DOTM/Marksmanship General

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>>33512329
example of the simplest way to score, IE: subtraction.

OC encouraged and praised, minimal shitposting, maximum contributing, meming is fun too, board culture encouraged, let's get after it

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>>33512329
Contributing with appropriately sized, printer-friendly target.

>>33512329
OLD THREAD: >>33512336

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>>33512369
fuck m8 thanks, got ahead of myself on that one didn't I.....good lookin out...

Current pertinent discussions:

Future DOTM? May is Dot Torture, but we are always open to input.

Alternative/auxiliary shooting test/drills qualifiers to run unofficially: Due to the diversity of contributors some of us will burn through our posts much fast, in an effort to keep contributions high, WITHOUT flooding the DOTM with posts from a loud minority, we are always encouraging submitting alternate drills that can be run for fun and discussed, including more "dynamic" drills that involve drawing from concealment/holsters and movement.

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>>33512329
And here I was, feverishly bumping the old thread. Re-posting my best effort with value priced roach pistol. Heading out in a bit to procure handloading supplies for my Model 66. Will post revolver results later in the week.

>>33512472
This roach wielding SOB is currently 2nd place folks, WILL AMERICA LET THIS STAND?

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>>33512380
No worries.

Anyway, back from the varmint shoot. Have a new shiny to throw in my pile of other shitty medals
>tfw they stopped giving out trophies years ago due to expense
but no pistol targets to post.

Will try to get to the range again tomorrow and see how I do.

>>33512472
How much did you pay for your Canik TP9SA?

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>>33512489
Looking forward anon, seems you are not unfamiliar with score based criteria, I expect you will be a heavy hitter!

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>>33512485
Roach anon here. Part of me is sore about it too, that's why the revolver is getting fired up for a proper go. I had it at the range that day, but leading issues were hampering my efforts.

>>33512506
Used (barely) with 4 mags (one has the 2+ extension) it was $300

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>>33512559
The a/k/ crew is on this folks, any other states other than NC gonna step up? (NC anon is scoreboard leader with 290 with his 92fs)

Reposting some pasta from the tail end of the previous thread:

OK so I I wanted to prelude this post with saying thx for being the inspiration to push out to the 50.

There was some frustration involved, but with a little bit of self rationalization, dry fire deductive problem solving and technique experimentation I was able to get on target and get a rough understanding of hold overs at that range.

1) THANK GOD - at 50 yards I've passed the parabolic arc and the gun has basically a "combat hold" IE: Bury what you want to hit behind the dot.

2) The big solution to my shots drifting left and off target was a bit of ball and dummy work - for some reason on the LEM trigger I have a harder time not pushing down and left, with the FNS guns heeling was my common problem.

3) The solution to the anticipation wasn't zen like control, but rather a brute physical band-aid, taking advantage of the WML ledge and using increased grip strength with the support hand and more thumbing to the left with the support hand thumb to counter the low left jerk.

Run down of the vertical - the first pictured group without call-outs or labels group is the low-left 4 shots with one pushed off the cardboard, hold over on that was top of the sights flush with bottom of the target. (this is also when I figured out I had to thumb much harder)

Then I moved up to combat holdover burying the circle and thumbing the gun a lot more, magic started to happen. 2 strings of 5 shots each and I was content with my understanding of the hold.

Final image is a 10 shot string with counted and marked shots, not exactly pumped about the spread but the cadence is good for me and they are all on target. I now have a foundation for 50 yard shooting, I have a feeling if a do a bit more of this it's really going to buff up my 25 yard stuff for this qualifier.

>>33512536
25 yards is gonna be a stretch for me, I've never shot pistols past 50 feet unless it was my silhouette gun, a Contender (which is done prone).
>trying to think if I can reload a Contender fast enough to do the 10 second string

>>33512587
Fucking awesome deal.
I'm sad; all these gay ass LGS's over-charge for everything.
they're asking 355 new in Oregon

>>33512636

I would say you are free to break it down proportionally. IE: Maintain the shot-to-time ratio and no one would mind.

