AR Thread /ARG/ tripfag containment

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>>34002620

Giddy still won't admit that he used a crush washer.

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>>34002492
Back of the muzzle device is going to be slightly inside the front of the handguard with that length. Subtract the length of the threading (0.6 inches) from the barrel length to figure out if it'll clear the rail.

Go with a 14.5" barrel if you have the 13.5" rail, or a 13" rail if you have the 14" barrel.

Smallest difference between rail and barrel length I'd go with is 0.7" like pic related (13.7" barrel and a 13" rail).

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any reason not to get a x230

>>34002628
oh nvm, he did it

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>>34002620

ACOG looks LONG in that picture.

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>>34002628
sad

>>34002630
Because you dont do anything with your fucking pc anyway you dumbass

>>34002630
You don't have money

>>34002638
I like the killflash, makes the trumpet shape less pronounced.

>>34002626
>just fuck my baffles up senpai

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>>34002630
it's not a T420, duh

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>>34002648

I don't mind the trumpet shape. I don't mind it so much that I bought a budget ripoff of it.

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goddamnit my thread was 2l8

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>>34002643
i use my pc daily

>>34002654
need something portable

>>34002630
Just build a pc dude.

https://pcpartpicker.com

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>>34002660
HEY

Nice pistol.

>>34002664
>need something portable
yeah so you can carry it from your cardboard box in the alley to the starbucks you leech wifi from

>>34002651
explain

>>34002673
It's a crush washer, a sure way to get a baffle strike.

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>>34002664
>need something portable
Why? Where do you go to compute you fucking neet

>>34002679
he lays in bed all day

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>>34002666
Nice rifle.

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>>34002673
nobody needs to explain anything
the pictures speak for themselves

>>34002662
Oh anon btw cause idr if we got to talking about it after, but me and /akg/anon were talking about the next 2gun and neither of us are sure if we can make the next one yet. We were gonna try and make plans to make at least every other one. I know I sure as fuck need the monetary break so I can put together a few hundred for a belt system and holster

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>>34002664
The T420 is portable, tard
>>34002666
Don't encourage that Behavior

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>>34002666
T-thanks satan.

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for ts

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>>34002677
it's not

>>34002686
that pic was after i spent 2 week going around the southwest shooting my rifle.

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>>34002665
i still need something i can bring around with me

but this is a build ive been throwing around

>>34002692
not as portable as a x230

>>34002679
just working, i move around a lot

>>34002706
Yes it is. Every single manufacturer says it will give you a baffle strike and it will not be covered by warranty.

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>>34002705

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>>34002685
No u.

>>34002686
I've seen this picture 100x and I still don't understand how it looks like this. It looks like corrosive ammo with a can on, but that doesn't make sense.

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haha

>>34002718
there was some pool chlorine involved

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>>34002690
Yea I need some breaks as well so missing the next is prob what was gonna happen with me as well

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>>34002706
>10-23-2015
this pic is 10-30-2015

Oh look its another "qb is a massive faggot" episode

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>>34002713
it's not a crush washer, it's the supplied washer from surefire.

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>>34002736
there's at least three salty little cunts that could be behind this post

>can't find my pic of red hot can
shit

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>>34002707
I mean, it is though, if you're not a woman

>>34002714
There is literally nothing wrong with the PA- MDADS

>>34002736
Giddy, turn your trip back on

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Roasted for TS
>>34002736
Thats every thread

>>34002753
List them and I'll tell you if you are right fag boi

>>34002732
Pleasing image.

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>>34002754
>tries to convince anyone that it was the ammo

>keeps posting evidence it was entirely his fault

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>>34002754
>red hot
>"Why baffle strike guies?"

>>34002732
Least everything works out then

Hopefully they have the long distance stage next time. That one was pretty cool last time. I really want them to use that one and have us move through a course that's like 60-70 yards long for at least one stage

>>34002767
please explain how the second one was my fault?
p.s. the dirty pic was the first strike after 2k rounds in the desert

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>>34002767
nice rare fluffy I haven't seen this one

>>34002763
Feminine hands

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>>34002767
delet

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>>34002785
>installs his brake wrong

>it was the black hills ammo guise they make shit ammo

>>34002754
>red hot
So YOU destroyed the can?

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>>34002788
qb found it like 10 minutes after Fluffy posted his mailbox the first time

>>34002780
Surely the SF cans are full auto rated? Even at red hot it should be fine.

>>34002754
Didn't you use poly tipped ammo or some shit?

>>34002780
first baffle strike was my fault for getting it too hot, i freely admit this.
the second one was bench shooting where the can didn't get very hot.

>>34002801
i didn't install it wrong since it was there for 2k rounds before the strike
(2k seems to be a common number)

>>34002806
no i found his twitter 10mins after he doxed himself with careless instagram posting

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>>34002765
Sized to your taste
>>34002783
Yea I hope that the new stage director follows through and makes more of those stages where you advance down the bay. I have reviewed the footage of that one several times and still cringe on how quickly I lost track of the targets and engaged two I had already gotten

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>>34002804
>socom can
>can't be shot to 800*f without breaking
SUREFIRE CONFIRMED SHIT

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>>34002767
>still haven't shooped the rare picture yet

What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>34002813
His barrel isn't.

