I'm just getting into bladed weapons, particularly medieval

>>35073188
no because you posted fake and gay shit
post something real

post s

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>>35073379
>swords
>not real

>>35073403

Fake and gay. Post a real sword pls not this gay skallgrim fake and gay shit pimping fake and gay kult of arsethena crap and similar

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>>35073188
joyeuse, the sword allegedly belonged to charlemagne

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>>35073188
I can't recall where this one was from, but I got it from the twitter page called Meausam Archive

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1740 Patt. English / Scottish Dragoon Cavalry Backsword

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Clipped Point French An XIII Cuirassier Sword, earlier An IX blade

>>35073527
is it hard to go through life with such crippling autism?

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1760 Pattern English Three Quarter Basket Hilt Cavalry Backsword

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WW1 / George 5th Royal Scots Officer's Cross-Hilted Broadsword (not made in china)

>>35074203
cunt of arsethena howls in pain ----stuff not fake and gay troubles it.

>>35073379
>>35073527
>>35074292
You have to be 18 to post here.

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>>35073188
>and I want to know more about edged weapons

Some books to get you started.

Edge & Paddock, Arms and Armor of the Medieval Knight
Fiorato, Boylston & Knüsel, Blood Red Roses
Hand, English Swordsmanship: George Silver Vol. 1
Jaiwant, Arms and Armour
Kapp, Kapp & Yoshihara, The Craft of the Japanese Sword
LaRocca, Rediscovering the Arms and Armor of Tibet
Lendon, Soldiers & Ghosts
Manouchehr, Arms and Armor from Iran
Molloy, The Cutting Edge
Nagayama, The Connoisseurs Book of Japanese Swords
Nickel, Arms and Armor
Oakeshott, European Wepaons and Armour
Oakeshott, Records of the Medieval Sword
Oakeshott, The Archaeology of Weapons
Oakeshott, The Sword in the Age of Chivalry
Ogawa (ed.), Art of the Samurai
Ôtake, Katori Shinto-ryu
Peirce, Swords of the Vikign Age
Pyhrr, LaRocca & Ogawa, Arms and Armor; Notable Acquisitions 1991-2002
Sachse, Damascus Steel
Sato, The Japanese Sword
Sinclair, Samurai
Skoss (ed.), Keiko Shokon
Skoss (ed.), Koryu Bujutsu
Skoss (ed.), Sword and Spirit
Waldman, Hafted Weapons in Medieval and Rennaisance Europe
Williams, The Sword and the Crucible

>>35074144
Rapier of archduke Siegmund Franz von Tirol, made in southern Germany, ca 1650-60. Nowadays in the collections of the Hofjagd- und Rüstkammer in Vienna.

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>>35075036
That sword looks so gay dude. Imagine how emasculated you would feel to use it in anger "yes, parry me sir. Right on my faggot steel!". It would be like open carrying a golden deagle with my little pony grips.

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>>35073188

If you are looking to get a modern reproduction, stay away from Cold Steel - their shit is way heavier than it should be, and poorly balanced.

Also - a very common problem with modern "viking" reproductions is that they have 12 cm grips - that is a good 30% longer than they should be. The reason is that when you swing an early medieval sword like that, and you're not trained to do it properly, the pommel digs into your wrist. One (incorrect) way to solve this problem, is to use a longer grip.

I suggest you watch Roland Warzecha on YT - particularly if you want to know about the viking period (between the raid on Lindisfarne in 793 AD, and the Norman conquest of Britain in 1066 AD).

Picture somewhat related - a couple of my blades. Both from CSS Silesia in Poland. The saber is a reproduction of a historical piece from the Polish Military Museum in Warsaw (both CSS Silesia, and that particular blade are featured in Richard Marsden's book on the Polish Saber).

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also posting a couple of webms

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>>35073379
>>35073527
>>35074292
What is it trying to say?

>>35075402
I think it is trying to come out of the closet, but it's too dumb to find the doorknob.

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>>35073188
>amerifat, wife got postpartum depression
>had to commit her to an institution for a week
>lifetime ban on firearms possession for her, no gunz in the house
>still, I have her and two daughters to protect :(

I share your interest OP, but maybe for more practical reasons. Pick related, for an entry level weapon that wont break the bank, and you absolutely wont regret: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwwfc8Umv54

Cobra Steel kindjal...basically a tactical gladius. I've got it paired with a 12" buckler, which is an ultra portable offensive shield, to deal with an intruder's melee weapon or to simply bash the fuck out of them. Anyone breaks into my house, and they'll be up against a sword and shield bearing maniac, in the dark.

A gladius style weapon requires minimal skill: just get close and stabby stab. But I've also got an arming sword waster (translation: wooden single handed practice sword) on order, and a punching bag to practice on. Plan on eventually investing in a good $800+ arming sword and buckler combo, once I know how to effectively use it in the tight confines of my dark house.

Also, there's HEMA to get into. God this shit is so much fun.

>inb4 "what if they have a gun?"
>I literally don't care, before I hit the ground they will be cut to ribbons

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>>35075808
Hell yeah brother!

>>35073188
Is the CS Hand-and-a-half sword any good?

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No peasant swords

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>>35073188

The only good swords are the ones with a short blade and really long handles.

Anything else is for LARPing purposes only.

>>35076014
>muh spear

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>>35075402

he's trying to tell OP it would be better to post images of authentic historical artifacts, or well-researched high-quality recreations and not mediocre, poorly researched, mass-produced works.

His autistic apopolexy must have just shut down the language centers of his brain.

>>35076014
this is like saying the only good pistols are rifles

>>35075808
>Lifetime ban for the mere intention of suicide
Bloody hell burgers, say about germany what you will but nobody asked me about that shit.

>>35075948
no. It only vaguely resembles a historical longsword, and is much closer, in fact, to a larping piece made by someone who's only ever seen swords in television, or in fantasy artwork.

Albion has good designs. If that's too pricy for you, Wulflund (Check Rep.) makes some decent steel, as does CSS Silesia (already mentioned ITT - most Polish teams use it).

Unless you want to blow $400+, those are your best bets.

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>>35073527
>>35074292
I've noticed you bitching about KoA in the last few sword threads and I can't help but think that there's no reason behind it other than that KoA is a site that a lot of people like so hipster shitposters have to hate it.

Did you buy some cheap bullshit and then blame the vendor instead of the maker or yourself?

>>35076848
he's probably just trying to be edgy. And shouldn't he be in school anyway? It's September.

>>35076848

Buys worthless gay and fake shite instead of genuine issued historical swords which can often be had for less than fake and gay shit at auction. Pumps cunt of arsethena and their fake gay Chinese crap.

>>35073379
How about you post in proper English first.

>>35074677
>You have to be 18 to post here.

Cunt of arsethena. Yes children by the fake and gay Chinese crap. Don't by actual historical weapons for the same price because like flies you are drawn to shit.

>>35078057
How about you get a fucking job instead of dribbling on you tube and pimping mass produced Chinese fakery you thick cringy kraut

>>35078072
I'm literally phoneposting from work right now :^)

>>35078072
literally no one mentioned kult of Athena until you started babbling about it you sperg

>>35078085
I'll have large fries and a happy meal cunt of arsethena muh medieval Chinese hunk of shit toy. Actually no thanks. Just the fries.

>>35076259
Wulfland doesn't specify their steel type. I don't want to become a masterful professional swordsmaster, just a dude with a sturdy carbon-blade. And what's the other one?

>>35078106
lmao at this kid havin himself a lil meltdown

Where can I get a 24" modern carry saber?

>>35078145
You could you know go to an auction house and but an actual issued 19th century sword for less. But Noooooooooo you want to be 'battleready; like the spaz you are and fill the earth with repro shit

>>35078180
I just want a sturdy sword bastard sword in case of burglars/zombies/looters

So where do you get swords made with modern techniques? I want an estoc.

>>35078190
>I just want a sturdy sword bastard sword in case of burglars/zombies/looters

Sweet Jesus. Just go but a crowbar. You're fantasy sword and fantasy zombie/looter/raider scenario are cancer

>>35078218
I didn't ask for the opinion of a tips fedora katana-master

>>35078156
define "modern carry saber"

What service? Or just a modern repro of some type of saber? Would >>35075293 qualify?

>>35078180

not him, but calm thine tits, kid. You don't see hema guys use "authentic 16th century feders" for practice, do you?

Modern Swords, aka reproductions, are made with good quality steel - often better quality than the originals.

Where do you suppose I could get an authentic 10th c. type L sword that was in usable condition?

>>35078286
Something lightweight, without too much curve to it. That looks a little long, unless I'm still overshooting what I'd like by saying 24". Ideally I'd like something that doesn't complicate getting into and out of a vehicle too much.
I should probably add that I am a Texan and I intend to EDC it.

>>35078145
CSS Silesia - check historicalmarket.com. Shipping from Poland might be costly though.

They also don't specify their steel type, other than they get fresh billets from the factory, and since most polish teams use them (whatever you might think about BOTN), that's a good indication of how their heat treat holds up.

One note though - when you order from them, you can make alterations - like asking for a longer/shorter grip (their standard "viking" swords have the usual 12.5 cm reenactor grips, but you can ask for a proper 8.5 cm grip at no extra cost).

>>35078373
thx for the info

>>35078046
So you did in fact buy some cheap bullshit and are blaming the vendor instead of the maker or yourself.

>>35078353
I really don't see how you could get into and out of a vehicle (unless it's a friggin tractor) with a saber strapped to your hip, and not have it get in the way.

Your best bet, would be to get something with a baldric, and just take it off when getting into your car.

If I'm doing the conversion right, 24'' is about 60 cm. That saber has an 82cm blade.
A saber in that range is just silly. Maybe something like a civil war artillery sword?

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>>35078180
So where do you find an authentic longsword for less than 250USD? Viking sword?

The truth is that for plenty of sword type you can't get an original cheaper than a repro, not by a long shot. Especially not if you want the sword to be in good condition, instead of a a few specks of rust. And then of course there's the question of what the sword will be used for. Even if the price was equal I'd recommend the replica for back yard cutting, fencing practice, or whatever else someone could think of that'd mean wear and tear. Let the newly made ones take the blows, while the originals are preserved.

>>35078206
Few makers use wholly historical techniques. Many makers also use some more or less historical techniques of course, but more because that's what works than because they're historical.

