Traitor Gate Continues

For immediate release: May 1, 2017

Rock River Arms, Inc.® (RRA) wants to assure the Illinois (and national) firearms community that we are
still 100 percent opposed to the Gun Dealer Licensing Act - SB1657, the house version of the same bill,
and any potential final legislation that may come from those bills along with any other infringements on
the gun rights of law-abiding citizens everywhere.

For more than twenty years, Rock River Arms and Springfield Armory have actively opposed gun control
legislation at the local, state, and federal levels. In 2009, we partnered with other manufacturers to form
an organization geared towards representing our interests - The Illinois Firearms Manufacturers
Association (IFMA). Historically, that organization has done well in representing us in Springfield, Illinois.
We had no reason to believe that it was doing anything beyond representing the firearms community’s
(Illinois firearms manufacturers, dealers and gun owners) best interests, keeping us well-informed on
relevant legislation and issues, acting on our behalf. In the case of SB1657, there was a disconnect and
that representation was misguided.

While we do believe that IFMA acted in what it felt was the best interests of its members, we were as
shocked as everyone else to find ourselves exempted from provisions of SB1657 and that IFMA was no
longer opposing that bill, even though RRA still opposed it.
Again, Rock River Arms wants to emphasize (regardless of anything that may have been said or done,
mistakenly or otherwise, by any other party on our behalf) its continued total opposition to SB1657, the
Illinois House version of the bill and any final legislation that may emerge. This includes any provisions
found in Gun Dealer Licensing Act SB1657, along with any other threats that may infringe upon our gun
rights.

>>33826891
Notice they didn't fire the lobbyist. Not buying their bullshit.

>>33826883

Somebody give me the greentext Cliff notes on what happened

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>Springfield of all companies makes the gun I've wanted for years
>a small subcompact DA/SA 9mm
>cucks it up by funding anti gun bullshittery

I sincerely hope more companies like Sig or Beretta get onboard making their own single stack DA/SA 9mm's because I sure as fuck am not touching anything Springfield makes because of this shit. They can eat a dick for all I care and XDs are garbo anyways.

>>33826939
>bill up for vote in gun grabber paradise of IL
>would require anyone who transfers more than 9 guns a year to be licensed and all this other big government bullshit that would basically put all dealers out of business and fuck individuals as well.
>Springfield Armory and RRA bankroll a one-man lobbying group in the state
>lobbyist removes their objection to the law in exchange for an exemption for themselves and big box retailers.
>Their withdrawal of objection allows a few reps to vote for it who otherwise wouldn't.
>law passes by one vote.

>>33826970
I believe I can offer some insight:
>Trump and right wing now in power
>No panic buys
>Fewer sales at decreasing prices
>Quick, do something!
>Limit shit like a faggot to create left wing vibes and pressure
>Realize they dun goofed
Sad to see, but yeah. Trump is both good and bad for firearms in general. Great prices, but tomfoolery for us goyim.

>>33826995
Oh and this shit with the lobbyist and the deal he made happened in March.

So either RRA knew about it and hoped it would slide or they had no idea what their paid guy was doing. Either way they are culpable and can shove their statement up their own ass.

Springfield Armory has made no statement because they know they are fucked like S&W was in the 90s.

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>>33826995

Thanks, anon.

>lobbyist planning this for months
>Rra takes this long and lies and says they had no idea

They can die. This is perhaps even worse than SA. These weasely kike fucks think we're stupid

>>33827018
Lawls! It wasn't some James Bond villain plot. It was a business decision that it would be better to sell out gun owners and small shops in IL to stay in business in that state than to incur the costs of relocating to a free state. Hopefully they will not have to worry about it soon because they will be out of business.

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>>33826891
It doesn't fucking matter what these dick heads say, the vote only passed by 1 god damn vote. Your'e telling me they couldn't muster enough influence to sway 1 vote?

Instead of standing up and doing what was right for the firearms community, they opted to side with the government who would shut out the small community based stores and fuck the average, law abiding citizen.

They actively supported gun control becasue it benefited their bottom line and shut out a lot of competition and protected themselves.

>we were as shocked as everyone else to find ourselves exempted from provisions of SB1657 and that IFMA was no longer opposing that bill, even though RRA still opposed it

So they're going same way Hillary went with the old "It's not wrong becasue we are incompetent" excuse.

You are telling me that in your home manufacturing state, you weren't aware of a massive sweeping piece of firearms legislature that could have seriously hindered your ability to manufacture firearms?

Yeah, that's really fucking believable.

Now the SA announcement drops....timed very close together at end of business....

http://blog.springfield-armory.com/springfield-armory-statement-regarding-gun-dealer-licensing-act-sb1657

>>33826883
I'm still buying from Springfield Armory cause they make the M1A and I want one.

>>33827102
EHRMAGEHRD YOU GUYS HE WAS ILL-INFORMED YOU CAN BUY XDs AGAIN

>At the time of my initial statement to the media, I was ill-informed of the ramifications of this bill and its detrimental effects to the Second Amendment

>>33827107
Don't be a cuck you have other options.

http://www.fulton-armory.com/M14-M1A.aspx

If you have to buy SA at least buy a used one so they get no more monies.

>>33827120
If they are serious about it they can move to a free state.

They are throwing IFMA under the bus and know exactly what they did.

Pathetic.

>>33827120
How stupid do they think we are? It takes 10 minutes to read the bill and we're talking about a gigantic corporation that sells millions of dollars in firearms a year.

>>33827102
SA doesn't fire lobbyist either....may fuck be upon them. Statement is CYA bullshit just like RRAs.

>>33827153
They would be sued if they fired the guy for doing what he was told to do.

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Reminder to not visit TFB or give their shitty fucking channel views either.

>Advertise and go to NRA events
>Lol we stay out of politics guizee

Hope they fucking burn. God damn shills.

>>33826970
>what is the p239
>what is the p225

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Oh and if you have any doubt of TFB being paid shills here's a pic from one of their blog posts

Hopefully these pussy weasel kike fucks rot along with that fucking ugly greasy midget.

>>33827132
>Along with the FN-FAL and the AK-47, the M14 is considered to be one of the finest military rifles ever issued.

I really wish that were true.

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This is why everyone hates crayon eaters.

Funny, even with Alex gone he remains there in spirit.

Again people. If you are subscribed to TFB unsubscribe as soon as possible.

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Last one.

>>33827355
Yeah I'm gonna have to call shenanigans on this one. I could understand filing this under "politics" if it was just a story about the bill but this story is about the industry and the traitorous sacks of shit working to undermine it.

>>33827532
They are personal friends with the RRA guy and are literally springshit shills

See:
>>33827205

And:
>>33827383


Fuck this fat welfare queen midget

Why are you guys so angry about this? This is American democracy in action. A company is legally a real person, and such could lobby in his interest. Tough luck. Boycott? Pffffffft. Not when they have government and state agencies buying from them. Now you know why being bootlickers and rahrah government supporters is not in your best interest.

