passers get out reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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>tfw when all hormones have done so far is make me look younger and a bit more fem
>tfw young women now hit on me regularly
>only interested in guys tho
Could be worse but I will probably need ffs.
>at the bus station FINALLY leaving my bigoted hometown and heading to LA
>bus breaks down before pickup
>rescheduled for tomorrow
Welp. Time to burn it all.
>tfw in "straight" relationship where we're both gender fluid with our dominant gender being the opposite to our biological.
>tfw our families have no idea.
>tfw we both used to be able to just pass
>tfw we're nearly 30 now so we don't pass any more.
but not even remotely
i really wanted someone to notice that i'm on HRT, one way or another, i really wanted someone to look at me and say wow you look different, i don't even want to be qt, i just want to be different and feminine, yet nobody notices anything, even when i say something jokingly like "damn don't you think i look different/younger" they say nah bruh you look pretty normal, just as you always were
Literally kill me now. 18 and still in the closet. Sorry for background, home for the holidays and I don't trust you cunts.
Do I even have any hope?
Post side view..
You look exactly like my friend who was passing in boymode, so much that her deep voice and remnant mustache stubble still had people gendering her female
... she still hides her boobs and thinks she doesn't pass :(
I'm curious of your brow... so, side view?
Oh look, attention whore is attention whoring on an attention whoring bird because her irl friends/family got tired of rubbing her ass with praise icing and now hate talking to her because she only talks about trans stuff and how she looks after ffs.
Check em bitch
All women are whores, nothing to see here.
Why does everyone always look like a nerd. I am starting to be convinced that being trans is caused by low test. Rarely do I see alpha chad jocks on here asking if they will pass. Anyway I think you will do fine because you have a weak jaw and round eyes.
'ω' how can you be a girl with high test?
(Sounds like those radio commercials I hear about LOW T. Born with testickes and feeling girly? Get on the RIGHT hormone treatment!)
Sexist pieces of shit
But this is no pass gen and I'm omw to passing by my year mark :(
I already posted in pass gen. Check there
Here's a washed out teaser but this'll be the last pic I post for another 2 months on here... just for you anon ;D
I've hit kind of an abnormal snag.
>clocked mtf when trying to pass female
>clocked ftm when trying to pass male
>get told I look like a girl with facial hair
>get told I look like a man
I don't pass as ANYTHING.
>You look exactly like my friend who was passing in boymode, so much that her deep voice and remnant mustache stubble still had people gendering her female
Really? Maybe dreams do come true...here's side view without the glasses. My fingers are crossed!
Thanks...I guess? I mean, look at Jenner or all those navy seals/ex-mil types who transition later in life. They seem high-test enough for you?
Probably, yeah. Tittie skittles (HRT) increases the amount of breast tissue you have, and since that's what produces milk, just about any transgirl who's been on hormones long enough should be able to produce milk
Most breast tissue isn't involved in lactation, and breast size doesn't indicate a greater ability to produce milk. It's a different hormone (prolactin) that causes lactation than what MTFs generally take. Female hormones might make induced lactation easier, I'm not sure, but you don't need to be on HRT in order to induce lactation.
That said, at least when your breasts are growing you're likely to be able to secrete a clear liquid, but it's not milk so it isn't lactation. (It tastes nice though.)
Yeah, that's basically what I'm doing, although I'm still delusional enough to believe that I might get to the point where I look respectable enough in girlmode, even if I woudln't pass.
Reeeeeally? Thank you so much! I can't describe how good it feels to hear that.
>Letting social constructs like gender and attractiveness run your life is a very illogical thing.
I thought this thread was going to be a safe space and then I saw all of these passers. Is there somewhere where people that don't pass but aren't
>you look great, hon
can post without tripfriends, etc
I wish 4chan allowed us to vote ban trips. they could obviously continue to post under anonymous though
even if everything's a social construct it doesn't mean it doesn't matter or affect a person anyway
Every time I see this thread in the catalog I die a little more inside
I pass to black people and they hit on me like 3 times a week at least but i dont pass to white people. They give me weird looks all the damn time. Also had a fat mexican manlet basically tell me he clocked me. My mannerisms and energy are totally female as well while my voice is meh but at least better than gay guy tier.
The standard of appearance and voice you have to meet to pass is absurd. It is way way hard. Ive given up hope of ever not getting weird mildly disgusted stares until i get a lot of money
Thankfully its not usually glares cause I live in a cool area, it's mostly just people getting the uncanny valley because they aren't used to seeing people like me.
But yeah I think a lot of people conflate me being attractive with me passing. Im grateful for looking good presenting femme but dysphoria is still a bitch.