I can't think of anyone with an estoc available off the shelf though, unless you accept Pavel Moc's labelling of a Castillon-style type XVIII as an estoc. So your best option may be to find a nice original and then ask someone for a custom copy.

>>35078373
>(whatever you might think about BOTN), that's a good indication of how their heat treat holds up.
That does suggest some pretty sturdy blades, the question is though if they are also sensible in weight and balance? Given the nature of BotN I could see a smith mostly making blades for such defaulting to some rather hefty designs, clubs more than swords. So at least specifying that you're not after a BotN-style weapon may be prudent.

Does that strange idea by Jay Fisher about properly done stainless steel (440c and ats34) with cryogenic and all that being better than carbon steel hold any weight?

What does /k/ think about these two swords?
https://www.wulflund.com/weapons/swords/medieval-swords/bojan-hand-and-a-half-sword-battle-ready-replica.html/
https://www.wulflund.com/weapons/swords/medieval-swords/hand-and-a-half-sword---winner.html/

And what steel do they have?

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>>35078693
>So at least specifying that you're not after a BotN-style weapon may be prudent.

The sharp ones I have are very sensibly balanced. ~17 cm for the saber, ~10 cm for pic related.

>>35078966

not sure i like the rounded grip on the second one. The first one ssems fine.

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>>35078922
An art knife maker isn't perhaps who I'd ask for advice on sword steels (he may of course be good at that, but it is far from guaranteed), and the 440C bit at least seems a bit odd. I have no clue about ATS34. But get a test piece from him, have someone who knows his shit when it comes to heat treating high carbon steel swords provide a test piece of that, run the tests and we'll know.

>>35078966
First one's very plain, but ok looking. Sane weight.

Second isn't as nice looking, no weight listed (overbuilt to stand up to re-enactment/stage fighting?).

Both quite cheap, completely unknown (to me) quality and balance.

>>35079001
Rotational nodes? Kinda nice look to that one overall though, shame about the tip not quite being there.

>>35079148
>Rotational nodes

hell if I know. Feels alright. Transition to handshake feels good as well. The tip could be less rounded, and more acute, but it's not horrible.

>>35079148
What kind of bastard sword would you recommend me? I can't afford an albion.

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>>35079262
I was rather thinking of the cross-sectional geometry, seems like there's a ridge there instead of a proper lenticular, and the end of the fuller may be a bit too defined, possibly to some degree because of the ridge making the tip a bit thicker than it should be.

>>35079289
The usual recommendation for something on the cheap is Hanwei's Tinker line. haven't gotten to molest them in person, but they were received well enough on MyArmoury when they came out at least. For something slightly fancier looking, and I'd guess otherwise largely comparable, there's Valiant Armoury. Then there's all the east European makers, some of whom are decent enough. The blade on my Regenyei turned out rather modern looking, but for the price it's fine, make sure to specify a more historical one and I'm sure you could get it at some cost, though heck knows if he'll have the time for such nowadays (scheduling tends to be the bane of the smaller makers in general).

>>35079358
>cross-sectional geometry

fair enough - it could be more tapered, but as I said - it's not horrible.

>>35079289
Check historicalmarket.com (the one I mentioned already) - they have a model that is the same general design as the Albion Sempach, if a bit heavier - as far as I can tell, the pommel is a bit more massive, and the fuller is not as deep (also the front section is a flat diamond, not hexagonal), so the sharp version is ~200 grams heavier than the albion (which is 1.36kg).

>>35079400
http://historicalmarket.com/hand-and-a-half/264-medieval-sword-type-xvii-1370-1420.html

You mean that one?

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>>35079444
>http://historicalmarket.com/hand-and-a-half/264-medieval-sword-type-xvii-1370-1420.html

>while a sharpened one is very good for a fencing

...I'll pass.

>>35079611
Well that means I'm back to Cold Steel again. On the upside, the sword will likely never break.

Why are albion swords so fucking expensive

>>35078693
What if I changed the description to kind of thin, long sword (3-4 ft) that was used to stab armored people? What are my options, then?

>>35075036
>Some books to get you started.
god damnit, just when I told myself not to blow all my money on books....
Thanks for the list!

>>35078046
Find me a functional medieval sword on the cheap and I'll thank you you autistic poc

>>35079611
>>35079636

if you mean the poor english, then yeah - those guys are no linguists by any means.

But they make pretty decent blades. The bit you quoted was about the blunt version being for sparring, while the sharpened one for practice cutting.

And all their swords come with the mcdonalds style "water is hot" warnings that sharp swords should not be used for sparring.

Imo they are much better than CS

>>35078218

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP4lWzlO894

Listen you massive fagget, if you ever manage to reproduce and have kids (which is doubtful), you'll understand this shit isn't a fantasy...it's a man's worst nightmare. Gone are the days when I went to check that bump in the night with my Glock 17 with trjicon sights and frangible ammo. Due to the infinite wisdom and benevolence of my rulers, I now have to resort to 10th century technology, a goddamned sharpened piece of steel and a glorified pot lid.

But between the police arriving just seconds after a break-in and stopping it, and you being held down while a team of feral roody poos spend the weekend creampieing your wife and children, there's a fucking ocean of possibilities and effective responses. Most of us peasants are denied the greatest equalizer, firearms, even in 'Murica. So what now you brainless cuck? Would you make the home invaders a spot of tea while they rape your wife?

Fuck that shit, be a man, FIGHT YOU STUPID CUNT, be a proud defender of your home and buy the best weapon you can, even if it's "only" a sword and shield...I'll gladly take a mag of .45 acp to the chest and ask for seconds, if I can get to one or two of them and spill their guts on my kitchen floor. Any of them left wont stick around to deal with that shit.

>crazy wife also with naginata and fire extinguisher in back bedroom
>crazy daughters with short swords
>no quarter asked or given

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>>35079785
That could be a longsword, that could be a rapier, it could be, well, many things. Hell, they had some bits of armour in WW1, so the M1912 "Patton" sabre may fit. What it probably is all said and done is a case of "go back to your homework" until you know a bit more specifically how your wishes match up to history, and hopefully pick up along the way what maker suits that.

But if I'm to guess then you want a reasonably stiff, pointy and slender longsword. If it's done right then the type XVII linked by anon above should fit. Or you can just have a look at Valiant and the Hanwei Tinker line and grab whatever has the slimmest profile really, hoping it won't be all too floppy (internet reviews could help of course). Or find pics of an old type XVII and ask one of the east Europeans for a custom. Or an XVIIIb, specifying a pretty stiff blade for anti-armour half sword. Some type XVa should fit too, or any uncategorised that fits the overall idea (slim, stiff, pointy).

>>35080625
>if you mean the poor english, then yeah - those guys are no linguists by any means.
It was more that one specific bit of what I hope was poor English. Fencing with sharp longswords, that'd be something...

>>35080685
>naginata and fire extinguisher in back bedroom
An excellent anti-ceiling weapon.

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>>35073527
Are you asking to be ended rightly?

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>>35081076

Not really, the power is in the downstroke. You raise it up as high as you can and chop down. Or don't be a dumbass and just use it like a spear. They were standard issue for a house wife to use in feudal Japan.

>>35080685
Condolences on the crazy wife and lets hope her taking your guns by proxy doesn't get you killed too.

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>>35076014
>implying

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>>35073188
Hi /k/
Britfag here, I'm thinking of taking fencing lessons and eventually coming into ownership of a rapier.

Can you guys advise on the legality of the following:
I buy the materials needed, pay a blacksmith to forge the blade part along with an attachable hilt (that I can attach to the blade at my home to create the rapier), then once the parts are fabricated I put them both into a GPS-locked case that only opens once I get home.
The blade would be made to "methods" post-1954.

Attached is an image from the UK's government website on the law regarding knives etc.

What I've noticed is that nowhere does it say that I cannot get a sword made, or atleast a blade made for myself. If I own all the materials prior to fabrication then the blade is owned by me, the blacksmith is merely changing something which I own. Surely getting it made doesn't mean that it is being "brought" into the UK? The blacksmith handing me the blade wouldn't be "giving" it to me as I already own it.

Any anons got any advice on this, or is my plan just retarded?

Thanks.

>>35081345
Imagine if we sharpened the crossguard on that thing.

The better question is
How do I make my sword Legend?ry

>>35081365
just use an icepick

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Gonna post my shit with a lil review to go with it.

From Left to Right.

>Deepeeka Molay Long Sword
Meant to get the arming sword, oops. Heavy for a long sword due to it having an arming sword blade design in a long sword package, better with a 2h grip. Nutted pommel so tightening of fittings is easy, they also come loose easier too. No distal taper. Decent flex to it but I wouldn't recommend the long sword version. Thankfully this company is cheap.

>Windlass Steelcrafts German Mace
Far sturdier than what I was expecting for a mace in its pricerange. Abused the fuck out of this thing. "Chopped" a 1 1/2' tree down with it. The only damage this mace suffered was a bent flange from hitting a knothole at a funny angle. Would recommend.

>Deepeeka Crucifix Long Sword
Very light, very quick with a flex that always snaps back into shape. Nutted pommel, like all Deepeekas so easily loosened and easily tightened. No distal taper. Again, very affordable company. I would recommend this one to someone looking for an entry level blade.

>Sword Cane (unknown company)
Friend gifted this to me, got it overseas. No discernible maker's mark. Button release with a 14" blade. Constructed out steel. No idea what kind.

>Cold Steel Italian Long Sword
Heavy with a balance more suited to a 2h grip instead of either or. Nigh unbreakable. No distal taper. Fittings either come loose out of the box or become loose after very little use. Nutted pommel with the nut-cap affixed with some sort of adamantium fucking lock-tite as I've been unable to get through it to tighten it back up. Very expensive for what you get. Would not recommend anything from CS that isn't a knife or a dagger.

>Kirpan(?) / Jambiya(?) (unknown company)
Sits on my mantle looking pretty. Damascus or "Damascus" blade with a camel bone grip. Same friend gifted it to me. Not sure who makes it. Main use has been in D&D sessions.

>Cold Steel Italian Dagger
It's pretty nice. Fittings are tight have yet to come loose.

cont.

