most guys have imagined themselves as girls, right?

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>my ideal girlfriend is like me, but girl
>t-totally want a girfriend

basically my life

>>5615085

They haven't, senpai.

>>5615120
how do you know

>>5615144
this

>>5615085
I certainly did.

Would you like to talk about that imagining?

>>5615085
Probably, but probably more along the lines of "boobs!"

>>5615162
Idk, I just like the idea of presenting femininely more appealing, by far than appealing masculinely. I always present outwardly feminine when I'm online and stuff, because I feel that it gives me more freedom that way. I just don't feel like I could possibly be one of those gender queer people without hating myself. I wish that I could get over my fierce self loathing, I really wish I had no one to worry about what I think. I think that I would make a really pretty androgynous, gender queer.

>>5615085
No, but they do want there own breast
I think your trans
whelp, have fun with dysphoria

I believe so, anon. Deep down, every male knows that he lost the genetic lottery, and it hurts. The real question is what do they do about it?

>>5615403
This is actually how I discovered my TG side. I used to heavily browse the misc and sluthate, hate that women could find love and attention so easily, bought some panties, started fapping to straight porn, except with me being the girl. It was then that I realized I'd do whatever it takes to become what I fantasize, at any cost.

>>5615426
Have you found love yet, anon?

>>5615472
Naw, still a virgin at 22. I know I'm bi I guess, but I'm not sure if I want to let a male fuck me, or fuck a hot female first. I realized I'm not really attracted to men, I'm just attracted to the thought of myself being fucked, but finding a man would be easy enough. I don't think I'll ever be able to have a real relationship in my life though, but self attraction helps I guess.

>>5615085
No, you're a faggot degenerate. You can be my faggot degenerate though if you're cute

>>5615085
Yes. Freud was wrong, it's not girls who have penis envy but rather guys have vagina/womb/vulva envy.

I really want to try it. Not for sex, even. But to experience life. What daily things do I see as a female that i don't as male? What advantages would I have? What disadvantages would I face? What are the shittiest parts of being female? If you ask questions about being female, half the posts are derision and the other half tell you what they think you want to hear.

>>5615085

That's totally normal for a tranny, OP.

>>5615118
Transition to be your own girlfriend sempai, it's what all the cool beta boys do.

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>>5615736

>Transitioned to be my own girlfriend because too beta to get a gf otherwise
>tfw two weeks later I broke up with me and started getting railed by Chad instead

>>5615678
Lol no. Vaginas are weird. I transitioned to be a cuter boy.

Look at all the girls cosplaying yaoi with each other. Freud was still right.

>>5615678
I agree. It's why they are so violent. It's also why they are obsessed with their poops. It's a proxy for the baby that they will never carry in their womb.

>>5615144
>>5615147

Came out to my brother, he admitted to having gay thoughts, not tranny thoughts. Alternatively, ask masc gays, they truly enjoy being men. Even the gays (not femboys) of this board will tell you that.

My father thinks it's normal for men to want to be women, though. No surprise, I figured I inherited a tranny gene from him. Kek.

All the time, I always wonder what my life would have been like by this point if the universe hadn't granted me life in this gender at this particular point in history.

I want to say I'd be a flirty outgoing 10/10 qt but in reality I'd probably still have social and body issues and lock myself away on the internet for most of the day.

>>5616154
At least you'd be loved, and not left out in the cold, all alone.

>>5615120
bullshit

>>5616275

See >>5616119. Of course, whether they do or don't depends on how far you think they have to go to be considered as having imagined being women. If you think them thinking it would be nice to have tits to grope would count, I would disagree. I only count those who imagine a life around being female as having imagined being women for the question, perhaps also only if it was regular or repeated.

>>5615085
pretty much everyone in existence has imagined themselves as the opposite sex at one point, but most of the time it's not a very deep thought and they are happy being born their gender

>>5615755

Beta bitch boys just can't compete with Chad on ANY playing field.

>>5615085
Maybe like once. If you think about it all the fucking time then maybe something is up.

Can't say that I have.

Yep and dressed as one, but only to get off, i think its not a really good idea desu

>>5615085
Ever since I started browsing this board (especially with the passgens and shit), I kinda wonder how well I'd pass as a woman. It's pretty reassuring since it validates my masculine appearance (even if they're not too masculine).

>>5615085
Nope. But I wish you the best of luck with your quest to live your dream, senpai.