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>>34002839
dud that would take like 10mins of effort
i don't have time for that

>>34002816
So you were just holding onto the mailbox photo or am I missing something

I only saw you post it after everyone started bullying for 5'5

>>34002822
Hopefully. I think you were there when we were talking about 3gun too right?

I had a couple stages where I engaged the same target too, NBD in a for fun gun run desu

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>>34002852
i had forgotten about it
i posted his instagram photo more

>>34002860
Kek

I think someone from /msg/ found my IG a longass time ago but there's not much on it

>>34002860
Post it

>>34002839
>His barrel isn't
all barrel get hot, the barrel didn't melt, it just got hot as fuck. maybe 500*f

https://www.noveske.com/products/chf-chrome-lined-lo-pro-5-56

lclp is pretty damn thick

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>>34002620
floating_lower.jpg

>>34002852
>I think you were there when we were talking about 3gun
If I was I can't remember it

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>>34002880
do you think i gave a fuck enough to even bookmark it

>>34002889
It was near the end of the day, I asked him about 3gun cause last time I was there I heard rumors about them looking for interest and he said that he basically opened 3gun at OKCorral and left it at that

>>34002620

>tfw too poor for lmt

>>34002898

oh dear, I've wandered into the weird part of the internet again.

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FOUND IT

this was after like 6 or 7 mags

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is this the same rail as the 4A1 FSP RAIL INTERFACE SYSTEM (RIS) II?

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>>34002915
you mean the best part

>>34002919
>it was the ammo

>>34002928
no

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>>34002928
No. The RIS 2 FSP and all RIS variants lack integral QD cups.

>>34002915

>in that weird part of youtube again xD
>its not even a Brazilian sfw fart porn video

>>34002929
>can so shit that getting it hot makes it fall apart
SUREFIRE CONFIRMED SHIT

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>>34002954

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>>34002718
Hey thanks.

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>>34002929

only 10/10 gifs can reply

>>34002929
the wikipedia of my life

>>34002919
This is why you dont shoot wrap a can cozy on your rifle unless your going for long range shooting.

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>>34002962

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>>34002982

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This is my first AR. Picked it up in trade. I realize now that it's a giant meme in this configuration. I ditched the MBUS front since it's plastic. I also want to sell the Eotech and magnifier (not pictured). How do I make this tramp stamped bitch a non-meme?

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>>34002962

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>>34002990

>>34002993
I'll just give you an upper for the eokek and magnifier ^)

>>34002956
THEY SHIPPED IT, UNLIKE YOUR CAN

>>34002966
ok, it didn't have the cozy on, i only use it now for putting the can in the rifle case when it's hot

>>34002990
My erection caused by this gif confuses me.

>>34003006

What kind of upper? I've had AK's since I was 17 (31 now) and I hate not having at least front irons.

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>>34003031

>>34003040
My wife is in the room?

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>>34003040

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>>34003034
>buy fixed DD front
>install
Would probably be a helluva lot easier for you to do that than try to install an A2 FSB

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>>34003056

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>>34002620
Meme mag pics soon

>>34003054
sounds like a party.

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>>34003064

>>34002993
your front sight's probably gonna melt

>>34002993
>ditched the mbus
Why? It works fine. Wait until you're drilling shit with it then upgrade. It's fine for fundamentals.

>sell the Eotech & magnifier
Again, why? Are you operating? Eotechs are fine as long as you're not subjecting it to wild temperature swings. Battery life isn't as good as Aimpoint, but it isn't absolutely horrible either and your stock is specifically made to hump CR123's.

I wouldn't worry about either of these.

That being said, Why did you go with a railed gas block? It's a carbine length gas system on a 16" barrel. If you were going to go with something that didn't have a front sight post anyway, why not go free-float?

>>34003059

I saw that site and it looks good. I'll go with that one. The last AR I even shot was a Colt carbine of some type that rattled like hell but it was so fucking easy to make hits compared to my AK.

>>34003087

Yeah, the dumb fuck that traded this to me had it set up like this. I took the front site and magnifier off. I don't like plastic sites in general.

>>34003111
Also remove rgb and replace with lowpro block. Easy stuff and you can put on a FF rail

>>34003087
Interesting. I didn't think of that.

>>34002993
Yeah, you have to ditch that MBUS. Hopefully the rail on the gas block is the same height as the top of the receiver.

>>34003111
Buy a Scalarworks fixed front if you want Gucci

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i like shooting with gear on

>>34003107

I didn't really choose it. A guy offered this and a ton of cash for a PSL and I couldn't pass up the deal. I ditched the front MBUS because it's plastic mounted on a gas block and didn't trust it.

I only ever shoot AK's and had forgotten how smooth AR's are and decided I might just keep it. If I was choosing, I'd have gotten something with at least front irons or one of those float tubes that I could put an iron on.

>>34003107

And no I'm not operating. I had an Eotech 512 that shit on me on my dad's socom and I'd rather have either a tougher site or no red dot at all. I like shooting irons even.

>>34003002
My favorite part of that is him getting hit in the head by the remote he tossed.

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>>34002912

>>34003183
Sucks that your 512 shat on you. I understand your gripe.

>>34003054
You've haven't been married long enough. After about 8 years I found the best way to get laid was to just have that thing winking at her.

Rate me. Pistols are still in the safe.

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>>34003257

Is the muzzle brake on the far right as loud as pic related?

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>>34003289
Um... Where is my pic?
Rate me?