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RRA and SA deserve to go under for this treason. I do have to wonder wtf they were thinking.

>>33827596
This is shitty bait

>>33827647
SA has always struck me as a company that shouldn't exist, because they sell average garbage...but somehow they do because consumers are dumb. Let's be honest for a minute, though, the public has a collective amnesia about this kind of stuff and it'll blow over.

So do the slavs at Springfield take Bill Ruger's place as the most hated man in the gun industry?

>>33827596
There aren't enough govt and state employees to offset SA's losses if the newfags, tards and mallninjas stop buying XDs.

I swear to god Croatia is only able to keep its children alive because 350lb burgers riding mobility scooters taking up entire isles at mah local gunshow are buying XDs for their Serpa holsters they got on deep discount with the purchase of a concealed carry badge during the black friday sales.

>>33827201
Yeah because those two pistols are the same size as a Shield. Good job Einstein, you really have it figured out.

>>33827244
>Along with the FN-FAL and the AK-47, the M14 is considered to be one of the military rifles ever issued.

There that's better. And .45auto is objectively one of the cartridges of all time

>>33827775
The M14 is, and was always, garbage. It's not a good rifle compared to the FAL or G3.

>>33827743
Who the fuck honestly was buying XDs? I've never seen one at the range or anywhere else. They're ugly as fuck and objectively worse than the competition due to the grip safety.

I can't imagine why SA did this, but at least a company I give zero fucks about is getting it's ass reamed over doing something stupid.

>>33827755
>what is the CZ RAMI
>what is the Sig P938
>what is the Walther PPS
>what is the Ruger LC9

Also
>Springfield Armory
>"making" the xD

>>33827806
I see them at the range every once in a while.

>has no target stand uses a box or a political sign
>OC'ing in cheap wal-mart nylon holster with built in mag pouch
>chatty kathy running his mouth to anyone who will engage him
>at range for 1 hour fires 50 rounds

I honestly can't take anyone seriously as a gun guy if I know they own and carry an XD.

And honestly SA makes absolutely NOTHING that you can't get somewhere else. It will work out just fine if they go out of business to reinforce to the rest of the industry that your business will burn if you side with gun grabbers in the slightest way. We get to make a point but lose nothing of value with their passing. win-win.

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>>33827755
Do you actively carry right now? Because the practical difference between concealment between double and single stack is basically all in your head. Shooting them is not

>>33827782
Oh I'm aware. I wanted one for a long time, then I decided that if I were going to was throw money away for looks I could just get a mini and if I wanted a good rifle no could get a real M1

>>33827854
None of those are da / SA single stacks that are light and small.

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>>33827184
>>33827205
>>33827355
>>33827383
TFB is the absolute worst gun channel. I'd rather watch Yankee Marshall. It's like they really want to find out how HipsterSJW they can go without losing their entire audience.

>>33827875
Nigger they're literally all subcompact single stack DA/SA 9mm's.

>>33827742
S&W still haven't removed the damn Hillary holes.

>>33827806

Like >>33827856 said, idiot newfags.

You can tell exactly how much of an idiot somebody is the instant they tell you they either bought or are thinking of buying an XD in .40.

>>33827878
Most gun channels are shit famalam, steve1989 is the only semirelated based channel

>>33827893
only on some guns

>>33827890
>>33827890
Not him but
>double stack

>SAO

>striker fired

>DAO

>>33827878
James from TFB TV is GOAT

>>33827931
InRange is dope and I've been loving their recent content. Lucky Gunner has slick videos, and although he looks like a hipster, hasn't fucked up yet to my knowledge. I'll check out steve.

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>>33826883
Honestly what a shame I was looking forward to their EMP 4
Everything I was looking for in a cc 1911
>4in barrel
>bobtailed
Most importantly
>designed specifically for 9mm instead of a rechamber

>>33827727
This too
The average gun owner isn't a gun enthusiast
They probably have no idea

fuck, i bought a Springfield literally the day before this shit happened. returning it isn't really possible and probably wouldn't do anything, but now i have this treacherous piece of shit in my house

>>33828015
Same here. Probably just gonna build one now, unless I get an old commander 9mm. It won't be as trim, buy 9mm still works pretty well since it's a shorter distance between the cartridge and the chamber mouth compared to the .45. One of those odd circumstances where deviation from the original 1911 design isn't bad

>>33828072
No you have a gun made by people that gave a shit about their job. They just happen to work for a traitorous POS

>>33827184
I pretty much stick with PistolManiac100

>>33826912
this

>>33827743
hilarious, because it's true

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>>33828185
Here's what his wife looks like.

>>33828072
Try getting a $100 bill wraps for it. Claim it is a Hi-Point on the range. You'll get more love.

>>33827806
I'm about to buy an XD-S as my 3rd gun. They have the free holster and mag deal up. Good dead for $426

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>>33827782
>implying the FA(i)L was good

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>>33828603
That free holster won't properly display your CCW badge.

>>33828603
Kill yourself.

Can I get a tl;dr on this shitshow?

>>33826970
Get a CZ RAMI, that's what I immediately think of outside of Sig or HK. There's plenty of DA/SA subs around.

>>33828603
Treason is a valid reason for a concealed carry user to shoot you know.

>>33828633
Well damn. That's a huge con.

>>33828647
Read the thread tard there's a tldr greentext near the top.

>>33828633
Who the fuck is that supposed to fool? The "phone" is floating above the belt.

>>33827018
>Trump is both good and bad for firearms in general
Trump just went to the NRA, the first time since Raegan, and he put right wing supreme justice member in. You shouldn't try to blame him for what snake in the grass jewish companies do to make money. Obama was holding a town hall around this time last year about how he wanted to implement more gun control. Trump would veto any kike gun control bill.

>>33828412
I've seen worse

>>33828765
>Who the fuck is that supposed to fool?
Your average XD owner.

>>33827970
james yeager is goat you nigger

>>33827875
then get a walther p38 /p1 and find a gunsmithy to do the p38k modification to it where you chop the barrel down to the slide and put the front sight post into the slide instead of the barrel problem solved.

>>33827383
>I could care less
>Senior Writer
quality

breddy decent vid on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8Q-xNtwxig

>>33828947
So if they were opposed to this legistlation would they not get their exemptions?

>>33829032
Correct, unless they did not get affected by the law they did not want it. To sweeten the deal the other side made exceptions of companies based out of IL. Someone thought this would be a good profitable idea and did not think of the backlash.

>>33829032
I don't know how IL politics works. The bill as passed has their exemption in it. It still has to get through the house and get signed by the governor. Whether or not it can be amended at this point I don't know.

>>33829061
I honestly cant be very upset with them if they do what is best for their shareholders instead of trying to be a marytr for freedom and lose millions. The fucking communists in IL always seem to get their way as time goes by

>>33826995
>in exchange for an exemption for themselves and big box retailers

Do I understand this correctly?

It was a maneuver to fuck over competitors?