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>>33512634
Kek

There's a reason this pasta cook didn't post an FBI target. It's because he couldn't hit the god dam thing.

I hope he's able to post a good score though. We're here to help.

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>>33512721
I have 4 weeks to break 280, you will regret this post sir! CONUS has had enough lip from its satellites!

>>33512650
Actually $350 is decent for a new one. Cabela's is charging $399. Maybe they're trying to turn it into an "Springfield" XD scenario?

In b4 the NEW "Springfield" TP9 $499

>>33512766
Please shoot and shoot well anon. Lord knows I could use some improvement in many areas. That's what this thread is all about, and that's why it's the best thread on the board in a good while. I only wish we could assist more anons in person at the range.

>>33512676
Well now I'm interested. I'll take it with me tomorrow.
>need to fireform some more brass anyway
Think it's still zeroed for 100m though...

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>>33512803
> That's what this thread is all about, and that's why it's the best thread on the board in a good while.

We have opportunity here, the time of year is right, the mentality is right, we haven't boned anything major yet. I'm cautiously optimistic...

Extra Credit Shootan:

http://pistol-training.com/drills/ball-dummy-drill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97v3JoMhjkg
http://pistol-training.com/drills/bill-drill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQKXBttw5wI
And of course - the standard metric: http://pistol-training.com/fastest

Suggest/relay shooting stuff whenever, you are always encouraged.

>>33512857
With a fucking Contender?! That is awesome.

Some variety will make this even more interesting. I'll shoot one with my single six, even though I consider that cheating.

>>33508060
Thanks, I make it a point to always help a new shooter I find on the range, either with (non accusative) pointers, or targets and sometimes ammo.
Every once in a while i bust out the K frame and light load .38's and give a full lesson.

>>33511308
>LAX is covering me for the 2.5k rounds I had to send back
Story?

> I'm literally autistic and super sensitive to recoil and sound
Man, you really need to pick up a suppressor when you get to a more permanent residence, sounds like it would be a blessing.
That said, you're pushing through it well, so maybe it's not a bad idea to just macho man past your limitations? Fuck mental issues, they're all in your head!
(Not making light of the tism, my brother is handicapped, just saying youre better off than most so maybe some testicular fortitude is the cure)

This test is great for finding the edge of your ability to put shots exactly where you want them.
I really need to bust out some FAST tests, I'm slacking in the practical shooting department.

>>33511537
>thx for being the inspiration to push out to the 50.
Literally what I do, further/smaller/faster! And I try to drag as many people as possible along with me. So thanks for joining the ride, it's fun to have company.

Nice to see you're getting dialed in on your new guns! That's some respectable shooting, I'm glad the POI worked out for you at 50, my new sights on the USP45 have the exact same hold.
The more you shoot out at 50-100 the easier this dinky 25yd stuff is, I wish I could share some of my youtube stuff with you without getting fucked with but I have two videos of me fucking around at distances of 100+

>>33512892
Huh. I've shot the FAST before, think I was in the high 5's when I was doing it regularly.

>>33512766
>CONUS has had enough lip from its satellites!
Watch your mouth you dirty 48'er, there are three things AK does better than anyone else and we don't need the fish or the weed for this fight! Lol

>>33512489
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!! I really need to get back out to some competitions, happy to see you won yours!

>>33512559
What load recipe did you settle on?

>>33512636
You've got this m80, you already know tge fundamentals and that's all you need

>>33512932
Now that I've broken it down I don't think it's really that awesome
>3 and 2 seconds respectively to go from low ready to trigger pulled
I normally don't take that long to fire at 200m while prone.

I'm now curious if I can even get a "traditional" grip on my Contender. 14" bull barrel and so on. Wonder if I'll have to shoot it like a stockless shotgun? I mean, it has a forearm.

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>>33512352
>>33512013
>>33512402
It is. Sometimes the planes flying in a hold for the nearby airport will do the little salute/wave to us. Really nice little place, but only has a range of 70 yards.

I do feel like my stance is a little odd, not sure though.

>>33513007
Thanks m8, I've won my division in this event every year for 7 years straight. This year I took high over-all as well by 3 hits though, kinda proud of that.

