Revolver General

Great thread. 1776/10.

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>>34137575
GP100 and LCR owner here
Love, love, love the 460XVR
I HAVE GOT TO GET ME ONE OF THOSE!!!

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>>34137680

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My S&W hand ejector 3rd model in .32 S&W

Or you could just dump every picture on the internet...

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>>34137575

>>34137966
still waiting on my semi-auto 454 casull handgun

Idk why but the Ruger hammers have always looked weird to me. Doesn't stop me from wanting a GP100 though

>>34138045
S&W fanboys go on and on about their hammer over the Ruger
I own both brands. Neither ever breaks.
Fanboys BTFO

>>34138075
Never thought that there was anything wrong with it, just that it looked "different."

Honestly, I'd be perfectly happy with either a gp100 or a 686. I'm not bothered by Rugers hammer or the lock on S&W. But I'm a poorfag in the capital of commiefornia, so I'm just happy to have my RIA m206

>>34138045
I think Ruger is well on the way to being the default wheelgat in America over S&W.

U want a small CCW? LCR. You want general purpose/babby's first revolver? GP-100. You want to kill a fucking moose? Redhawk/Super Redhawk. You want to be a cowboy? Vaquero. You want to be a cowboy but shoot hot loads? Blackhawk/Super Blackhawk.

The only revolver need that Ruger doesn't meet is ZOMG Tactical fucking rail all the things! And that's for fags anyway.

>>34137597

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5w8tqjoqF4

>>34138155
>I'm not bothered by the lock on S&W

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

>>34138213
Would I prefer one without it? Absolutely.
Is it a deal breaker if it has the lock? Not at all

>>34137966
I'd probably like guns with caliber conversion kits more if the kits didn't tend to cost nearly as much as a whole gun.

>>34140183
You know the market would go nuts for a revolver that was convertible from .22lr to any centerfire caliber if it could be done at a reasonable cost so I have to assume it's impossible to do so or someone would have done it.

Anybody shim their GP100? I'm gonna get one next month and I usually just polish internals and maybe install reduced power springs on my wheelgats but I'm wondering is shimming would save me having to polish and yet have the same effect of reducing friction? Or would I have to polish anyway whether I shimmed or not?

http://www.triggershims.com/ruger_double_action.html

>>34140455
sounds like Accuwedge-tier gimmicky snakeoil bullshit

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>>34137575
I'm never going to stop posting the same shitty picture of this great revolver.

>>34140531
Shims are not a gimmick they are a time tested customization especially in competition wheelgats. Ruger shims the hammer in their GP100 match champion. My question is is the effect they provide equivalent to the effect gained from polishing the contact surfaces I would be shimming thus saving me some time/work for like $9 in shims?

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Not to detract from the riveting usual S&W and Ruger debate, but I just picked up this little beauty a couple of days ago for about $300. It's an EAA Windicator chambered in .38/.357 magnum with a 2.75 inch barrel. Surprising quality for something so cheap. It's made in Germany, great little finish, and has a lifetime warranty. Went to shoot it and it took magnum rounds very well(probably because it's all steel and heavy). Seriously, if you want something cheap, but durable and reliable. Something you don't have to worry about beating up or getting scratched. Try out one of these babies, not bad at all...

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>>34137575
im really interested in a 629 deluxe

this will be my first wheelgat even though i have fired 357, 38 and 45 colt before with no problems

is this a good revolver? i just really like the aesthetic of it

>>34140729
I would have bought this instead of my m206 if it weren't for the god damn handgun roster. I hate California

>>34140729
Why not get the 4"bbl version? I will never understand people who buy medium-large frame magnums with short ass barrels.

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>>34140550
I'll back you up bby

>>34138242
Let it lock on you randomly once at the range. Then report.

FYI: report=sucks. It does happen.

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>>34140747
The laser engraving on the side of the barrel looks like shit.
Rollmarks or bust.

>>34140822
Please cite even one anecdote of a steel-frame gun experiencing an unintended lock activation.

>>34140824
I dont care about that really and I like the lines of the full...lug? Just wondering if theyre quality, well built and any other general experiences with them.

Also if they are good if I load some hot .44 mag

>>34140860
They're as fine as any other modern S&W revolver.
They won't be as good for the hottest of hot magnum loads as a Ruger would be, but for the vast majority of shooters the difference is academic.

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>>34140759
Yup, one of the best budget revolvers out there. I heard those ria revolvers have freezing problems. Any merit to that?
>>34140783
Concealment mostly, I didn't want to spend $600 on a snub so I bought this one to fill my snub nose needs. If I want a 4 inch I'd go for a GP100.
>>34140849
Here you go, video proof followed by an explanation. It happens more than you think buddy.-
https://youtu.be/TsIWXd_9xPE

>>34140913
Many thanks.

I plan on getting that baby a mirror shine polish and make her look good.

>>34140934
I'll let you know when I finally get to shoot the damn thing. Had it for almost a month but haven't been able to get to a range or the hills. I'm gonna take it with me when I go to Texas on Wednesday, so I should be able to shoot it and know for sure soon. At least its got that lifetime warranty if there are any problems.

>>34140806
Did you get yours through Classic as well?

>>34141079
Yep the batch about 2 years ago

>>34137575
Okay.
Stupid questions with anon time.

I fucking love revolvers after having bought a Webley Mk VI a while back.
But.
I want a .357 magnum revolver.
The ones on the market bore me in terms of looks except for the Rhino, but I feels like it just seems...flimsy.

I have a mill.
I have a lathe.
I have experience in building parts kits and want to make the jump to the real thing.