Hey everyone, it's been awhile since I've been here, and i'm like 99% sure it's a different trip and like no one knew me anyways so hello I am kat and I'm coming out in like 4 days but I don't pass so this will be fun
Holy shit trannies are pretty much the worst people. None of you work and come up with all sorts of excuses. All of you are massive attention whores. I can't fucking stand mtfs anymore. I can't stand my life anymore. Are any of you actually dysphoric? Everyone seems to have no problem jerkimv off on cam. Am i the only trans, or is trans just a code word for pay_attention_to_me_pls disorder. Get a job you lazy fucks. Care about those around you. Mostly fucking die because you're one of the worst demographics I've had the displeasure of knowing. Niggers are better people than you.
Awwwww cry for me i don't pass. I've never left the fucking house and made an effort but please feel sorry for me. I jerk off on /d/ all day but I'm totally dysphoric you guys. I top random fuckers on Craigslist and backspace but my dysphoria is crippling. Please buy me a courier skin because my life that i put 0 effort into is wretched.
Most of you fucks come from 100k+ a year households and are just spoiled brats looking for more entitlement because that's what you think being a girl means.
Hey, I remember you. I'm sorry about you transitioning late and all, but you've shaped up better than I thought.
Get out of 4chan, this place isn't healthy for you.
If they don't know that you're transitioning then they are going to be polite or oblivious. If they know and are supportive they are going to comment on your progress. In other words it's your own damn fault.
Presentation helps a lot, do grow your hair longer.
>still in the closet.
No sympathy from me
>guhh how will I ever pass when 5'11''
I'm almost 23 and 6'3'' and all I can say is ayy lmao
Nigga, I make that much a year turning wrenches and being a sparkly pixie bad ass amongst mongoloid boys.
Speak for yourself.
Blood sweat alcoholism tears
Now that's a successful tran.
>tfw this is the body I will have to put up with for decades to come and the only body I will have my whole lif
>tfw will never look like this
Thoughts? Not sure if I pass or not...I feel like I'm borderline yes/no.
No, you do not pass. That angle is one I use all the time to boost my self esteem when I want to momentarily look like I could potentially one day possibly pass in a darkly lit room. Show us a picture looking slightly left or right no smile no wide eyed curious glances. But thats what this thread is for, non-passing freaks like myself and you, you fucking kike.
Impromptu picture, no angles (though I shot it from the side which I saw somebody say you should do)
Now, obviously I don't pass. I'm full boymode and am in the closet. I personally think my problems are really shitty eyes (hell im pretty sure one is lazy), formless hair, and acne. As far as acne goes, this is actually a really large improvement from only a few months ago, I also got some new cream so I imagine it'll be better than just trying to be super clean.
Oh and my hair was way cuter last night, it's like 50/50 on whether or not it'll be trash
but you're not though, women being a little bit butch is seen as 'androgynous' and 'hot' these days
you're only ugly by, like, pre-1980s standards
if you were hard butch maybe I'd understand but no
look, I hate her personality, even if it's 'just her online persona', as much as the next person, but I can't reasonably say that she doesn't look good now, heck, she was only average to begin with, nothing shocking
>no Lynn Conway
she's a moderately internet-famous trans camgirl who trips on /lgbt/ often and used to be a /b/ regular years and years ago
she fucked the comedian sam hyde, has a reputation for being kind of fetishistic and incredibly shallow and throwing men away like garbage almost weekly
don't have to be cis to get a gf
for me personally it is a waste of money
because I like my face
for others ffs can indeed be the most important and helpful thing ever
just not for me
>bro took the picture at our family nye
Good I hate my sad face. Corners of my lips are going down when I'm not smiling and when I'm smiling a look completely ridiculous.
cute boy, nothing girly about you
clearly a dude
I would believe this is a girl
Are you trying to pass as boy? There is nothing indicating this might be girl. YOu have facial hair for fucks sake.
perfectly fine boy
another normal boy
look bit like faggot, but definitely a dude
look like something between a girl and boy. I would probably have to a closer look, but the facial features are manly.
Perfectly normal cute boy. Nothing girly about him.>>5463783 is delusional, only one person here passes as girl, and that is only face, i bet his hips and feet would give him away.
I was called miss though last night though
I feel so fucking bad for the huge number of people posting on legbutts who clearly fucking despise themselves for being trans. Personally though I mostly come here to use that as a mirror into myself to help me work through my own shit. Sad cases can keep hating themselves and each other if they like but it's only making me stronger and happier in the long term.
eh you'd pass as a 7/10 in britain
no supermodel but entirely within female range for jaw, brow etc.
profile pic? maybe you're right from the side, but from the front you pass as an average-looking female
>as a 7/10 in britain
huh I keep hearing that and I really should just move to the west.
