/meg/ - Military Enlistment General

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Can someone tell me about Air Force SOWT? What's their job like? Training? How easy is it to get a SOWT contract as prior service? Thanks in advance.

So I forgot to ask for the airborne option when getting my contract because I was stupid. Is it still possible to get an airborne slot during AIT if I'm a PT stud by then?

>>33817184

Don't do it if you're the intel guy. It would pull you out of strat life, and getting airborne later on wouldn't net you a bonus. 4k isn't enough money to be worth altering your whole lifestyle.

>>33817123

I don't know much about it other than that they are required to perform at CCT and PJ standards. If I were to guess, I'd say that they make calls about when flight conditions are acceptable and when the window for aircraft to come in and out is open or will be.

>>33817202
Yes I am the intel guy, I've been talking to my recruiter whom is also an intel guy. He mentioned that going airborne would help me be more likely to get into a tactical unit, which would result in more deployments which would look better on my resume if I wanted to go to an alphabet agency later on. Not sure how true that is really or if it's even worth it.

>>33817259

It would help with the CIA, but would be about the same to the NSA.

>>33817078
>fuck pogs edition
i know pogs that have seen more action than most rangers

>>33817278
It's a meme, bro.

>>33817278

Fuck pogs is an ironic slogan that is repeated hilariously by people who don't understand it which incidentally triggers those who don't understand it.

>>33817278
getting deployed once every 2 years to cook chow and drive LMTVs in ambush bait escort formations isnt really action

hell even most 19 series spend their entire career sitting in motorpools trying to think of reasons why they shouldnt go kill themselves, and theyre the least POG of all POGs

>>33817335

So you're basically describing grunts?

>>33817335
being a 50 cal gunner in a convoy going into and out of the middle of fallujah in 2004 almost everyday isnt action i guess

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Not enlisting since I am already in a Europoor army but I have a few questions for any Americans who are in the service.
Does the US armed forces employ specific close protection platoons and what gear do they use, also which guys handle countersabotage and counterterrorism for you and how do they normally operate.

>>33817965

I don't know specifics, but CI, intel, and some SOF elements handle those functions jointly.

>>33817965

Who does it in your military?

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When I graduate AIT will I get choices regarding what unit I get to go to? For instance, will I be able to pick the fort and or type of unit (airborne, Stryker brigade, infantry or BFIST?

>>33817965
ISIS get off of my chinese doodle board

>>33817078
Just got told I'll need a waiver for ROTC at my school. One of my eyes corrects to 20/40 but has a -2 next to it. "Distant visual acuity doesn't correct to an acceptable standard." Enrollment officer said if he had to guess, he doesn't think it will be accepted.

Feels bad man.

Should I join enlisted or try for OCS after school?

>>33817078
Successfully was selected for Army OCS. Ship off to basic on May 23rd. OCS starts on August 7th.

My APFT score is between 290 and 300.

How competitive to branch Field Artillery? That is my top pick.

>>33818977
one eye corrects to 20/40 at best? Shit nigga you blind. I think that puts you on a 3 on the PULHES at best and that's will indeed disqualify you for most jobs even for enlisting. look at the charts to see where you end up and what jobs would allow it.

How do I into Army Sniper? I'm a good shot, and I plan on joining as an 11B.

Is platoon leadership course a good Idea, I'm in good shape, 3.9 economics, involved alot in campus though my SGA and fraternity, and I always wanted to serve in the Marine corps through any ground or aviation means, I was wondering if any one here could help me understand the overall process since I have always been cautious about what recruiters tell me.

>>33818793
fuck no snake

>>33819073
not really competitive from what I've heard. Top 3 most competitive are Aviation, Infantry, and Intel in that order, there is also some weird stuff you can do to get better odds of infantry.

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I want to enlist in the Air Force, but my only fear is getting through my 8 weeks of BMT to get assigned out in the middle of nowhere.

Ogden, Utah? Great Falls, Montana? Minot, North Dakota? I'd go fucking stir crazy.

>>33819430
Do it, some farm nice girls out there in the middle of nowhere

>>33817965
YES COMRAD

>>33819430
don't worry, the shittier the location the better the MWR

>>33819448
That's the dream. A shy conservative qt

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tfw when your biggest dream was to be a UH60 pilot like your father but your eyesight is 20/70 and not the 20/50 the army requires, just end it pham

>>33817267
Not true exactly... the CIA has desk intel jobs

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>Once I get out of training, I'll have $8,000+ saved up

I want to get into HUMINT, should I:
A: Finish my PsyD in clinical psychology at a bachelors level and then do a two year linguistics/nco school.
B: Finish my PsyD, do one year of practice and then attempt to get into HUMINT.
C:Same as B, but try to learn a critical language during my PsyD, if so, which language?

I also have experience as a cav scout if thats relevant.

Going to meps in a few days, I haven't smoked in a month. Do they drug test you between meps and bmt?
t. NEET who misses his /medicine/

Thinking about joining the Navy. I'm graduating from undergrad next year studying Math at a top 5 Math school with a 3.7 gpa. Aside from loving America and wanting to serve my country, I think it would really help with applying to business schools after my tour of duty. I see intelligence officer is a possible path, does anyone have any advice about that? Or any other career in the military that would be a good fit for me?

>>33821153
have you considered going nuke?

Thinking about joining the ADF. Should I get a degree before enlisting or not? Planning on going in as infantry and see how far I can go.

>>33821442
Depends on how fucked of an experience you want.

>>33819073
How competitive is Army Ocs right now?

>>33821770
To get selected I mean

>>33821442
its a long waiting list m8 so you better join asap. ive got my enlistment in july for rifleman

>>33817078
I tried enlisting at 20 and couldn't because a domestic (sibling fight) I got in when I was 18. I'm about to be 29 so it's been 10+ years since that charge, I can get it expunged from my record, I think I'd be an even better fit now, I'm still in decent shape, and I still want to go. What do y'all think are my chances of getting a waiver now as opposed to then? GED w/ 15 and I got a 97 on the ASVAB way back then.

Has anybody been busted for not disclosing at MEPS? My recruiter is telling me not to disclose a misdiagnosis I had as a kid that was corrected, because it couldn't possibly get a waiver. What do?

>>33822027
Also, what's it like being MP or infantry in the guards? What's drill and AT like? My recruiter has been really vague about it.

>>33822035
Guard*
Fuck

Is the prospect of commissioning over enlisting if I have a college degree too much to sacrifice in terms of benefits if I don't want to deal with all of the nepotistic bullshit, networking, and military politics that come with it?

>Enlist in DEP, don't ship for another month
>Attend a wedding
>Extended family/friends thank me for my service
>Go to concert
>"This one goes out to our men and women overseas"
>Everyone starts patting me on the back
>Go to baseball game
>National Anthem
>Dad says he's proud of me

wtf man I just wanna shoot guns

>>33822027
>Has anybody been busted for not disclosing at MEPS?

Nope. Had gallbladder out and tumor removed from ear canal when I was in high school. Went through MEPS and ended up getting a TS/SCI and absolutely no one cared.

>>33822519
Stop. You'll have plenty of time to feel like shit when people thank you for your cervix when you get out.

>>33822459

You don't avoid that as enlisted. You still have to politic if you want to make rank eventually.

>>33822459
You don't avoid that, but if you enlist despite having the ability to commission there will be some serious questions asked about why you avoided the latter.

Commission. There really is no reason to avoid it.

>>33817123
It's gotta be tough considering there is only 100 in the entire branch

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I am considering getting into the ROTC but i haven't started school yet. Do i have i go to the college ROTC enrollment officer first or i can get pertinent information at the Army career center? Obviously the former is better, but the career center is closer to where i work and i could go tomorrow, college might take me a few more days until i have the time.

Also where are better chances to become active? doing ROTC now or OCS after i graduate?

Sorry if those are stupid questions...

Is enlisting in Air Force assuming I have a high IQ, PT score, and ASVAB likely to be a wise economical choice for one's life?

I'm going to be 22 soon, and was wondering whether just going into debt for a Bachelor's would be somehow economically superior but I doubt it. Air Force is very appealing right about now.

>>33823421

Go in.
Get stationed near a good college.
Use TA to get your degree while in.
Commission reserves when your enlistment is done.
The world is now at your fingertips.

>Med school, Law school, PhD, it's all covered by the GI bill which comes with BAH
>Your Commission insures that your clearance never expires and your vet status gets you a bump to Fed job hiring points

>>33817123
>mechanix gloves

So are they confirmed more than a meme?

>>33819255
Good shot doesn't mean much. Tons of people say they're good shots. Sniper is more about proper usage and knowledge of equipment, applying what you've learned at the school, and good communication/teamwork skills.