I don't know if it's still up, but PSA had a bundle of a Geissele SSA-E and 10 PMAGs for $250

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>>34003304
quality over quantity

We will have a new service rifle within the next 2 years.

http://soldiersystems.net/2017/05/19/statement-for-the-record-senate-armed-services-committee-airland-subcommittee-may-18-2017-mg-robert-h-scales-usa-ret/

>>34003342
RIP in peace /arg/

>>34003342
doubt

>>34003338
Fuck off fluffy, you have a God damn meme shit rubber band

>>34003357
The Russians are currently developing something similar. We have to beat them to it.

>The new rifle requirements document will be one page. It will speculate only six characteristics:

· First the rifle must be modular capable of being converted in the field to a carbine, rifle, machine gun or sniper rifle.

· Second, it will fire an intermediate caliber bullet probably a military version of the venerable Remington 270.

· Third, the rifle will be suppressed. A muzzle suppressor greatly reduces a rifle’s report and in the confusion of a close fight a quieter rifle gives a decided advantage.

· Fourth, the new rifle will use a solid recoiling action like most first-rate assault rifles.

· Fifth, the rifle should have a snap on digital sight capable of killing reliably to a range in excess of 1,000 meters.

· Sixth, the rifle should be able to fire ammunition in a polymer casing. Polymer rounds weigh 30% less than brass cartridge casings.

A desirable feature would be an attachment to allow the rifle to fire belted ammunition.

>>34003342
This was the stupidest fucking thing I've read in 2017, and further proof that politicians haven't the slightest idea of what they're doing when it comes to firearms, in any measurable context

>>34003366
so a AR...

>>34003342
They have been saying that about the m9 for 30 years

>>34003301
Yup

>>34003381
If that HK shill has his way, it will be a piston AR.

>>34003342
That's full of so much BS and fuddlore it pisses me right the fuck off. I would love to debate the absolute retard that wrote. I'm actually really fucking mad right now, that might have ruined my night.

>>34003370
St. Mattis sent it

>>34003387
HK is submitting a SCAR clone for Germany's trials

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>>34003342
The fucking worst part of that goddamn article is when he blames 5.56 on the Army's boneheaded fucking decision to adopt M855
I'M SO FUCKING MAD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>34003384
It's different this time. We have a plan, and we've been working on it for a while. All that needs to be done is convince congress.

http://soldiersystems.net/2017/04/04/jim-schatz-a-path-to-overmatch-next-generation-individual-weapon-system/

also this>>34003393
Mattis really likes 6.8SPC

>>34003393
He's lost my respect then.
>>34003410
Fucking really? The shit cartridge that's only good for deer hunting with a baseball's trajectory? Why not 6.5 grendel, at least that can shoot as far as 5.56.

>>34003366
>LSAT
>6.xx mm CT cartridge
>Tracking Point x.0, integrated or clip-on thermal, with batteryless backup operation capability
>Stellite alloy Rugged Suppressor
>Diamond coating internals
>powerpack in stock

Anything else important to add?

>>34003406
>>34003390
>>34003370
leave an angry comment if you are angry
>>34003365
if you call putting an AK in a plastic shell doing the same thing yeah

>>34003425
>if you call putting an AK in a plastic shell doing the same thing yeah
I'm talking about true intermediate calibers and advanced optics.

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>his AR 15 magazines aren't illegal AND radioactive

Wdhmbt

>>34003432
>russia
>advanced optics

what true intermediates are they looking into

>>34003421
It won't be 6.8SPC. Mattis just wanted a heavier and longer range cartridge, and 6.8SPC was what fit the bill in 2009. Also 6.8 is not terrible for long range, it's just not as good as 6.5 Grendel,

>>34003441
Probably going the Serbian route and adopting 6.5 Grendel, or at least something similar. Russia already produces a ton of 6.5 Grendel.

>>34003393
I don't care if Eugene Stoner sent it, it's still a painfully retarded statement he's making. Being a well liked leader doesn't make him immune from criticism when he says shit like this.

.264 USA AR12 when?

>>34003423
muh piston

>>34003457
How do you like that rail?

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the "acetone" i thought i had was just "non-acetone" nail polish remover i used for some light paint removal before.....

this ar-10 project is cursed....

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>>34003470
I like it, but the EMR still feels better in the hand

>>34003472
Hobby paint thinner, buy some

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>>34003467
Soon. Expect to hear more later this year.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/05/17/breaking-usmc-releases-rfi-new-infantry-rifles-uppers-optics-suppressors-targets/

>>34003486
Are the edges sharp? Noticeably wider? Any more rigid?

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6.5 GRENDEL NIGGA

>>34003486
even then dude, the lower on this thing has a bolt release that takes a screw, but the CMMG parts kit i got had a screw just a hair too big to fit.

and the selector needs a longer than standard spring i cant seem to locate on the interwebs.

>>34003509
.264 you fucking retard

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How will 5.56 ever recover?

Remember where you were when 5.56 was BTFO

>The M249 Squad Automatic Weapon performed so badly in Iraq and Afghanistan that the last commandant of the Marine Corps wrote a check to get rid of it in infantry squads. He replaced it with the superb HK 416, the finest automatic rifle in the free world. By the way it was a German made HK, not an American weapon, that killed bin Laden.

What did he mean by this?

>>34003501
Now is the time to buy LWRC Six8 receiver sets before they become unobtanium.