Good turnout too, 63 shooters. Last year was really crappy weather and we only had 19.

>>33511308 →
>LAX is covering me for the 2.5k rounds I had to send back
Story?

I had a "man can" of 115 factory new and a additional case of 1k 124 reloads that had a serious issue. I got through about 700 of the 115 before it showed, but the primers were blowing out of the back of the cases and the cases were expanding in the chamber becoming lodged, requiring a field strip and my knife to remove them.

So after a range day with that issue I switch to the unopened 124 reloaded in house stuff and immediately the same issue.

I had shot almost 1k out of these 2.5k rounds by this point - the majority of it the 115 new in box stuff as it had been fine for a while.

Well these returns and testing take time, and that was most of my shootan ammo....

But they are going to completely cover me, and are shipping straight up 2.5k of 124 browning ball, should be here tues/weds - hence finally cutting loose and blowing through my meager ammo stash scraps the last week. Still poor as fuck from the transition to HKs

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>>33512650
Where at in Oregon? I used to work down in Glide and I lived in Newberg for a few years.

>>33512932
>. I'll shoot one with my single six, even though I consider that cheating.
It is a sweet gun, I'm considering using my Blackhawk, or my black powder 1858 reproduction. Think the RO would flip at rapid fire black powder?

>>33513046
Holy crap, that is rough preformance from that ammo, I've never had that kind of stuff happen.
And if I'm reading this right, you basically got to shoot 1k rounds for free?

>Still poor as fuck from the transition to HKs
I feel you, but it is so worth it.
Btw, my hackd USP45 mag now holds 16 rounds. I have a fucking 16+1 USP45

>>33512948
My can has been in jail for 300 days ;____; - but yeah it's mostly recoil sensitivity as my muffs are nice - I really do better on the practical stuff by nature, gotta buckle down for the bullseye

>The more you shoot out at 50-100 the easier this dinky 25yd stuff is,

after the 50 yard 4 strings of 5 shots and a string of 10 to finish the day - I was immediately aware of this. In fact I have have a new autismo strat for farming this DOTM - gonna warm up at the 50

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>>33513030
To give an idea of how long I've been doing this...

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>>33512329
i forgot that i don't lollipop with the fns9.
pretty bad but now i have a fun test to get better and practice more.

first time using wolf ammo in my pistols, had a fail to feed in the fnx but i cleared it and still did 5 shots in 15sec.

had some problem with the slide locking back, is wolf pistol ammo loaded light? i know the .223 is but don't know if the 9mm and 45acp are.

>>33513112
yess they are basically handing me 1k rounds of non-in house ammo because of the trouble, still love these guys and will prob buy some of their in house stuff down the line, I just need time to heal kek

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>>33513160
>yes I played volleyball at one point

>>33513179
great post and well shot, looks like that SA trigger and .45 POA/POI is more in your favor.

Looking forward to your final contribution - you have a ton of days, don't rush it!

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also, am i scoring this correctly?
x=10
10=9
9=8
8=7
7=6
everything else is zero

>>33513179
Wolf is incredibly low pressure, Canik bro was unable to even cycle his pistol with it.

Well, not instructor scores, but not bad either! Happy to see you participate with us and I'm hoping to really compete with you as tge month goes on.
Did you play with the AR as well?

>>33513160
Fuck me man! That is awesome.

>>33513181
Fucking noice! I wish I had 1k rounds to blast through...

>>33513226
X==10
10==10

9==9

8==8

7==7

Anything else is a miss

>>33513223
i think the red dot helps more than the trigger but the trigger does help since i hate striker triggers.

this was just a starting point, now i need to start practicing, and probably buy better ammo for my pistols.

>>33513179
Pretty sure that left target is a 282/300, x and 10 are both 10, everything else is scored as numbered

>>33513252
With pistols and the consistency of factory loads I tend to dismiss claims of poor ammo performance, that said it can and does exist. Yeah the RDS probably adds to your ability. Are you going to recalc your scores now that you know X is 10 too? You should for posterity.

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>>33513179
Is that an FNX45?