So.
Why do most revolvers just have circular cylinders nowadays?
Why haven't hexagonal ones caught on?
How do I determine chamber wall thickness for a .357 magnum revolver?
And what are the formulas I'd need to make a the hand the proper length to time things right?

I'm pretty much just gonna be pulling the elements I like from a bunch of different revolvers and adding some of my own shit to the mix once I get a functioning revolver done.
Nothing too freaky.
I won't Ben making my own barrel.

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GP100's daddy reporting in.

>>34137671
I would love to sbr that and put a nice laminate butt stock on the back.

>>34142665
Alfa projekt revolver carbine, right?

>>34142311
Very nice, I got mine through them last May.

>>34142681
Yup, I want one but I live in a crappy no sbrs allowed state.

>>34142597
>those goodyear grips

They might make the gun easier to shoot with magnums, but they sure are ugly.

I want an 8 shot 357 and there isnt a lot of options. The taurus 608 appears to have quality control issues, does anyone have experience with one? What other high capacity assault baby killing revolvers are even available besides ruger redhawk, the s&w m&p r8/trr8 and performance center revolvers? What other high end revolvers would you consider the best to operate with? chiappa rhino?

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>>34143248
I like my TRR8, but I regret buying it at the 1.1k price point (after tax and ffl).
$900 or less is more reasonable.
ps scandium frames suck, you will need loctite blue

>>34143388
wha? I had fallen for the scandium meme. Loctite for what part?

>>34143437
The barrel nut near the muzzle, and possibly the barrel threading where it screws into the frame

Due to different cooling rates between the steel barrel+shroud and the scandi frame, the barrel will slowly come loose as you shoot. You can loctite the barrel nut to stop the creeping looseness. However, when you tighten the barrel nut, it pulls the barrel out the frame, which increases the cylinder gap because the barrel nut tightens counterclockwise and the barrel tightens clockwise. So you'll need to immobilize the barrel, then loctite and tighten the barrel nut.

Or you can send it to S&W for a month every time it comes loose and have them mechanically tighten it, but it'll probably come loose again. If you encounter this problem, Dan Wesson .357 barrel nut wrenchs also work for the R8/TRR8.

>>34143466
>>34143437
Aside from the barrel problem, you may also get light primer strikes shooting DA. Give the mainspring some extra tightening if this happens. If it's already at max tightness, add a small shim between the mainspring screw and the mainspring, I cut a piece off a .22 casing for this. Alternatively you could try a longer firing pin, which are only like $20.

>>34143248
You want a Smith and Wesson 627. A basic one is nice and also isn't that expensive. As >>34143388 said, the difference in materials between the frame and barrel shroud on the Scandium models like the R8 causes the shroud to come lose every 1k shots or so, so just stick to a normal stainless gun.

>>34142584
Answer: What is a BSME?

>>34137648
I came here to post this, saw this, and came.

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Good I don't need to start a shitty blog thread.

I rented a GP100 and 50 rounds of .357 at my range today. It was my first time firing a revolver. I didn't like it nearly as much as I thought i would.

The recoil itself wasn't that bad. It's a heavy gun so it didn't jump too much or beat my hand up, but there are a couple of things I had trouble getting used to

-the fact that there is no feedback as to when you run out other than a dry fire. I found myself wondering "did I fire all 6 shots or do I have a bad primer and have to hold my gun out for 30 seconds", it freaked me out so much that I ended up just loading 5 into the chamber each time.

-That fucking trigger. Don't get me wrong I don't mind a heavy trigger. My first gun was a Browning Hi Power and I installed an NY1 spring on my Glock for that very reason, but it's slippery as fuck. I'm not used to having my finger end up in a different place at the end of the pull than it was when I started. It really led to a lot of recoil anticipation and flinching too. I couldn't hit shit with the thing. I'm sure training would solve this though.

-I just couldn't get a comfortable grip on it. People say revolvers are more ergonomic, I don't know if I agree.

The good thing was after 50 rounds of .357 my Glock felt like a toy and I shot some of the tightest groupings I ever have. I might buy one of these things some time down the line for novelty purposes so I can have something to blast a few rounds off at my range trip to remind me just how weak 9mm is in comparison, but for practical purposes I think I'll just stick to semi-autos.

I'm sure if I trained with a revolver I could shoot great with them though. I did get a solid bullzeye with a single action shot.

>>34147238
>the fact that there is no feedback as to when you run out other than a dry fire.
Learn how to fucking count like all spinny fun users do
>That fucking trigger.
It's literally one of the best factory triggers in existence
>flinching
yupp, dumb fuck user problem, nothing wrong with the gun
>I just couldn't get a comfortable grip on it
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>34137671

>>34147334
sweeeeeet

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>>34147304
yeah I know it's not a problem with the gun. I just need to get used to some things. That being said I don't think it will be high on my buy list because honestly I'd rather stick to guns that I'm used to, give me more bullets, and lock back when empty for self defense purposes. Once I have a good pocket carry gun, night-stand gun, and maybe a shotgun then I can start buying stuff for the "hell, it looks fun to shoot" factor, but for now I have other priorities.

>It's literally one of the best factory triggers in existence

I assume you've never fingerfucked a Walther P99 before. Or any decent 1911 for that matter.


>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
To be fair the newer GP100s have comfy looking rubber grips. the one i rented had hard plastic ones. In fact the gun I rented looked exactly like this.

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Any modern revolver that doesn't use moon clips is useless.