>>34003440
>living somewhere that makes any mags illegal
>breaking the law to impress strangers on the internet instead of moving out of your piece of shit state
what a pathetic faggot you are

>>34003509
It's too slow and too fat

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>>34003505
It does seem a bit wider than the EMR, and the mk8 is very nicely machined, there's not really any sharp edges aside from the 1913. It's more the shape of the EMR that is more comfortable. Circular fits your hand better

>>34003511
Email cmmg and the lower maker and see if they can hook you up

>>34003533
t. Butt hurt new yorker

>>34003523
It's not BTFO. Congress and fudds just can't think past muh Mogadishu and M855.

>>34003540
you're fucking retarded

>>34003531
He's probably an HK shill.

maybe if you fags gave a velocity reliant cartridge sufficient velocity this shit wouldn't be an issue

>>34003541
>Damage control intensifies

>>34003554
It still wouldn't have the 1200yd capabilities that mil wants.

>inb4 unrealistic combat expectations
MODERN OPTICS LIKE TRACKING POINT AND THE STEINER ICS HAVE MADE IT POSSIBLE

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>>34003544
Good one buddy

>>34003576
they're crazy if they think they are going to get that out of a standard issue service rifle, and the individual wielding it

>>34003587
http://www.tracking-point.com/how-it-works/

>>34003513
>basically doesn't even exist

>>34003595
that looks practical and affordable.

>>34003540
sorry i ment the pivot pin spring is too short it is just a standard length spring.

oh but heres the good part.

the marker of the lower was a two man veteran business from around ft. campbell that no longer exists. i found the original owner and fb pmed him, he said he would look and see if he had any extra parts left but i havent heard from him in two days.

i guess this is what i get for buying a gucci ar-10 unubtanium lower.

>>34003605
Did you even watch the videos on how it works?

The mil has been testing it since it was first released. They obvious would get a better price for a bulk buy.

>>34003605
Why not? You can probably get it down to <$1000 in a couple of years with mass production and Army R&D money.

>>34003617
it's the size of a vietnam era NV sight

>>34003632
That's just the first gen. Who knows what SOCOM has been testing.

>>34003554
Or used 308 rather than a poodle shooter bullet

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>>34003509

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>>34003646
SHUT UP I DON'T WANT IRL AIMBOT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>34003654
It's happening whether you want it or not. You know what else is a thing now?

POWER ARMOR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28owOOPt1Gs

>>34003654
Military will never adopt it in scale as it relies heavily on IR range finding tech which isnt 100% reliable and is vulnerable to jamming/dust/early warning systems/grunts.

Additionally the first time it fails it will be dropped like the XM25

>>34003680
XM25 was cancelled because the contractor failed to meet a deadline. The weapon worked as intended.

>>34003159
post gear

>>34003423
>Anything else important to add?
Yeah, apparently you have to pay the government to get them to use these because they they want to buy all that for $1000.

>>34003685
>>34003675
FUTURE WEAPONS GET OUT
(RIP Mack tho)

>>34003523
5.56mm is great for killing paper and small varmints, not much else. It's extremely weak. People can take 12 rounds of 5.56mm and walk away -- many such cases. Sad.

>>34003685
And the one time that it exploded
>>34003159
>looking down on reloads
>not bringing weapon up into workspace
What else would I expect from giddy?

>>34003704
>the one time that it exploded
ONE TIME. It was almost completely redesigned after that incident, and it worked fine after that.

>>34003704
>judging others for having fun
kys

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>>34003723
>trying to look cool in gear
>doesnt know what he's doing
>"hurrr dont judge me"
Really pedro?

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>>34003731
oh no, internet losers will judge me, what ever will i do.

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>>34003606
That's fucking gay.
Did the seller just not know or neglected to tell you?
What you gonna do if the veteran guys don't have any extras?

>>34003700
>many such cases
Really

>>34003700
>Icepicks internally

>>34003747
>will
We already do

>>34003700
I really think M855 was the worst thing to ever happen to the AR15. I fucking hate USO so goddamn much. If I could I would murder very fucko that decided the requirements.

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>>34003759
ok, noted and flushed down the toilet

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>>34003675
pic related
>>34003749
well if i dont get the proper parts ill just have to make my own.

which means ill just size the hole, and shove a roll pin in it, then ill go down to the local parts shop and find a spring the same diameter and twist rate and if need be cut it and im done.


but honestly just being able to order the fucking parts would save me like 3 days of work just finding snowflake spring and roll pin...

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>>34003775
Well I hope those vet guys hook you up. Tell the seller to khs

>>34003342
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/01/gun-trouble/383508/

Same guy, full retard.

>>34003769
>I really think M855 was the worst thing to ever happen to the AR15
That's not the M16A2 anon. :^

>>34003786
I just got some of that PURPLE JUICE today, need to try it.

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>>34003816
this has just become bullying at this point

>>34003801
Aside from the DI and 5.56 retardation, he has some really good points.

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>>34003816
Do me.

>>34003818
It's great tho

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>>34003815
I like it a lot.

See pic, my review.

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>>34003826
He already has

>>34003393
>By Major General (Retired) Robert H. Scales.
Stop being dumb.

>>34003836
No he didn't. That was just some old fag in front of a computer. No memes, no gotes, no A1, no nothing.