>>35081076
Who else makes that kind of sword besides the 3 that you've mentioned? Hand and a half seems to fit the description more as the saber doesn't quite fit.

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>>35082273
cont.

Top to Bottom

>Weapon Edge Napoleonic French Command Staff Saber
It's sexy, fits snugly in my hand and is very controllable. Took me a bit to get used to the balance and dimensions of a saber but I am quickly falling in love with this one. Think I'm going to keep it blunted for sabrage.

>Darksword Armory Sage (Glamdring)
My current favorite. Peened pommel with a nice distal taper. Quick and powerful with a sexy ass leaf blade. Weight and balance is where a long sword should be and it comes with a very nice leather wrapped wood scabbard. I've always wanted a functional Glamdring and DSA did not disappoint me.

>H&K Mark 23
Not a sword, but is nice.

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>>35081365
>Any anons got any advice on this, or is my plan just retarded?

Yes. Its retarded. you are overthinking it to an absurd degree.

Go to the smith. Danelli, Todischini, Emslie, Miller, Vickers, Macdonald, Noyes, whoever else you want. Ask for what you want.

Pay 'em.

Wait for delivery. it gets sent by post.

Stick it in a locking case if you're doing HEMA and going to take it to events by bus or train.
Keep it at home, you can do whatever you want with it dont even need a case.

No smith is going to want you buying the steel. He does that. no smith is going to deliver a part-assembled weapon. There is no restriction on stuff being post-1954, or whatever you imagine there. you're completely getting the wrong end of the stick there.

the only point where it needs to be "traditionally made" is if itis a curved blade over 55cm, I think it is. If its that, it just needs to be recorded showing that its traditional. Guess what? Grinders were traditional too. Have a picture from the 8th century. You do not need your blade to be made any specific way. You as a uneducated gobshite, do not know what the best way is.

You give your money to the smith, you get a blade. They know what their job is, unlike you. dont fuck about like a gobshite making it more hassle than its worth, no smith I know would take the job if you start talking about all the shit you have.

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>>35082350
>Have a picture from the 8th century

sorry, 13th C.

this is the 8th century one.

>>35081365
That is not correct. You can definitely own swords in the UK if you have a reason to, such as test cutting, practicing HEMA or just collecting.

I am in the UK and do HEMA and literally have swords delivered to my house.

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>>35082239
you pay Peter Johnsson to make it.

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>>35081365

burgerfag here, we have a website called BUDK that specializes in selling nothing but everything that that list bans...

but as to your questions, it looks like
you can import certain items if you can justify it, see if you can use one of the authorized reasons from the website your used, also a hotline exists to contact them concerning authorized items and reasons

>>35082350
Thanks for the in-depth reply.
I basically want a self-defence weapon that I can eventually use ONLY in my home if I ever get an intruder, which I will use reasonable force (threatening, then stabbing in the legs if need be).
So I just order a rapier?
I see that there are many different types of steel and coating, some swords being a poxy £100, should I shell out £500+ or is a £100 sword good enough for this use?

>>35082350
Basically my post's intention was a potential loophole in the law, can an "offensive" weapon be made and then stored in my house for self-defence?

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>>35081276
>You raise it up as high as you can
>And hit the ceiling


>>35081365
>is my plan just retarded?
Yes.

>>35082391
>You can definitely own swords in the UK if you have a reason to

that bit is wrong.

You can own swords. Simple as that.

_you need no reason._

the only time you need a valid reason is if you are transporting outside your home. That applies to a sword, a knife, a shotgun, a rifle.
"I am travelling to/from a martial arts event where this is being used" is a valid defence in law.
"I am attending a reenactment event, officer, which is why I'm dressed like one of Santa's fucking elves" is also a valid reason.
"I am travelling to a clay shooting range, here is my shotgun certificate, you will see the rifle is in a case and unloaded" is a valid reason.

Own a sword in your home? You do not have to give ANY reason.
(yes, I am a brit too.)

>>35082474
If I want a sword do I just order one from a blacksmith to be sent to my home?

>>35082419
>I basically want a self-defence weapon

then you are a fucking mongoloid idiot, and have just implicated yourself in a court of law, and the prosecution are going to have your balls underneath the judges' gavel.

you did not buy a "self-defence weapon".

You bought "a sword", because you love 16th century fencing/roman legions/the film braveheart (you wanker)/the Wars of the Roses/the Civil War/Whenever, and wanted one to own. As is your legal right.

Chavvy mc Chavface burst into your home, and it was the first thing you grabbed to fend for yourself.
you did not buy it for defending yourself.


Welcome to the law. Learn it.

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>>35079358

Have a Hanwei Tinker Pierce. It's nice. Not exactly historical in manufacturing style but it gets the design notes pretty close compared to other shit on the market.

>>35082528
Well I philosophically don't care about the law if that is the case then. I've read "reasonable" force and nowhere does it say that I can't have a self-defence weapon. Doing non-fatal blows to the legs of an intruder and stopping if they become unconscious or fall to the floor is perfectly legal.
My home is my abode, it is my right as an Englishman to own a sword just like my ancestors, and to defend my home
and that's that.

>>35082501

pretty much, yes.

>email the maker:
"I want X,Y,Z."
"OK, I can do Y, would you like hilt colour 1,2,3?"
"I'll have a 3 please bob."
"that'll be £xxxx. it'll be delivered in 9months. I'd like a x% deposit in advance."
"here's your cash, guv'ner."
"thankyou".

>12 months later...

"Your sword's ready. sorry for the delay. please transfer £xxx."
"Ow. my wallet feels lighter now"
"thank you. your sword will arrive by Fedex on this date".

>1 week later
*bingbong*

"Fuckinellmate, whats in this package, a bloody sword? hahahaa"
"Haha. Nah, just some sports gear"
"have fun then, tata"

And there you have it. your sword, in your house, fedex driver pootles off to Mrs Miggins at #23 with a shipload of dildos, none the wiser.

>>35082594
I thought only americans had that right.

>>35082649
They have a legal right, but I have a moral right given by history and god.

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>>35081437
And then widened one end so it could be used like an axe or something, and made the other end a spike for armor penetration
woah...

>>35082594
>Well I philosophically

And the law doesnt care about your philosophy.

you say it was bought for "self defence" and you use it, you are about to be gently fist-fucked with the un-lubricated arm of the law. In fact, most smiths here in the UK who I know, if you said "I want X for self defence" are going to suddenly find their order books are full till 2027, or their price tag has just found an extra 0 at the end, because you are what they tend to call "one of those wankers", who is going to be more trouble than you're worth.

the same applies if its a sword, a gun, a bat, an 18-inch dildo. The law disapproves of specific purchases for the purpose of any act that involves violence - be you the attacker, or a defender.

You grab it for defence, because its there, you are fine. You have bought it for defence, the prosecution will call it premeditated.

>nowhere does it say that I can't have a self-defence weapon.

Correct. But you cannot specifically have a weapon prepared for self defence, at least technically. You just happened to have it there on the wall / in the umbrella stand / mantelpiece.

You need to learn the law, understand the law, and use the law to your advantage.

>>35082594
>I philosophically don't care about the law
Most people who intentionally break it don't but that doesn't really matter, I just figured I should inform you that stabbing someone in the legs is a pretty good way to kill them since there are plenty of blood vessels there. The general purpose of most weapons is to move blood where it isn't supposed to be (decapitation, amputation, and heat stoppage are just icing on the cake) and if you put holes in anyone anywhere you're going to be doing that. I met a mortuary assistant in college and for the 2 years that I knew him he prepared at least half a dozen people who had died from a gunshot to the hand, ostensibly because they didn't check their guns before cleaning them.

Not him BTW.

>>35082649
No, Americans *think* that only they have that right....

>>35082528
>it was the first thing you grabbed to fend for yourself
>you did not buy it to fend for yourself

Whew lad.

>>35082706
I agree entirely.

(I like the expression " purpose of most weapons is to move blood where it isn't supposed to be " - I'm going to steal that if you dont mind.)

While That Guy may think his waving a sword around is going to be "reasonable" etc, the fact he's completely misconstrued the law in a few ways, is utterly ignorant of what the actual rights are, and the likes, all points at him being a few cans short of a 6-pack. And that intellectual deviancy, combined with his newly purchased lungpoker, is likely to end up not just with a corpse on his floor, but him saying something as dumb as a bagfull of spanners to the police when they turn up.

If he gets broken into, hes going down for 6-12 years despite it being entirely legal as a valid defence, because he's going to say something stupid that will make his lawyer facepalm.

>>35082798
Correct.

Welcome to the law.
you did not buy it for the purpose of skewering that 16-year old junkie.
It was decorative on the wall.
its a tragedy that that poor, misunderstood kid broke in your honour, and in the moment of panic, you grabbed the first thing to hand.
Yes your honour, he rushed towards me.

you dont go into a court saying "yeah, I bought that sword to run through any motherfucker who broke into my crappy flat!" in this country.

not unless you're a fucking mongoloid idiot.

>>35082594
>it is my right as an Englishman to own a sword just like my ancestors, and to defend my home
wrong, your ancestors had that right. You do not

>>35082919
I will take it back.

>>35082919

Guess what?

Americans, saying with the absolute authority about what other people are legally allowed to do. And being wrong.

Isnt that an unexpected turn-up for the books...

>>35082742
Shit tier self-defense:
All of the east asian countries
Mexico
Britain
Brazil
Switzerland

The only countries other than the US I can think of that are even close to allowing citizens to value their lives are Poland and the Czech Republic. Care to expand the list for this ignorant american?

>>35078353
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=400928&name=D%2DGuard+Bowie+Knife
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=NS001&name=18th+Century+Hunting+Hanger
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=CS88CSH&name=Cold+Steel+1917+Hybrid+Cutlass
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=USS176A&name=British+Cutlass+%2D+24%27%27+Blade
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=500152&name=1860+Naval+Cutlass
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=SH2375&name=Hanwei+Revolutionary+War+Hanger
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=USD217&name=Lion+Head+Talabot
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=USD206&name=Model+1831+French+Artillery+Sword
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=500180&name=Pirate+Cutlass
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=USD207&name=US+Model+1832+Foot+Artillery+Sword

Take your pick

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>>35082808
>I'm going to steal that if you dont mind
Please do, I feel like it's a good way to frame things.