>>5615085
The only reason I have is because I'm only attracted to straight dudes.

I hope so... i pretty much have purely fapped to the idea of me being female my whole life and even crossdressed (weirdly enough NOT just to get off) a few times.


...i know that doesnt sound good but i swear im just gay degenerate that looks at to much porn p-probably.

>>5615085
I would have bet everyone did, but I'm surprised...
I never once in my life imagined myself as boy on the other hand.
Even if I tried to, it looks distant and like a stranger, not anything like me.

Guess I can take some comfort in that that transitioning was right.

>>5615085
Yes, definitely.

>>5615678
Agree.

>>5615085

As a curosy "what if I had tits" way, not a "I ache to be the little girl way".

Also >>5615403 is wrong, at worst I'm uncaring towards it, otherwise I actually enjoy being male.

>>5615085
I believe they have. But not for sexual or erotic reasons. Just for the sake of entertaining a thought experiment. It's fun to imagine yourself as different things, and will often yield interesting and personal results. I believe females imagine themselves as men too. At least once for 5 minutes of their life. It's perfectly natural to do so and doesn't imply that you're on the Trans spectrum or anything but cis.

But I do wonder why you are trying to bring attention to this.

>>5617593
I think some of us imagined themselves as the opposite gender for all their life.
At least I did.

>>5615085
>me imagining what it's like to have a vagina
Well I guess I don't have to worry about getting hit in the balls or people seeing my unimpressive dick imprint when I wear shorts

>me imagining having tits
this just seems annoying

>>5617593
this. I enjoy my penis and my body/facial hair desu, I don't want to be female.

>>5615085
I have, I'm cis and very much intend to be that way.

When I was 15 I briefly had a time where I had so much fun RPing as a girl I kinda wanted to be one but I didnt start seeing out hormones or anything, just spent alot of time thinking about it and reading weird stories where guys turned into girls.

Later in my early 20's I would think "what kind of girl would I be? I'd hope I'd be a real badass bitch like [insert fictional character])

Now I'm well in my 20s and I havent thought about it. I love being a man


um.. thanks for reading my ramblings about basically nothing...

>>5617608

No problem qt, I wouldn't have subscribed to your blog if I didn't want to read it

>>5617607
From early childhood I was certain that every person finds idea of becoming another gender sexually arousing. Except of gays of course.

>>5615085
Yea...
Girls imagine themselves as guys too, we're curious.

>>5617630
I'm bi, I don't understand why the idea even should be arousing in the first place?

Fuck yes. I'd be a girl if I could. But I am entirely unsatisfied with our technology, and am getting nowhere near any of that fake shit.

>>5617657
also my wife would divorce me and my son would think I'm super weird. And I live in a scarlet red state. And it would break my family's heart and ruin my stable life and I wouldn't be able to afford my house that I JUST FUCKING BOUGHT

>>5615085
for a small amount of time yes. but it usually ammounts to 'i would masturbate, then be bored and want to be a dude again.

>>5617654
It is because you're not straight.

>>5617691
I think in this case I'm straighter than you tbqh. But again please explain what is supposed to be arousing about imagining yourself as the opposite gender?

>>5617698
You will never understand. My wish of obtaining female body is caused by my straightness. I am attracted to women so much that just having sex with them isn't enough, I need to become woman myself. So if you're not experiencing the same thing, you're obviously not straight enough. Nothing to talk about.

>>5617717
Are you a creative type, anon? Because I've read that sensitive, artistic, creative type males can be pulled too far into femininity. Like they tap into that energy, and chase the muse and feminine ideal so far that they are just overcome with it and think they have to transition. That's what happened to me, and it was good to see it confirmed somewhere.

>>5617717
That still doesn't explain what's so arousing about imagining yourself as a woman tho.
I also think you're doing quite a lot of mental gymnastics to hide from the fact that you want to be a woman so you can get fucked.

>>5617731
That would only be true if there was only one way to be creative which there isn't and it doesn't really have much to do with femininity. But whatever helps easing your progress to feel good about yourself shouldn't be scrutinized of course.

>>5617733
>doesn't explain what's so arousing about imagining yourself as a woman tho.
Have you seen how they react when they are being fucked or during foreplay? Pure fucking ecstasy. Guys obviously lost on that front.

>>5617746
Lost what exactly? Have you ever seen a man getting a lingam massage and how he looks when that is happening? I think you're compartmentalizing sexuality too much to be absolute honest.