>>34003786
im honestly surprised he if he isnt lurking here, he was weird as fuck. i even thought to myself "i wonder if hes going to comment if i post this lower/upper on /k/.

i mean its not a horrible predicament, i do live right next to two gucci ar-15 companies who would be more than happy to try and fix it, i just really dont want to have to pay their prices for parts. i mean, once all i needed was a specific size crush washer and they wanted like $8 for it lmfao

>>34003848
>some old fag in front of a computer
Exactly

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>>34003857
Aren't you a witty and original fag.

>>34003849
What companies

>he was weird as fuck

Do tell

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>>34003864
>coming from the poster who spams "post ar" faster than gc can write "dlt that"
You're really gonna complain to me about unoriginality?

>>34003801
What's wrong with his claims though?

>>34003366
>Fifth, the rifle should have a snap on digital sight capable of killing reliably to a range in excess of 1,000 meters.
This fucking prick was commissioned in 1966. He's never fired a fucking weapon with an optical sight on it in his life and he's recommending this? Dude needs to stop watching Buck Rogers re-runs.

>>34003892
http://www.tracking-point.com/m800/
With software upgrade and 6mm you can get 1000 + yards.

>>34003865
im not doxing myself.

and the guy i got the lower/upper from oh boy...
so to start he was a balding man about 5'9" with a big thick burly black beard, he may have been about 4-5 years older than me so that was weird.

he stuttered a lot and for a "big guy" he had the voice of a 13yo, seemed to have no confidence, and kept calling me "brother".

im not trying to rag on the guy, he was really nice dont get me wrong i wouldnt have a problem with the guy, but he was WEIRD AS FUCK.

and im not going to blame this strange happening on him, i honestly think i just got the lower and never finished it, it had a new LPK in a stapled sealed bag, and no marks on it so he never attempted puting it togeather.

now the company was combat shooters llc, and i had to do some serious digging to find them, since i think the dissolved the business like 2 years ago to just pursue competition shooting.

dont get me wrong the lower is really nice, but i think it took some possibly proprietary parts.
idk ill probably just take it to the local shop and have them fix it im really busy with school.

>>34003342
I typed up a response to the article. 1/5
The HK416 is an excellent weapon, but not better than a well-made modern M4.The M249 was only supplemented, not replaced.
The HK416 is mainly an american weapon, using an AR18 gas system on an AR15 body.
XM25 is bulky, heavy, and renders one soldier out of every squad useless to respond to quick pop up threats.
Wars fought since WW2 have mainly been insurgencies, where small arms kill more soldiers because insurgencies are usually not as well funded as regular armies. The only exception is Korea, where US troops had only WW2 era rifles comapred to their Chinese and NK counterparts.
The M4's that jammed during Wanat were fired way over any reasonable limit, any other rifle would have also jammed in that situation.
Modern combat shows an increasing trend towards urban combat, where a shorter barrel is a great help to soldiers.
The M16 was not a maintenance queen, but rather only needed lubricant and a light wiping off. Big Army didn't issue lube or cleaning kits or chrome line the chamber, barrel, and BCG, so unlubed and uncleaned rifles jammed. The design never was the problem, only US Ordinance.
What you are describing is inherent to literally any automatic weapon system. What you meant to say was that the puff of expanding gasses fouled up the chamber by being pushed into the reciever. This is untrue, as Stonger Gas System vents almost all excess gas out ports in the side of the BCG. Look at high speed video and it's apparent the most fouling that gets into the reciever is by chamber blowback, something that happens with every automatic firearm.
The "bolt assembly" (BCG) is not freely moving, but rather rides on 4 rails.

>>34003919
2/5
The M16 also has solid attachment, as the BCG acts as the op rod. Mud and dust will stop any AK from functioning if it gets into the reciever, like any other firearm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX73uXs3xGU DEVGRU and Delta use the HK416 because it was designed for them, and it uses more modern steels and plastics than curreent issue big army M4's, not because it is bettter than the M4A1 Block II. The HK416 was adopted much earlier than the Block II, so at the time it was the best option. Delta and DEVGRU hange onto it because it's about as good as the M4 and they already have tons of spare parts and rails for it. The M4 is lighter and just as good in every other way.
The M4 can fire much more than 140 rounds per minute without stopping, even on full auto. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSizVpfqFtw The AK can and will jam in dusty conditions. Comparing the Lee Enfield riflew to a modern rifle is misleading at best. While technically true, the Lee Enfield is a bolt action rifle with a 10 round magazine. It's much more like the M40A1 sniper rifle in use, and US forces have M240's and DMR rifles to fight off insurgents with High-caliber weapons. The AK467 absolutely does not outrange tyhe M4. 7.62x39mm drops very fast pat 300 yards, while 5.56 flies fast and straight for up to 600 yards (with the right ammo).
MK262, the current issue SOCOM loading of 5.56 can kill at up to 800 yards easily. States prohibiting the USE of 5.56 as a hunting caliber does not mean the caliber can't kill deer. It can and will kill large game (including grizzly bears) at up to 200 yards.
While plastic shell casing isa a great idea, it would be best to stick with 5.56 in a polymer casing as 6.5 and 7mm rounds would hurt the favorable ballistics and killing capacity of 5.56 in modern chambering like M855A1 and MK262.
Adopting expreimental technology for infantrymen is very dangerous, as it might not be durable enough for modern combat.