>>35082706
Where should I aim for on the body with a rapier in order to just subdue an intruder?
>>35082808
Stabbing an intruder in your house is reasonable force
They could have anything on them so I am just protecting myself
I'm not going to be some cuck and capitulate to a burglar
Threatening with a sword is reasonable
Please explain how I've misconstrued the law
How do you know that I would say something stupid?
I really don't understand this hostile tone when I'm just asking for advice on ensuring I can protect my house and family better.
>>35082878
That sounds retarded and illogical
The law is not retarded or illogical

>>35082703
How will I be more trouble than I'm worth when I just want a good quality functional sword delivered?
It's funny that in these times you make out smiths to be cucks and not armourers of the people

>>35082703
But that's retarded then
HOW THE TICK AM I MEANT TO PROTECT MYSELF IN MY OWN HOME THEN
IF SOME FUCK BURGLES INTO MY HOUSE SURELY I CAN BUY SOMETHING TO PROTECT MYSELF SPECIFICALLY IN THAT INSTANCE

>>35083244
>>35083322
THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF BRITKEKS

>>35083244
The leg is probably still the best place to go for if your intention is to subdue someone without killing them but you shouldn't be surprised if they get fucked up or run away and you're going to need to practice your ass off to control a fight in a manner that lets you choose your target.

>The law is not retarded or illogical
Not the guy you're saying that to but weapon laws are almost necessarily retarded worldwide.

http://gizmodo.com/why-switchblades-are-banned-1704050416

>>35083641
Ok thank you anon
As I said, I'm thinking of taking up fencing

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>>35076041
>>35076121
>>35081345
t. butthurt larpers

Sorry that your years of training with your 1000x folded blade was never as effective as a couple of conscripted farmers with pointy sticks.

>>35081076
>It was more that one specific bit of what I hope was poor English. Fencing with sharp longswords, that'd be something...

yeah, it's poor english. One of these days I'm gonna translate their stuff, but I'm too lazy to do that.

The general idea is that their blunt swords are for "combat" - aka sparring, reenactment, tournaments, while the sharp swords are for practice cutting.

As for the longsword - a type XVII, or XVa are probably best bets. Again, both Albion, and CSS make something like the picture you linked - it's based on a historical sword, so that's hardly surprising.

>>35079785
Look for an estoc

What's the verdict on Dark Sword Armory? Complete trash or is there some good stuff?

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>>35082663
More like this.

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>>35081328

Thanks man, here's a (you). Honestly, with a bit of training the odds feel pretty good compared to a gun:
- it's home defense, so you have home field advantage
- stealth & surprise: just stay quiet, and in darkness if at night
- most engagement distances under 10 feet, ie Tueller drill (just stay out of halls, camp doorways)
- adrenaline reduces fine motor control, bad for firearms
- adrenaline increases muscle strength, good for melee weapons

I feel like the key is to also have a buckler: great active defense against an intruder's melee weapon, and great for additional offense if they have a gun. A buckler's edge to the face would be pretty brutal.

>>35085756

/k/ says they're fake and gay.

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Sword is for the pussy.
Axe is what real man kill.
No kill only is just hard and head good

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Pride and joy of my knife collection.

>>35086093
they sell most of their swords blunt

at the prince range most people will recommend valiant armoury

DSA blades is are made in canada, VA blades are made in China but assembled in america, so if you don't mind a bunch of Chinks making your Euro blades, it's a good option

>>35086093
>fake and gay

I believe you already introduced yourself, kid, no need to shout your name all over the place. We heard you the first time (and we still don't care).

>>35083049
what a load of fake and gay crap from cunt of arsethena. Don't buy genuine items at auction for less kids buy our Chinese made shit! fill the world with fake crap pumped out by Chinese factories and destroy your heritage instead be fake and gay!

>>35086255
That's a very fake and gay reply you have there. If people send money to cunt of arsethena to stop selling Chinese fakery will they agree to stop polluting the world with shit? Will the cunt of arsethena paid 'social media marketers' on youtube and here pimping fake and gay Chinese shit then fuck off and die?

>>35086247
>are made in China

Fake and gay when you can but a real sword that's an actual part of your nations military history at auction for less. Fucking sad raping western heritage of arms and armour for fake and gay shit.

>>35082345
fake and gay crap. worthless shit. You could have spent on something that was part of history and held value but instead you bought fake and gay.

>>35086217
>not a dane axe

filthy peasant.

>>35086293
sure, better buy a rusty old wallhanger that will fall apart the moment you try to use it, than a functional weapon.

>fake gay

you real gay tho

>>35075293
>a modern reproduction

fake and gay from china. get those shekels to cunt of Athena quick. Don't buy a real piece of your nations history at auction for less. Fake and gay is the millennial way! help the Chinese economy pump out shit, undermine your own cultural heritage with mass produced junk!

>>35075293
>that particular blade are featured in Richard Marsden's book on the Polish Saber

no it did not because the sword in his book is not fake and gay like yours

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>>35086308
>rusty old wallhanger

https://www.skinnerinc.com/auctions/2946M/lots/274

"Auction: Clocks, Watches & Scientific Instruments - 2946MLocation: MarlboroughDate / Time : October 27, 2016 10:00AM
Description:

Germanic Cavalry Saber, late 18th century, gilded brass hilt with single branch guard, wire-wrapped ivory grip, overall lg. 34 1/2 in.

Provenance: Collection of George Snook, M.D.
Estimate $200-400

"

You fake and gay people buy the fake and gay stuff from china instead of genuine (and lethal) pieces because you are just fake an gay people (and stupid).

Example attached and described of affordable piece which will hold and rise in value as oppose to fake and gay rubbish

>>35078230
>tips fedora katana-master

they are fake and gay central muh 'battleready' Chinese shit jap worshiping faggots

>>35085941
>the key is to also have a buckler: great active defense against an intruder's melee weapon, and great for additional offense if they have a gun


tiny fake and gay Chinese mass produced rubbish Vs gun. In the mind of the fake and gay they are victorious Vs gun.

The teen mind seems to be fully fake gay and stupid these days.

>>35082594
>Doing non-fatal blows to the legs
until you open up an artery and suddenly there's blood everywhere and a corpse at your feet.

>>35083322
No, you're simply too stupid for that.

>>35086407
buy a fucking crowbar or slash-hook from a hardware store then and stop pouring shekels to the fake and gay industry. Then treat yourself and buy a real genuine lethal piece of history at auction for less than your fake and gay crap and profit

cult of arsethena hates the kids being told to stop wasting their money, feel the fake and gay rage

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>>35082315
A kinda slender longsword? Pretty much everyone and their aunt. The rest could do it more or less as a custom piece. Hit google or shoot 'em an email to see if it's also a pretty stiff one, look around for reviews about handling, quality and how well the maker does business in general.

http://www.sword.cz/swords.htm
http://lutel-handicraft.com/?p=productsList&iCategory=29&sName=Hand-and-a-half-swords
http://www.arms-n-armor.com/
http://swords.cz/
http://albion-swords.com/
https://www.nielo-sword.com/fotogalerie/english-catalogue/

Etc. Prices, approach to making, quality, delivery times etc vary. Read up until you figure out what exactly it is you want out of things.

>>35085756
Taking a look...
>Darksword Armory’s Medieval Swords are individually hand forged in North America to look, feel and perform as the originals.
Said medieval swords then include various designs directly ripped off from the Lord of the Rings movies, Bravehearth, some take on Excalibur, and various other fantasy designs they may or may not have come up with themselves. Labelling that as "medieval" isn't inspiring confidence.

Holy crap, can the projecting faggot please leave.

>>35085941
I'm afraid a buckler will not hold up to anything more than birdshot. I have a sabre machete and considered getting a buckler (nogunz because eurofag) but decided I would probably not use it well. Props if you'll actually learn sword and buckler though.

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>>35086311
>made to order by a Polish Manufacturer in Poland
>from China

you're not making any sense, kid.

Having a Polish-made Polish saber is as real as it gets.

You know, the exact opposite of fake.

>>35078324
>often better quality than the originals.
Historic steel is full of impurities which wouldn't even pass chinese QC. Modern spring steel is the best.

>>35086504
Wait. So what if I get an authentic Jian? Or a Dao?
Would his brain explode?

>>35086515
His brain popped long ago. He's spinning along with the time cube now.

>>35086498
>Polish-made

HA! Having said that I have just binned a polish 16th century sabre with a missing grip. After all its your heritage and you clearly place no value on it. A piece of modem made junk is just the same so why bother preserving it.

Yes I did. Well done. Keep going.

>>35086521
do you work for fake and gay shekels or are you just chronically retarded?

>>35086263
I don't want heritage. I want a practical modern carry sword.
And I can just buy something made elsewhere than china. They are not the only country making new swords.

>>35086903
>I want a practical modern carry sword.

Please. Read that aloud, If you were not hell bent on flooding the world with reproduction crap to stave off your teen angst it would not matter

>>35086880

wait.

Are you implying this: http://secretsoftheice.com/news/2017/09/05/viking-sword/

is in "usable" condition?

>>35086903

chill, dude. The fake and gay faggot has zero understanding of what the word "fake" actually means.

A modern reproduction sword IS a REAL sword (and most of the time higher quality than its "original", 1000 year old counterpart).

>>35086910
I did, and can't find anything wrong with it. Sorry my local culture is different than yours and such a thing is something I can have and you cant.

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>>35086403
Now I know for a fact you've never even held a buckler. They're a brutal weapon in their own right, and can easily punch someone's face in.

>>35086483
The intent with a buckler in this case is not to stop bullets obviously, its to deflect the assailant's weapon hand or simultaneously attack with your blade.

>>35086281
>Fake and gay when you can but a real sword that's an actual part of your nations military history at auction for less
you can buy a 12th century sword at an auction that's not rusted and rotted for less?

>>35086903
Fucking...
Go antique hunting, buy something from 1890s-WW1. Sabre, estoc-type blade, what have you. Shouldn't bee too expensive and unless the rusting is terrible a spot of polish and a bit of whetstoning will yield a very effective fencing weapon. The state of swordplay hasn't evolved terribly far and humans are still tall pigs with regular blood.

>>35088743
>>35088863

what if I want a sword I can actually use? WWI stuff - maybe. There are still some authentic WWI issue kukris floating around, although using a 120 year old blade of unknown quality seems iffy.

