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Who /non op/ here?

Reasons for not getting the surgery?
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>>5602934
It's gonna look ugly as shit, and the "clit" is a huge joke.

Other then that, there's not a lot of reason. Maybe so you can pee anywhere? Or be a fetish object, if that's your thing.
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Because my boyfriend gives good head and I like having a penis?
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Everything works fine. No need to jeopardize that.

Sometimes I want it done but there is no coming back if you get a fucked up non feeling frankengina.

But I will probably get orchi.
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>>5602934
because I enjoy dressing up like a slut in public and then jerking off
also blowjobs
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>>5602934
nice fetish

taking that degeneracy just a step further

>LGB - t when?
glogosg
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ITT: false fetishistic cunts.
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>>5602934
If you don't get the snip you don't deserve to be seen as or treated as a girl. I already got it and now my birth certificate says female on it. Plus it passes so well I haven't told my bf yet about my past as a male.
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>>5602980
Seems more fetishistic to get the snip to be quite frank with you.
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>>5602934
Because it's an ever closing wound.
also realized that srs doesn't stop one from being fetishized
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>>5602977
>>5602980
Nice buttmad, hons. You'll always have man features.
>>5602986
I can get my certificate changed without having to mutilate myself. I pass and have a 7" DICK that I love using on my boyfriend, who was my best friend before I came out to him as trans.
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>>5602986
inb4 stabbed to death.
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>>5602988
>>5602997
>Dick
>Female
Uhu...
Sure is me who's the hon.
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>>5602986
rip
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>>5603010
Your "vagina" is just a hollowed out penis stapled to the inside of your crotch. ¡Authentico!
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>>5603010
>inverted penis
>female
See how we could do this all day? Hon ;)

Just accept the fact we aren't women but we also aren't men. If you wanna get the snip fine but don't go calling people who don't 'not trutrans' or whatever bullshit you self righteous trans like to spew.
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>>5602934
Money.

Not only can I not afford the surgery itself, I can't afford to see a psychiatrist who would approve me to get the surgery.

This is also why I do informed consent.
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>>5602997
man
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>>5603016
Least it isn't a dick, and it works quite well.
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>>5603025
Hon.
>>5603028
But do you pass? I do. There's a life outside the bedroom, you know.
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>>5602934
>Getting SRS before VFS or FFS
>not fetishistic

glad to see you guys got your priorities straight
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>>5603035
>This meme that you can't pass when you get SRS.
Of course I do.
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>>5602986
I'm seriously worried about you, jokes aside. There's plenty of men who get violent if they learn they were hit on by a trans woman, I can imagine it would be quite worse if they were sleeping with one unknowingly.

I advise you tread lightly.
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>>5603040
But we're not? I mean, isn't that the point of being non-op?
>>5603046
Do you walk around with your genitals hanging out for all to see? I know I don't. Only my parents, boyfriend and my doctors know my secret.
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An inflatable dick made of arm flesh doesn't appeal to me.
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>>5603040
It's possible for a face or voice to pass without surgery. A penis will never pass for female without getting turned inside out.
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>>5603055
I meant the hons that say trutrans is only if you get SRS asap.
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>>5603059
I feel bad for FtM. At least FtM have a viable option.

I really wish we could just do a brain transplant, basically swap our bodies.
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>>5603067
Do you think people walk around with their genitals out for all to see? Do you shake people's genitals instead of their hands to greet you?
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>>5603055
Well, enjoy the tucking.
Why would I stop after fixing just my dressed appearance? Why would I get SRS if I don't pass?
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>>5603072
Hurr I meant MtF have a viable option.
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>>5603067
What I don't understand is why VFS is such an underrated surgery. I mean, don't you guys ever get into situtations where your voice slips up or just reached its limit in copying feminine speech? Like don't you go to concerts or clubs or any loud place ever. Where you gotta yell? Or do you not have social lives. Because for me voice surgery is #1 on my priority list, and I don't get how it could be anything else.
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>>5603073
No, but the point is to be able to look at yourself and see a woman and therefore reduce dysphoria. Passing to yourself is just as important as passing to the world.
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>>5603083
VFS is pretty hard to get without putting your vocal chords at great risk. Pretty much your only option is to get it done in Korea and that's quite a mouthful.

If you can get it however, power to you, but most trannies on this board are piss poor.
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I lol over this mentality of having SRS will solve all your problems like wtf no it wont. I'm mtf and over half of the trannies I know in real life mope around waiting for the glorious day of getting their frankenstein vagina instead of doing things that would improve their life in the now like fixing their mountain of facial hair or just basic hygiene
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>>5603083
When you do enough voice training, your voice starts to just naturally rest at a more feminine register without any effort. Including when you yell.