yeah your profile is definitely a lot rougher and could do with your nose and chin being rounded down but honestly, that would serve mainly to make you more attractive rather than more passing; probably only a 5 or 6/10 female with this profile mind to be totally honest but you don't look unattractive in a "that woman looks like a man" way, just a "eh" way and could totally pass as an anglo-saxon-genes UK woman in her late 30s, what's your actual age?
yeah you look a little older than you are but it's a look that works
I agree you could probably do with a nosejob though but everything else looks seriously fine, rhinoplasty is comparatively cheap anyway, at least in Europe, at least you don't need full FFS
Reminder that life is pointless and we're all going to die anyway so if you think you'll never pass now it's easier to just kill yourself immediately than to spend years suffering for very little gain
but when it barely does anything except make you a total outcast and you look like a freak with barely any decrease in dysphoria is it even worth bothering? it hasn't been worth it for me, I just feel like I've put off the inevitable for a little while longer and it's made the process of existence even more painful and drawn-out than necessary
The only time I was remotely gendered female was when I was wearing a hat and big eyed sunglasses and some guy saw my tits when walking in the bathroom. He double checked the signs before re-entering. I blushed and laughed as I walked out.
I have c cups, yet: wearing a push up with crazy amounts of cleavage, pretty clothes, and we'll done minimal makeup (just lip gloss, eyeliner, and mascara... Which looks better than going all out on me imo) STILL gets me gend3red make every fucking time. I have black guys check me out and start to make monkey whooping noises, usually followed by (wuh dah fuggh nigga) as they get good enough in passing to see my features.
If dressing like a girl relives dysphoria then it's comforting, no? Also I don't know how you can have this "fuck it" philosophy and still care what people think about you. Most people should work on getting over this whether they're trans or not, you let other people's silly opinions decide if you want to live the life you want to live.
it's not just "silly opinions" though, it's the difference between being scared of being intimidated, beaten up or shanked or something in public or being safe, or between employment and unemployment, or homelessness and unaccepted by friends and family or the opposite, that's kind of a major part of the issue of being trans aside from the internal depression etc., if you pass (and are attractive) it makes life far easier
also dressing like a girl only relieves dysphoria if it doesn't make you look like even more of a freak
the philosophy I have is less "fuck it" and more "oh god, make the pain stop as quickly as possible" like those infamous plants that cause such intense pain if you touch them that some people kill themselves within 30 seconds of being stung
The sad truth is, most ppl don't give a shit about you and have enough of their own problems to deal with than worry about you. If you really want to realize your total insignificance in other ppls lives, then get dressed up and see how little effect you have on others. If you're an ugly fat trans woman that dresses like a bag lady, then it's even easier to not get noticed.
as somebody who has been chased by a gang of 7 ~15 year olds down the street shouting "freak", "tranny", "that's a man" etc. when I was just trying to carry my shopping home, I disagree, plenty of people will aggressively and sometimes violently assert how much they hate how you look and how subhuman you appear to them if you don't look normal enough
I guess it depends on where you live, if you live in a place where that is a very real possibility then I can understand not wanting to transition, but I feel like moving to a liberal city is a lot better than killing yourself. Hell most liberal cities will put you in a position to live a better life than if you were "cis". Every left wing retard is willing to hire a tranny even if they are completely inept. But yeah I'm sorry for assuming your position in life, I forgot parts of this world can be extremely bigoted.
>dressing like a girl only relieves dysphoria if it doesn't make you look like even more of a freak
I don't know what to say desu senpai. I'm not a therapist and I don't know how you would go about dealing with your blatant depression.
>the philosophy I have is less "fuck it" and more "oh god, make the pain stop as quickly as possible"
Yeah you were just putting off more of a nihlist vibe with the "life is pointless and we're all going to die anyway".
>just move to a completely different city on the other side of the country with precious little life experience to date
do you have any idea of the money and other resources that requires, even if I did know where to move to that would fit the definition?
>I don't know what to say desu senpai. I'm not a therapist and I don't know how you would go about dealing with your blatant depression.
what's incorrect about my point? sure, I'm depressed, but it's pretty clear why and it's staring at me out of the mirror
>Yeah you were just putting off more of a nihlist vibe with the "life is pointless and we're all going to die anyway".
That was more of a pre-emptive retort to the "b-but suicide is bad and wrong, just live in agonising misery til you're ~80!"-posters
We don't know how many of them there were. Once you reach enough kids you're eventually going to get taken down by a lucky shot as they swarm you, or just plain run out of stamina.
they were carrying rocks, big ones, they were chavs too so they could easily have been armed for all I knew, it sounds funny until you're in that situation and don't know how far they're gonna go with it
I probably will this year, but you have a pleasant amount of empathy so well done on that
Anons tell me I'm a ugly hon and that I'll never pass. Can I post in here?
>people used to mistake me for a girl from time to time growing up
>I eventually grew up to be 6'3''
Well, I probably wouldn't have got enough courage to transition anyway.