>>34147423
>I assume you've never fingerfucked a Walther P99 before. Or any decent 1911 for that matter.
You assume very wrong.
Own 2 Walthers, 5 1911's
>hard plastic
Never rent from there again

>>34147447
>Any modern revolver that doesn't use moon clips is useless.
stupid bait
0.1/10 for effort

>>34147448
>Never rent from there again

This is the grip that was on the gun
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/616076/pachmayr-gripper-professional-grips-s-and-w-k-l-frame-square-butt-rubber-black

It seems like they are pretty popular but It felt like shit if you ask me.

>Own 2 Walthers, 5 1911's

And you think the GP100 double action trigger is better than any of them? are you high?

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>$425 OTD for a used blued 4" GP100 with wood grips
This is a good deal, right?
I own a 6" highway patrolman, so I'd like a smaller frame revolver as my next one. I'm between this, saving up for an older 4" MR73, or getting a snub nose .38 of some sort.

>>34147447
You only need to use moon clips if you're using rimless cartridges like 9mm

Which you shouldn't be using in a revolver anyway due to crimp jumping

>>34142890
wew

>>34143741
pretty much

>>34147091

I bet you have a matching fedora for each one of those.

>>34148795
That's a breddy good deal anon.

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>>34149044
No, but I have a sling to contain my erection when I leave the house so as to avoid prison for lewd and lascivious conduct.

>>34149687
what brand of moonclips does the ruger take ?

normal S&W 625 ones ?

>>34149715
Ruger specific ones. I think I remember Hickock45 saying the deal is the Ruger ones will work in other guns but other ones won't work in the Ruger.

http://shopruger.com/Redhawk-45-Auto-_-45-Colt-Moon-Clips-3-Pack/productinfo/90483/

>>34149749
>those comments

Any advice for cleaning wheelguns so they don't "jam" when rotating?

>>34149803
Uhm..just clean it? I've been shooting wheelgats for over 30yrs and I've never had one jam. Maybe you are neglecting the pin the cylinder rotates on? It can get fucking dirty in there and you have to take it apart and clean/lube it every so often.

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>>34149991

>>34147238
>do I have a bad primer and have to hold my gun out for 30 seconds
You don't.
Hang fires, for all practical purposes, aren't a thing that happens.
Any ammo shitty enough that you legitimately need to worry about that sort of thing belongs in the garbage.

>>34149760
Uhh

>>34147447
>S&W 929
Are those still having horrible extraction issues?

>>34149803
Make sure you are cleaning the forcing cone and both sides of the cylinder.

ive been theorizing about revolvers lately. Are there actually any bad modern revolvers out there? my idea is that revolver designs are simple enough to be almost hard for companies to make bad revolvers. Cheapest revolvers out there are from EAA, Rossi, alfa proj, and taurus and they arnt all that worse than mid tier stuff from s&w and ruger and even with top tier stuff like manurhin and dan wesson. any differences seem minimal or inconsequential at best. some of the cheaper brands seem to have failures more often but that could be said to because they are so much more common and thus tested more throughly by what ever double loading fudds are out there. also any failures in any revolvers seem to be rare anyways.

I've also heard that the praised durability of manurhins are because they are tested with 30% overpressure but ive just learned that s&w and ruger both do that anyways. so what so good about them? rarity?

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I'm eyeing a GP100 for "general use" (Funs/Self defense/SHTF) and thinking I want the 4.2" barrel.

Is there some reason to get a different length barrel that I might be missing? Does it underperform in some way at that length?

>>34138172
>You want to be a cowboy but shoot hot loads? Blackhawk/Super Blackhawk.
Wrong, you get a old vaquero. I like blackhawks but they are not cowboy enough for me.

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>>34150228
You are correct that revolvers are simple machines but, unlike autos, they have lots of parts that have to work within strict tolerance for the revolver to be properly timed. This is where QC comes in to the picture and a lot of companies skimp on this to make their guns more affordable/profitable. ANY revolver needs to be inspected at time of purchase because any mfg can ship a dud.

>>34150293
4.2" is best compromise between handling and performance imo.

>>34140649
From what I know they just make your trigger pulls more consistent. As in they eliminate side to side movement. So instead of a 4-6 pound single action pull. it would always be 4 pounds. I keep wanting to do it but I'm too cheap, so I just polished my trigger and stuff. Also be careful with hammer springs. I went too low and my cci primer hand loads had a lot of bad primer hits. So it would be a good idea to get a pack of hammer springs to test for reliability on what ever your shooting.

>>34150228
>Are there actually any bad modern revolvers out there? my idea is that revolver designs are simple enough to be almost hard for companies to make bad revolvers.
Double action revolvers generally aren't that simple mechanically speaking, when people say "simple" in reference to wheelguns they're really talking about their manual of arms. And I'd say the build quality of most of the affordable/common makes of revolver out there aside from Ruger and S&W are ranges from pretty mediocre to absolute shit - Ruger being the more affordable and mechanically robust of the two.
>I've also heard that the praised durability of manurhins are because they are tested with 30% overpressure but ive just learned that s&w and ruger both do that anyways. so what so good about them? rarity?
The durability of the French and German revolvers is due almost entirely to the quality of their steel, the Manurhin MR73 basically being a modified K-framish S&W that's durability matches or possibly even exceeds the full size Rugers.

>>34150228
If by "modern" you mean "designed post WW2", Röhm guns are pretty legendarily awful.
Charter Arms guns are dodgy as fuck, as well.

>the praised durability of manurhins are because they are tested with 30% overpressure
They're explicitly designed to fire 1000s of .357s a day indefinitely without any degradation in funciton or accuracy, and they're held to a 1" at 50 meters accuracy standard.
Overpressure testing is not part of the appeal; all guns are so tested, which is why they're called "proof loads".