To become 'Sniper-qualified', you have to completely Sniper school at Benning. However, you can be non-qualified and still be in a sniper section if you're not in an SOF unit.

To get into sniper section is unit dependent. Some units will send dudes straight from in processing (basically the hold you go to when you first arrive at a duty station) to their scout/recce/sniper/pathfinder/whatever sections. Other units hold tryouts within their battalion. Some units the companies send the shittiest dudes they can get away with sending to those sections because the battalion 'told' the companies to send x number of guys to the section.

All in all, you ought to be in great shape. The tryouts usually are a good old fashioned Army style test with no applicability to the job (Oh wowee he ran a 30min 5 mile! He's the best soldier ever.)

You may end up there and realize that only turds fill the section. Or its a bunch of dudes who talk and can't back it up. Or you get lucky and you have a group with good heads and know their jobs. It all depends, and this same concept is applicable to all units in the Army.

>>33817965
Russia pls go

>>33823387
I'm about to graduate/commission through AFROTC, for me it was literally as simple as shooting them an email saying I wanted to join, filling out some paperwork at an orientation day, and signing up for a few extra classes.

Might not be 100% the same for Army, but it's still probably similar.

>>33817078
I'm a 26 year old white male that's is a healthy weight for his height (5'10), but I've been on a few different antidepressants for depression and anxiety since I was 20. Am I fucked?

I feel like my depression and anxiety is directly caused by my life going fucking nowhere, and being busy all the time in the service would probably fix it.

Any ideas?

>>33823322
>>33823336
Fug. I'm a little concerned about being overwhelmed until I get acclimated and actually in charge of other people though

>>33823543
Don't fucking say SHIT to them about it. They'll never find out.

Okay so I was suggested to look into Nupoc and it seems like an awesome deal. I was just wondering if anyone has done it, what the odds are, and any dates I should know. All I have is a 3.6 with a math major. Nothing else happening in my life.

>>33819448
How would you even go about meeting them?

I've not really had any luck with girls here mainly because I haven't met any.

I work with all dudes and all my friends here are from the military, which are dudes.

>>33823632
That's a fucking retarded excuse not to commission. You'll feel overwhelmed no matter what.

Just out of curiosity, how much does the enlistment and recruitment works change during war time? Are more there MOS openings, lower standards? more people joining in or less?

>>33823668
Top b8

>>33823765
Which part?

>>33823489
>The tryouts usually are a good old fashioned Army style test with no applicability to the job (Oh wowee he ran a 30min 5 mile! He's the best soldier ever.)

This is try to an absurd degree in almost any military position.

>That Sergeant can't open up his Outlook Email without somebody helping him, but he scores a 300 on the PT test, what a model NCO!

To get ahead in the military, being somebody who is able to game your branches PT system is a huge way to get an advantage.

Speaking to sniper/recce/scout sections, there are definitely some I worked with who got sucked too far into the cool aspects of it like painting their guns and wearing non-reg uniforms that they forget to practice basic skills. On the other hand, there were guys in a so-called "Focused Target Force" made up of recce elements from IIRC the 4th ID, and those dudes were good to go. I think they only selected guys with prior deployments, and they really put game face on when it was needed, and knew when it relax and not be dickholes at the FOB.

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>>33823488
who said they were a meme?

>>33817278
Driving down the road and getting blown up is vastly different than attacking the enemy faggot.

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Does /k/ have any advice for a guy training for buds? I'm already in contact with guys who work that job but could always use an extra hand.

>>33823634
Do I lie if they ask me directly?

I already know I'll need a waiver for an arrhythmia I used to have, before I got it ablated. My cardiologist can probably back me up by saying I'm just fine.

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>>33823488
These were the original high dexterity gloves. Remember there was a time before the market was saturated with gorillions of tacticool options. It used to be your choices were much more limited. A lot of dudes just kept using them because they like them and because in the field your gloves get ripped the fuck up in a few months no matter what they are, so buying $300 tacticool gloves doesn't make sense.

Ever more old time memecore is dudes using gardening gloves as more dexterous heat shield gloves.

>>33823927
Yes, fucking lie. Admit to having no problems at all, they don't poly or voice stress test you like LE does. If they can't tell from a cursory physical (scars, shakes, discoloration ect.) Then there's no way to tell because they can't find your private medical documents, those belong to you. So don't disqualify yourself permanently by giving them ANY reason to. Cold boldface lie to them no matter how many times they ask you.

>>33824317
P.S. they will not fucking waive you.

>>33821775
Its hard to say honestly. I think everyone in my group got selected? However, I recently graduated with a masters from a top university int he world and speak two critical languages and have a great APFT score, so I get like... most people arent that way.
A lot of the guys in my group had similar backgrounds, but others had BAs and regular work experience too.
Its largely about having a good APFT score, good letters, and looking normal and good in the interview I think.

>>33820117

The CIA has slots for desk stuff, but also has various paramilitary slots and field positions that tactical experience would qualify him for more. If he wants to get into collection after doing analysis or SIGINT then it would open up his options.

You have a choice between Infantry Officer, Naval Officer, or Air Combat Systems Officer

Which one do you choose?

Does your university GPA become less important if you have been working in your industry for years? I'm a CS grad with a 2.8 and am potentially interested in some sort of OCS. Not sure yet.

>>33817078
That's a thicc acog mate

>>33823668
3hr bump

Thinking about applying for Irish army before college,should I do it?

Can anybody tell me about army artillery and marine artillery?
Are these good MOS's?

>>33825775

It's combat arms like infantry so it's an experience unique to the military, but that also means fewer transferable skills. You do less hiking than infantry but more digging and heavy lifting. Lot of time out the field, but most of it will be spent cleaning and digging. When you deploy, they might just make you leave your howitzer at home and do foot patrols for seven months.

>>33821467
Could you elaborate?

>>33819448
Lol
As someone who has lived out "in the middle of nowhere", there aren't any qts.

>>33823452
>commission
Excuse my newness but Google hasn't helped me figure out what you mean.

>>33826401
He means become a commissioned officer in the reserves. Become a LT

Posted this in another thread but I didn't get a reply: How often do people get homesick in boot camp for the Navy?

>>33824414
Thanks, any chance you know of future dates? I heard the next deadline for packet submission is July with a September board, correct?

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I went to Marine OCS but didn't graduate. Ask me anything

>>33817278
bullshit

>>33824509
>If he wants to get into collection after doing analysis or SIGINT then it would open up his options.

What are you basing this opinion on?

>>33826908
Why won't you just admit that your undergrad and MA were in Criminal Justice or "Homeland Security"?

>>33825152
please respond

>>33826908
Why didn't you graduate?

>>33826975
I don't have a masters
>>33827037
GPA is always an issue with OCS boards. The USAF does have a minimum they will accept I believe, but other branches may look past it if you have redeeming qualities

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Is Daffy Duck the physical amalgamation of every single Marine in a Combat Arms/03XX MOS?

>>33827061
>I don't have a masters

So you're not the same anon who failed out of Muuhhhrrreeeen OCS and is now doing direct accession into Army CID?

>>33823927
>>33823634
>>33823543
>>33824317
>go into BCT
>get severely depressed due to severe stress and anxiety
>get your medical records checked out and see prior depression
>get EPTS'ed out anyways
don't lie you fucking numbnuts.

>>33824509
>The CIA has slots for desk stuff, but also has various paramilitary slots and field positions that tactical experience would qualify him for more. If he wants to get into collection after doing analysis or SIGINT then it would open up his options.

This is the opinion of someone who couldn't bother to do a cursory Google search on the CIA.

There aren't "slots" for desk stuff and non desk stuff. There are two directorates, the DI and the DO/NCS.

As far as specific military experience "opening up your options", this is patently untrue when you're talking DO jobs. Anyone can apply to the national clandestine service. They routinely hire people with no military experience at all. CIA also does not give veteran's preference for hiring.

>>33827126
You are delusional if you think you can get hired in the IC without Intel experience you can only get in the military

>>33827047
Got caught fucking a female officer on liberty

>>33827161
>You are delusional if you think you can get hired in the IC without Intel experience you can only get in the military

You are the delusional one. The IC routinely hires people without military experience. CIA specifically gives no veteran's preference in hiring. DIA also hires people without military experience.

Source: former Army Intel who has interacted with multiple recruiters, reps, analysts, and operations officers from different agencies in the IC

I was banned from the discord ironically and never got ironically unbanned

>>33827196
>veteran's preference
veterans preference is local police department shit. Most federal agencies don't even use vet points
>Source: former Army Intel who has interacted with multiple recruiters, reps, analysts, and operations officers from different agencies in the IC
Translation: Former E-4 who once maybe did an intel AIT school and once knew a guy who knew a guy in the IC but is currently jobless and thinks he knows shit about CIA hiring practices

>>33827236
I couldn't pack more misinformation into a single post here if I tried.