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>>34003918
Well at least he was nice to you. Never having put it together is a valid reason imo

>>34003927
3/5
The only experimental guns used by US forces are the HK416, the SCARl, and the SCAR17. Of those, the HK416 is only used because it uses modern materials comapred to the military's M4A1, and it allows Delta and DEVGRU to modfiy their weapons without asking SOCOM. The SCAR-L was only used for a couple of years until the M4A1 SOPMOD Block II was produced, which is a better rifle in nearly every way. Not by much, but still better. The SCAR-H is still used, but not in the same role as the M4A1 Block II. Because there is no other modern battle rifle, SOCOM uses it as a DMR rifle.
The reason people say the M4 doesn't have much killing power is because of US Ordinance. In the 80's, USO decided to "upgrade" the M193 loading for 5.56. They developed the M855, a 62 grain bullet compared to the 55gr M193, that also had a steel penetrator in it. That penetrator caused the essential fragmentation, the main killing method of 5.56, to only occur after 7 inches of travel in a soft target. This means that for most small bodied people, M855 would just "ice-pick through their body, doing little damage comppared to the earlier M193. Why make this choice? Because for some reason, USO decided the new round had to penetrate a soviet helmet at 600 yards. I don't need to tell you the impracticality of that situation. However, with modern loadings such as MK262 and M855A1, 5.56 is more letha at greater distances than ever before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF6v34gC2Ag&t https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8IvDPuVuho
New Russian assault rifles are merely AK74's updated with platic stocks. These rifles fire 5.45x39mm, an extremely similar round to 5.56. The difference being that USSR Ordiannce didn't destroy the killing capabilities of the cartridge with a terrible loading.

>>34003917
>You can totally get 1,000 meter accuracy
>On a calm day and while prone in a sable position
Yeah, if you think you're getting hits beyond 500 meters reliably under field conditions you're fucking dumb.

>>34003889
His entire premise is based on the idea that AR rifles are still subjected to the issues in Vietnam which had nothing to do with the design of the rifle.

>>34003945
4/5
M855A1 can penetrate up to Level 4 armor, much higher than the current russian standard issue. 5.56 is already a middle caliber. Latest russian small arms have less range than M4's due to the Russian's little use of optics and the AK74'S inherent inaccuracy.
Converting one rifle to every battlefield role is a good idea, but nearly impossible to pull off without a lower and upper receiver that only attach at two points and separate very quickly for the changing of uppers. Oh wait, the M4 already has those capabilities and can fulfill every role easily with a quick upper swap.
Remington 270 is not a cartridge, perhaps you meant Winchester 270? As shown before, 5.56 is the perfect blend of capacity and lethality so why go up a few millimeters?
The M4 already has a solid recoiling action, more solid than any external piston as the piston is inside the receiver and nearly impossible to damage without destroying the rifle completely.

>>34003826
haha mine's better than yours

>>34003957
5/5
1000 meter engagments are extremely rare, and we already have snipers for shooting that far.
The Marine was fucked over by US Ordinance, like thousands of young men before him. Their adoption of the M855 and destruction of the original M16 program is sabotage and treason of the highest order.
Only 6 states disallow the use 5.56 in the killing of deer, and many thousands of hunters take deer with it every year. If the US Military was a deer hunting organization I woudl recommend them a good Remington 700 in .308, but unfortuneatly freedom needs protecting. With the M4, and 5.56.
Sorry for the shit spelling in places, I was a little worked up writing this.

>>34003917
>That fuck huge sight
>Those exposed wires
>That heavy ass butt stock
>It's a full size rifle in 7.62, not comparable to an M4
This has to be bait.

>>34003338
>2017, still using keymod

>>34003949
>>34003969
t. Luddites
Bet you guys would have been praising the M14, and bashing the adoption of the M16 back in the day.

>>34003938
yea he didnt know. so its whatever im just angry in general.

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>>34003965
Good reply, angry anon.

Wouldreadagain/10

>>34003965
>>34004005
>I know more than a General
Typical /k/.

>>34003995
No, I just can see through marketing hype.

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>>34003997
Good luck m80

What's your plans for the rest of the build?

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>>34003938
thats not even my biggest concern tho.

my biggest concern is getting a barrel now lol fucking .308 barrels are spensive.

i literally have everything for this gun, even a muzzle break, i just need a barrel and gas block/gas tube.

i need to take pictures of the NIB bolt, its ridiculously shiny.

>>34004005
thanks. Glad to know my autism amuses someone.
>>34004024
appeal to authority. Most General's haven't shot a person since the Gulf War, and their job has never been to learn about 5.56.

>>34003965
10/10 now email it to that old fudd. I still think we should continue with this new rifle tho.

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>>34004034
POST PICS OF THE PARTS YOU SCUM

Does BA make 308 barrels?

>>34004047
yeah they do

>>34004024
Based on the articles, your average /arg/ poster knows more about an AR than that General does.

>>34003342
>an enemy out of range yet capable of delivering a larger volume of return fire—any of these cancel out all the wonderfully superior and expensive American air- and sea-based weapons that may be fired in support of ground troops
Did he just say a dude with an PKM cancels out American fire support? Is this really what this fucking retard is saying?

>>34004044
I think the M4 needs some updating instead of it being replaced, honestly.
Hopefully this is just a veiled attempt at a M4A2.

>>34004026
>plastic and aluminum aren't fit for a service rifle, it's just being pushed by those aerospace corporations
Literally the M14 to M16 transition all over again.