This is more true if you have an androgynous voice to start with, to be fair.
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>>5603094
Well I live in Europe. So me being piss poor actually doesn't matter. Fortunate I guess.
And supposedly there's a method where the risk of losing your voice is nonexistent, and I'm gonna get that. I trust.
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>>5603070
It is quite silly indeed. Just because I like having a penis doesn't mean I want to look like a man, act like a man, age like a man or be a man.
>>5603087
I already see a woman in the mirror. I never saw a man though. I used to see a frail sissy femboy but now I see a woman.
>>5603102
Right?! They focus more on being trans than being women.
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>>5603105
But you gotta admit, there's quite the difference between a VFS voice and a queer as squeaky tranny-blogger voice. You know which one.
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>>5603114
I've never heard of health insurance covering VFS. And yeah thats what I said, only surgeons in Korea seem to know a safe(ish) method.
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>>5603123
Well I'm gonna get it done in Germany this year. And that's where I heard of said safe method.

Apart from that I trust Jesus to protect me anyways. I'd take the risk any day. Rather not talk then talk with my man voice.
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>>5603130
And what surgeon? Ive never heard of anyone here doing any good surgery besides Dr. Schaff with his combined SRS method.
Germany's performance in the field is pathetic.
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>>5603119
That's good for you. Not even being sarcastic, it is. The problem is that for some people the penis is too dysphoria-inducing. If their voice and face enough already, it only makes sense that they'd want SRS.
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>>5603155
I don't know a name, but it's the Katharinenhospital Stuttgart. I have yet to meet the surgeon, but I don't think fame or name matters much anyways. The surgery is really simple. It's more about the technology and research than "star status". Suporn meme like.

Funnily enough with all I said about priorities and getting VFS before SRS (if at all). I already met Dr. Schaff. I went through the whole country per bus to see him.
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>>5602934
I'm not getting the op cause neo vaginas fucking scare me, they look so weird. I hate having a dick and I'd take a real vagina in a second, but just seeing a neo one makes me want to retch and throw up.
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Because killing myself is cheaper.
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>>5603163
That is quite okay, and I am glad my money goes to help those who need it. The problem is that there seems to be this idea that it is absolutely necessary to get it to be a woman, and often it is correct but only because of govt silliness to get the birth certificate corrected or some other documents. SRS ought to be seen as just an optional feminization surgery, and not the end-all-be-all. And to the trutrans scum, I am one less person on the SRS waiting list.
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Posting in a shit thread, I suppose.

I'm really not certain how I'll go with this yet. I certainly want female genitalia, but I'm pretty indifferent toward my penis, with my major objection being aesthetic. I'm not sure the results of srs, even good srs, will be worth the -3 months that I'll need to be largely inactive, and the dilation, and the gross complications no local doctor knows how to deal with. But it would be pretty great for everything to be better in my crotch.

I'm waiting until I've been full time for about a year before deciding one way or another. If it doesn't feel right, I'll just spring for an orchi and well learn what the future holds.

Am I the only one who feels this tentative?
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>>5603174
http://www.klinikum-stuttgart.de/kliniken-institute-zentren/klinik-fuer-hals-nasen-ohrenkrankheiten-plastische-operationen-hno-stuttgart/erwachsenen-hno/stimmstoerungen/

>Auch bei dem Wunsch der Stimmerhöhung bei Transsexualität besteht die Möglichkeit der Stimmanhebung mittels verschiedenen Techniken. Wir bieten neben der Stimmbandstraffung von außen auch die endoskopische Stimmlippenkürzung an.

That's not really awfully much info. Stimmbandstraffung ist glaube ich eine recht primitive und verpöhnte Methode. Naja, viel Glück.

>>5603181
Don't go to pic related then?
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>>5602934
i feel like a lot of my value as a transwoman disappears if i get it, and i want to be seen as valuable.
it's covered by my insurance and i could get a really good surgery, and in all honestly it would probably pass. i'm just insecure right now.
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because i am unpassable so it really doesn't matter

i don't want to be a manly man with a vagina
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>>5603079
Ahahahaha oh my god that comment
I'm dying.
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>>5603325
I can't imagine there's really that many closet gays outside the internet that would value a tranny higher for having a dick.
Sure there are some, but outside the dickloving echochamber that is 4chan, I think a lot will be very turned off by that fact too. And many gays around here will shitpost endlessly about a dick getting chopped off. You just gotta remember this board reflect reality poorly.
Heck, most don't even know how a neovag is made.
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>>5603367
i'm the sort of person who will get the surgery anyway because it's the rational thing to do, despite not wanting to get it. i'm going to get it, i know that, because it would be foolish not to. i'm just compelled to not get it for this reason.

it was the same thing with transitioning.
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>>5603380
If you don't need it, why do you have to get it?
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>>5603388
i think mostly because it's crucial to acceptance, by society and myself. i'm not terribly dysphoric about it except when i get erections, so i could keep it. i'm not intimidated by any of the "mutilated axe wound" rhetoric that every tranny here has to read, either.