>Translation: Former E-4 who once maybe did an intel AIT school and once knew a guy who knew a guy in the IC but is currently jobless and thinks he knows shit about CIA hiring practices

If that belief makes you feel better. You're wrong and you shouldn't be handing out incorrect information to kids in this thread.

>>33827265
You aren't qualified to comment on the subject since having "talked with" people doesn't mean shit. They obviously didn't think you were worthwhile enough to try and get you a job anyhow,

>>33827236
> Most federal agencies don't even use vet points

Maybe in the IC, I don't know.
If you're referring to the federal government as a whole, holy shit that's wrong.

Not the guy you're arguing with.

>>33827364
> They obviously didn't think you were worthwhile enough to try and get you a job anyhow,
Lol or I chose to accept an offer from a public policy Master's program before going back into the IC.

Again, if it makes you feel better to believe the complete bullshit your throwing out in this thread then feel free to continue. You are incorrect in your assertions however.

>since having "talked with" people doesn't mean shit.

Which includes current DIA operations officers and managers, analysts and analyst managers, HR, CIA recruiters and operations officers, DoS INR, DoE INR, DHS, FBI etc.

>>33817078
Can someone redpill me on the terminal lance meme? I'm going infantry and want to be able to go to MARSOC selection before my first 4 years are up. Should I make sure to volunteer for 0352 (or 0341 if I end up in a 0351 group) since they have the lowest cutting scores or can I work hard to pick up corporal as a 0311/0331?

>>33827410
>holy shit that's wrong.
He's wrong about the IC as well. Veterans make up ~30% or less of the IC for agencies which disclose that information (NSA ~20% and DIA ~30% from available numbers from GPO, CIA doesn't release hiring information as far as I've been told).

>>33827410
Agencies in the IC; DoJ and DHS also don't because they don't use lists for hiring and don't use typical civil service exams which could tack on vet points. I am referring to points keep in mind; +5, +10, etc. I agree completely that being a vet will get you hired over non vets.
>>33827420
Getting a super generic non STEM degree while raking in dat sweet GI Bill housing allowance and shitposting on 4chan. You couldn't get hired with a bachelor's and military you aren't getting hired with a master's and military.

>>33827486
Lol okay terminal E-4. Better break out da pie charts!

>>33827196
Military experience in stuff like SIGINT couldn't hurt, I don't really see your point

>>33827455
>terminal lance
>can I work hard to pick up corporal
I will never understand this.

It's trivial to make E-4 early in the Navy, and the AF/Army will literally just give it to you if you don't make a colossal ass of yourself.
Why would you join the service where you have to fucking throat the green weenie for E-4?

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>>33827410
"TOTALLY not the same guy". Trust me

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>>33827524

>>33827487
>and shitposting on 4chan.

So that someone is posting here, while you're also posting here, is proof that they are wrong and you are right?

Jesus Christ lol what an argument.

>You couldn't get hired with a bachelor's and military you aren't getting hired with a master's and military.

Again, you're making presuppositions here that are incorrect. I'll be having fun at the Bush school though while you're still making shit up on the internet.

>>33827498
So you have no refutation, because you're wrong.

>>33827513
>Military experience in stuff like SIGINT couldn't hurt,

It certainly doesn't. Even if you were to not step directly into a job that parallels the military equivalent you'll have experience. Experience isn't bad at all and I never argued that it was. My experience in intel helped me immensely after I ETS'd.

>I don't really see your point

That the IC doesn't only hire people with military intelligence experience which was the assertion of fuck nuts anon.

>>33827524
He's not me. But we all know there are only two people on the internet.

>>33826975
>>33827420
Irony here this is the same person as well. Trashes one degree and admits he is getting one very similar in terms of difficulty and discipline

>>33827588
>one very similar in terms of difficulty and discipline

Lol a public policy program is the same as a masters from an online school in homeland security?

Not only are you an idiot and ignorant when it comes to the IC you're also ignorant when it comes to academia.

>>33827515
Because I don't care about the money? Like I said, I only want the rank for A&S.

Not everyone is out to climb the career ladder or whatever it is that drives you. My goal is to get into MARSOC, preferably in my first four years. The other branches don't offer that opportunity.

>>33827625
>"Academia"
lmao
>Lol a public policy program is the same as a masters from an online school in homeland security?
There is a reason you aren't in a STEM program and are instead in a super general area of study that isn't really going to make you marketable in anything. Sure, it will qualify you for GS9 but so would that online degree in homeland security. It's worthless in the private sector and the public sector isn't going to care because it's accredited.

Source: I've taken public policy courses. They are fucking easy. Get over yourself faggot

>>33827678
>Source: I've taken public policy courses.

So which public policy program did you graduate from, Korbel, Johnson, Bush, George Washington, Kennedy?

>>33827692
>muh alma mater
>goes for field only good in government work with capped pay
You fucked up

>>33827729
Are you finally going to admit that you're making shit up and you don't actually know what you're talking about?

>>33827200
i got banned from it because pops is a nigger lover

>>33827125
I'm the guy that originally asked about joining in spite of having been on depression meds.

I went to an army recruitment office, and that didn't come up: he asked me if I was healthy, and I am, so I said yes. I even spilled the beans about the prior arrhythmia because he asked me about prior surgeries, and he said that shouldn't be a problem. The only thing he actually had any concern about was my DUI 6 years ago, of which he said should be easy to overcome.

I'm scheduled to take my ASVAB next monday. I did the preliminary test and got my fingerprints done.

>>33823668
Someone please.

>>33827823
>>33827125
Should note it was today I went to the recruitment office.

>>33827809
Pops is a nigger lover indeed

>>33827832
What draws you to being a nuke, rather than any other sort of commissioning?

>>33827678
Really no need to be such a fucking asshole
>>33827126
>>33827420
Just speculation but this guy is probably not a veteran and is banking on a public policy degree to get a government job in intelligence or something. Possibly but not likely for most of the high competitive gigs and he'd probably have to settle for a GS-5 or GS-7 position.

>>33827900
I have the brain for it (always done great in school with minimal effort), it seems interesting and better than doing jack shit like everyone else my age, and it'll lead to better stuff.

>>33828172
If you think you've got the mental chops for it, then you'll probably do fine in school.

Sub life is major suck though.

>>33827921
>Just speculation but this guy is probably not a veteran and is banking on a public policy degree to get a government job in intelligence or something.
Nope. I'm a veteran with intel experience.

Does anyone know how hard CTR A-school is? How much do you have to study?

>>33828209
ah sorry

>>33828187
>Sub life is major suck though.
not the guy you're replying to, but how?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSEj22-Xdhw

Is this what the PRT usually looks like? Practically nobody doing correct form?

>>33827823
I'd say as long as there's no current condition then there's no need to tell them because they take shit like that seriously and would either delay you a lot or flat out dq you. So don't listen to the faggot who says to tell them. Since you're already gonna need some waivers for the other stuff don't pile on more as long as you feel confident you won't have an episode during basic. But if you admit it you probably wouldn't even get to basic to begin with so it's worth the gamble maybe.

>>33828187
Don't you get to put in your preference? I was thinking Naval Reactors Engineer.

>>33828347
I'm in NUPOC

NRE is the hardest one to get into. You'll do 3 interviews in DC if you get there and they will be more challenging than those given to operational or instructors. With a 3.6 I'd say you're not competitive, but it's worth a shot if you're interested

>>33828305
depends on your command, im in a seabee battalion and our CFLs (company fitness leaders) will call you out if youre obviously not doing your push ups and sit ups right. Some are shitbags and dont give a fuck

>>33828418
how does it work for the actual PRT? If you're doing them wrong, is your counting partner supposed to subtract the reps?

do they drug test you at basic?

>>33823832
don't know if any kommando has ever made it through but i'm in the same boat as you. read everything you can and study what you'll be getting yourself in to. try to get some team guys to kick your ass for a day, they generally love doing that, especially if you eat up everything they throw at you with a smile on your face. if you haven't already read Dick Couch's books and Breaking BUDS by WH Xavier. also would recommend Jocko's podcast/yt channel for motivation.

>>33828442
yes, again some people cheat (I know people who pair up with people who will go easy on them) at the very least you cant cheat on the run because we have a camera running as everyone crosses the finish line

>>33828510
alright thanks

>>33817078
Hey! Im in that pic! 3rd one from the front with the thor system.

>>33822662
How recent did you get it?

I know for being a grunt no one will give a shit, but later I'd like to reenlist into a different MOS that requires a security clearance. Possibly 18X.