>>34004026
What's different than regular precision shooting? This just uses a computer to do the numbers for you. If you use a low drag bullet in 6mm, you can very well make accurate hits easily out to 1k yards even in field conditions.

>>34004034
FAG, see >>34004055

>>34004076
I would be perfectly fine with a free floated 6.5 Grendel M4 with advanced optics.

>>34004091
standardize a Sierra TMK for it and I'll be game.

>>34004080
Except it isn't. This is literally a retardation of small arms development. Going back to thinking soldiers are capable of long range precision accuracy is literally retarded.
>>34004081
>He thinks regular precision shooting is something that happens in infantry engagements.
Not everyone is a sniper, nor is that desirable.

>>34004024
>being a boot bitch and sucking officer cock all day even tho 5 minutes on Google will prove many of his points wrong

Typical anon

>>34004038
>>34004057
>M4 is barely a 400 yard gun, if you disagree, you've not shot in extremely windy conditions
>the AR bcg has too little mass to be ultra reliable, operating system aside, Jim Sullivan has said this
>SCAR fixes this by having a brick BCG, also a longer cam pin track leaves the bolt operable for 10s of thousands of rounds

>>34004113
>not everyone's a sniper
Hence the smart scope. Don't ignore parts of the core argument. You can still use it as a regular ACOG okay? Luddite.
>>34004122
No. He might have used "persuasive" laymen language but nothing he's said was fudd.
Name one part that was wrong.

>>34004113
>muh sniper training
If you were paying attention you would realize that this new system is an M4 size package with 1200yd capability that doesn't take advanced training to make use of, nor does it have diminished CQB effectiveness.

>>34004127
>the bolt operable for 10s of thousands of rounds
Until you put it on the suppressed setting and they void the warranty

>>34004162
Yea, but military "VIPs" make the rules. The design is still solid, but there is room for improvement.

>>34004127
77gr slugs buck wind very well, just as good as M80.
Source for Jim Sullivan saying this?
AR15's last for tens of thousands of rounds too, even without those small upgrades.

>>34004162
Damn, if only FNH would have accounted for suppressor use during development they might have had a winner.

>>34004155
>Hence the smart scope. Don't ignore parts of the core argument. You can still use it as a regular ACOG okay? Luddite.
That weighs 7 pounds and only has a 3hr battery life. No thanks.
>>34004159
>If you were paying attention you would realize that this new system is an M4 size package with 1200yd capability that doesn't take advanced training to make use of, nor does it have diminished CQB effectiveness.
If you knew what you were talking about you'd know that you still have to be able to shoot well to hit anything at 1200 yards. The fucking thing doesn't even compensate for wind.

>>34004197
You dumb mother fucker.

American tactical AR with a scope of some sort for $450 y/n?

>>34004204
Not an argument you fucking faggot.

>>34004204
You aren't even going to attempt to argue? What a cop out.

>>34004211
no

>>34004211
Hard fucking pass.

>>34004213
>You aren't even going to attempt to argue?
What's the point? He's clearly retarded.

>>34004211
I dunno if it's still going, but PSA was selling M&P Sport II's for 400 bucks. I'd get that instead.

>>34004191
>77gr
Still not 800-1000 yards where the PKM can reach.
Jim. I think this one.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=gOUKXIrDE0I
I think the orignal AR didn't have buffer weights either. They were added later to increase reliability due to changing ammo and other changes.

>>34004221
you realize in doing this you have lost the argument

>>34004218
Just like my urine this morning.

>>34004214
>>34004218
>>34004228
Thanks lads.
Went to my lgs for nugget food and the guy was doing all he could to sell it to me. Was pulling out every trick in the book like putting it in my hands and asking me how much I think its worth.

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>>34004197

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>>34004254
Idk, you're the one advocating for the equivalent of pic related.

>>34004229
comparing a PKM and a AR15 is useless, they're completely different weapons in different roles.
Doesn't he say that the issue is fixed with buffer weights and various BCG upgrades?

Goddamn tripfag shitting up the thread again.

>>34004262
>the little iron sights on the top

Bwahaha

>>34004155
>name one part that's wrong

The part about the XM25 being god's gift to the infantry

The part about loss of confidence in m4/m16 within the combat arms

The general lack in ability to conceptialize any modernization to 5.56 rounds post Vietnam era 55gr

Maj. Gen Scales is a good dude, but all this shit, and the fact that he talks about infantry fighting like a Ranger Up! T shirt, despite not having an infantry background makes him a valid target of criticism.

You can also keep calling people "luddites", but it's a pretty limiting argument on par with GC's "dlt dis".

>>34002638
Not sure if you'll read this, but your rifle is so far the closest Ive seen to my current build project. From what I can tell, youve got the same butt stock, similar back plate, looks like an M-lock handguard. Any chance that's a 20" barrel? If so, did you free float it? What twist rate did you go with? Did you go with an adjustable gas block? What have been your experiences with your upper setup? Thank you.

>>34004277
that pic is an IRL shitpost

>>34004289
The coffin mag and cookie cutter really makes me laff.

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>>34004197
>>34004197
Btw. I'm the original guy debating you. I've refrained from insults, other than Luddite, which I try to frame more as a description than insult.

>weight, power
Technology will improve. We didn't have smartphones until the late 2000s. Think about that for a second. Compare the Iphone 1 to what we have today.

>wind
It does compensate for wind. Unless you can measure wind down range, you just have to estimate like regular shooting. Using a low drag bullet will help.