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>>33828454
>2017
>talking to randoms at the range

>>33829124
Looks like they were about to get fucked over and then were thrown a bone so they ran with it. Unless there were interaction from their lobbyist with legislators to write this law that i am not aware of

>>33829122
Yeah real great for their shareholders now that every honest gun owner will boycott them

Fuck off SA shill

>>33829122
>shareholders
Two privately owned companies fucking over an entire state for their own benefit...keep sucking that dick lol

>>33829122
The issue is they are looking to make more money by causing higher cost of other products to the consumer. Not by making a better item, getting tax cuts or some other shit. They are literally trying to make anything but they produce more expensive. Who does this hurt? All gun buyers in the state. It is a very shitty move.

It would be like Kia having a car plant in your state but making you pay an extra amount for any other brand but them. The Kia still cost the same as before but now you have to pay more for any other brand but them.

>>33827875
sig p239

>>33829140
> not having conversations with the guys next to you comparing the firearms you have brought
>casually discussing personal preferences
>maybe letting them put a few rounds through one of your guns if they think its cool and they let you do the same to one of there's

Thats half of the fun with going to range anon.

>>33828647
>IL state assembly proposes bill that states that Rey is the state waifu
>gun owners agree this is shit
>springfield and RRA were supposed to defend the state gun owners, but instead decided to shoot up in a Denny's bathroom

>>33829148
They could have taken the hit like Les Baer and moved out of that communist state years ago.

For the last few years many companies in the industry have been relocating to friendly states. Magpul, Remington and Beretta to name a few I can think of off the top of my head.

They chose to fuck people over instead of losing some money. That's their choice as a business. It's our choice as consumers to say fuck that and stop doing business with them.

>>33829148
The bill was going to FAIL until they dropped their opposition.

Once their toady cut the deal they dropped their objection which gave a few senators some cover to vote for it and then it passed by ONE VOTE.

FUCK THEM.

>>33829163
>>33829168
They wont lose near as much from gun forum fags being asshurt as they would from losing sales in IL. You are both being emotional like a woman

>>33829273
You are stupid if you think it's a minority boycotting.

Look at s&w and that was before the social media we have now

Time to die sa shill. Enjoy your bankruptcy faggot.

>>33829273
We'll see....I give it 6months to a year before they could hide a drastic loss of business. Since they are privately owned there won't be as much info public as there would be if they were public.

>>33829273
They wouldn't have lost anything retard.
The bill was DOA until they removed their opposition.
They fucked up and now they are going to burn for it.

>>33829338
Proof of this claim?

>>33829358
Go read the arfcom thread I'm not hunting through it to find what you want.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1988839_Springfield-and-RRA-make-a-deal-with-gun-banners-in-IL-.html&page=1

>>33829308
I was in class for my Florida CC (live in another state). Everyone was talking about Springfield and IL when one guy mentioned wanting to buy an XD.

Are there ANY American gun manufacturers that aren't fucking sellouts???

>>33829391
Sig, glock, FN, Beretta. Oh wait

>>33829391
ACHE KAY

They don't hate us, their country does

>>33829391
Ruger is GTG imo. It's a totally new beast since Bill died. Some oldfags who just can't let it go still boycott them but Bill is dead and his company makes AR-15s so....

Everyone at Daniel Defense pisses red, white and blue. So they have that going for them.

And Henry is solid. they just need to LEARN TO LOADING GATE.

>>33829371
>17 page long gun forum thread is proof 2 companies single handedly resurected dead legislation

>>33829122
See this would not have passed at all if they had stayed opposed to it, get the fuck out SA shill

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>>33827091
You can't just drop Nyasha on us. You can't just annex our hearts like that!

>>33829502
Why?

>>33829496
>Needed one more neutral to pass
>Firearm manufacturer lobby drops their nay when they get exemption
>Bill passes

Kill yourself faggot.

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>>33829391
Kel-Tec. They will keep making weird but good guns, and no one is going to stop them. If a company could have autism, it's them.

>>33829496
It's like RAGU "It's in there". Stop posting in this thread if you're not gonna do a modicum of research. Ain't nobody got time to spoon feed you.

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>>33827727
It took Ruger 20 years to recover after they made a similar kerfluffle. Tbh, the collective critical analysis of information is so fucking low at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if SA showed an uptick in sales because people just don't fucking read the news any more.

Also, Springfield's the SAINT is a fucking garbage entry-level AR-15 platform advertised as the "next best thing" in self-defense. It's a fucking mediocre truck gun for people who want to get their niece something to shoot her abusive ex-boyfriend.

>>33826883
I'm still gonna buy the scout m1a

>>33829514
The bill passed by one vote
It wouldn't have passed if SA and RRA had continued their opposition

>>33829552
I can shit post all i want and if you dont like it go cry to a mod

>>33829576
Okay thanks for answering the question

>>33829583
Does that work?

>MOM THIS GUY'S SHITPOSTING AGAIN
>waits for justice...

>>33827107
>buying cast shit

your receiver will stretch or crack by round 5000

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>>33829576
It's Illinois. Illinois legislation is trash. Illinois is a barely contained pack of niggers threatening to overrun an otherwise somewhat decent weed-growing Indiana.

>>33829566

You better be a Cuckafornia fag because that is the only legitimate reason to buy a modern M1A

>>33829600
I swear to god there is one guy in a basement somewhere with the most advanced AI the world has ever seen that alerts him when anyone posts anything about a cast firearm anywhere on the internet and he swoops in to shitpost.

It's like his thing man.

>>33829608
Whoa now. Hold on. That is Cook County & Chicago. The rest of us are cool. Seriously we would turn Chicago back into a swamp if it means taking those living there with it.

>>33829599
You just go MODS MODS MODS

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>>33829628
God I want to give you fuckers the benefit of the doubt. I really, really do. Can we get funding to build a wall around Chicago or simply funding for /k/ to buy ammo to clean it out?
>>33829635
==(USSR was banned for this post)==

>>33829615
Nope
Just need all battle rafius
M14, RFB and fal are the last ones

>>33829663
Chicago is a total loss, it has no value, some of the towns in Cook county can still be saved, but may not be worth it.

>>33829674
You have other options:

http://www.fulton-armory.com/M14-Rifles.aspx

If you have to have a SA at least buy used so they get no more monies.

>>33829695
Sometimes you have to remove some healthy tissue when you cut out a tumor.

>$50,000 Rock River Arms Colona IL 05/31/2016
>$50,000 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL 05/31/2016
>$50,000 Rock River Arms Colona IL 06/05/2015
>$50,000 Springfield Armory Geneseo IL 05/25/2015

https://www.opensecrets.org/527s/527cmtedetail_donors.php?ein=464628447&cycle=2016

Two years these companies have been paying one asshole called Jay Keller to be an "association" and do their bidding. But now all they got is "we dindu nuffin".

>>33829705
Forget Fulton armory prices
Sperg-field is cheaper and better quality.

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>>33829695
Plan:
Wall off Chicago
Let streloks enter as a test of courage and might taking only one gun and one knife.
Only the strong will survive.