Still, you'd be stupid to not buy a WWI pattern kukri from Tora Blades instead.

And then there are 14th century and earlier weapons that simply don't exist in anything even approaching usable condition.

Here's a great example of a 15th century sword:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKynZvVGekM

and that's about the extent of what you can do with it - look at it and gently handle it, and that's it.

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>>35073379
>>35073527
>>35074292
What the fuck are you saying, you underaged nigger?

>>35085756
See
>>35082345
I own the Sage and I couldn't be happier with it. They have a decent distal taper and they have a peened pommel instead of threaded. Weight and balance is well within the range of 'historical' long swords. I definitely would recommend DSA.

>>35086293
>muh historical value
Fuck off faggot. I wanted a functional Glamdring so I bought a functional Glamdring. If you're going to sperg about historical accuracy go and take your dumbass to /his/.

>>35075948
The CS Italian longsword is pretty good for the price, its not pretty but it swings well

>>35089991
>>35075948
I would recommend against any CS swords. I have the Italian long sword posted above and I just don't trust Cold Steel's QC. Sure the blades themselves are nearly unbreakable but their fittings are always assembled poorly and they use some sort of crazy lock-tite on the pommel cap so retightening becomes a task and a half.

>>35075036
>Nagayama, The Connoisseurs Book of Japanese Swords
>Kapp, Kapp & Yoshihara, The Craft of the Japanese Sword
>Peirce, Swords of the Viking Age
>Anything by Oakeshott

Have read these, can recommend, gives you a good starting point about european and nip things. If you want to get into the how to actually use one part, I can recommend John Clements:Medieval Swordsmanship. If you want some more info on jap stuff, pick up John M. Yumoto's The Samurai Sword: A handbook

>>35085941
Make a kevlar liner for that buckler

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>>35091269
>I can recommend John Clements:Medieval Swordsmanship

From what I've heard the connection between what's in that book and historical swordsmanship is largely limited to the weapons used. Might work for some, but since we have the option of understandable manuscripts from back in the day, I see little point in it. So here's Meyer, a bit sporterised in the longsword parts part perhaps, but the more thorough explanations can give you an understanding of the concepts from which to work with older manuscripts: http://www.mediafire.com/file/byl72m2jmwtla5v/Meyer.pdf

Then again, I'd also say that a book won't really teach you fencing, it'll merely teach you about fencing (which is certainly interesting enough on its own). Putting it into action on your own means at least one training partner and years of hard work. If you can find a group that has already been at it for years, ideally visiting a lot of seminars and competitions and whatnot to compare notes (which Clements&Co makes a point of not doing) it'll help a lot.

Also worth mentioning is that William's "The Sword and the Crucible" provides a decent European companion to "The Craft of the Japanese Sword". It approaches things form the metallurgical standpoint rather than the craftsman's, but the end result is nevertheless that together they help dispel plenty of the usual rubbish regarding differences in European and Japanese metallurgy.

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>>35073188
>swords = gay
>blades are fine

Today made some wood straps with -Chromoxid and Rust
>Knife can split my hairs
>sharpest pocket knife in my town or /k/

Daily reminder that John Clements talks a lot of shit and his class is basically a weird personality cult.

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>>35091649

>John Clements

I'll stick with Roland, thanks.

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>>35091488
>Today made some wood straps with -Chromoxid and Rust

>>35089787
>I wanted a functional Glamdring

Harmless. Fake and gay but harmless.

>>35089479
I'm telling you that you attracted to fake and gay 'cos your stupid

>>35089001
For fuck sake scroll up and see a WW1 broadsword. Also since you know fuck all (evidently) sit down and shut the fuck up

>>35088863
>Fucking...Go antique hunting, buy something from 1890s-WW1. Sabre, estoc-type blade, what have you. Shouldn't bee too expensive and unless the rusting is terrible a spot of polish and a bit of whetstoning will yield a very effective fencing weapon. The state of swordplay hasn't evolved terribly far and humans are still tall pigs with regular blood.

/thread

>>35086961
>reproduction sword

Fake and gay.

>>35086975
>Sorry my local culture is different than yours and such a thing is something I can have and you cant.

Look retard I CAN have it, I don't want it, even for free and if it was given to me for free I'd run an angle grinder through it and bin it because it is fake and gay. its just fucking worthless as anything other than scrap metal. You got ripped off. Don't try claiming your entire nation is retarded because you are.

>>35087182
>Now I know for a fact you've never even held a buckler. They're a brutal weapon in their own right, and can easily punch someone's face in.

Observe retard who wants to take on someone with a gun with a fake and gay copy of a tiny renaissance shield. These people are the fake and gay people

>>35085941
>also have a buckler: great active defense against an intruder's melee weapon, and great for additional offense if they have a gun.

Retarded AND fake and gay

>>35086943
Weird logic. Tens of thousands of real swords and pieces of history available at auction often for less than the fake and gay crap and finds picture of ancient rusting Viking sword as reason to buy fake and gay shit. Face it you know fuck all about real swords and are a twat.

>>35094061
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>>35094096
>>35094106
>>35094192


Fascinating. So tell me. When did you get this urge to repeatedly tell people that you are gay?

>>35094192

Ah really? All those FUNCTIONAL, NOT RUSTED, STILL USABLE 1200 year old swords that totally won't shatter the moment you swing them too hard, and somehow people insist on buying superior swords made from superior steel, by superior craftsmen.

Crazy...

>>35094355
>>35094331

The gayness is rising. One kid buys a genuine 19th century sabre. One kid buys a lump of shit made in China. 20 years later one kid has something worth quite a bit more and owns an amazing piece of lethal weapons history and the other kid has an ugly worthless lump of metal.

Which one are you? Ah you're the fake and gay kid with the Chinese scrap metal. Muh vikang.

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>>35075277
>faggot steel
This is Louis XIV. He is one of the most powerful people to have ever lived, and fucked more women than you have probably known. That sword was quite fashionable in the period his life encompassed.

>>35094713
He was also one of the first weapons collectors. True 'cabinet des armes'

>>35094355
does not know actual swords from 19th/20th century were proof tested and marked for quality by goverents like firearms. Unlike his worthless chinese shit.

>>35094713
>the mother fucking Sun King

>>35094629
>one kid buys a genuine 19th century sabre that breaks when he tries to use it
>another kid doesn't buy a 10th c. sword, because there are none for sale.
>adult buys a hight quality modern reproduction that would make the owner of the original piece it is based on green with envy

FTFY

>>35094933
>does not know a 100 year old blade doesn't hold up to the same standards as it did when it was new. Nevermind that a well made modern repro is light years ahead in quality to begin with.

Perhaps someone forgot to tell you, but this thread is about USING swords, not geting a pretty historical piece, and locking it away in a cabinet for fear of damaging the thing.

I hate to break it to you, kid, but a modern "reproduction sword" is a real sword (unlike, say, a movie prop sword, or a decoration sword made from non tempered stainless steel). And given the quality of modern steel, and the advancement in forging techniques, modern swords surpass the originals in quality by leaps.

Wether the repro is historically accurate, is another thing entirely.

Also - since when is central Europe part of China?

>>35095036
>"reproduction sword

Fake and gay. Whats the proof mark on your fake and gay shit anyway an LGBT rainbow?

>>35095101
>fake and gay

why do you keep introducing yourself over and over?

>>35095164
Muh chinese vikangz.

Chinese Factory Worker Can't Believe The Shit He Makes For Americans

FENGHUA, CHINA—Chen Hsien, an employee of Fenghua Ningbo Plastic Works Ltd., a plastics factory that manufactures lightweight household items for Western markets, expressed his disbelief Monday over the "sheer amount of shit Americans will buy."
Chen makes yet more stupid crap for consumers overseas.
"Often, when we're assigned a new order for, say, 'salad shooters,' I will say to myself, 'There's no way that anyone will ever buy these,'" Chen said during his lunch break in an open-air courtyard. "One month later, we will receive an order for the same product, but three times the quantity. How can anyone have a need for such useless shit?"

Chen, 23, who has worked as an injection-mold and stainless steel processing operator at the factory since it opened in 1996, said he frequently asks himself these questions during his workweek, which exceeds 60 hours and earns him the equivalent of $21.

>>35095164

"I hear that Americans can buy anything they want, and I believe it, judging from the things I've made for them," Chen said. "And I also hear that, when they no longer want an item, they simply throw it away. So wasteful and contemptible."


Among the items that Chen has helped create are plastic-bag dispensers, 'battle ready' viking sword shaped obects,microwave omelet cookers, glow-in-the-dark page magnifiers, zweihander swords shaped obects,Christmas-themed file baskets, animal-shaped contact-lens cases, and adhesive-backed wall hooks.
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"Sometimes, an item the factory produces resembles nothing I've ever seen," Chen said. "One time, we made something that looked like a ladle, but it had holes in its cup and a handle that bent down 90 degrees. The foreman told us that it was a soda-can holder for an automobile. If you are lucky enough to own a car, sit back and enjoy the journey. Save the soda beverage for later."
Chen added: "A cup holder or a crappy fake and gay vikang shaped sword object is not a necessary or worthwhile thing to own."
Chen expressed similar confusion over the tens of thousands of pineapple corers, plastic eyeshades, toothpick dispensers, fake and gay sword shaped objects and dog pull-toys that he has helped manufacture.

>>35095164

"Why the demand for so many kitchen gadgets and fake sword shaped objects?"

Chen said. "I can understand having a good wok, a rice cooker, a tea kettle, a hot plate, some utensils, good china, a teapot with a strainer, and maybe a thermos. But all these extra things—where do the Americans put them? How many times will you use a taco-shell holder or a fake and gay sword shaped object? 'Oh, I really need this silverware-drawer sorter or vikang sword shaped objectI will have fits.' Shut up, stupid American.Why do they need 'battle ready' sword shaped objects, are they retarded? If I call my plastic forks batt;e ready will they also buy them?"


Chen added that many of the items break after only a few uses.

"None are built to last very long," Chen said. "That is probably so the Americans can return to buy more. Not even the badly translated assembly instructions deter them. If I bought a kitchen item that came with such poor Mandarin instructions, I would return the item immediately."

May Gao of the Hong Kong-based labor-advocacy group China Labour Bulletin said complaints like Chen's are common among workers in China's bustling industrial cities.