Will they find out that I lied about my medical history? I took SSRIs for depression ONCE prescribed by my primary care doctor.

I know depression is 100% disqualification so I lied. Will I get fucked if I try to reenlist for 18x.

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>>33828532
Holy shit, I had no idea we'd been photographed, seeing myself in OPs pic got me on google and I turned up a bunch of photos and a report from that mission.

http://www.hqmc.marines.mil/News/News-Article-Display/Article/553720/infantrymen-engage-taliban-insurgents-during-4th-of-july-weekend/

Dammnit OP Now I wanna go back.....

>>33828400
What's a comptetitve gpa/profile or at least what did you have? Also if it seems like that wont work is there something that would be better for someone like me (college grad, good with numbers and willing to do whatever). I'm not even opposed to enlisting as it's more money than retail.

>>33828752
I think for NRE it's usually 3.7+, though if you're from a tier 1 school they'll probably be more forgiving

I have a 3.6 in engineering from a tier 1 university and went subs. Had zero problems getting in. You can always submit a packet for NRE if it's really what you want to do, as far as I know there's nothing stopping you from trying again if you get rejected from NRE

What does /k/ think of joining the French Foreign Legion as an American? That juicy EU citizenship after 3-5 years is alluring. Is the FFL a meme?

Any experience?

>>33828814
From what I've heard they really hate American applicants and will find any possible reason to kick you out

>>33828814
>juicy EU citizenship
you may want to reconsider. But the FFL does seem cool but really unless you've been denied by all branches already you should just join the US military
>>33828832
also this

>>33826958

CIA positions.

>>33827126

I am talking about DO. The Paramilitary jobs open up if you have field experience.

>>33828832
Why would they hate Americans more than any other foreigner? Seems like if you're willing to join them instead of a US branch, they'd be cool to you.

>>33828814
My brother-in-law is a former legionaire. When I visit my wife's family in europe we drink beer and talk shit on civvies even though we both are one now. They dont really like american applicants very much. On top of that they always have way more applicants than they need or want so they are extremeley picky about who they even bother to process the paperwork for.

>>33827673

MARSOC will most likely not live up to your expectations.

>>33828858
you have to understand the FFL lifestyle is fucking shitty. you don't live in comfortable circumstances, the food is horrible, etc. even poor Americans are coming from situations that are better (and military circumstances are better than poor Americans) so it's a hard adjustment. there's also a lot of people who grew up in middle class comfort and don't have anything going on in their life and think "im gonna go be a FFL explorer" because they have some romantic dream of themselves, fly over to France, and get slapped in the face by the reality of how fucking shitty it is and then quit. you really have to be fucking desperate to join the FFL

>>33828785
Alright, I was just reading some forums, though they were a few years old, and people said they got in with low 3.0s so I figured why not try? I don't know what I want to do and it's why I'm joining in the first place since the adults in my life just tell me to keep waiting for better times and offer nothing constructive. It wouldn't be the biggest blow if I couldnt make it but I do want to try for officer of some sort since I need to get sonething out of my degree. Really everything points to cyber/IT, engineering, and supply since those are good for analytical people and that's definitely my strength. I'm sure a recruiter could help me but I still gotta lose several pounds.

>>33828858

Because Americans are soft.

>>33828855
>The Paramilitary jobs open up if you have field experience.

Certainly a very specific subset are open if you have experience. But that can mean different things. A pilot is going to have an easier time getting hired to fly in air branch.

But in general DO jobs are open to people without military experience and people without military experience get hired. It's not a situation in which only military experience will get you hired. Military experience generally wouldn't be a detriment but it's not the end all be all and trying to argue that only military veterans get hired by DO can be easily disproven by pointing to any prominent retired DO officer without military experience (for example John Kiriakou).

>>33828929
I would make sure you're in good shape when you join. I joined very recently and almost immediately have to go do a PFA and didn't realize how out of shape I am. I hope I don't get kicked out (I'm very close to sat medium on my events) but yeah make sure you can do the run, push ups and situps (you also can't be fat, wasn't a problem for me but might be for you)

What's the best reserve/national guard branch?

>>33828858
Because america hasnt been very popular with france in the last few decades. I go to europe once a year to visit my wife's family. Right now european politicians and media pretty much blame everything on America too, which seems to go double in france.

>refugees: america's fault.
>terror attacks: america's fault.
>economy: america's fault.
>weather is bad: america's fault.
>price of rent goes up: america's fault.
>stubbed toe: america's fault.

After a decade of lame duck politicians and with crucial elections across europe this year its especially bad. Its always been traditional political 101 in europe to deflect blame for unpopular events at america but its reeeaaallly bad this year.

Europeans are wierd too, they literally believe every news source they hear, even conflicting ones. Its fuckin odd. They will spend 30 minutes talking about how unreliable the news is, and how shitty a politician is, then follow it by blaming it all on me and my country because the media and that politician said so on the 6 o'clock news last night.

>>33828980
nasty girls because you get to call yourself a branch but really you're just the army

>>33828996
>>economy: america's fault.

LOL DGSE should probably stop conducting economic espionage against the US if they really think this. Stupid fucking cunts.

>>33828889
Now my info is a wee bit dated as I've been EASed for a few years, but last I was in they only took NCOs to their screeners, only exceptions I ever saw was a few of our lance corporals were allowed to try out because they had combat expierience.

It very well could have changed since then, but thats how it was when I was still living the suck.

>>33829019
When I'm in europe I have wierder political discussions with the french than with literally any NEET on /pol/.

It always goes like this:
>politicians are trash and you cant trust the news
>by the way, you need to answer for your entire country because (politician) said its all your fault things are so bad on the news

Ive TRIED asking them how they can hold such contradictory beliefs and the conversation gets so muddled it quits making sense. I've just come to the conclusion you just have to be french to get it.

But yeah, europe (and to a greater degree france) think literally everything is america's fault. Its like listening to /pol/ rant about jews.

>>33828889

What are you basing this statement on? My expectations are that they are essentially Marine SF now even if they weren't when they first formed. What I've it looks like they came along way since the initial bad rap they got when they just grabbed a bunch of force recon guys and said "you're SOF now."

Pops likes sloppy poopoo

>>33817078
im already 19 and already a bit out of shape, but considered joining the navy at one point. Should i go for it?

>>33829084
*From what I've read

>>33828942

I merely said it would help, not that it was requisite.

>>33829096
>im already 19
If you're only 19 how fat can you be?

Fix your diet and exercise for like 2 months and you'll be fine.

>>33829012
I don't know what the fuck that means.

>>33829129
National guard

>>33829076
This is why I laugh every time I talk to a Yuro or a Leftist in the US who claim that Americans are uniquely ignorant or stupid.

>>33829084

They don't have a core of experienced people and at least up until maybe 3-4 years ago if not more recently were doing pants on head retarded shit like cycling out their personnel after three years, one of which was usually spent in training. Meaning that today it's mostly a bunch of green as grass newbies who transferred over at whatever their current rank was. At best, assuming that they have changed things up, you've got people with at best half a decade of experience who may not even be at the top of their current rank structure.

The institutional memory of MARSOC only backs back a few years consequently, and they have yet to fix some of the less glaring bullshit afaik.

>>33829164
>were doing pants on head retarded shit like cycling out their personnel after three years

To be fair Army SF was doing this before the 80's when an 18 CMF was established.

The problem is establishing a unit with a FID/UW mission and then not building a base level of experienced cadre by providing the opportunity to stay.

>>33828961
Oh yeah I understand that. I've lost a lot of weight since february but sadly I was pretty fuckibg fat when I started.

>>33829112
>I merely said it would help, not that it was requisite.

My bad. Another anon did start a shit posting argument back and forth about it.

>>33829084
Well, first thing I gotta say is that this idea somebody can just walk in off the street and try out for any SF group is pretty optimistic thinking. I mean if you really are one in a million they will toss you through a screener, but its very very rare.

The vast majority of SF guys who get accepted to the indoc are usually:
1: already enlisted as a combat arms MOS
2: have combat expierience
3: have perfect service records
4: have atleast achieved an NCO rank
5: have accomplished something noteworthy in their career

I mean its not ALWAYS the case, SF unit commanders do whatever the fuck they want to recruit and dont usually post the true and full specifics of what they want. so there are always exceptions but if you dont have atleast 3 out of 5 of the stuff on that list you will never see the indoc, let alone go through the full system and get selected by a team.

(Btw, you can do everything right, get accepted and complete all the training, and still not be selected to join a team) They can just not like something abstract about you, or have 5 slots open and 10 guys finished the course of training.