>>33829784
If you give SA money by not buying a used one your pecker will fall off and then you won't be able to piss on people to assert your dominance.

You just think about that.

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>>33826883
>traitor
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmYWGemNl8o

Also, these companies kind of feel no name. I never heard of them before until now.

>>33827132
>$3000

yea, no thanks. I'll just stick with SA.

Best explanation yet on how this could have happened from an arfcom post:

"I think they're short sighted. I also suspect someone running those companies isn't a gun guy and isn't familiar with what happened to S&W. That looks to me like the work of some short sighted beancounters who run a firearms company but aren't gun people and don't know how they think. Instead of fighting &/or moving they chose to collaborate."

>>33829866
Poorfag detected. Buy a used SA then it's even cheaper and SA gets no money from the sale.

>>33829223
Rey is qt but I could never fug a feminist. Seeing the movie ruined any chance of a fap. Ever.

>>33829140
Nigga last time I was at the range I had a 3 hour long conversation about WW2 Japan and homebuilding ARs and parts kits, it was the best conversation ive had with a person outside of nuggetfest.
You're missing out, your local gun owners can be cool as fuck sometimes

>>33829802
Fund It.

>>33827727
Not only this, but the stuff they sell just isn't anything spectacular, or even theirs. The XD line of pistols is literally the Croatian made HS2000 that they import under license from HS Produkt and brand as their own. The M1A is pretty sub par compared to other .308 rifles at its price point. People only buy it because it looks cool, or because they don't know about the other options. Also, it's just a copy of a rifle (using foreign made parts) that was invented in the 50's, and isn't a design of their own. Name ONE gun that Springfield sells that is entirely their design (protip: you can't).

>>33828412
I was eating you asshole.

>>33829140
Last time I went to a public outdoor range I offered to help a man carry his stuff to the benches. I let him shoot my AR and Winchester 94 and he let me shoot his Mauser, Winchester 73, and M1 Garand.

>>33827184
>>33827878
I see nothing unreasonable in that screenshot you whiny fucking faggots.

>>33830014
>>33830242
i go to a free public range, the only shooting 90% of those fucks should be doing is into a kleenex

>>33830250
Kill yourself Patrick you manlet welfare queen shill.

>>33829273
Why is this forum suddenly being invaded by cancer like this?

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>>33830361
Reddit.

I am not even kidding. That's the majority of it.

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>>33829391
BCM.

Also, I know these aren't guys manufacturers, but honorable mention to Magpul and Silencerco. MP told the state of Colorado to fuck off instead of compromising. And silencerco almost singlehandedly started the American-Suppressor-Organization (pls donate) and the Hearing Protection Act.

>>33827755
but the Shield is S&W

>>33827184
>"staying neutral on a bill isn't the same as assisting ISIS"
>REEEEEE YOU SJW JEW FUCKS

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>>33830682
>tfw Colorado politicans made us lose out on magpul getting the USMC mag deal

>>33830750
>I'm going to strawman!

Read some of the other posts you dumb nigger

>>33830769

>>33830304

>>33830361
>forum

you're not fooling anyone

>>33829391
Serbu

>>33830833
But he's a nutter

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Bearing Arms is now shilling for SA and RRA. No doubt they don't want to lose their sponsorship/ad bux

https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2017/05/01/springfield-armory-rock-river-arms-oppose-gun-dealer-licensing-act/

>We're as shocked as anyone that we're now exempt from a bill and right after we're exempt our lobbyist went neutral and it passed!

Pay attention everyone. The traitors and shills are popping up all nice for everyone to see. Remember who your enemies are.

>>33829391
DANIEL MOTHERFUCKING DEFENSE.

They are MURRICA as fuck: the gun company.

>>33827893
>Hillary holes.
?

>>33833008
Revolver internal locks

>>33829122
Are you one of their shareholders by any chance?

>>33829274
>this post left literally the exact same minute
How organic and believable!

>>33827184
>terrorism isn't politics
Holy shit what a retard, why exactly do they think people launch those terrorist attacks, because they like blowing shit up?

>>33826883
ALL you faggots are getting mad at us over nothing. Springfield Armory has shareholders. By law, they are required to try and make as much money as possible. This would require them to try and care out an exemption in the laws

>>33833010
>Revolver internal locks
?

Sorry guys I'm noguns, not american and born in the 90s (just barely).

>>33833043
There is a lock right above the cylinder release latch that you can insert an included key into and turn to "lock" the gun. (Cannot pull trigger etc)


It is harmful as there are numerous reports of it activating on heavier recoil and locking the revolver up.

>>33833039
SA is a privately owned company you ignorant Reddit nigger fuck.

Kill yourself.

>Make as much money as possible

Oh boy wait and see what this does to your money little Springfield armory shill faggot.

>>33833045
How stupid, aren't their trigger locks that actually fit over the trigger and achieve the exact same purpose without that issue?

>>33833039
>t. Jay Keller
Get fucking bent faggot.

How's that going to work out with everyone and their brother not buying their products?
Just because they're now exempt from a bullshit law that, without their shirking, would've never gotten any father.
That doesn't mean they're not exempt from the backlash from selling the people who buy their products up the river.

>>33833052
I suppose. I wasn't around when they did all this back in the day and I don't get the point of an internal lock.

>>33833053
>any father
*farther

>>33833053
>hahahaha he thinks a boycott on a firearm manufacturer is going to work.
>2 months later
>"and we here at Springfield Armory are proud to donate 5% of profit from all firearms to blah blah blah" with american flag engraved versions of their guns coming out

All the fudds get on board, along with all the people that never cared at first, and the rest forget eventually, and still dont buy springfields cuz "muh grip safety"

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>>33830361
Cancer can't get cancer.

>>33826995
>>33827018
Fuck, man. And I used to like SA (Own an XD and XDs).
Now, on my "Never Again" List:
Cheaper Than Dirt, SA
...and on my "didn't before, but now not ever" list: RRA

>>33828603
XDs owner here.
I like it, but would have taken a S&W Shield in .45 if it was out when I got the XDs.
There are many other slim options out there, now (and in .45), if that's what you're after [I assume so, or there is no reason to be looking at an XDs, at all].
Hold a shield. WAY more ergonomic and comfortable to carry.
Just Sayin', that's all.
...Or be motivated by 4 magazines and an impractical paddle holster for your carry gun, when you only need 2 mags and will need to purchase another holster, anyway. Your call.

>>33829878
Well, there are multiple ways to learn.
Life is hard. Harder if you're stupid.

>>33833066
>must be new

Learn your history boy. Gun owners ran S&W into the ground before the networking capability of the internet was a thing. Their valuation got so low a lock company bought them for like 15mil or something ridiculous like that.

If SA can't somehow fix this(no idea how they could at this point) in the mind of gun owners they are gonna get loved tenderly.

>>33833039
>SAIDF PLS GO

>>33826970
Just buy the Croat surplus that the XD is based upon.