>>35095164
Continued Gao: "As Chinese manufacturing and foreign investment continue to grow, and more silly novelty products are invented, we can expect to see more of these protests."

In the meantime, Chen continues to stew in bitterness. Though he dislikes his work, competition for manufacturing jobs in Fenghua is stiff and he must support his wife, mother, and 2-year-old son.

"My cousin Yuen is self-employed," Chen said. "He disassembles old computers that are acquired from overseas and extracts the traces of valuable gold and silver from the circuit boards. He asked me to join him. The work is very toxic, but at least I would not be looking at suction-cup razor holders, shitty lord of the rings sword shaped objects and jumbo-dice keychains all day."

Chen added: "For now, I must refuse the job. Somehow, the only thing more depressing than making plastic shit for Americans is destroying the plastic shit and broken sword objects they send back."

>>35095164
Go and buy an actual lethal government proof tested lethal piece of history and cease being a retarded fake and gay Chinese sword shaped object hoarding retarded faggot

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>>35095349

Is there any connection whatsoever between you and reality?

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>>35095396
On today's episode of "troll or insane", the guy who makes up quotes to complain about things being fake, and who implies you can get a authentic Viking sword in usable condition for less then 300 USD.

>>35095532
Are you a real Viking?

Faggot

>>35095541
Irrelevant.

>>35095549
>Irrelevant.

So you are a fake and gay Vikang with a fake and gay Chinese sword shaped object. Not irrelevant. Do you actually own any real swords at all?

>>35095396
>Is there any connection whatsoever between you and reality?

Yes unlike your fake and gay Chinese made 'vikang swords' or did norsemen in 1000AD order them off amazon from china too?

Is this an actual larp vikamgz thing you do? Do you dress up? Any pics?

>>35095549
show us your pointy Chinese made fake vikang helmet thing you faggot go on, don't be shy.

>>35095532
Fake and gay

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>>35095549
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>>35095532
Red Viking Beard

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One size fits most teens and adults. For ages 14 and up.

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>>35095549

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>>35095164
Stop fucking responding you goddamned mongoloid

>>35095559
>Do you actually own any real swords at all?

5

Well, technically, one is a langsax, one is a saber, and one is a rapier, which leaves two actual "swords" - a type L and a type XVII.

>>35095696
dude, I work in IT, responding to this retard feels like vacation compared to some of the problems people at the office call in.

>>35095709
>dude, I work in IT, responding to this retard feels like vacation compared to some of the problems people at the office call in.


Is that why you pretend you are a vikang with a little pointy hat and a fake and gay Chinese vikang sword?

Do you own ANY real swords?

>>35095701
No is the answer clearly because nothing in your answer indicates you own anything other than repro fake and gay shit. What a retard.
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>>35095752
aaawwwww

baby is trolling. how adorable. shouldn't you be in school?

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Here's an actual French cuirassier (real sword)

This model of sword was introduced in the Revolutionary Year AN IX (1800–1801) and was an attempt to standardise the wide variety of cavalry swords adopted since the French Revolution in 1789.

The hilt or handle is made from cast brass with four bars coming out of the guard to protect the soldier’s hand. The handgrip is wooden, covered in leather and bound with brass wire to stop it slipping if the soldier’s hand was covered in sweat or blood.

The straight blade was intended to be used in a stabbing motion. It was 98cm long, letting a soldier reach almost to the ground from horseback. It had two grooves which ran along both sides of the blade. Some people think that these grooves, called ‘fullers’ were intended to allow the blood from a wound to flow easily down the blade. Their real purpose was to make the sword lighter without losing its strength.

The scabbard is made from steel sheet with a wooden lining. The bottom ends with a lyre shaped plate or ‘chape’ which dragged on the ground. It was worn on a white leather belt around the waist.

The steel helmets, breast and back plates of the cuirassiers made them formidable enemies who were hard to kill. Lord Edward Somerset, commanding the Household Brigade, recalled that at Waterloo ‘the blows on the cuirasses sounded like braziers at work’. Captain Gronow of the 1st Regiment of Foot Guards said the sound of bullets bouncing off them ‘was like a violent hailstorm beating upon panes of glass’.

The ANIX was a very successful sword that was still being used as late as 1870.


Just think if you had not bought that overpriced valueless fake and gay shit you could actually own something like that. Now cry in your stupidity

>>35095780
>aaawwwwwbaby is trolling. how adorable. shouldn't you be in school?


Its one thing to be piss poor and retarded and want a sword shaped object so badly that you wind up buying some Chinese shit. Its a whole extra level of retard to have spent so much on bullshit fakery that you could actually have built up a small collection of real swords. But you don't own a SINGLE genuine sword just Chinese made shite of no merit, interest or value any more than a stainless steel butterknife shipped from hong kong yesterday. .

>>35095801
>buying french weapons

no thanks, If I wanted something to hang the white flag, i'd get a stick for free.

Also - nice wallhanger you got there. Shame it's going to snap the first time you tried to swing it.

Imagine if you had bought a functional blade instead of some worthless antique memorabilia.

Now cry in your stupidity.

>>35095641
And there you have it. The thing you tell people to buy simply doesn't exist. There are no usable Viking age swords around. The number of medieval swords in usable conditions is minimal, and they cost a small fortune when they're up for sale. Buying a 19th century sword is nice and all if you want a 19th century sword, but if you want to know how a rapier handles they're useless. You need a rapier for that.

>>35095801
Fake.

No, really. Those are quite frequently forged, so unless you have a good eye for the details and know exactly what those details are supposed to be, you can easily end up with a fake on your hands. But that's your game, isn't it? You scream and shout about replicas hoping more people will end up buying faked antiques from your ebay store instead.

>>35095859
>You need a rapier for that.

You can get a real rapier for less than you spent on that junk. Learn about real swords. Seriously do yourself a favour. You are wasting money on shit. The only convincing argument I ever heard for repros is they stop retards like you getting the real thing.

>>35095864
Nope I don't sell swords and have a large collection. I do value them occasionally. The eye for the detail. Start learning if you love swords and stop wasting your money on shit.

>>35095864
Its from the waterloo collection. Please stop being stupid.

Tens of thousands of real swords are sold yearly at auction. Learn about them and you will be surprised how readily you can get great pieces at reasonable prices ONCE YOU KNOW YOUR SHIT. Repro swords are WORTHLESS.

>>35095867
real swords belong in a museum, or on some collectors wall. If you want a sword to use, you get a modern repro, made from modern steel, with modern forging techniques, that is far superior, to anything the original ever was, even before it got to be several hundred years old.

I guess you just can't process the idea that good reproductions are not made in china.

>>35095887
awwww, how cute.

Baby is upset that his antique memorabilia wallhanger doesn't come even close to what a high end modern reproduction (like an Albion) is worth.

A good example.

The British 1912 cavalry sabre is widely reproduced (badly). You can actually but the real thing with a traceable history at british country auctions for less than the reproductions if you know how to spot them and once identified you have a great sword a piece of history and if you have to sell it at some point to a dealer a tidy profit. Listen or don't listen. I think you will cop on and in a few years realise how dumb you have been. Fuck maybe I would be as retarded as you if Chinese crap had been around when I was younger. You are being screwed. There is a huge profit margin for the people who sell this fake crap and they are ripping you off.

>>35095901
>If you want a sword to use

For what? Sticking someone? Be serious.

>>35095871
Anyone who starts learning will quickly realise that all swords aren't equal. So unless you specifically want a 19th century trooper's sword, suddenly those cheap antiques simply don't exist. Got any links to near-new Roman gladii selling for about 800USD anywhere?

>>35095875
Theirs isn't up for sale. Your fakes are.

>>35095907
>awwww, how cute.Baby is upset that his antique memorabilia wallhanger doesn't come even close to what a high end modern reproduction (like an Albion) is worth.


Jesus wept. The last sword I bough was a epee d'officier premier empire blue and gilt that the leather scabbard had shrunk on so did not get attention. I spotted it and got lucky at auction for 100 UK. Dealers sell them for 1000+. Meanwhile you are pissing your money away supporting Chinese fakery. The people selling you this repro shit are laughing at you from behind their hand. Its worthless.

>>35095915
>for what

for anything other than gently putting it in a cabinet. Learning hema is one thing. Test cutting and sword drills are another. I'm leaving out reenactment.

Peole like you buy collector's pieces of purely sentimental value. People who buy actual, usable swords know better.

>>35095917
>Theirs isn't up for sale. Your fakes are.

God you are pathetic. I don't sell swords. I buy them and collect them. Real swords. Go learn about swords and then auction houses. Go learn something about swords.

>>35095934
>Peole like you buy collector's pieces of purely sentimental value. People who buy actual, usable swords know better.


Let me say it again. The repro shit is worthless and always will be. Sorry. As regards knowing about swords...please. You have not even begun.

>>35095927
1. it's not chinese, unless China is in central europe
2. it's worth more than your collectible memorabilia
3. you still overpaid for your wallhanger - just because some unscrupulous individuals tried to sell it at a 1000% markup doesn't make it worth more.

>>35095942
i've forgotten more than you will ever know if you live to be 100, kid.

You can't even tell a cheap knockoff, from an actual forged blade.

>>35095938
>I buy them and collect them.

You obviously don't. No collector would suggest that a P1812 would be just the thing for someone who wants a khopesh. You're here to shill your fakes.

>>35095953
that, or cry about some buyers remorse over spending his brexit dolars on something that is worthless because no one else wants to buy it.

>>35095944
You win. I really had no reason to try and explain why you are

a)Wasting your money
b)Being ripped of by an unscrupulous industry making high margin selling you worthless junk
c)Tried to open your eyes.

But you don't give a fuck about swords, history, being ripped off, or anything else. You just want to sit there placing online order for tat. No your repro crap has almost zero resale value and virtually nothing to do wit real swords..

Go be stupid. One day you will grow up and cringe at yourself.

>>35095950
>i've forgotten more than you will ever know if you live to be 100, kid.You can't even tell a cheap knockoff, from an actual forged blade.


I assure you that unlike you am still learning every day and I have been collecting for nearly 30 years. You are utterly unconvincing to me. I don't know a single person who knows jack shit about swords who would waste money on buying repros instead of real swords.