another component is paranoia. i never want anyone to clock me. after i'm done, i'm going to move, change my name, and isolate my circles of friends. i might cut contact, honestly, but i think that's too far. SRS might not fix this (it's definitely up a therapist's alley), but...you know, what if i want to go to the beach? or wear tight clothing? i don't want to have to think about it.
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>>5603388
Not that anon, but you transition to be a woman, not a freak stuck in transition.
My opinion anyway, do whatever you want, but then don't be condescending to tumblr types, because that's you. 3rd-gender-ladyboy.
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>>5603410
>except when I get erections
That sounds an awful lot like dysphoria to me. Easy to ignore your dick when it isn't activated isn't it? Do you really want a useless soft stubby your whole life, or would you rather have a vagina?
>>5603421
I already am a woman. What's in my panties are for me and my boyfriend.
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>>5603454
okay but it's not like i'm getting a lot of erections when i'm on mones
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>>5603421
>>5603410

I feel this is wrong way to go about it, you should get SRS because you have super bad dysphoria about your genitals not "well uh society told me to" and "what if I wanna wear leggings?"

That sounds fucking ridiculous, if you truly were worried about what others thought, you'd stay as you are and not transition in the first place.
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>>5603465
Do you really want to spend the rest of your life until you die with a useless penis that freaks you out when you get hard?
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>>5603481
i think i already said i was going to get it done anyway. i'd probably like to get it done soon before it shrinks a lot.

>>5603470
dysphoria is honestly such a buzzword now. i don't like anything that reminds me that i'm male. when it does, i feel bad. i don't, usually, want to turn around and cut my dick off, and if i do it's because of the former reason and not some nebulous neurological mapping disorder.
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>>5603470
>you should get SRS because you have super bad dysphoria about your genitals
Never said I don't, but that concept seems to be farfetched and alien to most people around here, considering most just claim to be dysphoric without even knowing how it's like.

And that's exactly the thing, they transition to get treated the way they want to, but don't feel anything's off with their bodies besides muh passing. Muh not perfectly shaped qt.
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>>5602934
I've been in transition for probably longer than the majority of people on this board. I've weighed my options carefully and every time I ask myself the question, the answer is always no.

I don't have genital dysphoria severe enough to give me a solid reason to go through with surgery. The other reasons are largely superficial. Yeah, having a neovagina would make going stealth easier. I could wear whatever I want without worrying about tucking. I could have all my vital documents changed.

But they're (mostly) shallow reasons when it comes down to a question of pleasing others vs maintaining bodily integrity and being happy with myself.

I feel like a neovag would be settling for a shitty compromise. It opens a few doors, but it would make me more dysphoric having to wake up and look at it knowing that it a) will never look right b) will never make me 'real'.

So I might as well continue living with a dick since its not _that_ bad.
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>>5603557
>that it a) will never look right b) will never make me 'real'.
But a dick does?
Maybe a dick is "real" but it invalidates other characteristics about you.
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>>5603586
Its literally just an inside out dick. Regardless of what I do I will have a dick. Outwardly not everyone may be able to tell. But I'm the one who has to live with it.
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>>5603609
Well, I'll never understand that lack of dysphoria.
I'd gladly have traded for even a mere peehole.
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>>5602934
>Who /non op/ here?
Me
>Reasons for not getting the surgery?
Surgery absolutely terrifies me, best case results aren't that great, absolutely terrified of complications, I cannot afford it, I have nobody to take care of me post-op, scars on me look horrible and very noticeable, scared of having a frankenpussy that doesn't function like a real one, etc.

Fortunately my winkie is so small and useless that it's pretty easy to conceal. Thinking about SRS gets me feeling down.
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>>5603367
The moral of this picture is while neo vaginas are a whole upper tier of nasty, that all vaginas are pretty disgusting.
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>>5602934
>tfw dick is small enough to not show a visible bulge when I wear tight pants or shorts
>but big enough to receive blowjobs
Why the fuck would I want to get the surgery?
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>>5602934
Dilation's sound awful. Your gonads are a chakra.

>>5602948
How disgusting.
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>>5602934
I'm not satisified with the state of medical technology. Maybe in like 5-10 years I'll reevaluate it.
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>>5602986
you are LITERALLY going to get shanked
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>>5603102
Its cause they fetishize being a woman they want a vagina so bad so they can be "complete" and obtain their ultimate fantasy. Instead of just being themselves. They say "oh this horrible dysphoria of having a penish" after living decades as male and fucking girls its such a joke
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>>5606442
Underrated.

>>5602997
Personally, you sound awesome, and wish I had a GF like you.
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>>5602934
religion, dont want it to be botched, dont wanna be the 0.1% who dont come back from the morphine, want to make kids
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>>5602934
I'm not dysphoric enough to want to have a fake vagina. Now if we're talking orchiectomy, I'd do that in a heart beat. They're what get in the way the most and produce testosterone. I couldn't care less about my penis
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>>5605987
>How disgusting
It ain't for everyone, but it feels amazing for me and him.
>>5607887
>Personally, you sound awesome, and wish I had a GF like you.
Be on the lookout for scrawny effeminate nerds who try way too hard to be manly.
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Money
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because i'm not a retard who needs to prove herself by getting something that isn't even the real thing
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