>>33513150
I'm.. I'm so sorry, I didn't know. I hope you get her soon.

Fucking awesome that you're picking up the 50, we will have some fun over the next month with that.

I'm going with this as my official 1/3 target even though it's my lowest score, I feel it represents my average revolver skill better. Two more to go.

>>33513026
I've always not gave a fuck about stance simply because standing and balancing is something we do naturally.

But you grip seems a little less aggressive maybe? Maybe it's hand size, sorry just ignore me.

>>33513251
oops, i should probably read the rules better.

fns=219
fnx=279
10.3=283
14.5=282

better but a long way from being happy

>>33513333
Funny how this test can give you good looking targets with bad scores, and average looking targets with good ones.

As previously stated - clearly the technique is there. It's the folks bleeding low left I worry about...

Can't wait to see your high speed low drag end game stuff a/k/ friendo

>>33513277
yeah, i updated it singe i didn't read the rules

>>33513333
yup, i love they way it feels and shoots.

>>33513305
i don't think the ammo is to blame for the accuracy but i do think it's what caused my ftf and the fnx not locking back.

>>33513350
>I've always not gave a fuck about stance simply because standing and balancing is something we do naturally.

You would be right about this in a gun fight
Only mostly wrong in practical shooting
But boy you are DEAD wrong about bullseye.

If your body is under torsion you will naturally pull the gun left or right and that is VERY bad.
I posted a guide in the last thread. >>33497467

>>33513384
>yup, i love they way it feels and shoots.
Could you do me a huge favor? Could you measure from the top of your slide directly in front of the rear sight to the base of a 15 round mag? And then from the top of the rear sight to the absolute lowest hanging part of a 15 round mag?

And that wolf is 100% what is causing those issues.

GOOD SCORE FBI INSTRUCTOR GIDDY

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>>33513026
Reposting the glock run. Got a 198 which is a decent improvment to my 140. I might give it another go, but that'll depend on funds. I'm really digging the 12lbs trugger. Shot my friends G19 and was laughing about how easy the 5.5lbs trigger is after using my G22.

>>33513389
I guess in that sense it's just so low on my priority list that it doesn't work in to my active thought process. Maybe one day I'll reach the level where I can actively focus on the mechanics of my body below the torso - but for the moment I have bigger fish to fry! I'll just stand square and comfortably or blade comfortably and walk, depending on need.

t. non bullseye expert

>>33513429
That's a great leap anon - remember you are not beholden to post every run you do - you are free to farm and cherry pick favored results.

>>33513453
Yea sadly I'm a poorfag so I can't afford to farm haha.

>>33513456
Cabelas has .40 for $12/box where I live, that's enough for a full drill and 20 rounds to warm up!

>>33513440
Bro, just stand square with the target and close your eyes, aim and open tgem, move your right foot until you're on target when you open tgem. Easy.

>>33513526
I guess what I'm saying is I stand how I would stand while dealing with a weight and force proportional to that and I don't put any thought in beyond, but thanks tho.

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>>33513375
I always thought that was funny, take pic related for instance.
>Company firearms qualifications
>Left target is 298/300
>Right is 296/300
I shot worse, but it looks better (due to my Gen1 Glock17 sights being off)

>Can't wait to see your high speed low drag end game stuff a/k/ friendo
I'm going to work my 1911 front sight over tonight in preperation.

>>33513526
$15/50 here. I've gone through about 150 rounds between this and last time. Now I just have to wait until payday to shoot some more.

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>>33513413
like this?

>>33513578
ye fantastic example of what I'm talking about.


we have a best of 3 thing going on, my 2nd post is going to be my best near the end of the month, my final post is going to be a matrix (4x4 or some such) of 277-279s that look completely different yet and basically equal

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>>33513679
Yeah, thanks! I'm in an eternal battle to make my USP45 better in every way than the FNX45 lol, little tingle of fanboy autism and capacity/height is my biggest challenge. I got the USP to hold 16+1 but I didn't know the height of the FN to compare.
It's a sexy pistol, what's with the fingers grooves? Are they factory parts?