I'm actually grad you lads are buying fakes. Its all you should be allowed have. The guy who said to me repros keep real swords from morons was right. You are morons, sitting there being ripped off with shit and loving it.

Carry on. No fucks are given. There is a reason that your repro shit is worthless. You figure it out.

>>35095965
>Wasting your money

Wasting their money buying the thing they want instead of the thing you desperately want them to buy.

>>35095965

a) am not. Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time
b) again - am not. I'm buying something I can use, as opposed to something I can only look at and hope it has "resale value".

Guess what. I also shoot BP. With a modern, Italian-made repro of a 1851. By your logic, I should stop "wasting money" on this fake and gay thing called "having fun" and buy a "real" 1851, put it in a cabinet, and jerk off over the increasing resale value, that disappears in a cloud of smoke and shattered gun parts the first time someone takes it to the range.

I actually do give a fuck about history - that's why I study museum pieces, and practice WITH repros - to better understand how they were used.

And being a properly forged, heat treated, and historically accurate blade makes a repro just as "real", as your precious museum wallhanger.

What do you suppose people practice hema wit? Antique 15th century longswords found at an auction, or modern-made reproductions?

Just because you are incapable of recognising worth outside of what you sincerely hope is the "resale value", don't mean squat.

Somehow I don't think Mike Loades, or Roland Warzecha, or Tobias Capwell, or a number of other people, would share your view of what makes a "real" sword.

Hell - you're so edgy, you don't even need a sword.

>>35095976
you should stop thinking about swords on the internet then, and get close to real swords - I could point you to a number of people who have both.

Either that, or you're a retard with no friends, which is well and good - I wouldn't wish upon my mortal enemy to be personally acquainted with your sorry ass.

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>>35095982
Looks like we're getting towards stage four. So another day or two and you'll finally come to accept that your brilliant plan to flog more Napoleonic forgeries on ebay won't pan out.

>>35095982
>I'm glad people are enjoying the things they enjoy.
Wow, thanks anon. That's the most civil you've been all thread.

>>35096073
well, he's given us all those free bumps, so he wasn't entirely worthless. Unlike his collectible memorabilia.

>>35096013
So are you guys marketing this skallgrim type fake shit to plebs on here on whats the deal?

>>35096122
>>35096013
>>35096122
>Unlike his collectible memorabilia.

Sure antique swords are worthless. Right. You know the problem I have is the overmarketing you do on tis junk, the whole youtube celeb tosser pumping it, the threads on here. The push, I mean even a pawn shop will tell you that your fake sword is basically valueless. I know that its big margin and basically a marketing scam but are any of you actually making money from pushing this shit?

I'll tell you what I genuinely think. Sad fucks like 'skallgrim' et all make money pimping crap like cult of Athena. Sad life really and this is overspill. All I can tell the casual reader is you can buy a real sword that will appreciate in value at any auctioneers for less than this repro crap (which is worthless) if you bother to pick up a pick up a bit of knowledge about actual swords. Tell you what though. I will bother to get this post 1950 shit that is 'battleready' but actually not tested by anyone other than the seller and often drifts into being used as cheap instruments of fraud on suckers banned from import as the shit it is in my country.

You have a real nice day.

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>>35096245

>>35096293
So you saying that people who target a moron demographic to sell worthless rubbish of crappy vendoes like cult of Athena and get paid to do it on youtube don't know what they are doing?

You saying the people here who start these buy a fake sword threads don't?

As regards banning them. I've actually submitted papers on request to a government department on the subject before. Bottom line is unless this shit passes proof house testing or has 'for display purposes only -reproduction' stamped into it should be barred from import. Its shit and its time it died. Any genuine sword makers won't be afraid to put their makers mark on it and have it proofed, Thanks lads you really helped me realise that their is no reasoning with stupid.

>>35096245
you do realise, that KoA is just a reseller for a number of companies, from el cheapo ones like Windlass and Hanwei, all the way to Albion?

Second, the "resale value" that you push as the be all, end all, is quite meaningless (like your life) in this context.

This is a thread about swords. Not about collecting memorabilia, or speculating on antiques auctions.

I know it must be hard for a sad fuck like you to understand, but there is something called "sport", and among those sports there is hema, and people interested in learning the practical side of using historical weapons. People like historian Mike Loades, Tobias Capwell, Roland Warzecha, and numerous others appreciate, when it comes to having a modern-made, fully functional version of a historical piece.


You are either trying (oorly) to shill your own shady buisness reselling worthless historical trinkets, or you're just a retard who might as well be buying and selling postal stamps, or baseball cards, for all the use you get out of those swords.

>>35096347
>no reasoning with stupid

all you had to do was look in the mirror.

We've been posting marked swords from real swordmakers the whole time, but your fake and gay brain was incapable of functioning right to see.

If you want to discuss teenage spergs buying "zombie slayer fantasy elfhobbit prop replicas", that's a whole different subject.

And while we appreciate a good historical piece, there is just no place for it on the practical side of things, when it comes to learning historical fencing techniques sword in hand.

>>35095829
>buying french weapons
They're the highest quality antiques you can get. Dropped once but otherwise never used.

>>35086293
>muh stop liking what i don't like
>muh baiting faggot
>muh pretending to be retard

KYS

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>>35073188
>Be you
>ask about swords in modren era usage
>forget you will be shot if you even try to use it

if anything use a spear for Godsake, at least it gives you more range and the possibility of throwing it at the guy as he rips you apart with a gun

>>35096362
>shill your own shady buisness reselling worthless historical tri

I don't run any business trading, or selling swords. The only shady business is this endless junk. The only solution is to ban it. Mass marketed shite has to great a hold and millennials are fucking idiots. There are shady businesses talking your repro junk and 'defarbing' it i.e making instruments of fraud. Non e this really matters though. In the end this 'battleready; stuff is in the vast majority mostly complete shit that needs to be banned just on QA alone. So I'll focus on that.

>>35096505
To you some lump from cold steel and something from waterloo are the same thing?

That sums it up and is why this crappy industry which is ultimately based on shit from china should be shut down because you morons will keep feeding its cancer.

>>35089991
>>35090036
Do you have an opinion on the Große Messer? Seems like the grip there is made out of wood and I didn't find any negative review about it on the net. Was my second choice.

>>35098164
Ridiculously overweight, used to snap off at the blade-hilt junction.

>>35098264
Apparently that was fixed a long time ago. I don't care about the weight too much as I won't be fighting with one at a battlefield and at worst I will just need 1-2 swings in case of robbers.

>>35098278
If you just want something big with an edge to swing, get a brush axe, axe, meat cleaver, whatever.

>>35098416
Stop being such an elitist anon. The best thing recommended on here or elsewhere was either Albion, Cold Steel or that Hanwei Tinker (which I didn't like). So that leaves me with no choice but to buy a Cold Steel sword. For some reason, most people against it were all hating Cold Steel in the first place. And the only legitimate criticism I've heard are people having problems with the pommel, which Cold Steel has fixed since then. Other than that, it's a bit heavy but in exchange more durable.

>>35098458
>The best thing recommended on here or elsewhere was either Albion, Cold Steel or that Hanwei Tinker (which I didn't like).

Cold Steel has no place in that list, especially not one of their more ridiculous creations. Unless you plan on using it as a boat anchor the weight is a legitimate concern. You want a sword? If that's the level, get some other Hanwei, a Valiant Arms, Lutel handicraft, Pavel Moc or whatever. You know, people who will sell you something that's approximately a sword, instead of the lie of the preposterously heavy medieval sword made manifest.

>>35098581
I'm not a girl dude, I can handle swinging 200g more. I don't want to fight in sword tournaments.

>>35098595
200g less and it'd still be heavy. That thing has got a good 50% extra blubber slapped onto it. That will change how it handles, and not for the better. If you want something that handles like sword, this isn't it. If you're not looking for something that handles like a sword, why look through a sword thread for what to buy, and why go for something in the end that pretends to be a sword, while being an oversized machete in a drag? Would you get a V6 and run it with only four spark plugs?

>>35098692
Every single sword I've looked up was at least 90% as heavy as the equivalent CS sword.

>>35098703
Then you haven't been looking at a lot of 106 cm swords, or you've been looking at a selection of overweight crap (a lot of CS in the sample?). 90% of the CS grosse messer would be reasonable for a longsword 20-30 cm longer.

CS cheaped out by skipping most distal taper on this one, overbuilt it on top of this so it wouldn't break so often despite otherwise poor engineering (and even that failed a lot early on), and then just slapped on an enormous pommel to pull the centre of mass back. It is not a good sword.

>>35096379
>when it comes to learning historical fencing techniques sword in hand.

How are they proofed for use?

See

>>35098264
>used to snap off at the blade-hilt junction.

Makers name and proof mark or deep stamped with reproduction for display purposes only. You do know guns are proof marked right?

>>35097904
>12:51:27
>>35099108
>15:23:38

So the meds last for about two and a half hour.

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>>35098458

I think this stupid spamming faggot is actually suggesting people buy antique swords, of unknown metallurgical quality, for cutting practice and HEMA...because any other sword is "fake & gay."

This is utterly retarded on at least...(quick count) four different levels. It would be quite easy to prove you negligent if you used an antique weapon for recreation, and someone else was then unintentionally injured...it is prima facie RETARDED. But there he is suggesting it, in black and white.

Next he'll recommend we use vintage, decrepit fencing masks and get stabbed in the face, because though the new 6500N masks offer protection never imagined just 100 years ago, these masks are new so they're "fake and gay."

>>35099580
No, the guy recommending Hanwei, Valiant, Lutel, Pavel Moc or whatever over CS isn't the guy calling everything but antiques fake and gay.

>>35099661
sorry for the "friendly fire" then

You know and furthermore, the notion that the reproduction sword market crowds out the antique sword market is patently ridiculous. Because that's what the "fake & gay" guy appears to be so butthurt about.

There is simply no overlap between a HEMA ethusiast, a neckbeard cosplay larper destroying melons in their backyard, or a middle aged architect bidding on an authentic (fake) 17th century sidesword at Sotheby's. Or even some midwest hick metalhead polishing their pot metal "Demonic Sword of Doom" while rocking out to Dream Theatre.

If anything, interest in repro's or even lowbrow "sword like objects" feeds into the antique sword market.