I was just a grunt but I worked with MARSOC, SEALS, and Green Berets in my career, inevitably the question pops up as to how the selection process works and what it really takes. This post is the nutshell summary of about 2 dozen conversations I had with assorted operators we did assorted training and combat ops alongside.

Its not impossible to walk in from the street and get sent to a screener and eventually finish as SF, its just really really REALLY uncommon. (In a job where its already uncommon for combat expierienced hard charging NCOs to be selected)

>>33828493
Bump

>>33829203

That's the rub though: they have an institutional memory stretching back to the Cold War and remember the entire GWoT. MARSOC has hazy memories of the last five years, maybe. That's a lot of shit to have missed. Not only that, but MARSOC is only the Marine Corp's way of getting their claws into JSOC operations because of the role that JSOC has been used post 9/11.

It's weird: JSOC was humiliated by how badly outperformed it was by SF and AFSOC in the Northern part of the country and the Marines were humiliated by not being in the fight at all in spite of being "First to Fight". Neither the Marine Corp nor JSOC want each other but they are forced to collaborate to avoid looking weak within the context of the military bureaucracy, and I don't envy the SNCO or junior Officer who has to get in the middle of that.

>>33829268
Never took a piss test at BCT. Took a couple piss tests at AIT.

>>33828493
They drug test you before, during, and after.

Then your training school does too. Your unit will test you as soon as you arrive, and you will probably piss in a bottle after every long weekend, holliday, or after leave.

Sometimes you will be tested for no fuckin reason at all just to keep it mixed up.

>>33829164
I know they had some rough early years, but the book Always Faithful, Always Forward (from 2014) convinced me that they had gotten their shit together. And since they don't have a contract option and only take NCOs, even some of the fresher MARSOC guys have still been Marines for awhile beforehand.

>>33829244
I appreciate you taking the time to write this post, but I didn't have any questions about the selection process. My earlier posts were asking how difficult it would be for the various infantry MOSs to pick up NCO in the first enlistment. I fully understand that I am not ready, and didn't bother trying to go 18x for that reason. I actually respect how MARSOC doesn't have a contract option to join.

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>>33829350

Never trust anything that Dick Couch says. He has his own agenda and it's very clear if you read his books knowing some of the politics. In the first chapter of that very book he gives a big fucking middle finger to Air Force Combat Controllers when he says:

>To me the war in Afghanistan always will have the appearance of a Green Beret calling in air strikes on a radio looking down at the Taliban.

As a former SEAL Officer and War College professor I'd call those fighting words, and it's practically a smear against the Army as well. That's why everyone who isn't Navy or Marines *coughalsoNavycough* who has to deal with them doesn't like dealing with the Naval bureaucracy.

>>33828493
degenerate

>>33829395
I've seen you get butthurt about him before and I'm sorry, not trying to start shit between branches.

However, that has nothing to do with the actual meat of the book.

>>33829285
>>33829295
Shipping out in 2 weeks, glad i'm not a junkie scum so this doesn't bother me.

>>33829416

It should be an indicator to be wary of what the man says. He blatantly has an agenda in how he presents things, and if you don't know better you are likely to be mislead by an omission.

>>33829350
Oh, well I mean I made NCO my first enlistment as an 0331. In the marines if you do really well as an expierienced lance you will atleast be given an NCO billet.
If you do all your voluntary MCIs, have a first class PFT and CFT score, shoot expert on rifle qual, and generally just know your shit and posess confidence you stand a good chance. Then its just a matter of waiting for the cutting score.

Alternatley they might send you to some extra schooling at pendleton, then put you on a board and meritoriously promote you to skip the wait for cutting score.

A lot of guys saying infantry never pick up are shitbags who got NJPs and a sub-par disciplinary record or who just didnt try very hard. There ARE good guys who just got fucked by the system, but theres usually a reason somebody didnt pick up.

Converseley my buddy had 2 alcohol related NJPs (one for DUI) but managed to bust his ass to fix his reputation, made corporal before his enlistment ended, decided his newfound motivation was fun and reenlisted, at which point he got meritoriously made sergeant at his 4 year mark. Hes a section leader now on his 3rd Iraq deployment working on picking up staff by his 8th year.

If you put the work in theres a lot of ways a chain of command can boost your career progression. Converseley if you fuck up theres a lot of ways they can ensure you go nowhere.

>>33829533
That's what I was hoping to hear, thank you.

>>33829435
I'll take that into consideration, but I'm shipping this month so I'll continue on with my current plan. If something comes to light in the next 4 years and I decide that MARSOC isn't what I thought, I can always go 18x then after I'm more experienced.

>>33829605

You seem like a bright kid, I'll hope for the best for you.

>>33829395
Any time somebody claims to be professional then shits all over another branch or group and plunges into inter-service rivalry im suspect.

I was just a Marine grunt, but I spent 7 months attached to a SEAL team as QRF and cordon security. We did some CQB training stuff with green berets at one point, did a few joint ops with MARSOC in helmand, and I even got to do live tissue training with the PJs in my time. Worked with army, airforce, navy, too.

Real professionals understand how important it is to have coordination and ensuring that everyone is performing the correct assigned roles. Any time somebody seriously starts trashing another military group in earnest and glorifying their own I begin suspecting that im getting only a biased half to the story.

>>33820062
Laser eye surgery to get it corrected? Easy solution

>>33829646

Take it up with Dick Couch. You can go read it in his book, it's right there at the beginning. His motives are pretty fucking suspect. I have no idea why he's throwing shade on the Air Force or the Army, but he is, and he's doing it out in public just under the level that someone who wasn't involved would understand what he's doing.

It may be coming from the fact that he's trying to become politically relevant right now, or so it seems to me from some of his public statements recently.

Shipping out to Benning in 2 weeks, feels pretty surreal that it's actually happening. Anyone else heading out soon?

>>33829605
Good luck, if you really are interested in operator shit I would suggest you wait for your unit's sniper platoon to ask for volunteers. Their screener and indoc is a lot more tame than MARSOC but its still a real ball-buster. Give ya a taste of whats to come and gives you that "accomplished something noteworthy" bit in your training jacket. Will look good if you try out for some SF group's screener later on.

>>33817078
Pogues.

>>33829605

You could always go in on a VZ contract and do Recon, then fast track into MARSOC.

>>33829395

Also I should clarify, I should have said

>Given that they are coming from a former SEAL Officer and War College professor I'd call those fighting words

I'm not a SEAL Officer nor a War College professor, Dick Couch is, which is why he knew precisely what he was saying.

>>33829691
Occam's razor tells me hes most likley running out of relevant shit to talk about for his writing career so now hes just trying to provoke and sell contraversey.

Fuckin love flyboys, I mean I always kinda resented not being one, but having air on station is not something I ever heard anyone who actually goes outside the wire complain about.

As far as the army I envied their budget and ease of aquiring new gear in comparison to how pants on head retarded Marine logistics work. But I did shit with army grunts and aside from some differences in doctrine and operational culture an army grunt and a marine grunt typically see pretty eye to eye on shit.

I cant speak for any of the SF crowd, I was only ever involved on the outermost periphery of what those guys get into, but in dealing with them they always seemed pretty laid back and professional concerning interservice rivalries. (Probably more so than the marines are towards well.... everyone else)

>>33829704
Sill in three weeks

>>33829839
Nice. What MOS?

>>33829848
35F, fell for the analyst meme.

I take it you're going infantry?

>>33829860
That was my initial plan but i ended up doing Cav scout instead.

>>33829829

I think he's bending over and offering his asshole to bureaucrats who might want to borrow him as a mouthpiece and I think you're right: that very nuanced, tightly focused shit stirring makes me think he's trying his hand at political propaganda as a third career.

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Is your HS diploma required to be presented before you can get set up with the ASVAB and such?

Just agreed to meet my recruiter with all my documents Friday and cant find my HS diploma anywhere; I'll have to order a new one, which could take up to two weeks.

I was able to get my college transcripts on a PDF to print off; could those substitute?

>>33828315
He specifically asked me if I was healthy, which I am. Then he specifically asked me if I've had any surgeries, of which I had one, which was to fix my occasional arrhythmia...he asked me if it left a scar, I said no, and he left it at that pretty much, he said not to mention it again since I'm well now and there's no scar that can be noticed if I make it to the point where I get a physical.

I'm still worried I'll somehow have an episode of arrhythmia in basic, which is why I'm calling my cardiologist tomorrow to ask what he thinks. I'm sure he'll say I'm fine.

>>33829829
>I mean I always kinda resented not being one

A friend of mine in the Air Force thinks I'm being silly by choosing the Army, and that the Air Force treats its people the best of any branch.

Anybody got an opinion on that?

>>33830485

It's pretty openly known that the Air Force has the best MWR.