Shit just got real. PistolManiac100 weighs in!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2SN3F5eolo

>>33827244
It's working well so far for the Pinoys as they remove kebabs and commies in their lands. I know the Estonians got issued a batch of them for their home guard

>>33833249
>Croat surplus that the XD is based upon

The XD is more than "based upon" the Croatian HS2000; they are the same gun, still made in Croatia. Until recently Springfield wasn't even making 1911s in the US.

>>33828765
It would have made sense if it looked more like those hip carry phone cases that businessmen wear now a days

>>33833293
A colostomy bag would be even better.

>>33833281
Oh no, I'm not talking about the HS2000, its the PHP MV9 surplus that's cheaper than what Springfield's rebranded pistol by $200-300. It's one of Croatia's first made pistols and the grandpops of the HS2000. Then there's the HS9 which is would be considered the pops of the HS2000. For some reason, I'm finding the HS9 in aussie websites for sale than in US but you may find it in the secondary market

I'm gonna drop AKOU's vid in here for those who haven't seen it since he actually lives in IL. Hide yo kids his mouth gets foul!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsoj4kL0jQQ

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>>33827931
Despite the fact that you want to end the west, your taste in youtube channels is pretty...nice.

>>33827878
tfw I actually like TYM because he seems like a pretty cool dude and im from the PNW so theres some sorta strange kinship there
>Still wish he was as silly as he used to be but keeping that up has to get exhausting

>>33833547
Hopefully TYM does a video on this. Would be interesting to find out where he stands.

>>33833571
He barely mentioned it in his last podcast. I think he's waiting for some consensus on the facts before he goes all in. He is hardcore 2A though so he will do a vid on it sometime I'm sure.

>>33833059
its illinois. and chicago. no fathers. gotta be a local to really appreciate that one.

>We can now reveal that Springfield and Rock River have, through IFMA, donated tens of thousands of dollars to Illinois anti-gun politicians over the last several years."...

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/05/john-boch/springfield-armory-rock-river-arms-made-campaign-contributions-to-anti-gun-rights-politicians/

>>33834462
holy shit read that article there is some shady as fuck shit going on. They have been double paying that lobbyist guy using his real and one other name. And a shit load of unreported donations to motherfucking democrats which are actual crimes. I wonder how deep this rabbit shit hole goes.

>>33833068
The fuck happened in mid '14?

>>33834523
Fappening?

>>33829539
This is so true, after all, Chad is spending is time with that autist always talking about POU and shit.

>>33827205
I mean, you can just look at the giant "SPRINGFIELD ARMORY" banner ads on their site.

>>33834462
Well, now those statements released by SA and RRA are looking pretty silly!

>>33829391
Berrett, they wont sell to police deparments in states that don't let private citizens own berett 50 cals.

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>>33829494
Fuck Ruger too, forever. Hopefully Bill Ruger is getting fucked in his asshole with Satan's red hot dick for all eternity. Seriously though you faggots need to wake up. Within our lifetime we will be like the UK or Australia at best because kids are being indoctrinated at an early age that guns are bad, and they won't miss a right they never wanted. The only thing that will save your gunrights is bloodshed, and there are so many bootlicking statists in the firearms community that you will likely go down alone and labeled a terrorist. It's over.

>>33834822
I have to agree with him, Ruger is okay now since Bill died. Going to get a Ruger American compact for my new cc.

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>>33833068
>tfw eternal summer of '12 still hasn't ended.
>tfw it's only gotten worse.
We can never go back, can we?

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>>33827890

The p938 is a single action pistol...

I went over to mine just now to check... yup it's single action alright.

Retard.

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>>33834862
>company supports or puts up no defense against massive gun legislation
>20 years later after the damage is done forever and there's even further legislation on the table, they are somehow exonerated of all their fuckery
>ooh, looky, they are selling a gun I like that most likely I won't be able to pass down to my kids and will not even be legal to be buried with me when I die

You are part of the problem. Fuck EVERY FUCKING GUN LAW AND THOSE WHO ARE FOR THEM. Our founders would have hung them for treason.

>>33834862
I'll never buy another Ruger. Traitors should be devastated. They shouldn't even be able to hope to be able to sale their name should they violate the 2A

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>>33834865

2012? Fuck that man look at how insane it jumps at 2014-2015.

That being said I miss it too.

>>33835036
The price was paid, and the lessons were learned. How hard of a concept is it to understand that Bill is dead, and the people who replaced him act nothing like him. You are literally using the same logic people use when they call for reparations for slavery.
>Something happened in the past, therefore this other guy is responsible for it.

>>33835036
You cant just hate a company forever
The whole point of "voting with your dollars" is to get the company to change.
Its not about holding a grudge the rest of your life after the company has completely changed.

And so it begins....

>In response to Springfield Armory and Rock River Armory's selling out of our Second Amendment rights in exchange for Illinois state anti-gun regulatory exemptions and their support of anti-gun legislators, Gunway will immediate liquidate our Springfield and Rock River inventory, at cost, across our two locations and donate all proceeds to the NRA-ILA to fight for our Second Amendment rights. "We sell thousands of firearms per year between our two gun shops and ranges and the number of firearms we sell will increase dramatically with our planned growth this year," states Dan Hall, CEO of Gunway, "We categorically denounce Springfield and Rock River's actions. We will no longer stock their products in our stores."

>>33835373
>Liberty Guns & Ammo in Homer, IL, one of my favorite local gun shops, is hosting a "Sell-out Sell-off". All Springfield and Rock River product are on sale at dealer cost. While supplies last, as there will be no re-orders

http://www.gunssavelife.com/liberty-guns-sell-sell-off-springfield-armory-rock-river-products-cost-gone/

>>33835149
Fucking this.

>>33835183
>>33835230
Where has Ruger "paid the price"? They've not somehow got the California assault rifle shit repealed, they've not gotten rid of the NFA or ATF. And before you say it's not their burden on their ability to do so, they should have thought about that before they pulled that fucking stunt. Do you understand how incredibly hard it is to undo gun legislation? Look at shit like Lautenburg, if your gf just says you tried to hurt her you're a "wife beater" and unable to buy a gun forever. Or the closed machine gun registry. Or fucking California. And there are people on this fucking board right now who support this shit. Fuck them, and fuck Ruger and any other traitors.

>>33835429
>before they pulled that fucking stunt
"they" is Bill Ruger and he's dead jim. No one in his family is running Ruger. It's totally different people who have been VERY pro 2A.

Just like we have to punish those who work against us, we have to reward those who learn their lesson and change their ways. The carrot works as well as the stick to get us the kind of companies we want.

Well, well, well gentlemen look who's been a piece of shit for a lot longer than we though...

>Prosecutors cleared the way for the indictment last month when Dennis Reese, president of Springfield Armory Inc. of Geneseo, Ill., who alleged arranged the payoffs, pleaded guilty to lesser charges and agreed to cooperate with investigators

http://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/03/16/Salvador-based-Army-colonel-indicted-on-bribery-charges/5406606027600/

>>33835429
Bill is dead, get over it.