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>>34150228
Revolvers are most useful because they can operate with widely varied loadings for a given caliber. A semi auto requires its ammunition to fall within a specific pressure envelope to function properly. A .357 allows you to shoot everything from weak ass rat shot to light .38spl up to full power magnum loads with no modification to the gun allowing for a wide range of practical applications in a single firearm.

Also the heaviest handgun rounds(excluding single shot guns) are typically only found in revolvers.

Plus they are just cool as fuck with an aesthetic autos can't touch.

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Joined revolverfagdom today

>>34150360
Wolff sells a pack with various weights for like $10 so if i have any issues I can go to the next heaviest spring.

Ruger's revolvers strike me as pretty simple.

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>>34150387
>Plus they are just cool as fuck with an aesthetic autos can't touch.
It's true.

>>34150409
>Ruger's revolvers strike me as pretty simple.
They're basically the Glock of the revolver world, designed from the ground up with durability and ease of manufacture/maintenance in mind.

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>>34150363
>Double action revolvers generally aren't that simple mechanically speaking, when people say "simple" in reference to wheelguns they're really talking about their manual of arms.
i've heard this alot but ive been starting to doubt it. what all mechanically is anymore complex in a da/sa revolver and a da/sa semiauto? looking at pic related makes their trigger assembly look remarkably similar in complexity.

>>34150452
The complexity comes from the specific geometry required for the revolver to be properly timed.

>>34137597
>>34137790
>>34137812
>>34138394
>>34138405
It's a nice gun, I'll give you that. But the engravings give you no tactical advantage whatsoever, unless you were planning to auction it off as a collectors item.

>>34150405
Thats what I meant. I got the same pack so it was no biggie. Really double actions are silly to change springs out for. If you do the trigger return spring. Then your trigger takes longer to move forward, making shooting it in a hurry slower. And at the very least in a gp you can short stroke the trigger and have to go forward again. If you do the hammer spring you can run into primer strike issues. I think it might just be better to shim and polish. Then master it as is. After that pretty much any trigger will be a joke. Well except the Nagent revolver.

>>34150490
I think that last one could easily be used to distract a guard, and an enemy might have qualms about picking it up and using it against you what with the veiny dickgrips and all

>>34150452
The part where the trigger is, in addition to the hammer, also responsible for rotating the cylinder.
A DA revolver is analogous to a magazine-fed gun that somehow used the trigger pull to retract the slide, cock the hammer, and chamber the next round rather than using the energy of the previous shot to do most of that.

>>34150228
a revolver is basically a mechanical clock. getting it's timing and lockup right is many times more difficult than making a tilting barrel pistol - which is why everybody and their uncle does it today. the idea that revolvers are mechanically simpler than pistols betrays the gun illiterate.

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>>34137575

Glad there is a general so I don't have to make my own thread. GP100 aside, is there a good alternative that approximates the S&W 649 bodyguard? It meets everything I'm looking for in a carry piece except for that damn stupid lock. I like the shrouded hammer you can still cock and aftermarket clip you can attach to the frame. Finding pre lock versions, especially in .357 is virtually impossible. Is there anything out there like a j-frame in 357 that is not a smith?

>>34143477
>>34143466
So this is the power of...Smith and Wesson.

>>34137714
Why couldn't it have been in 44 magnum? S&W did theirs in 44 magnum. I would have bought one the first time I saw one!

>>34150590
Ruger LCRx .357?

>>34147238
>The recoil itself wasn't that bad
You probably weren't shooting actual full power loads. Most commercial ammo is pretty anemic. But even with full power loads recoil is pretty manageable.

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>>34150398
And with the smaller grip

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al of you cucks with barrel liner inserts need to use your shitt guns to kys. what a disgrace. Your "guns" are basically UMAREX tier.

>>34137795
If those are all yours, I hate you.

>>34137848
Hey my grandmother has one like that. What model is it?

>>34150293
You can get fuller power out of the six inch. The extra 1.8 inches don't really make it any heavier or unwieldy. Plus you get a longer sight radius making accurate shots easier.

>>34150602
That is a custom conversion of what was originally a .357. The current production Ruger .44spl is a 3"bbl. I'm guessing the frame as-is was in spec for spl but not mag. Also handloaders love them some .44spl and Ruger's gun is stout as fuck with cylinder walls as thick as a model 29 so you can load it hot as fuck just like Elmer Keith.

>>34150693
>The extra 1.8 inches don't really make it any heavier or unwieldy.
Bullshit. There's no fucking way that five ounces of steel all added to the end of the barrel doesn't throw off the balance of the gun.

>>34150293
Shorter is better, especially with a full-underlug gun like a GP100.
I would get the 3", but the 4.2" is fine, too, if you feel the need to compromise.
With today's short barrel-oriented .357 loads, for shooting at people you really don't get that much benefit from more than 4" of barrel.

>>34150576
Despite all that, it seems to be a lot harder to fuck up a revolver than a semi-auto

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>>34150775
3" loses too much energy. .357 in anything shorter than 4" is a total waste.

>>34150733
>just like Elmer Keith
I've been reading some Skeeter Skelton lately. And holy hell does he talk about loading .44 special hot. I can't remember the exact numbers but definably higher then what I see in reload manuals of today.

>>34150797
With today's short barrel-oriented .357 loads, for shooting at people you really don't get that much benefit from more than 4" of barrel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4axGhtdblmI

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>>34150826
Witness the remains of the cylinder that directly led to the development of the .44mag.