>>33830485
The airforce DOES treat its people better than anyone else, but its YOUR enlistment not his. Only you can choose what you want. Get what YOU want out it. If you join to make others happy you are going to have a bad time.

>>33823634

what if I was on/am on SSDI.

He he he big potatoe

>>33830485
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://download.militaryonesource.mil/12038/MOS/Reports/2014-Demographics-Report.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjKoMW0qdDTAhUms1QKHbgkA-wQFgghMAE&usg=AFQjCNG_LrPZb-lBHXLaYuLQg8lK14xG-g&sig2=mSTymssxJOgS5_KkUi2bIg

They are treated better

>Most women
>Most educated
>Older

>>33830485
It's true, I had my own brand new room as soon as I got to my duty station, and you'll generally get to move off base in around 2 years.
Also get nicer equipment at work, rank doesn't carry as much weight, $4500/yr for college, I could go on if you have specific questions.

>>33830610
It's like I'm in bizarro world, where the memes flow from FB > Reddit > 4chan

>>33830802

Turning the stream of shitty memes upside down is half the fun.

>>33830514
I mean, if I just wanted to get laid, I could stay a civilian. But I know what you mean, it's good for the scenery to have women around.

>>33830516
Yeah. I'm going with Army because I can't imagine myself as an Airman, Seaman, or a Marine. Maybe Seaman, but not nearly as much as a Soldier.

It's pretty esoteric and idiotic I guess, but it's what my gut says.

>>33830779
Nice.

>>33830802
>I had my own brand new room as soon as I got to my duty station
That's pretty sweet. Not enough to make me change my mind, but what are Army accommodations like in comparison?


On an unrelated note, I got a 74 on my practice ASVAB and my recruiter says that's pretty good. Was he bullshitting me or no?

Is military pay written off like any other job during tax season?

Do you get any benefits for military service?

>>33830983
Base pay is subject to tax but allowances aren't

>>33830977
>I mean, if I just wanted to get laid, I could.....
Lol, MWR are the programs that make life fun like a good base pool or a base garage to work on your car, not sure what you thought it meant.

>what are Army accommodations like in comparison?
AFAIK, it's 2 guys to a room. Also Army barracks you have GI parties (mandatory cleaning) and shit, in the AF dorms they're literally like little apartments.

>Was he bullshitting me or no?
It's nothing special, but not bad. Means you did better than 74% of the people who took the ASVAB.

>>33830983
>Do you get any benefits for military service?
100% free medical
30 days paid vacation
some legal services
MWR programs
USAF offers 4500/yr tuition assistance


Only your base pay is taxed, BAH/BAS (which can make up like 40% of your check) is not taxed at all.

>>33830977

>it's good for the scenery to have women around

MWR has nothing to do with women. It's morale, welfare, and recreation.

>>33831029
Shit, I guessed and figured mwr stood for a ratio of women and men.

Enlisted as a 19k recently cause 11x wasn't available, did I fuck up or is being a m1 crewman alright?

>>33831025
>MWR
I thought men to women ratio...as in more women around. Sometimes I can be really dumb.

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>>33817078
are the marines ok with CSA flags in 2017
i remember the story about the kid being denied because of the tattoo. about to ship out soon and was wondering if i'd have to rip out my headliner (similar to pic related) when i bring my truck on base. i spent a lot of time on it :/

>>33831101
Just say you identify as a confederate soldier, and they'll have to accept you for who you are.

>>33831101

Just tell them that you're a supporter of a violent separatist ideology, they'll understand.

>>33831101
Yes they are prohibited. Nobody will care, but then some faggot pog staff NCO or Officer will get bored one day and call your chain of command about it and they will have to do something about it.

>enlist in march of 2016
>ship out to jackson in august 2016
>gay ass hips break at the end of the cycle
>go to WTRP/FTC for two months
>go to ait for two months
>get back home because reserves

Civilian life is shit. I wish I was active duty.

>>33831331
Happens to every reservist.
>I'm wishy-washy and scared! I'll just go military lite.
>hey I kinda like this!
>fuck. I gotta go back home
>hey, sir, can I transfer to active duty?
>what? Why are you laughing sir? Whats so funny?

My brother fell for the reservist trap too. He had to transfer to the Marines, redo bootcamp, and redo MOS school before he could be active duty.

I was smart and just went active duty Marine Infantry. (Insofar as one who chooses to do such a thing to themself could be considered "smart")

>>33831331
>Civilian life is shit. I wish I was active duty.
My buddy who did reserves regrets not either doing active duty or staying a civilian. He said he felt like he got the worst of both worlds but none of the benefits.

I can see doing the reserves if you're doing it for your family or wife/gf, but otherwise I don't see why one would.

>>33831406
The reserves should be reserved for (pun intended) those guys who already did active duty, wanna be civvies, but also want to hang on to a bit of comradrie and regimented structure. Getting wishy washy and choosing to weekend warrior is a decision almost universally regretted, and its pretty much impossible to get transferred to active duty.

>>33831435
My buddy I mentioned also wanted to do active duty and talked about transferring, but never mentioned it again and never did it: I'm guessing he got laughed out also or realized how hard it'd be to transfer.

He still did 6 or 7 years...now that I think about it, that doesn't seem like a proper enlistment term.

>>33827125
What fucking medical records? You mean the ones they have no access to? Eat shit.

>>33828494
I'm already on Jocko's podcast and I'll give breaking buds a read. Thanks man.

>>33831548
6 year enlistments are a thing. They arent common but they exist for certain technical fields.

If you get an entry level separation for failing a PFA but then get your ass in gear and get into much better shape, what are the odds of getting a waiver on the failed PFA part of the discharge for re-enlistment?

WHY THE FUCK DOES IT TAKE FOREVER TO GET IN!

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHH

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I got an MOT IST in about 29 hours. I am currently over 1 pound weight wise and barely scraping IST minimums, except my running. Will I be fine if I give it ny all that day?
Also, how do I shed this pound off and some extra and stay light leading up till tomorrow morning to pass weigh in? Light water and fruit?

>>33832335
Laxatives. Shit that weight out anon, you can do it.

>>33832340
Ok, Ill get some fiber rich stuff eat it in the morning and shit my guts out all day.

Any good fast reacting laxatives

why would they ever have you do sit ups for the PRT on concrete

>>33832335
Just dont eat anything and take a big shit, congrats. Youve lost a pound.

>>33832380
if he doesn't eat anything, he'll feel bad and do poorly on the IST

>>33832236
Because after 2001 the military had to re-learn the lessons of viet nam about what happens when you take literally anyone with a pulse.
The assorted shitheads and idiots they ended up accepting are STILL lingering around in the staff NCO ranks.

>>33832223
PFA? Are you a Coastie? If so good luck finding anyone that actually knows first hand. Nobody knows what the coast guard actually does beyond the fact that it involves the ocean but isnt the Navy.

>>33832383
If hes overweight he is already going to do poorly on the IST.

>>33832403
Not that guy but PFA is Navy too, BCA+PRT = PFA

>>33832407
This man is right, coming from the question asker myself >>33832383
I do believe Ill pass, but leading up to boot I'll be losing more weight and continuing my workouts till my last day of civilianship. I jist need tips to pass the weigh-in. I just weighed myself after a 30 minute run and a hot shower and Im 219.6 pounds., barely under my weight requirements. I never quit, but any way to keep it off till Wednesday?

>>33832416
Fair nuff. I only know Marine CFT and PFT. Speaking of which:
>push ups
>sit ups
>1.5 mile run

How does somebody fail this?

>>33832434
Well, 1 pound of fat = about 3500 calories. So the dirty way is to eat 3500 calories less than you burn in a week. So only drink water, eat very light, (veggies and fruits) exercise a lot. Take a big shit before weigh in, dont dehydrate but also dont drink a liter of water right before weigh in. Water weighs something and so does food. The undigested food, piss, and shit inside your body is gonna be weighed along with you so try to minimize how much you have in you before weigh in (without rendering yourself dehydrated or too hungry to perform physical requirements)

I can only speak for Marine Infantry so my perceptions are a bit skewed. First, the IST is literally only half of what we do for our PFT perfect score for which is 100 situps in 2 minutes, 20 pull ups, and an 18 minute 3 mile.

Nobody did less than 100 crunches or 10 pull-ups and if your 3 mile was any longer than about 25 minutes you were in a lot of trouble. Its a different mindset.

I cant speak for other branches, but in the Marine Infantry anything short of a 1st class PFT score was a failure, it didnt matter if you didnt fail because technically 75 sit ups, 3 pull ups, and a 30 minute 3 mile was minimum to pass. In the civvy world minimum standards are accepted, in the Infantry minimum standards were unacceptable.