>>33835467
>they is Bill Ruger.
"They" is anyone who was associated with that company at that time. If it's not the same company than they should stop trying to use their worthless fucking name and call it something else.

>Reward those who learn their lesson and change their ways
Kind of like reformed felons of white collered crimes? Oh wait, they still have had their rights stolen from them. Companies like this should pay the appropriate price for their fuckery, which is eternal shame and removing 2 gun control acts for every 1 that they were for before they are forgiven.

The gun business should be not just a way for these fucks to make a buck off us and shit on us when it suits them. It should be a lifetime commitment to the cause and those who do so will be rewarded with wealth if their product is quality.

>>33835646
>doesn't understand half the value of the company IS the name.

Keep raging fudd. No one who was running Ruger back then is in charge of shit there now. They make AR-15s for fuck's sake.

If you wanna rage over something rage over the fact that S&W still has hillary holes.

Ruger is clean. Here endeth the lesson.

>>33835562
Wew lads. Springfield Armory cannot stop fucking up hard.

>>33835646
this is right
>>33835668
Hey check it out, Germany is clean. They are good. They should just go back to being called the 3rd reich. Its not the same management.

The point is, you make an example of fuck ups. You dont honor the name. Ruger, that shitty logo. It was the dynasty of an asshole who sold out. Same as colt, same as S&W, same as many, many others. They die, so others can take their place.

Wanna know why "fuds" are so mad? Because they got dicked, dicked hard when you were still sucking at a tit. This isnt anything of my age or yours. Just a fact that the old timers have seen this shit happen once, and here you are "Oh its all fucking ok. No big deal"

Man its a huge fucking deal. you gonna keep being friends with someone who fucks your girlfriend just because he is so damn nice?

Fucking cuck.

What to do with my XDs? Bought it on sale two years ago for slightly under $400 just because. Now I feel dirty having it in my truck console.

>>33835699
That someone who fucked your girlfriend would be dead
Ruger is not like what it once was

>>33835699
Why haven't you paid your slave reparations you fucking hypocrite!

lol poor bait is poor go shitpost somewhere else.

>>33835732
Give them to your local police department. Claim they have been used in a crime of taking away your 2nd amendment rights.

>>33834523
Fappening and gamergate. The next spike is in 2015 when the race for the presidential nominations begins.

>>33835732
No reason to sell them really as SA already got ur money, but if you do sell them you can feel good knowing that someone who might have bought a new gun will instead buy your cheaper used one so SA loses out on a sale.

>>33835771
The ZimZam trial brought in some normies as well.

Oldfag gives his thoughts and talks about the parallels with the S&W situation. Should be good for newfags who weren't around then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0yJ1q3I8QU

>>33835828
Not really, though it did shuffle existing users to new boards. Namely to /pol/

>>33835740
No, it's the fucking kid your gf had after she was fucked who you're supporting, whether the bull is dead or not. Face it you are all cucks and you will get the future you deserve.

>>33835970
Care to explain this again, but without the buzzwords?

>>33835988
He's trying to say if you're white you owe black people money because dead white people hundred of years ago used to own them.

>AKOU gets mad
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tsoj4kL0jQQ

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>>33835754
Your argument is a massive failure. Like you. No where is there a comment of reparations. Now I am pretty sure you are part of that whole "antifa" bullshit ive read about, with members talking about raiding the "right wing boards" to include /k/

>>33836040
It's not about the reparations it's about imputing people WHO HAVE NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE INFRACTION.

Now stop fucking up this thread about two ACTUALLY CURRENT traitor companies and their shenanigans. I swear I'm starting to think you're a fucking paid shill trying to dilute the seriousness of the current situation with your bullshit. either way I'm done engaging you. Troll someone else.

>>33835988
Ok. STOP BEING A KEKOLD AND SUPPORTING GUN COMPANIES WHO HAVE IN THE PAST OR PRESENTLY ARE SUPPORTING GUN CONTROL LEGISLATION OF ANY KIND.

>>33836016
You keep derailing the thread and intentionally misleading people to believe that people who don't want to reward cocksuckers who destroy our rights is the same as supporting reparations for blacks. Fuck you, Ruger shill, take your worthless 10-22 and ar and shove them up your ass, faggot

It's super interesting watching the recently released videos on youtube with the "springfield armory" keywords. The shill channels are outright labeling themselves as such left and right. It's breddy good education on who has principles.

>>33829267
That's what I don't get. Why wouldn't the lobbying group just remain opposed if they knew it'd fail? What do Springfield and RRA gain by this bill being passed and being exempt, as opposed to the bill not passing at all?

>>33836040
Point being, don't punish those today for sins of yesterday when those of today have nothing to do with it.

Ruger, since Bill died, has done a 180 and produces the scary salt weapons with gun supporting higher ups. The time of beating Ruger with a stick is over, now that they've changed and need a carrot to continue such behavior. This is very basic behavior modification, and it applies to companies as well.

The current situation with SA and RRA is to beat them hard with a stick, as this goes well beyond scary salt guns on the 90s/00s. If they wish to be in good graces, they'll need to overhaul their higher ups.

>>33836094
They gain a competitive advantage in IL. And if somehow it did pass against all odds they would have lost a bunch of money having to comply.

>>33836094

Cut business opponents off at the knees.

>>33836110
>>33836116
What opponents? Other illinois gun makers? I would think the potential boycotting would have made them reconsider this

>>33836137
I don't think they had one single thought that there would be any repercussions from this. I think they got so used to swimming in the cesspool that is IL politics that the idea of anyone having principles beyond their own bottom line is not something they can comprehend.

Their statements basically confirm they have no fucking idea the level of shitstorm they have created.

>>33836164
And given that people are now digging further, it's looking like they're a kid with not just their hand in the cookie jar, but their hole fucking arm.

>>33826883
>somethingsomethingGATE
How to tell if something is worth paying attention to in a single word.

Stop being a faggot. The Watergate scandal was named for the Watergate Hotel. This habit of naming every minor scandal X-gate is fucking pants-on-head retarded, and you should feel ashamed of yourself for propagating it.

>>33836087
>STOP BEING A KEKOLD AND SUPPORTING GUN COMPANIES WHO HAVE IN THE PAST OR PRESENTLY ARE SUPPORTING GUN CONTROL LEGISLATION OF ANY KIND.

Great idea
You browbeat a company into never supporting anti 2nd amendment legislation ever again. But then you refuse to support the companies who have changed to what you want them to?

Sound idea

>>33836187
I agree it's a silly name, but this is important to the firearms community

>>33833039
Exactly what law is it that says that they have to make as much money as possible? It's a social agreement that they do that, otherwise shareholders would be suing every company that makes a bad decision ever.