>>34150829
I'm not saying you can't kill someone with a 3"bbl .357. Fuck you can kill someone with a .38spl. I am just of the opinion that the 4"bbl .357 is the best compromise between power level and handy-ness for a general purpose revolver.

>>34150775
Why would you purposely gimp your magnum power with a short barrel? Don't get me wrong despite the memes 357 is always better in power then 38 special in short barrels. In what situation will having slightly slower transitional speed be detrimental? especially at close range. Why would you not want around 1700 fts 125 gn bullets. Your short barrels might not make it to 1400 fts. Could you not account for any perceived disadvantage with more training? Even more so the heavier barrel would help soak up recoil making follow up shots easier. The muzzle blast would even be easier to manage with a long barrel.

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>>34137680
>MATCH CHAMPION (tm)

>>34150869
I believe thats from his colt saa that he decided to load up with .458 bullets with a shit load of powder. Its funny to think that such a newbie mistake could be so important.

>>34150591
More like a shitty choice of materials for one model in an effort to save weight.

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>>34150948
Those old guys were all out of fucks to give.

>>34150927
How does .357 out of a two inch barrel compare to .38 +p from a three inch?

>>34138172
They don't make any revolvers for people with aesthetic taste though.

>>34150927
>Why would you purposely gimp your magnum power with a short barrel?
Weight.
A 3" GP100 weighs over half a pound less than its 6" stablemate, and is every bit as good for shooting people.
If shooting animals is a concern, it'd be better to go with a .44 than with a .357 of any barrel length.

>>34138172
I bought LCR as my snub, since I liked it better than the S&W 642.

Grip held more of my fingers, and DA trigger pull felt better; you do have to let the trigger reset all the way though.

>>34147238
>can't count to six
>shots ammo shitty enough where he legitimately has to worry about squibs and bad primers
>muh glawk
are you a nigger per chance?

>>34150971
>old guys
Not to be a smart ass but he was in his early 20's. He actually sent a letter to whatever gun company to ask what could have gone wrong (lol). He was then told that 44 special had a higher pressure threshold then 45 colt.

Fun fact about him. He was in a hotel fire at a young age and it left is chin fused to his chest. and his left hand fused together. The doctors were convinced he would be able to use his left hand effectively at all. So as a child he ripped his chin off his chest. Then separated and had his dad break and realign his fingers repeatedly on a board. So he could use it again. Turns out it worked. One hardy guy.

>>34151051
I guess you have your opinion and I have mine no big deal. I just don't think you get enough out of a short barrel to warrant a revolver. Rather then a auto that is.

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>>34151092
>Not to be a smart ass


Too late! lol I meant old not like chronological age at the time of the incident but old like "old breed". Men of a different age kind of thing.

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>>34150590
Kimber K6s might be what your looking for.

Linking a couple of classic revolver books for youngfags.

https://www.amazon.com/Sixguns-1961-Elmer-Keith/dp/1626545715/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1496540778&sr=1-1

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>>34150398

Welcome aboard brother

>>34140822

Dude there's a video on YouTube of how to remove the lock, it's very easy.

I understand the hate for the lock on principle, but anyone that would let it stop them from buying a S&W is an idiot

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>>34151508
>understands having principles
>doesn't understand acting on those principles

If I don't agree with the ideas behind those locks why the fuck would I support them by spending my money on them? There is no role a revolver can fill that can't be met by another revolver with no lock.

>>34151547

Yeah but a S&W is gonna be better revolver than the competition (generally), if all it takes is removing a lock and giving the finger to the people who decided it should go there to get a better product why would you settle for less?

Plus S&W is phasing them out, right now you can get J-frames without them

Based on your logic nobody should ever buy any Ruger product based on what the company decided 30 years ago

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>>34151597

Giving the finger to someone after you pay their bills is not taking a stand you fucking retard.

And I don't drink the kool-aid that S&W is superior to every other revolver made. Outside of their custom shop guns and their exotic materials models they use the same materials and mfg techniques as Taurus(who this board relentlessly shits on) just with better QC. I am an oldfag and modern S&W doesn't have shit on old school S&W as far as quality. Modern materials are no doubt superior but fit and finish is fucking shit these days unless you pay top dollar for their premium lines.

IMO Ruger is extremely competent in the wheelgun game. They have a product for every niche of the market and have a well-earned reputation for utilitarian strength.

>>34151597
The 640 has been available sans lock for nearly a decade and to my knowledge remains the only current-production S&W made in such a configuration.

>>34151597
>Yeah but a S&W is gonna be better revolver than the competition (generally), if all it takes is removing a lock and giving the finger to the people who decided it should go there to get a better product why would you settle for less?
Depends on what you want in a revolver. S&W's usually look nicer, and a stock 686 might have a slightly better trigger out of the box than a stock GP100 - though that was more true in the past than now I think. Aside from that the Rugers are a better design and far more durable. They're also easier to take apart and work on.

>Based on your logic nobody should ever buy any Ruger product based on what the company decided 30 years ago
Once Bill Ruger died years back Ruger stopped sucking politically, while nearly all S&W revolvers still have that dumb lock.

>>34151597
>Based on your logic nobody should ever buy any Ruger product based on what the company decided 30 years ago

Fail comparison is fail.

Bill Ruger is dead and the company has done a full 180. S&W is still selling cucked guns.

>>34150490
you're forgetting one very important thing...

>>34151709

But they're un-cucking them slowly

And still, you can remove the lock so easily

>>34151728
>Get raped
>B-but you can fart out the cum so easily!