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>>35099788
>There is simply no overlap between a HEMA ethusiast, a neckbeard cosplay larper destroying melons in their backyard, or a middle aged architect bidding on an authentic (fake) 17th century sidesword at Sotheby's

I'm having a bit of an existential crisis here...

But sure, we aren't going to see the end of the antiques here. They are all OOP anyway, pretty much per definition, so all a bit less or more interest will lead to is changing the price tags. Whether or not they'll go down as sword people we have spread their limited budgets around to other things, or if they'll go up as people drawn in by other aspects also pick up an interest in antiques, well, Mair knows.

>>35099551
>>35099580
>>35099661
>>35099678

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUIw9SZOaIM

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>>35099902


Golding Young & Mawer Auctioneers"

Estimate
£50 - £80


A George V Batson and Sons calvary sword, with part etched blade, leather scabbard and heavy pierced basket style hilt with turned handle and orb pommel, leather attachment, 117cm long. "

6th Sep 17 at 10am BST

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>>35099902
A Wilkinson Military Sword with leather sheath, numbered 94535 (some slight rusting to blade) 1m 1cm long

Estimate

£50 - £80
P.F. Windibank

Sale Date: 09 Sep 2017

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>>35099902
A Royal Artillery Wilkinson Sword with leather sheath and metal sheath, also with outer carrying case, numbered 76802

Estimate

£100 - £150
P.F. Windibank

Sale Date: 09 Sep 2017

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A WWI Officers Cavalry sword, blade stamped (1?)9331, blade length 88 cm, engraving to blade very worn - crown shield and floral engraving visible. Shagreen and wire wound grip. 3/4 basket hilt complete with scabbard.

Estimate
£200 - £250

JP Humbert Auctioneers Ltd – Soon to be Humbert & Ellis Ltd

Auction Date:

21st Sep 17 at 11am BST

>>35099902
You choose. Want a sword? Buy something worth a fuck.

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>>35099678
>>35099661

Fucking faggots.

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>>35100719
Real fucking swords please.

>>35099788
>interest in repro's or even lowbrow "sword like objects" feeds into the antique sword market.

So let it begin. Here endeth the lesson

>>35083244
>The law is not retarded or illogical
WRONG

Laws are written by politicians, politicians are not philosophers or logisticians, they are narcissist busy-bodies who are able to lie and connive their way into office.

Laws are frequently retarded and almost always illogical.

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>>35100733
The pic I posted there, and the similar one well above, shows things I own. So the antique arms market isn't entirely unknown to me. But as I've never seen anything there suitable for HEMA practice, or low level iaido practice, or a bit of backyard fucking about/seeing how hard it is to keep these things from rusting away, or just an affordable longsword in general I have at times bought newly made swords as well. One from China even, but mostly from Hungary.
Using an antique for any of these tasks would be to abuse the antique at best, and potentially lethal at worst, all in all making it a practice I cannot recommend. Meanwhile if you are fond of swords I do recommend getting some properly balanced replicas and swinging them around in such ways, because swords are not meant to be static objects (well, the majority at least, in more recent times we find plenty which would seem to have little purpose but to hang from an officer's belt, and to quote a sword maker of the mid 19th century "If you with these swords could deliver a fatal blow to a piglet, it remains physically impossible to harm an armed man, unless you may stab him in the eyes."). They are meant to be swung and thrust around, with speed and force, against an opponent doing his best to return the favour, and so only handling swords the ways you should handle antiques means you are missing out completely on a fundamental part of what swords are.

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>>35101077
>/seeing how hard it is to keep these things from rusting away


Renaissance Wax is a brand of microcrystalline wax polish that is encountered in antique restoration and museum conservation

worked so well that when new Orleans flooded the swords in the museum basement came out perfect. Don't put it on blue and git tho'

>>35101077
I actually completed cavalry training including delivering point on horseback in my youth. With a real sword. I have no idea why you would pay money for junk. You can buy a vast number of garden tools to wave around if that is your aim. Equally there are perfectly good marked and proofed theatre swords if you must wave them about like a prat. Banning the unmarked dross is the way to go.

>>35101077
I would recommend repeated wrist strengthening exercises if you want to be good with a sword above foil weight. Waving reproduction rubbish is not that. Waving cavalry swords around on foot is aimless.

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>>35100687
>>35100719
>>35100639
>>35100614

Please understand that these swords were ceremonial in nature, and were never intended for real action on a WWI era battlefield. Anyway...

What type of steel? Are you sure? What about the temper, and how do you verify without destroying an antique? Who specifically made these swords? Remember this was wartime production, was there much variation in quality? And what do the maker's online reviews look like? Length, weight, point of balance, resonance nodes? Can we get some actual stress testing on these blades? Do they hold an edge, maybe Skallagrim could do some abusive testing...oh wait, you're not supposed to *do* anything with these, just put them in a case and jerk off.

How about this, an Albion "Squire" line arming sword, Oakeshott Type XII.

Specifications:
Overall length: 37.625" (96 cm)
Blade length: 31.375" (80 cm)
Blade width: 2.0625" (5.24 cm)
CoG: 4.75" (11.43 cm)
CoP: 21" (53.34 cm)
Weight: 2 lbs 8.2 oz (1.14 kilos)

Designer: Peter Johnsson
CAD designed & CNC milled
Price: $473
Collectible status: "fake & gay"
Reliability: top notch

Detailed production notes available online, and facilities probably available for a tour. Blacksmiths available for phone or in person discussion of you so desire. Numerous testing videos available.

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>>35101375
>Please understand that these swords were ceremonial in nature, and were never intended for real action on a WWI era battlefield. Anyway...


Utterly untrue. They were made and proofed as weapons just as bayonets were and used far more often then you realise. The first German killed on the western front was killed by a sabre and so was the last pic related

How about that thing? Overpriced for what it is and of no interest to me.

>>35101409

Yeah well, I guess you'll never know for sure. What are you going to do, sharpen them up and *use* them? You'll be destroying an antique, good sir!

>>35101459
>What are you going to do, sharpen them up and *use* them?

I still have my issue sword. I still ride but am past sporting age. I was quite into fence for a few years in the late 80s and did the usual close combat stuff. Back then they still did bayonet drills where I am to. I don't really see the need or utility in first turning to a sword if you actually needed a weapon. It is somewhat silly in this day and age.

>>35101459
I think I have the manual for sword drill on horse about its a green plastic ringbound thing. It was all about strengthening the wrist until your arm felt like a lead bar.

>>35101459
>Yeah well, I guess you'll never know for sure.

"A full scale advance of nearly the entire British Cavalry Corps took place on 8 August 1918. Several regiments charged that day. The most successful were the 5th Dragoon Guards, capturing a railway train, 2 field guns, 1 howitzer, 2 anti-aircraft guns, 20 officers, 740 other ranks, 50 horses, and 5 transport wagons while charging retreating Germans. The regiment's casualties were 1 officer killed, 1 wounded, 6 other ranks killed, 42 wounded, and 8 missing. They were awarded 1 bar to the DSO, 1 DSO, 5 MCs, 5 DCMs, and 17 MMs for this charge. The 5th DG definitely used their swords during the charge.

The battle at Honnechy on 9 October 1918 was the last large-scale action involving British and Canadian Cavalry.

The 7th Dragoon Guards can probably lay claim to the last small-scale mounted action of World War I, one squadron galloping about 10 miles, capturing a bridge and the villiage of Lessines (as well as 106 Germans) just as the Armistice was taking effect at 11 AM on 11 November 1918.

The image is from a painting still on display at the 5th Dragoon Guards officers' mess


First Germans killed on the western front


Early in the morning on August 22,1914, soldiers of the 4th Royal Irish Dragoon Guards encountered a group of German cavalrymen. Corporal Ernest Thomas fired the British Army’s first shot at the Germans. During the same action, his cavalry officer in charge, Captain Hornby, killed several fleeing Germans and captured five. (By the sword).

All the swords above from WW1 and British service are lethal weapons, were used as such perhaps and are proofed. The notion that they are ceremonial is absurd.

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The sword is made obsolete by the semiautomatic handgun and with out extensive training is quite useless, particularly in confined environments which is why it did not thrive in the period of static trench warfare. However officers did use them and there is a particularly striking account in McBrides a rifleman went to war of a observing a highland regiment go over the top and charge across no mans land in kilts with the officers wielding the WW1 pattern scots broadsword patterm (see pic) A VICTORIAN FIELD OFFICER'S SWORD OF THE ROYAL SCOTS BY WHITAKER & CO, 43 CONDUIT. German imperial cavalry swords were also extensively used and in the eastern Front in WW1 the Russians carried out approximately 400 massed cavalry charges. The Prussian cavalry also carried out many.

A tragic anachronism and extremely evocative and lethal objects but far from just ceremonial in design. They were the product of 100 years of incremental improvements to enhance lethality from the first introduction of regulation pattern in 1786 to the 1912 cavalry sabre. In the 19th century they were used even more extensively . The albion object is far closer to a ceremonial object than any of these swords are. Although quite what ceremony I am not sure.

There were even more charges and use of the sword in the WW1 middle east campaign etc.

Anyway I don't see why if I could by a Wilkinson WW1 sword in basically mint condition of far superior quality to the albion thing in materials such as the grip for 100 dollars why anyone would buy the albion thing for 400. ~If you believe that 'albion; are better makers than Wilkinson you are deceiving yourself. Perhaps you don't want to own a sword that was used in combat?

>>35098164
I honestly just wouldn't trust anything Cold Steel makes that's over 2 feet in length. Their knives are fine and I haven't had any issues with the Italian companion dagger yet. But myself as well as countless other Cold Steel owners online will tell you the same thing. Don't buy from this company. I know it sucks to hear that, seeing as there aren't many other manufacturers making Grosse Messers. But trust me, for the price CS is asking for their shit ($350+) you can get a much nicer quality blade from some other company.

Here's a website I used to use when I was first starting out. Might be helpful for you.
http://www.sword-buyers-guide.com/

As an aside the gangster Ronnie cray was particularly fond of using a british cavalry sword in gang fights and had a large collection. They were of course utter scum. One incident is depicted below in film. These swords are NOT ceremonial weapons but entirely functional. No doubt the people they cut up did not notice they were antiques for what it matters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhNzfMKty-o