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>>33513736
As seen here

>>33513736
the finger groves are just a hogue slip on that i cut up and glues on.
i love finger groves on pistols but entire slip on made it too thick.

feels perfect in my hands now.

>>33513815
I'm honestly suprised they didn't include a replaceable front strap in the design, the gun checks every other box.

>>33513852
>the gun checks every other box.

minus lifespan

>>33513852
yeah, that would have been a great idea.

>>33513860
what's the story on the fn pistol problems? was it just that one guy on /k/ that had a problem and made a bunch of threads?

>>33513860
I was using "Checks every box" as a kind of backhanded compliment. The gun was designed for consumers, not combat, so it has to look good on a spreadsheet and last just long enough to get put in the night stand and ignored.

Which is a shame, because it really is a nice looking pistol and it could have been the best .45 on the market if it wasn't for waffle jews being jews.

Still a perfect range gun though.

>>33513889
Whelp, I'm the "one guy" and I still do love the gun design...

But your lifetime warranty ends if you don't send it to an FNH certified armorer every 2,000 rounds, it also ends if you do anything deeper than a field strip.

I was also told- directly - that my gun that had 16,00 rounds through - and was paying for the slide to be replaced - would "continue to have failures if I continued to shoot it". essentially the armorers at FNH considered my entire gun bricked at 16k rounds and felt it would be in my best interest to scrap it and buy a new one.

>>33513889
Can't have everything I guess.

That 'guy' is the person you just quoted, and despite his failings in social interaction most of the threads weren't him.
The issue I had was FN flat out saying "Yeah, 16,000 rounds is a little much for these guns" and not honoring a 'lifetime' warranty. Which makes sense if 16k is past what they consider the life of the gun, that's totally okay, but I'm not buying a gun with 1/10th the life span of a Glock

>The mandatory 2000 round service interval is bullshit as well

>>33513930
>"continue to have failures if I continued to shoot it".

>the armorers at FNH considered my entire gun bricked at 16k rounds and felt it would be in my best interest to scrap it and buy a new one.

Lol wut? Do you have this in writing?

>>33513930
>>33513951
oh, well i never send guns in for repairs and i voided my warranty when i started removing material from the frame to get the mags to drop free.

i love the gun but it clearly has some issues and there is no aftermarket for it.

i'm only at 3 or 4k so i've got a ways to go and as long as the only thing that fails are some springs, i'm good with it.

fn really does need to learn to support their products and test them more before releasing them.

>>33514006
no?

It was a phone call I received on my ext at work from Scott at FNH as a follow up apology/pitch to buy a new gun after the initial lunacy that took place. ]

It was really surreal too.

>me I'm going to sell this gun
>him well you should buy a new one because this one will continue to fail
>but I only want to repair it to sell it
>well you should get a new one

???

>>33514038
send it in or find a local certified armorer, create a track record of repair so they can't bone you. That's the only thing I can suggest.

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Not the OP drill, but some feedback on my targets? I've owned the pistol for about 6 months but am just starting to try and really improve accuracy. G19 at 15 yards

>>33514038
>>33514106

Or also just be way smarter than me and STFU if you ever have to send it in. Claim it's basically NIB or something, they really don't know, FNH is a huge machine.

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>>33514153
Another with fewer rounds put in it, same day. This was my first target actually.

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Just got back from a 2 day Tom Givens pistol class. Shit was fucking B O M B
>lessons on shootouts like the FBI Miami shootout, Dinkheller's murder and some other examples
>a bunch of mindset stuff
>doing casino drills
>one handed shooting drills with both hands
>going head to head with a similarly leveled student on a dueling tree
>talked with a good number of skilled and knowledgeable students that were also instructors

The one takeaway from that class was Tom's idea of misses being a waste of time when that time could have been spent on getting a well enough sight picture and trigger press. Learning how to slow down or speed up relative to the distance of the target was also a big one.

If any anons have a spare $500 to spend, definately take a class from a quality instructor. For fucking reals.

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>>33514153
>That one flyer

>>33514173
>The one takeaway from that class was Tom's idea of misses being a waste of time when that time could have been spent on getting a well enough sight picture and trigger press.
That is a HUGE thing in steel challenge.