>>34151728
When is the last time they released a new model without the lock? How many total revolvers do they produce without a lock? Go on I'll wait.

And for the last time it's not about how easy it is to remove the lock it's about I'm not paying S&W a fucking dime until they give up the whole ideology behind the locks and remove them completely from their entire line for the rest of time.

>>34150490
Hello Snake

>>34151756

A bunch of new J-frames are available without them. And as far as all-new models, I don't know, I'm not sure what the newest S&W model is

You win the argument on ideology, but I still think S&W revolvers are better than Ruger (close second) or Taurus, and since Colt no longer makes them, I think they're the nicest revolvers in the market. Maybe because I'm a mechanic and removing the locks don't intimidate me, I'd prefer to buy them

I still think the Hillary-hole thing is overblown

>>34151787

>I only have principles until I want something REALLY BAD

May your chains rest lightly on you and may history forget you were ever our kin.

>>34151806

There's a pretty big difference to voluntarily buying a product and then disabling a safety feature, and submitting to full on opression. It's not like I moved to California then said "it's okay guys, there's lots of guns on the roster!"

I think you're blurring the line between the free market and politics a little too much. By the way, if you have a smartphone, you're literally a walking product

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>>34151870
You are materially supporting a product with features gun grabbers would mandate if they could and make even worse(hello remotely disabled smart gun) if at all possible. Gun owners have lost too much ground over the years to willingly give a single fucking inch more without a vigorous fight. S&W rolls the fuck over every time they turn out another gun with a lock.


Pic related.

Any opinions on the SR38s popping up again? I know they are turkroach but, they seem decently priced compared to other 'budget' revolvers as well as the company that makes them making decent autos.

>>34137817
>$5000 price tag
Yeah... no

>>34151973

I've seen the pic before but laws passed are a lot different than one company's policy

Tell you what, you win. Sleep tight with your victory

I'm planning on my next revolver being a 7 or 8-shot S&W .357. Still bouncing between models. When I remove the lock I'll think of you.

>>34151973
Ethical consumerism is impossible under capitalism.
You might as well try to move to a country that never had slaves or tried to genocide anybody.

>>34152003
Justify your choice however you want and enjoy your cucked gun.

>>34152070

>cuck

:^)

>>34151984
I think I'd rather go with the EAA Windicator. More well known factory and long-time importer with good customer service in case of a problem.

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>>34152003
>When I remove the lock

Excuse me, white male, but care to explain to the court today why you removed a safety feature from a firearm?

Are you presuming to know more about the gun than the people that made it?

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>>34152203
>using a revolver for self-defense against people
protip: a glock with the NY2 trigger spring and a 25¢ trigger job has all the practical benefits of a plastic service auto without necessitating a departure from your smooth 12# DA comfot zone

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>>34152203

>white male
>not LEO
>in court for a home defense shooting
>in Texas
> who's firearm was so closely scrutinized it was discovered the lock was removed

O I am laffin

>>34137620
How can I get this in the United States??

>>34152013
You're on the wrong board for this fight comrade.

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Muh '64 Colt. Love it.

>>34152271
A Glock is nothing like a revolver regardless of how heavy you make the trigger

>>34152607
SA on these is like buttered glass

>>34152203
It violated my religious beliefs.

>>34140729

Curious about grabbing one of these for shits and giggles.

>>34140729
>>34140759
>>34140934
>Seriously, if you want something cheap, but durable and reliable.
>durable
>reliable
I don't think there's enough data out there to make assertions like this, especially coming from someone who has admittedly only owned one for a couple of days. Budget revolvers are pretty much always a disappointment, chiefly due to shoddy metallurgy but also other issues. One exception MAY be the Sarsilmaz wheelguns, if they're even being imported and you have no scruples about buying shit made in Turkey. I say that only because the quality of some of their stuff and the pistols/shotguns from other Turkish brands in recent years is reportedly quite good for the money...but again, who really knows.

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>>34137817
Looks nice but the price is shit

>>34143741
So...what IS a BSME?

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>>34137817
>>34151986
>>34153295
Looks like shit but the price is probably perfectly fair for what you get - quality costs. Pic related is the model I'd get if I were a wealthier man.

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>>34153327
it's what qualifies Bill Nye to lecture you about global warming and sex junk

>>34153370
Wait.
Does it have something to do with basic scientific measurement standards and shit?

The term sounds...familiar.
And not from shitloads of porn either.

>>34153421
A hint for the retard: BS can also double for bullshit, depending on what follows it

Selling my house soon so I'm going to have a bit of disposable cash, how exactly do you go about buying a korth? Not the weird tactifag ones, but the classy german ones?

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>>34153438
>selling your house for a gun
I sure hope you're planning on using that gun to acquire a new house, or else you're really screwing yourself

>>34153430
Man, I just got off my shift.
I asked that question last fucking night.

Give me a straight answer explained with only basic arithmetic/algebra and third grade level words.

Or just tell me the only answer I got was "bullshit" and let me go to bed.

>>34153438
This >>34153334 looks pretty classy to me anon, all it'd need is a change of grips...

>>34153451
BACHELORS
SCIENCE
MECHANICAL
ENGINEERING
your google-fu is weak anon, come back after you lurk moar

>>34153462
Thank you anon.
I have stopped looking up anything I don't know about here ever since some prick decided that an organization for legalizing pedos was something to jokingly insert into a sentence.

I don't want that shit popping up on some FBI screen somewhere; I may be monitored but I want to be monitored for shit that's at least (my my morals) acceptable.