>>5617753
>lost what exactly?
Life. You will never carry a baby. Songwriter? Write songs about girls. Photographer or painter? Take pictures of girls, or things girls like and post on facebook. Sure, making love to a woman is great, but who gets the best deal out of it. No multiple orgasms for you pal.

Face it. All life is, is paying homage to the women who just take it all in, and you will always be a peasant worker bee. Why is god so damn mean?

>>5615085
Every guy wants to be girl, it's just that vast majority either don't know that transition exists or have determined that it's not a viable option

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>>5617792
>Every guy wants to be girl

>>5617804
Are you really disagreeing, or just shitposting?

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>>5617789
>carrying a baby is the only point in life
I am thankful I, as a male, can't be impregnated - fuck babies
>songwriters only write about girls
So all songwriters are straight guys who never found love? Jesus fuck you retard.
>photographers or painters only depict women
I could kinda see your point with the songwriters and modern EDM but this is just pure trash. Photography and art are incredibly diverse fields where anything appealing gets to be drawn/photographed and women fall in there since, who'd guess, they are attractive to straight males, holy fuck.
>multiple orgasms
Okay, but they bleed out of their vaginas every month so it cancels out. Life isn't "paying homage" to anything, it's just that 4ch is so saturates with lonely and horny fucks that is appears like everyone around you is >tfwnogf. True, people are social beings and a significant other does impact our life greatly, but in the end life is just what you make it out to be. You choose your own paths and you chose poorly.

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>>5617792
And look at this faggot, guessing you're just another self absorbed tranny who thinks that the world revolves around him? Ah, I won't make any preliminary judgements, but still - what makes you think that? I'm a male and I adore my dick and, although I'm more chubby than muscular, I still like how I look. Women are appealing to me but I have no desire to be them. If I like something, it doesn't mean that I want to be it. I like a lot of my friends, but I don't want to be them. And yes, I'm familiar with genital mutilation :^)

>>5617885
Why are you triggered so easily if you're really have no problem with being male?

>>5617896
>if you hate them it means you wanna be like them
I just hate trannies a lot since most I've met were self important trash that get orifice obliterated over pronouns and dress up like idiots. I can't handle the lies, I couldn't imagine what I'd do to a person that tells me he's a mtf late into our relationship. My rational side tells me trannies are okay, but don't lie to other people and claim you are "women" not "transgender". Shit, I needed to get this off my chest.

>>5617907

I don't hate trans people but I think this anon has some good points. There are a lot of self absorbed trans, especially mtf

No?

>>5617910
T-thanks, anon. I too don't hate rational transgender people but lies are where I pull the line. Identify as whatever you want but identify correctly. Transgender people aren't real females/males and that's a fact that most of you guys must realize, it's nothing bad, it's just how it is.

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>>5617932
>Identify as whatever you want but identify correctly

>>5617932

Yeah, I've had good and bad experiences. I dated a ftm who was really selfish, he put his problems on other people. Like he didn't want to even attempt to pass most of the time but would get angry if he was misgendered or someone said "she" even by accident. Though in my experience every other ftm I've met has been really cool

I've known a lot of really cool mtfs too but there seems to be a really vocal amount of them that are super delusional and get mad at anything that goes against the fantasy world they've constructed and try to force on other people.

I imagine it's a vocal minority but that doesn't make it less annoying. I mean there's a reason why transbians have their own general.

>>5617951
I may not have worded myself correctly but I felt like you could understand what I meant. I meant that I don't have a problem with people identifying as lesbian, gay, bisexual, transsexual, asexual and the others but if you're going to claim that you are asexual, then you are asexual. You can't claim you are a woman whereas you are biologically not. Nice jiff though, made me chuckle.

>>5617953
Well, I have nothing to add to this because you're practically speaking my mind right now. Glad to see another rational anon on here, more power to you!

Well I wouldn't gave duchenne musuclar dysyrophy, I know that much.

>>5617419
get on blockers now
you can always quite cold turkey later if you decide estrogen isn't for you
trust me, if you end up realising you are trans, you'll regret not getting on them sooner

>>5617657
>>5617670
sounds like classic closet trans mate

>>5617987
I'm that person plus a few months what do?
Still want to be a girl but these pills ain't magic and theres still that nagging voice that maybe it'll just go away or fade into the background

>>5618037
If you can live without and don't kill yourself, power to you.

