is a sanctuary city. You better be Mexican or Vietnamese to really find help though.

>>5623276
I'd think out of all, they wouldn't get help. I'm German.

>>5619942
Almost nobody irl is this nice. If people think you look like a man they will at least glare at you disapprovingly and at worst physically harass you.

Check this out https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bXn1xavynj8

Its kind of sjw-y but this is what people are like to trannies who don't pass. The catch is, she's not even trans. Just a really tall / large cis girl.

>>5623286
If you are white German you will be fine. If you are black German it will be weird.

>>5623365
Wow, what a drugged up mess edited that video? I can barely watch it like that.

I just can't imagine thats really what happens to trannies in the majority of the US. I mean look where's she's at, that's like the most degenerate area ever from the looks of it.

>>5623371
>black German tranny
Now that's what I'd call exotic. I'm luckily white.

>>5619887
I love when people pull numbers out of their ass.. Mind, I'm not saying the explanation is shit.. it's not, it's actually fairly decent (at least the first portion of it it) but those numbers have absolutely no backing and, because of that, are meaningless.

>>5622562
Stop coming here. Seriously, it's for your own well-being.

>>5623365
You might be right when it comes to smaller cities, especially towns that have less than 50k people or that live outside metropolitan areas. However when you're in a city like Seattle or Portland people will go out of their way not to offend you.

And I've seen that video before, it undoubtedly will horrify taller trannies.

>>5623365
That looks like the trashiest most disgusting normie cesspool in the country.

It's also hilariously pathetic to see landwhales try to start shit and then haul their lard asses out of there.

>>5620206
I think it's cause of a lot of them are autistic so they are used to feeling like freaks

>>5620552
Your brow bone makes you stand out

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>>5624906
Really?

>>5624995
Oh Jesus 3ffun Christmas my shadow is indeed horrible. I have a wedding to be in Sunday that is why I am letting my skin heal.

Bleck

>>5625003
While it is true I have a wedding. I should have gotten laser before I came out and got fired. I am the stupidest hon ever.

>>5622952
I mean how do you distinguish though. Like does that mean you need to pass well to join or ?

>>5628550
Don't have to pass but just can't be fetish based I guess. I would be pissed if they let a fetishist in. It is traumatic to people who aren't and this is based around dealing with trauma.

Every day of transition is kinda traumatic.

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>>5619789
You're only going by the ones the trans people you've clocked :3

>>5620653

(Not the person you were originally replying to)

After 1 year on HRT (started early 20s), minor FFS, 5 sessions of laser, and 70 hours of electrolysis, reeeealllly heavy makeup remains my only option if I want to pass 100% as I still have visible facial hair immediately after shaving. Sometimes it isn't just a bad fashion choice; by the time I'm done facial hair removal will have taken 3-4 years.