>>34153498
wow you're a faggot

>>34153440

No nigger, I bought my house when the market was in the dumps and I bought in a great area that has had its values skyrocket. Im moving out of the city into a rural area with land, and I'm downsizing my house considerably. So Im going to treat myself.

>>34153053
posted for single action advice, just got a bunch of autism. anyone here dealt with this problem themselves before?

>>34153498
dude this is America and you're on 4chan's gun board
you're alreaday on five watchlists and the NSA has wiretapped your dog's butthole

>>34153542
You shouldn't have linked the thread, now everyone posting in here will know how retarded you are

>>34137671
>That gigantic barrel with a muzzle brake

If 18th century style duels were allowed, this would be my pick.

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>>34153606
>implying

>>34153614

Have one of those, love it. Even though its quite punishing to run full power loads through.

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>>34153634
have one of these on layaway, bisley too. Grip shape is supposed to help deal with recoil alot more than plowhandles

>>34153639

I have a super black hawk that is a pleasure to shoot, those birdshead grips aint bad, but the checkered wood grips makes it a pain. As I shoot it more though, its wearing them down so it will be ok.

>>34147423
Try a ruger LCR in 9mm for a backup gun. They're pretty cheap, and it's easier on logistics.

>>34137795
>>34150630
Not sure if it's the owner, but I know for certain there's a nigga on here with an entire Mateba collection

>>34147304
>learn how to fucking count
It blows my mind that people can't count to the degree that reality proves. I've had instructors drill into me that "you will not remember how many rounds you shoot, nobody does, not even police"

I'm pretty sure it's just because double stack automatics make it a thing you don't even think about; I can't imagine not counting the FIVE ROUNDS I HAVE for an engagement. How retarded could you be? How retarded is the average dude? Jesus christ.

>>34150398
Great choice

>>34150398

.38?

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Hey, so I'm buying either a GP100 22lr or a S&W 617. I don't care about the hillary hole, so that's not a factor. This is a range toy. Anyone have any experience or input on new Ruger vs new S&W's? Or with either of those models in particular?

>>34157277
Both are quality pieces anon pick whichever you like best. You should also look at the 4" SP101 in .22lr. It's not quite so fuckhuge as the two you listed.

>>34157277
I bought the 617 yesterday.
Since I live in Canuckistan I won't get to play with it for at least a week :(

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Should I get the 30-30 or 45-70 model

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>buy GP100
>want another revolver
>buy LCR
>now want ANOTHER revolver

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>>34158857
thumb nail

>>34158857
45-70

When you think about it, 30-30 and 7.62x39 have nearly mirrored ballistics, so you might as well buy an AK pistol for cheaper.

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>>34158872
You went medium to small now you need large.

DOO EET

>>34157277
I have a 4" 617; it's good.
It balances well in the hand and the trigger is nice.
The rubber grips that it comes with are garbage and need to be replaced with wood.
The sights are black-on-black click-adjustable Patridge type; you may want to put some orange paint on the front blade.
The stock cylinder release latch is a bit slippery, but you can get a sharper aftermarket one for a reasonable price.

>>34148795
Get a snub after cause that's good. Then keep an eye on LCRs. I got one for 300 a month ago.

>>34150576
except im not talking about complexity compared to semi autos. Im talking durability between revolvers. Its easier to find shitty semi autos than revolvers. the spectrum of brands and their quality in revolvers is much smaller than revolvers. even the worst revolvers function basically similar to the best revolvers.

but even with that said and what you said, if revolvers so much more complex and QC intensive why do semi autos seem to malfunction so much more.

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Was thinking of getting an LCR in 9mm, but I've been told by various people that a revolver in a semi-auto cartridge isn't the greatest idea.

Should I go for .38 Special instead?

>>34159924
38sp +p has some great modern loads. I had an LCR in it and loved it, regret selling it. Highly recommend.

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>>34148825
>You only need to use moon clips if you're using rimless cartridges like 9mm
>Which you shouldn't be using in a revolver anyway due to crimp jumping
WRONG.

>>34159916
>Its easier to find shitty semi autos than revolvers.
> even the worst revolvers function basically similar to the best revolvers.
What makes you say that? Sure, buy some pot metal Filipino or Brazilian piece of shit, throw it in a dresser or glove box and yeah there's a great chance it'll work if/when you need it to. Shoot the the thing regularly - especially with full power ammo - and then you'll see why you should have stuck with Ruger, S&W etc. etc.

>>34159924

Yes. revolvers are meant to be used with rimmed cartilages.

If possible get one that shoots 357 Mag. those revolvers also chamber 38+p ammo.

so you get your choice of 2 different rounds from the same gun.

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I'd love to get my hands on Russia's .380 ACP/9x18 Makarov revolvers.

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>>34160652

>>34159916
>even the worst revolvers function basically similar to the best revolvers.

You haven't handled a wide variety of revolvers then. I've handled rohms, and I've handled Rugers, and I've handled a Manurhin. They're only similar in that they use a cylinder to hold cartridges. Everything, from lockup, to durability, to reliability, trigger, etc. is different.

>but even with that said and what you said, if revolvers so much more complex and QC intensive why do semi autos seem to malfunction so much more.

You answered this yourself. Revolvers are nowhere near as common as autos nowadays and are hardly ever used in combat anymore. That's why there's not going to be many situations where someone's revolver malfunctions. If it happens on a range, you usually just try to figure out if the timings messed up or you're getting light strikes or what have you and maybe send it to a gunsmith or fix it yourself. It won't cost you your life if it fails, so it's not as noteworthy. If you search on the internet, you'll find people experiencing all kinds of issues with any brand of revolver you care to mention, just like autos.