You shouldnt ever go into anything thinking meeting minimum is acceptable, you should be going in thinking anything less than perfect is failure. Im not going to sugar-coat it cuz youd probably eat it, life is going to be very miserable for you if your biggest challenge is to just meet minimum expectations.

Quite frankly im suprised your recruiter is pushing to have you moved through so soon. You really need about 6 months of decent dieting, cardio, exercise, more cardoo, weightloss, and yet more cardio.

The IST is SUPPOSED to be easy. If its something you are approaching with dread your career is going to be very miserable.

>>33832442
If I had to guess the guy asking that is the one who joined the nuke officer candidate program recently but is out of shape and worried about his future

He's been neurotic over the past few threads

>>33832517
Only thing I dread is the weigh-in. I kind of fucked up and just messed around after DEPing in and Im reaping my consequences. I just did tons of yard work 4 days or more a week. Run occasionally twice a week. Only thing I had problems with was my crunches, which I barely got to minimum just last month, after 3 months of getting it up from 5 crunches. Anyways, I understand you totally. I plan to take laxatives the day before, eat some fruits and veggies only throughout the day, and work out the day before so I can get total excess out of my body.
I also completely understand your perception. Combat and support roles, whether it be Comms or Supply, have completely different roles. Although support roles should be ready for any necessary movement into being a riflenan. I am only meeting minimums now because I fucked around smoking 100s, working all day doing manual labor, and then coming home and driving my truck into the sunset with a female poolee or another hoe I called up for the night. I don't dread it, but I just wanna pass it, then spend the next weeks for preparation. Because 4 weeks can totally change you if you believe its possible.

>>33832575
Quite frankly, im suprised his recruiter is pushing the issue. Normally they put fat kids through a few months of weight loss and make them pass a few mock IST's before they put them to anything that goes on paper.

Recruiters only rush kids they arent sure about if they are concerned that the kid is too flakey and gonna chicken out. It doesnt count on his quota unless the kid finishes basic. Tossing a fat-boy at the IST is basically a hail mary because hey, the chances he could end up passing and maybe muddle through bootcamp vs the higher odds he chickens out and bails althogether.

(And yeah im talking about you like you arent here guy, its gonna be a common place occurrence in your life for the first 18 months or so anyways, might as well get used to it)

>>33832607
I smoked a pack a day for my entire enlistment and never got less than a 290 on a PFT. I even ran some of em hungover. If you actually put the work in towards being fit you dont need all this feel good believing in yourself crap to pass physical standards, you just do it.

People who make excuses and shirk PT need to have faith in themselves. People who discipline themselves and put in the work dont need faith cuz they have confidence. Youre still a civvy so I dont expect you to have a full military mindset, but your head is still operating in the world of soft excuses and hollow justifications.

Ultimatley your mentality is going to put you where you belong, best see to it you adopt the proper one early on or this aint gonna work.

Hey guys. I don't know a damn thing about military service, but I'm planning on talking to some recruiters soon. I've heard from family that recruiters will sugar-coat what they say to encourage you, so I figured I'd drop a line here. I went to college and got a degree (nothing fancy, but hey), but I took the ASVAB back in high school and the Navy wanted me BAD to work with computers for them. I'm thinking either Navy or Airforce. I have some family connections to the Airforce, both service and contracted aircraft design work.

I guess I'm wondering what kind of availability is there for computer work in the military? I'll admit I'm a pussy; I'm a Buddhist and won't take up arms unless absolutely necessary (i.e. the Buddhist Death Squads). I'm in decent shape, but scrawny - I imagine basic would be Hell. As a smart guy with a degree who can't find a job outside of factory work, it seems like a good opportunity to be honest, but I don't know shit I guess.

I'm currently studying at uni, whilst in the reserves. Would being in the reserves for over a year, persuade ADFA recruiters to accept me, within the Air Force? And would enlisting in the intel corps, be a bad idea, if i were to not get into officers, after uni?

>>33832760
why the fuck did you use so many commas

>>33826795
More likely if you've never been away from home, but not often from what I remember.

>>33828300
Random-ass schedule if you're on a fast-attack, so fuck having a life. 18-hour rotation underway (the body is not meant for that shit). Everything smells like feet and amine, and that stank wont ever wash out. Sleep is wrong. WRONG. SLEEP IS WRONG.

>>33832943
He's in uni. He's smart like that.

>>33832760

Ah yes, the shatner, comma.

>>33832704
Jesus fuck, are you me? Pardon the Buddhism.
I've been told there is no reason not to commission instead of enlisting, though.

>>33833213

I was thinking Stevie from Malcom in the Middle.

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I was in ROTC years back, full scholarship ride and everything, but dropped out because I was a stupid kid and didn't appreciate the opportunity I was given. Honorable Discharge.

Is this likley to be brought back up during enlistment? Same branch.

>>33833654
What's the re-enlistment code on your DD-214? I wasn't aware you actually formally enlisted for ROTC

>>33830977
>I'm going with Army because I can't imagine myself as an Airman, Seaman, or a Marine. Maybe Seaman, but not nearly as much as a Soldier.

They're called Sailors.

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sup MEG got a couple questions. I'm considering being a 0261 in the USMC; anyone know much about that MOS? Also, I heard that the boots they give you are dog shit; are there anyways to get to use different boots than the standard issues in basic? Thanks for the read.

>>33828735
Cervix, thank you for it

Should I marry my GF before OCS? Would we be able to see each other more if we are married?

>>33833991
Funny part it I originally wrote Sailor, but then doubted myself.

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>>33817078
Can anybody red pill me on being an Army Armorer?

>>33834085
No. Either way she will cheat. One involves you losing half your bennies, the other does not.

Don't be stupid. Go to ocs. If she cheats or breaks up with you, you will know. If she does not, marry her.

>>33834438
She's rich so I'm not too worried about that. What kind of benefits are there to being married vs single as an officer?

>>33817078
Bumping for Army Armorer

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>>33834438
Why is this such a common thing? Do fellow /k/ommrades have trouble finding loyal life companions, or are all women scum that cannot be trusted?

>>33834646
You're on 4chan, anon. If you're surprised people here are cynical and jaded, it's gonna be a bumpy ride.

>>33817278
Hey POG, leave the Infantry alone they have their criminal justice degrees to focus on

>>33830779
>Older

Don't forget the air force is a smaller branch so promotions are slower. And if there are more older personnel serving it means no one is leaving which also slows down promotions. This is another reason why they are treated better in other ways.

>>33834085
Nobody can answer that but you. It all depends on how long you've been together and the strength of your relationship.

>>33834646
Most people are scum that cannot be trusted, women aren't special in that regard. The statistics are a bit skewed for military though since many of the divorces are from guys who married the 18 year old 10/10 nympho from high school.

>>33834680
>Most people are scum that cannot be trusted, women aren't special in that regard.
Pretty much this. The ironic part is that most people believe this, so, who's the actual scum, or do we all think everyone but ourselves is the scum?

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I feel like i will be too old once i graduate from college and decide to go to OCS , more specifically, that my age will be some sort of definitive factor to how i am scored, even if i meet age requirements (barely though)

Am i being paranoid? I mean i think they will give priority to young lads over me regardless of my scores. I will probably have to be way above average and still be overshadowed by those who also are above average, but younger.

Am i just being paranoid? Is it fair grounds or do they take age in consideration?

>>33834704
>do we all think everyone but ourselves is the scum?

How many guys do you think deploy and jump at the first chance to fuck foreign hookers only to come home and be outraged that their girl is cheating on them?

>>33834742
I don't know, I'm not in the military.

>>33834730
How old are you? I'll be 25 this year and am considering OCS.

>>33834704
People aren't scum. People are just naturally selfish.

>>33834899
>selfish

Seems pretty scummy to me.

>>33834730
>I mean i think they will give priority to young lads over me regardless of my scores.

No. For most jobs you will be favored more with higher scores. It's easier for the military to train you physically than academically.

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>>33834877

>How old are you?

I will be 31 by the time i finish college, currently 26 (27 in July)

>>33831101
>CSA flags in 2017

the confederacy were faggots and traitors

>>33834926
Scum are people who go out of their way to hurt others like identity thieves and pedophiles. In the case of cheating spouses it's just selfish.

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>>33834970
Cheating is absolutely deplorable, and that is directly going out of one's way to hurt someone.

>>33834951
>tfw 26 and only have one year of college in

I know that feel man

>>33834951
I'm in the same position. Fuck it. I'll go enlisted.

>>33835000
I'm 28 and I have like 3 years of college credits and I've enlisted now. I hope I can finish my degree while I'm active duty. Should have dropped out and enlisted like 3 years ago instead of working odd jobs and studying part time. Oh well. Hindsight is a bitch. Better late than never.