None of us wanted this. Being trans is about as pleasant as drowning in a massive turd.

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>>5615085
i-i'm sure they have, anon!

>>5618002

well I mean what can you do?

abandon my life for seflish impulses?

>>5618584
>seflish impulses?
How did you survive this far not being selfish?

>>5618611
be selfish in other ways that don't involve ruining everything. My wife take's care of my son. He'll learn to talk soon. I can tell you this, she's attracted to me, and the relationship would suffer a huge hit if I edited that in any way.

Also, I could never afford child support if we broke up over it

>>5615736
B-but anon, i don't like girls. I want to be someone else's girlfriend.

>>5617987
this is a good idea for young people

>>5618629
Here's the big secret, kid. Everyone is selfish. Literally everyone. Selfless acts occur only when something -- usually mental stability -- can be achieved through them. Every single person is using you for convenience, appearance, or feel-good emotions. I don't care how old you are, what responsibilities you have, or what you think is expected of you, the raw truth of humanity is that no one else is going to look out for your happiness and success. Nobody. And you're a juvenile at heart if you haven't come to terms with that.

You need to prioritize yourself, and things will shake out how they need to. That is the way of things. We all endeavour to find the least aggravating state.

Your wife will handle her shit, your son will handle his shit, and you need to handle your shit. You are lying to your wife and you are going to end up making her life much, much worse in the long run when you either collapse into a suicidal shitheap, or explode into a flaming hon late in life and shame her and yourself in the same delusional acts. If you start now, your kid isn't going to give a shit: it will be the way he's always remembered them, and it will be what he's used to and expects. If you do it in twenty years, he's going to flip his shit and never be able to get it. If you treat your medical issues now -- which is what this is, you mental turd -- then your wife has plenty of time to decide if she'll be able to stay with you, and if not, go out and find someone she can remain attracted to and live her youth happily and openly without this weird shadow hanging over everything. If you do it in twenty years, her dating pool will be tiny, and she's going to be devastated by decades of lies and self-destructiveness. It's going to be a huge regret in her life that she may not be able to handle.

This isn't selfless. You are doing the most selfish thing possible. Right now, you are avoiding problems like a child, grasping desperately at fictions to avoid discomfort.

>>5618775
She can already screw him for all his money and their home.

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>>5618775
>juvenille at heart
yeah, nail on the head, but with a job and responsibilities that I somehow consistently provide (I am only responsible outwardly)

>lying to your wife
Sort of. She knows I like to dress up like a girl. Every time we cosplay I pick something unsettling to her and insist on it, maybe she sees it as 'wacky' but you'd think the consistency would drop a hint.

>twenty years
god, I cannot imagine being 46 and still feeling like this. You know, I was able to defeat lolicon in only 8 years. I understand though that gender is a more powerful concept than fetishes.

>start now treat your medical issues
do you know how scary that sounds? I work at a factory. In fucking kentucky. A steel factory.

>you are doing the most selfish thing possible
no surprise there. I have always been a complete attention whore, it's only by suppressing that that I become a likable person to my friends. My 4 friends.

Did I mention that houses are fucking expensive?

Listen man, I'm going to reread everything you say, and take your advice to heart. But some people do have impossible situations.

>>5618804

You guys are gonna make fun of me, but she wouldn't do that. She's a really good person.

>>5618899
Well, good luck with that.

>>5617792
lol no. Every guy, deep down wants to atleast know that's it's like to get fucked, but that doesn't mean they'd all enjoy it. Why do you think there are people who alway top? It's not like their in denial about being gay.

>>5618926
Do you think you maybe overestimate some people's curiosity? I knew an army guy who would only fuck in the missionary position. His only curiosity was other women, for additional missionary sex.

>>5618935
whoosh

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>>5618859
>You know, I was able to defeat lolicon in only 8 years

>>5618629

How did you end up in this position in the first place? You didn't think at any point, "Wow, I don't think I'm doing the right thing. I don't think I want my life going down this path"? Was it not ruining things for your parents? You wanted to not disappoint your parents with a tranny child? Is that how you're going to live your life? "Better not disappoint others, so I'll disappoint myself."

>>5618674

It's a good idea for anyone who is in doubt. Time spent on androgen blockers is time spent aging without testosterone, and the sooner you have no T, the sooner E can do its work.

>>5618775

>Here's the big secret, kid.