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Russia's sneeki breeki OTs-38 Stechkin revolver is neat too.

>>34160628
>keeping it on its side so the rimless bullets don't sink in.

You are fooling no one, you dumb ass.

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>>34160670

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>>34160680
Also has an external safety for cocked and locked carry.

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>>34160686

>>34160680
>swings out to the right

so it must be meant for the off hand

>>34160686
>safety on left side

I don't even know anymore

>>34160628
The 547 doesn't count and you know it.

>>34150398
Welcome, fellow patrician.

>>34160714
There are a number of revolvers meant for right handed shooters that open to the right such as the French 1892 and the Pieper M1893

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>>34160671
What now, faggot?

what is a good bear revolver?

>>34161034
Taurus judge

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>>34161034

>>34161137
My wrists hurt just looking at that.... I want it.

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>>34161291
Also comes in .480 Ruger....

>>34137680
gun would be gorgeous if they didn't engrave that bullshit on the fucking barrel

>>34160923
how stupid are you that you think you are fooling anyone here??

Does anyone here know how older Dan Wessons compare to Ruger or Smith and Wesson?

I've got a 6" barrel .357 Dan Wesson that I love but I'm looking to buy another revolver and I'd like one similar in feel (balance, trigger) to my Dan Wesson

>>34161833
A decade ago I remember an acquaintance bending the ejector rod on his dad's Dan Wesson pretty badly while reloading, can't remember what exactly his retarded early-twentysomething ass did but it kinda left a bad taste in my mouth. Weren't the older DW's made with sintered parts? The newer CZ 715 seems like a good gun, unfortunately it's way bulkier than I need a .357 to be.

>>34161696

STAWP POASTING

http://www.vintagepistols.com/range_report_S&W_547.html

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Anything good to say about a Rossi 357? My first pistol and a good shooter. No problems other then the cylinder is a bit hard to swing open. Got it as a graduation present. Any free gun is a good gun in any case.

>>34158857

45-70.

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>>34161034

Reloadable flash bangs

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>>34161333
The only caliber ive shot where one cylinder made my wrist go numb

>>34162224
I thought the whole point of .480 was that it got damn close to .454 casull but with less recoil?

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Dirty picture of my ruger, the ONLY reason i dont like stainless finishes, after just 200 .357 158grain federal loads yesterday!

>>34150452
honestly man, revolvers and a lot of semi autos are not that complicated, people are just fucking retarded

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>>34162650
All cleaned up

>>34150620
why do you think this is a safe way to hold a gun

>>34162718
because he literally demonstrated to us that it's unloaded? do cartridges magically materialize in cylinders if left alone for 5-6 seconds?

>>34162650
dirty guns are best guns

>>34162798
Personally, i hate a dirty gun.

>>34162340
No its a semi tamed 475 line

>>34157277

I liked the longer sight radius of the 6" 617, but I found it to be very nose heavy. I bought a GP100 as soon as I heard they were making them in 22lr and couldn't be happier. It's got the sight radius I was looking for, but it feels much better in my hand. I replaced the stock grip with one of the Match Champion ones and now it feels PERFECT for me. It's quite accurate, and I'm stoked that they went with FO front and blank rear for the sights because that's my ideal setup.

I won my division at a Steel Challenge match today with it too, so now I'm really attached to it.

>>34163021
I, too, enjoy making my guns clean, but all you have to do to appreciate a gun with a bit of filth on it is spend a little time in /arg/; their immaculate rifles that exist purely for more-aesthetic-than-thine status signalling will enamor you of carbon and other fouling like nothing else

>>34163368

Kek.

>>34147238
You can replace the grips.

Also yeah, with revolvers you need to count or just do tactical reloads when advancing. They used to make 3round half moon clips for that purpose but it's just a better idea to use a full moon clip or speed loader.

>>34138172
The LCRX 3" is pure sex.

>>34154559
I just fire three round bursts with six shot revolvers so basically I can attack only two times and then I instinctually reload.

I use .38spl out of my .357 so the recoil is light so I can shoot fast.

>>34159924
LCR 9mm works perfectly fine with moon clips. Don't let anyone tell you it doesn't unless they've owned one themselves.

>>34161137
I really want to shoot a .454 casul, but also a bit afraid since people usually use the words "painful" or "very sharp" in describing the recoil.

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>>34163368
it's really beautiful

>>34164557

Damn, mine stops working long before it's that filthy. Maybe it needs moar oil.

>>34163141
"The lower velocities and lower pressures mean the .480 Ruger has less felt recoil and muzzle blast than the higher pressure super-magnums."

"Handloaders reported getting phenomenal performance out of the round rubbing shoulders with the .475 Linebaugh and easily equaling and even eclipsing the Taylor Knockout Value (TKO) of the .454 Casull, with less recoil, muzzle blast and noise due to the .480's lower pressures."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.480_Ruger

>>34142665
*puts hand on grip, gets forearm sliced

>>34150440
nickel finish? and where do i get one

>>34158857
45-70 hands down

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>>34137575
I think I might have a weak firing pin on my model 65 smith and wesson
I shoot Winchester .38s and never had a problem with either my Winchester .40s or 9mms but ive had at least a dozen FTF from a weak primer strike. Im going to try a different brand, maybe Remington but what else should I do?

>>34167062
Make sure the screw that tensions the mainspring is screwed all the way in. If you're still getting light strikes get a new mainspring.

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I stumbled across this write up while i was looking for something else. It's probably the best, most thorough piece I have read on inspecting a revolver before purchase.

http://www.thesixgunjournal.net/a-revolver-buyers-checklist/