>>33831837
I'd say most AF enlistees sign for 6 years; the AF is really trying to incentive them.

If two people with no college enlist in the AF, the 6 year enlistee will make E-3 10 months earlier than the 4 year, and depending on tech school, E-4 will come 4 to 1 month earlier.

Also many recruiters lie, and say that the AF is only offering 6 year contracts.

>>33835000
>Cheating is absolutely deplorable, and that is directly going out of one's way to hurt someone.

Argee to disagree. I think it's bad but humans are animals and as animals are not designed to be monogamous. We have to fight millions of years evolution to be monogamous. So people have a natural selfish instinct to have multiple partners in an attempt to pass on our own genes. I love monogamy. It sets us apart from all the other animals, but it takes work.

>>33832986
Cirrcadian scarring is a fuckin bitch. I wasnt cooped up on a boat, but I had the typical crazy-ass military sleep cycle for 4 years. I've been out for 2 years and I STILL cant fuckin sleep on a normal schedual. Not even PTSD or nothin, just too many years not sleeping on a normal sleep cycle.

I told myself when I got out it would get better but its just not looking like its gonna.

>>33817352
>cooking chow and driving LMTVs
Yep sounds like infantry work to me.

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Just finalized my shit with a recruiter
He said I should be expected positions offers in the next few days

It's happening dudes
I'm not sure how I fee yet.

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>>33834608
Nobody likes them, they sit inside a concrete box 12 hours a day ordering and replacing the same parts on the same weapons every day for years at a time. If that.

90% of an armorers job is counting things and writing long lists of serial numbers into XL documents.

>>33835033
I'm at a better late than never stage as well: I'll be an old fuckers whatever I do, but at least if I join the service I can make my life a little more interesting.

I'm at a point where I can continue college this fall, and be done in like 4 years and try to get a decent job.

Or

I can join the military and maybe I'll like it enough to stay for 20 years, and retire at 46.

>>33835082
Damn it, cos that's what I really am thinking about doing.

>>33835113
Armorer is an obsolete job anyhow, its really just a glorified secretarial position since all the real repairs and shit are just done by the manufacturers.

Armorers do 4 things:
1: sight counts
2: guard the weapons locker
3: ensure guns are clean
4: issue/deisssue guns as ordered by the XO

Your boss is going to be the unit's executive officer, hes gonna be yelling at you for sight counts a lot.

Your life for 4 years:
>ARMORER! WHERES MY SIGHT COUNTS!
>here sir
>WHAT? WE'RE MISSING A 1 oz BOTTLE OF CLP? PUT THE UNIT ON LOCKDOWN, NOBODY GOES ON LEAVE UNTIL WE FIND IT!
>we could just BUY one for 75 cents at the PX sir.
>NO, IT HAS TO BE THE ONE THAT GOT LOST, ORGANIZE A WORK PARTY, WERE GONNA FIND IT OR ITS YOUR ASS!

>>33835000

Actually i [almost] finished Law back in Venezuela, but shit hit the fan and i moved to the states, spent the last 4 years just working to get stable before going to college and starting again.

>>33835004

But i want to be an officer REEEEEEE

I will probably enlist if i see my chances too grim tho... and i heard being a mustang is nearly impossible (i might have been memed tho)

I just want to get stationed oversees.

Are there any positions that better my chances?

I've heard that Korea is pretty easy to get, but I don't know the specifics.

>>33835217
Being a mustang is the most difficult route you could take to be an officer.

>>33835243
You dont choose your duty station, the Military sends you where it needs you. You will not really have any choice in the matter, most likley it will be assigned by last name alphebetically.
A-D yer all going here, D-H goes here, etc etc. The only time you get much of a say where you end up is if you reenlist and request PCS somewhere. Even then its dependant upon positions that need filled and its a request, not a demand.

>>33835087
For me it's also about getting citizenship and I can't become an officer even if I finished college first because im not a citizen so my options are limited. I just went for it and I'll see if I'll stay beyond my first contract. I'm thinking no right now but I know that might change.

Also keep in mind that it can take many months to be commissioned as an officer so if you're worried about aging out you have to take that into account.

>>33835281
Guaranteed Korea is generally a USAF thing.

You probably won't go right out of tech school, but you can volunteer to go once you get to your first base.
Everyone I've seen volunteer for it gets it. Even the guy in my blackhole never-pcs never-deploy assignment got orders.

>>33835361
See, and there IS variation of flexibility between the branches. The Marine Corps has a dissmissive saying. "Needs of the Corps."
>Get promised a PCS out of 29 palms to okinawa if you reenlist. Oops, sorry corporal, looks like your here another 4 years. Needs of the corps.
>oh you were told you could lat-move into embassy security after your combat deployment? Sorry, school filled up. Needs of the corps.

Etc etc. In the Marines your personal comfort, career choices, and personal well being always come dead last. If by coincidence what you want matches with what the Corps wants you might be happy. If not tough shit. Plus there is a sadistic attitude in the corps staff ncos and officers that takes pleasure in intentionally fucking up what you wanted just because its the corps and everyone is required to be miserable and pissed off all the time for no reason. If it looks like you will get what you wanted from a request some higher up might fuck you over just so he can giggle at how angry it made you.

>>33835361
Actually, I got assigned to base security forces at al jabbar as busy work while I was waiting a month to go to iraq in kuwait.

Only Marine there, and a grunt no less. Was a totally different world.
>tech sgt comes in
>very polite, "hey guys, just a quick health and comfort check, everyone got what they want, complaints, concers?"
>oh, ive seen THIS before, staff NCO baits some poor fuck into complaining then blasts him
>"well tech sgt, we need more soap in the bathrooms"
>"hey tech sgt, do you think we could ask the PX to stock 16 oz redbull instead of 12?"
>etc etc
>im staring slack-jawed as he ACTUALLY WRITES IT DOWN
>he sees the look on my face
>wat?
>you..... are actually gonna GIVE them this stuff?
>"well, yeah. I want my guys to be doing well"
>this alien concept cannot piece my brainwashed devil dog mindset
>so.... if I said that I am living in a tent by the airfield because nobody bothered to give me billeting
>he gets mad
>WHAT? THEY MAKE YOU LIVE IN A TENT! ITS 130 DEGREES OUTSIDE! COME WITH ME!
>30 minutes later hes got me and my platoon a nice airforce hooch with AC

For the month or so us grunts were stuck doing busy-work with the airforce it was like being on an alien planet.

>>33820887
If it was a month ago it wont even show up in the test

I used to get headaches in 9th grade and had a migraine once. I believe I went to the doctor for treatment, but never took any prescribed medicine. I also live over seas and have legally consumed alcohol at the age of 18. As a senior in high school who was awarded a ROTC scholarship, should I tell the DoDMERB about any of this stuff? Could I even get a waiver for any of this?

>>33834504
prenub up. Married gets more money juxtaposed to single

>>33835520
truth. Wanna celebrate with the lads after meps but before boot.

>>33835487
Yep same experience in the Army. Leadership is generally dog shit.

>>33836195
The ol' bait n switch "I have an open door policy" trick. They are super friendly, talk allllll sorts a shit about being concerned for unit morale and efficiency.

Step ONE FOOT inside that door with valid input and you just garunteed yourself a 45 minute ass-chewing and saturday barracks duty for a month.

The lo and behold, nobody comes to him with any input after a while. On friday libbo brief he's bitching that nobody tells him anything and its not his fault people refuse to utilize his open door policy.

Every fuckin time.

Just got back from MEPS today, need help with my job list.

I was told I needed to list 9 jobs and an aptitude area. I listed:

1NOX1 - Operations Intel - General Area
1N4XI - Fusion Analyst - General Area
3DOX2 - Cyber Systems - General Area
3DOX3 - Cyber Surety - General Area
3D1X2 - Cyber Transport - Electrical Area
3D1X1 - Client Systems - Electrical Area
4JOX2 - Physical Medicine - General Area
4A2X1 - Biomedical Equipment - Electrical Area
4AOX1 - Health Services Management - General Area

I selected the Electrical aptitude area to avoid the risk of getting something shitty in Open General. Here's the thing, my recruiter says that if I leave my aptitude area Electrical, I will definitely get it because of my scores, but most of the jobs in that aptitude I don't want either.

What do? If I go Open General will I definitely get a shitty job? My recruiter says it's not likely and most of his recruiter that in to basic Open General got Intel or Medical Jobs. He also says there's a chance I wont get booked open general if I select it, and I could get a different job off my list right off the bat.

Make a new thread pls

>>33835681
never happened, don't tell them