Again, this is a software issue and can be improved upon.

>>34004264
Different roles, but they want overmatch. His whole argument is that the richest military in the world shoudn't just be barely better than dirt farming insurgents but should be like Master Chief vs vietcong.

>>34004295
>Btw. I'm the original guy debating you. I've refrained from insults, other than Luddite, which I try to frame more as a description than insult.
Well I won't. You're a fucking retard.

>Technology will improve. We didn't have smartphones until the late 2000s. Think about that for a second. Compare the Iphone 1 to what we have today.
Right, this is just like candy crush. The technology isn't matured enough to even be considered and this retard (and yourself) are advocating it be adopted now because "muh M16 gets da boiz killed,"
>Unless you can measure wind down range,
That's where knowing how to shoot comes in. Something Scales, and most infantrymen aren't actually proficient in.

>Again, this is a software issue and can be improved upon.
Or we can just drop the penchant for dramatics and focus on training and improving the weapon systems that actually do the heavy lifting in combat.

>>34004280
Okay. M4 debate has been beat to death. Let's just ignore that part.

What do you think about acquiring an overmatch rifle anyway?

>>34002850
this guy is tall for a mexican

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>>34004307
This guy gets it.


OVERMATCH

>>34004295
Also, this entire fucking argument for a new rifle is predicated on the concept of being outranged in one theater of operation by GPMGs and sniper rifles, while ignoring our own GPMGs and sniper rifles exist. It's a non-starter right out of the gate.

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>>34004336

>>34002686
These pics are unsettling as fuck. I can deal with dead and dying people in person and be fine, but these bother me.

>>34003107
The temperature swing and loss of zero only applied to a specific model, made during a specific date range. As usual, when the internets get ahold of something and just run with it it takes on a life of its own.

>>34004346
that muzzle device is fine, it lives on witcheranon's rifle.

>>34004317
How about just the rifle then? Are you opposed to lighter, longer range rifle general issue rifle with no drawbacks other than acquisition cost?
Forget about smart scopes. That seems to trigger you.

>>34004336
Read >>34004307

>>34004357
>Are you opposed to lighter, longer range rifle general issue rifle with no drawbacks other than acquisition cost?
>with no drawbacks
>no drawbacks
Doesn't exist. You're buying snake oil hype.

>Forget about smart scopes. That seems to trigger you.
Hmm, why would I be against having to carry a 7lbs system that only has a 3hr battery life on my rifle that's of dubious value in the first place. Really tickles my prostate.

>His whole argument is that the richest military in the world shoudn't just be barely better than dirt farming insurgents but should be like Master Chief vs vietcong.
We already do that though. You know what MC had over everyone in the Halo universe other than plot armor? Training.

>>34004320
I think it's an interesting concept but it seems a bit lofty right now. It's also coming at a very weird time were we have USSOCOM just putting out a RFI for a .300 PDW, the big army finishing up the M110A1 and M17/M18 gigs, the USMC hinting at M27's for all infantrymen that would normally get M4's (and then immediately putting out a RFI for what's essentially a Geissele Mk4 upper) and all this talk about a intermediate caliber to further bridge the gap or replace 5.56 and 7.62 marksman rifles.

The point is, everyone wants something new, which is good most of the time. The industry needs to be proactive not reactive to the needs of shooters, but a tracking point or Steiner equipped rifle making incapacitating shots a 1.2km and being handy enough for MOUT is DARPA tier forward thinking. A lot of things need to happen before we can get to that.

less money needs to be spent on wunderwaffen and more needs to be spent on beaming training directly into marin's shriveled cortexes

>>34004307
>His whole argument is that the richest military in the world shoudn't just be barely better than dirt farming insurgents

In other words his is being intellectually dishonest for the sake of his Vietnam era PTSD.

>>34004320
>>34004385
Oh yeah, and now the USMC has renewed interest in the SURG, so now we have two branches that maybe want a full time suppressed maybe 6.5 rifle, that maybe has an Mlok rail with pic sections at the 3, 6, and 9, that maybe has a Hk416 style gas system.

Usually it's the air force or navy that gets to have this much fun requesting things that don't quiet exist yet.

>>34004336
But what if, bear with me for a second here, what if, I know this is hard for you but please try, what if we could redefine what the standard weapons of war are?

Instead of all these niche weapons for specific roles we could consolidate the capabilities of these weapons into just a couple of weapons that are able to fulfill the same objectives without having any drawbacks.

Take for example the common US weapons of WW2. An auto rifle, an MG, a battle rifle, an SMG, and a carbine. These weapons, although perfectly suitable for combat, were later replaced by a GPMG and a battle rifle(later an assault rifle) that could do all of the stuff the previous weapons could while simplifying cost and logistics among other benefits. This is a very similar situation here.

>>34004349
wrong

>>34004380
>rifle
LSAT might be ready soon? Or a SCAR-A2 or HK 433 in 6mm, and 1-10 variable scopes for everyone is definitely existing technology.

>smart scope
We use thermals and NODs that are heavy and have bad battery life do we not? I never said it's ready for general issue now. But it's in the right direction and it will be one day, soon.

>training
Training is great. But getting better tech and training are not mutually exclusive.

>>34004413
Don't forget .338NM MMGs.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/10271/u-s-special-operators-and-marines-want-a-new-long-range-machine-gun

I have to poop.