How old are you to be calling them kid? Good post, otherwise.

>>5618859

>god, I cannot imagine being 46 and still feeling like this

Neither could I, and having a family on top of that is crazy. Didn't this occur to you when you started getting serious with her? You have to be a masochist to do this to yourself.

>>5617932
>le transgender people aren't real meme
a trans person esp post-op mtf might not be 100% female or male but for all intents and purposes outside of having kids they are so you might as well refer to them as such. unless you're autistic about it

>>5618859
This isn't an impossible situation. Hundreds of thousands before you have handled it. You're calling it impossible because you're scared. It's fine to be scared, but it's cowardice to let it stop you. Step it up.

>>5619141
By impossible he means that whatever situation he will end up in after tearing his life apart transitioning will likely be 100 times worse then doing nothing and just living with it, you call him a coward for not doing it but I would say trying to facing living through his life WITHOUT transition is a far harder and braver thing to do.

>>5619081
>How did you end up in this position in the first place? You didn't think at any point, "Wow, I don't think I'm doing the right thing. I don't think I want my life going down this path"? Was it not ruining things for your parents? You wanted to not disappoint your parents with a tranny child? Is that how you're going to live your life? "Better not disappoint others, so I'll disappoint myself.

Listen, person. I don't know the pronouns or the TG culture or any of that stuff. And I didn't do or think any of this stuff as a kid. I figured it would go away like some of my weirder fetishes did.

>Neither could I, and having a family on top of that is crazy. Didn't this occur to you when you started getting serious with her? You have to be a masochist to do this to yourself.

I guess i was more excited than worried. If you guys actually think I'm trans, then you should know that I've only been feeling like this for 6 years. I've been married for 4. And I read somewhere that sometimes this kind of thing just dissolves into your personality.

>>5619141
>This isn't an impossible situation. Hundreds of thousands before you have handled it. You're calling it impossible because you're scared. It's fine to be scared, but it's cowardice to let it stop you. Step it up

all right. I'll talk to my wife about it.

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How do you even know if you're transgender?

I googled it, clicked the top 6 links, and read.

some quotes
>"Most people have such a mild case of gender dysphoria that they can forge a happy life, even if the jeans don't exactly fit in all areas."

This seems to conflict with anecdotal evidence I've obtained from imageboards and forums. Can you help me confirm this?

>Not all transgendered or transsexual folk start by cross-dressing. Some bypass it completely.

This kind of thing 'starts'? Can it start as an adult?

>"5. Have you had lifelong fantasies of becoming female?"

fucking no. This bullshit started like 5 or 6 years ago.

>7. Do you have any physical characteristics that are far too female to be normal?

ha!

>Another way to ask yourself about your discomfort is how comfortable are you with the gender pronouns that people use for you?

lol

I'm going to the factory, I'll be back in 8 hours.
drop me a link or two, if you have a helpful website handy.

>>5619272
I am such a fucking newfag. This new 4chan formatting, can't even tell if I'm making a thread or a reply.

>>5618942
Why woosh? I (>>5618926) wasn't making a joke, though I guess I didn't consider how experimental some people are.

>>5619294
whoosh because I didn't realize you were actually confronting his view rather than confirming it. I cannot into reading comprehension.

>>5617987
>>5618674
>>5619081
>been on HRT for like 6 months
>feel better
>just feel calm, and okay.
>shouldn't be, because actually one day i'm going to have to decide if i transition or not
>one day

I like the effects it has. I like my face, my hair and skin, my body. It's not perfect, there are things I don't like and things that I want to change, but I don't know... It just isnt a massive issue to me anymore. It also doesn't really matter hugely to me if i'm trans anymore. I'm just doing my thing. The whole impotence/dick shrinking thing really isn't a bad thing to me.

Mainly I'm just worried about getting caught or stopping. I stopped once for two weeks and the way i saw myself in the mirror, my mood, self esteem and general calm-ness and mental state just dropped. It was pretty bad.

It would be nice if I could stop one day and feel okay.

>>5617593
Well, I made the thread because, I really envy trans girls. I think it would be amazing to present as a cute trans female or genderqueer. I just want to be cute, I think masculine me is ugly.

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I have for 9 months. Just realized I just want to act more feminine, not an actual tranny.

>>5619202
I'm proud of you, anon. Womanhood takes pride and bravery, too.

>>5615085

Only the bottoms who crave cock.