>>33514153
Two questions
>How fast were you shooting?
>Can you greentext to me what you were doing and thinking about while shooting?

From the target alone I'd say you were looking at tge paper not your front sight and flinching, but the target is not a lot to go on.

>>33514153
>>33514169
Understand that it is VERY difficult to diagnose a shooter when you aren't a good enough instructor/shooter to know what to look for. Amplify this by 5x when you aren't seen actually shooting it or how your grip is and a whole number of factors.

If you want to get better do the following
>read this

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?7708-Dry-Practice-Misconceptions-Updated-12-04-16

>do lots of structured dryfire (emphasis on structured)
>get a good pair of quality sights that work with your eyes

If you incorporate dryfire into your practice, I promise you, you WILL improve and you WILL see the improvements. Dryfire is boring as fuck but it is absolutely worth it when you're finding out that you can actually shoot what you're aiming at most of the time.

>>33514366
One shot every 2-3 seconds in general, thinking back was focusing more on grip and trigger pull than anything, especially having most of the pressure for my grip come from my support in hand, keeping my right hand as high on the grip as possible, and trying to follow through on the trigger pull.

>>33514419
>
Understand that it is VERY difficult to diagnose a shooter when you aren't a good enough instructor/shooter to know what to look for. Amplify this by 5x when you aren't seen actually shooting it or how your grip is and a whole number of factors.

Yeah, intend to get some formal lessons eventually. Next range trip will be with a friend and hopefully he'll record some shots

>>33514153
>assuming you're right-handed
You're squeezing your whole hand down on the gun, and pushing the whole gun. While this in and of itself is a (minor) problem, it leads to cramming too much meat stick on the trigger and pushing it further (a major problem).

I have NFI why that one that's ~6" high right off by itself happened other than you simply weren't on the sights, or someone else shot your target.

The two hits to the right ~1.5" but vertically centered were sight alignment.

>>33514439
So, with the caveat that >>33514419 is 100% correct and you should take this with a grain of salt, here is my $0.02

>Your second target is starting to drift left
>Your spread is somewhat consistent
>If what you are saying is true it isn't likely solely a grip or trigger issue

I would say the first things you should work on are learning to focus on the front sight and forming a good sight picture. I'll put a couple videos here to help, I think you are too focused on yourself and not the path of the bullet. You also need to dry fire more to help combat any flinch you might be developing.
>I mean dry fire between magazines on the range, dry fire at home, dry fire dry fire dry fire

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pnsxnIQsgKg

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6lMYzJpD4n8

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>>33514486
>Yeah, intend to get some formal lessons eventually.

Definately do it. I'm this anon >>33514173 and while students didn't get individual attention at the class, there are plenty of instructors that keep their classes small in order to individually diagnose every student correcting their grip and the way they manipulate the trigger and whatnot.

One instructor that does this that I can think of from the top of my head is Ernest Langdon. From what I hear, he is able to go student to student and adjust his instructions based on the student's skill level then adjust it again as he moves on.

If you want, set up an account on Pistol-Forum and learn as much as you can. They have a plethora of non-shitty people that have a genuine interest in bettering themselves and one another in pistol shooting and it's one of the very few not shit gun forums on the internet. Almost nobody there is pretentious, you don't get picked on for being new and the moderators aren't faggots that flag you if you say something they don't like or agree with provided that you aren't trolling.

Plenty of well known subject matter experts like Tom Givens, Wayne Dobbs, Darryl Bolke, Craig Douglas, DocGKR, Ernest Langdon and LE dudes post there very frequently. They even have a thread on posting videos for others to critique on.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?24218-Video-Review-Thread

Posting in this thread will do you more good than posting it here quite frankly.

>>33514486
The sooner the better on good instruction. It's pretty easy to form bad habits, but a real bitch to break them.

I did this when I was 16. Got a 261 even with 4 rounds missing from my mag.

>>33514652
Cool, you going to show us a target? Or is she a canadian super target that only comes down on holidays?