>>33836246
>firearms community
literally no one is talking about this except on here and some rando youtube channels who are neutered by google anyway

>>33836312
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1988839_Springfield-and-RRA-make-a-deal-with-gun-banners-in-IL-.html&page=20

http://thegunfeed.com/

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/springfield-armory-rock-river-arms-no-more-for-me.820876/

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/springfield-armory-and-rock-river-arms-drop-their-opposition-to-a-gun-control-bill-for-a-carve-out.820913/

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/ (find the related articles and read the comments

http://www.gunssavelife.com/liberty-guns-sell-sell-off-springfield-armory-rock-river-products-cost-gone/

https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=786226

http://www.smithandwessonforums.com/forum/news-links-forum/105665-springfield-armory-sells-out.html

https://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/332730-Springfield-Armory-and-Rock-River-sell-out-IL-gun-owners

https://www.ingunowners.com/forums/legislation-2nd-amendment/436055-rock-river-springfield-armory-sold-out-our-neighbors-illinois.html

I could go on and on and on and on. the genie is out of the bottle on every site gun owners congregate.

The shitstorm headed for SA and RRA is gonna make what happened to S&W before the internet look like a shit droplet.

>>33835373
Lot of good that does considering the NRA wont say a word unless people start hurting them for not hurting SA or RRA. They also endorsed that bitch in FL who ruined open carry and haven't said a word.

Fuck the NRA.

>>33828766
>trump would veto any kike gun bill
You keep saying that. The man's a New York democrat who's pro-AWB, and always has been. Or are we just going to handily forget the fact that he supported Hitlery Clinton all those years ago?
Fuck off, CTR. Your shills might've gotten /pol/, but they won't convince /k/.

>>33836408
NRA is irrelevant just like they were during the S&W debacle. The gun rags(NRAs included( shilled for fucking months trying to get gun people back on board with S&W. Didn't work.

Anyone with half a brain knows the NRA at this point is a for-profit company and not the civil rights organization they should be. Gun owners are by nature some of the most self-reliant people in this county.

We shall endeavor to persevere.

>>33836415
>CTR supporting Trump
Wew

>>33836464
>CTR not supporting trump
5 cents for you my good lad
now run along and keep trying to convince everyone that he's not a false flag set up to make the right look like bullheaded retards and ensure a democrat win in 2020
here's a hint; nobody's gonna believe you

>>33833084
what's wrong with cheaper than dirt?

>>33836190
>Oops I accidentally your whole 2nd amendment
>Oh shit, scary salt rifles still around, want to buy some from me while you still can get them? See, "moldy labia" "come and take them" "pro2a lel"
>See we're good now, guys!

Yeah fuck off, Ruger. Like I said, fixing the problem and road to forgiveness would be them funding the lawyers it would take to petition the government to remove the legislation they helped to enact. Not making more fucking money.

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>>33836484
Fuck off back to /pol retard

>>33836496
After sandy hook they jacked up their prices and cancelled people's orders that got them in before the increase so they could sell at higher prices. Nothing as bad as SA and RRA they are just basically profiteering assholes.

>>33836484
Now this is someone serious reverse shilling, Shareblue

DINDU NUFFIN PART DEUX ELECTRIC FUCKALOO:


After further review, Rock River Arms, Inc.® (RRA) is immediately severing all ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). We feel that IFMAs integrity is compromised and we will notbe a part of the organization. We trusted that contributions and resources provided to IFMA by RRA were
being used to promote and uphold our 2nd Amendment values. IFMAs actions have destroyed that trust.

For more than twenty years, RRA has actively opposed gun control legislation at the local, state, and federal levels. We have supported and provided monetary and product donations to multiple pro-gun organizations including NRA, NSSF, ISRA and countless others. We have attended rallies and spoken at educational events on behalf of gun owners rights. Our employees have collected signatures, written letters and e-mails, called legislators offices, as well as attended events, meetings and hearings in
Springfield, Illinois.

What we learned, however, was that we are better at manufacturing firearms and accessories than playing political games at the state capitol. So, we began to utilize the services of lobbyists, first through other organizations and then in 2009, we partnered with several other manufacturers to form IFMA.

Prior to our further review, we believed that the organization had accurately represented us. We feel that IFMAs actions have compromised its integrity. While their actions may be standard practices at the capitol, backdoor politics and convoluted deal-making are counter to the way we do business and lead
our lives.

I sincerely apologize for my lack of direct engagement in IFMAs governance and subsequent actions, as well as the abandonment gun owners are feeling.

https://www.rockriverarms.com/images/pdfs/RRA_Stmt217.pdf

>>33836496
Had a sale, people ordered, they cancelled and raised prices.

That's the basic jist of it, can't remember the fine details.

>>33836526
>>33836518
>t. jews getting antsy that their divide and conquer isn't working
you think i'm gonna fall for your 'muh communists vs nazis' shit?
fuck off you kikes, your plan's fucking transparent and anyone with half a brain can see what you're doing

>>33836506
Bill Ruger literally has nothing to do with Ruger anymore and hes fucking dead you God damn sperg.

>>33836533
The people who run IFMA are the same people that lead SA and RRA. Fuckers got caught, and the more they keep digging that hole, the more people are finding out their dirty laundry.

>>33836533
>we partnered with several other manufacturers to form IFMA.

BLATANT LIE. Only other partner in IFMA was SA. May fuck be upon them.

>>33836539
>5 cents have been deposited in your account
Nice try Shareblue

I keep searching armslist near me for deals on SA firearms, not seeing any. So i guess people aren't THAT ready to get rid of their products.

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>>33836575
>oy vey goy ignore the nose behind the curtain!
>i-id's dah stormfronters and shareblue you gotta worry about!

>>33836589
>using /pol/ maymays
Try harder shill

>>33836588
There's really no reason to sell a gun you already have unless you're just an emotional bitch. SA already has your money from that gun. Now you could rationalize selling it by the idea that someone looking to buy that gun would buy your cheaper used one instead of a NIB gun so then SA gets fucked out of a sale. But that's the only reason I can see to sell right now.

>>33836604
>t. JIDF

everyone knows you faggots are the ones supporting the so called neo-nazis and the cardboard commies

>>33836552
Ok then stop riding his fucking garbage legacy and renounce his name and his shit life. Start a new company and pay the price of being a cocksucker. You and Springfield are about to get fucked.

>>33836496
What anons already said about cancelling orders. After that they jacked up the prices of AR mags to $99.99, no joke. A screencap exists but I don't have it.
>fuck CTD, don't give them shekels

>>33829391
barret, like someone else mentioned they refuse to sell guns to or service and repair guns that police departments own in california if they are something which the average californian citizen cant get due to faggotry laws

>>33836647
You are retarded Ruger isn't getting fucked at all. Ruger already paid the price and they're now publicly traded, so did S&W.

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>>33836496
they have shit customer service, invent their own laws, conduct illegal business transactions like cancelling your orders then jacking up the prices on those same items

>>33836656
I should probably look to get a 9mm from Beretta soon.

>>33836615
/pol/ you can stop pretending to be /k/
You'll never understand "Shall not be infringed"

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>>33836496

>>33836679
hey Shawn

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>>33836672
>>33836672
BARRETT, as in the big ass huge 50 cal sniper rifle maker. not the italian cuck pistol brand that makes a 44magnum sized 9mm pistol
https://barrett.net/firearms/model82a1

>>33836674
>t. 'rights for me not for thee' """alt-right""" member

>>33836670
>((publicly traded))
I pray to God every day that all of these fucking traitorous scum companies fucking tank. Just to let anyone know when you come into the gun industry you are with us 100% or you need to gtfo. ALL gun legislation is 100% unconstitutional, schlohmobergstein.

>>33836692
are you naming african children now?

>>33836714
God you are autistic.

I'm even against forced background checks so stop acting like I'm anti 2a. I will buy Ruger with no regrets now.

>>33836714
You should get out more. There's a reason why tit-for-tat generally gives the best results when it comes to relations. You don't seem to understand it.

>>33834822
You punish those who sin, but you also reward those who repent. If you don't, then there's no reason why they *would* repent, and they'll just keep sinning.

Also, a couple of deep blue state outliers aside, support for gun control has been steadily dropping for decades. The high water mark was the AWB in the early 90s - while we still have to be vigilant, it's unlikely that we will see anything close anytime soon, at least not on a federal level.

>>33836733
i used to be anti ruger for the same reasons mentioned above until i learned they dont give a shit about what ruger himself thought was good enough for "civilians". its a different company with pro 2a people in charge now. they make quality shit, if not a bit beefy and overengineered. but ive never heard a complaint that a ruger firearm was too delicate or weak

>>33836733
>>33836750
>>33836772
>>33836779

Stop feeding the troll. Get back on topic. FUCK SA AND RRA.

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>>33836819

>>33826912
They don't need to can him tho, they can just tell him that this shit is bad, and to not pull this kind of thing.

>>33827931
Cokeman for life.

Linking to today's news to cut through all the shills and /poltards attempts at diluting the issue.

And cause the kiddos are home from school now and need to know what they missed.

>>33835373
>>33835386
>>33835562
>>33835798
>>33836533

>>33836998
Twang N' Bang claims to have insider information about this that concerns the lobby, we will see if he's defending SA because it sounds like he is.

>>33837016
Well considering that we know for a fact the lobby consists of the CEOs or SA and RRA and one paid lobbyist it will be interesting to see how he tries to spin it.

>>33837016
Twang n bang is a total shill channel so I wouldn't be surprised. The cunt uses fancy camera work to do ad pieces on shit companies send him to blow.

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>>33837060
He definety comes across as a shill

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>>33837074
This idiot doesn't realize the other members of the IMFA ARE Chuck Larson (RRA) and the Reese family.

Fuck this dumb fat hick cuck. Random people on Arfcom know more than him.

>>33837074
>the other members of the IFMA

DENNIS REESE (SA)
TOM REESE (SA)
JAY KELLER (their lobbyist)
MARK LARSON (RRA)
CHUCK LARSON (RRA)

>>33837074
>Other IFMA members
But SA and RRA are those members

>>33836733
Bro you can buy whatever, not autistic to have a set of values about one of the most important aspects of being an American. You're being incrimentally supressed and the reason why companies like SA and RRA do shit they do is because in a few years you'll forget it just like you do with Ruger. They know all they have to do is have a $500 cuck edition AR or something and everyone is like "ok all is forgiven". But when every state in the Union is like California and Chicago, you'll be wishing you hung these faggots in the streets before you were left to defend your home and family with your dick in your hand.

>>33837100
>>33837098
>>33837096
Go tell him that, see how he responds

>>33837101
I'm done responding to this derailing.

Ruger has nothing to do with gun control now and haven't for decades and decades it's not even the same company anymore. You're a fucking retard.

>>33837114
What video is that comment on? I'll reply to that post with it. Hate this cuck.

>>33837124
I'm telling you he's a SA or RRA shill sent in here to dilute the issue. Just ignore anyone trying to muh ruger boycott!

>>33837134
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ugOfgv0_c30

>>33834808
>>33836656
Didn't their customer support help soldiers in a firefight once?

>>33837293
Yeah, the marines bent the receiver ears and the CS guy told him to use another part of the gun to bend them back.

>>33837206
Ha! someone called him on his shit and now the comment is gone. The shills are on the run boys!

>>33837354
oh nm it's still there I'm a tard.

>>33837124
Doesn't matter. It should be razed to the ground.

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>>33829391
I see a problem with the answers to this question: what sells a shitload of useful guns and has a clean sheet? I'm counting out ruger because imo once you fuck up you are not clean. I think the only way to teach them is once a guy like Bill fucks up, kill his company by boycott amd make them start again. You can save some money buying their ar55shit if you want but I assume two things:

1. Rahowa: you're going to want a step up from bargain shit anyways
2. No Rahowa: we're eventually going to want to straighten out our suppliers, so really leverage social media to get them in line.

This said, most of the things I see here are niche or expensive. Who domestically is making good 9 and 45 carry pistols, good affordable 12ga, good affordable bolt action 308, and good affordable semi autos of any rifle caliber? I'm talking good like 6920 or bcm is good for an ar, not like dd is good. And better than psa ars or leltec pistols.

>>33835230
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>>33835740
>>33836100
>>33836552
>>33836670
>>33836772

> They killed my dog, but I have a new one now that I paid for out of pocket. If I don't let it go, how will they know to not kill my dog again?

How the hell did shooting guns make you such cucks? You punish traitors before enemies, and the only good punishment is replacement. No one will respect you until you are willing to be that hard, plain and simple. And no the sin does not die with the owner, the sin is yours for capitulating...

>>33837621

So take a lesson from
>>33834822
>>33835036
>>33835149
>>33835429
>>33835646
>>33836087
>>33836116
>>33836647
>>33836714

And quit cucking. Or go back to leftypol and cuck to your hearts delight.

Anyone notice the only people doing anything right now aren't even talking about what SA and RRA are doing, as if to distract from what is going on NOW?

>>33837726
There's this retard itt shilling about Ruger even though Ruger isn't even the same company anymore and he's trying to derail hard.

>>33837754
Exactly. Anyway, any further news about SA or RRA? Any further dirt dug up today about how shady the two companies are? Additional responses from vendors and the like?

>>33837777
Most recent is the exposed donations to anti gun politicians that the IMFA did. Thousands to anti gunners in IL.

One vendor in IL is selling rra and SA at cost and one in FL is doing the same. No big gun dealers have responded to my knowledge.

new thread

>>33837436

>>33833258
>ROCK ISLAND
What a tard.

>>33837451
browning? they make some pretty solid long guns, but their pistols are still riding the reputation of the OG hi-power

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>>33833039
IT'S PRIVATELY OWNED YOU DUMB NIGGER

>>33835732
private sale if you truly can't stand owning one anymore
otherwise just keep using it and wear everything out

>>33829391
PSA? I mean their CS is shit but I dont think they've ever sold out to the antigun lobby.