>>33514652
such a bad ass ;)

>>33514651
>The sooner the better on good instruction. It's pretty easy to form bad habits, but a real bitch to break them.

Amen. One of them is pinning the trigger to the rear instead of prepping the trigger while under recoil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qbCSpcrOsw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7ahDcWjFZI

>>33514686
That depends entirely on the objective, trying to release the trigger to reset under recoil is rettarded for a new shooter or for bullseye shooting. Get you "any hit counts" 3-gun shit out of here

>>33512963
Sounds like you are well prepped anon, I only got dialed in to the 4.5-6.5 second range when I went appendix, and I still often fuck up and drop shots.

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>>33512329
25 yards? at that distance, I'm running away. My eyes suck, but I can run like a motherfucker.

30 feet, I'm doing smiley faces due to muscle memory. But then I run away.

pic related: me

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>>33514726
>trying to release the trigger to reset under recoil is rettarded for a new shooter

Completely fucking wrong. Do you also think teaching a new shooter how to shoot rapidly is a bad idea?

>or for bullseye shooting.

Last I checked, this thread is geared towards practical/defensive shooting and the way you work a trigger does not matter whether or not you're out on the street or at a competition. Better fucking get a refund from my Tom Givens class considering he taught this same exact thing, I thought I was paying money for a defensive pistol class but fuck if I know.

>>33515068
>Do you also think teaching a new shooter how to shoot rapidly is a bad idea?
Fuck yes it is, are you retarded?

>Fuck accuracy and control, fundamentals are for squares! Just magdump!

>>33515034
Think of these threads more as a metric than a direct competition.


The try hards can war it out, you can post nice OC and maybe get a tip here or there

>>33515068
>My pistol class for intermediate to advanced shooters on combat shooting is how we should teach brand-fucking-new shooters still trying to learn how to grip the gun
>Trying to prep the trigger under recoil won't possibly cause ND's with new shooters

There is a reason you took tge class instead of teaching it sunshine, sit down and shut the fuck up.

>>33514686
>One of them is pinning the trigger to the rear instead of prepping the trigger while under recoil.
>>33515068
>the way you work a trigger does not matter

I see they didn't teach follow through un that class of yours.

>>33515135
>The try hards can war it out, you can post nice OC and maybe get a tip here or there
Really it would be better if we had more average and below average shooters participate. Us 260+ guys are going to do our own theng regardless because most of us got to this point by being competitive. DOTM should be built on the joe average.

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>>33515125
I will agree that you must get a new shooter to shoot accurately and have a strong understanding of the fundamentals but who says you can't move onto something like a bill drill right after they're finished with it? This is probably where the confusion was from. I am not saying a new shooter must be told to hose a target down before working on things like proper grip, front sight focus and trigger control.

I've seen plenty of new shooters do such things on their first range trips from time to time. It's not impossible for a new shooter to get 6 fairly quick hits on a 6 or 8 inch circle at 7 yards on their first time out shooting. Feel free to berate me, use ad hominems or call me a faggot, I really don't mind.

>>33515721
It came across exactly as that. You flat out said proper follow through was a bad habbit. I know that may not have been your intention, but you sounded like a boot marine telling people how to bar fight after a few hand to hand classes in basic.
There is a skills building progression that new shooters should go through, you don't skip step 3 because step 9 is cooler and faster.

Now new shooters need to be able to have some fun, I always let them shoot a mag at whatever speed or distance they want by the end of the day, but you dont TEACH them speed shooting because they will want to focus on it instead of the fundamentals. Holding the trigger to the rear is an important part of this, forcing new shooters to slow down and exaggerate actions because they aren't muscle memory yet is for safety and foundation building, THEN you teach them to start resetting faster and more fluidly. How tge fuck will you teach someone how to reset a trigger if tgey don't know what it feels like because it was masked by recoil every time?

I have a very hard time believing your instructor would disagree with me on this.

>>33515721
Hey, uh.. I know I'm being a real asshole here, and I'm not apologizing for it, but some explanation of why...

This thread is going to attract a lot of really truly NEW shooters, people that haven't learned even the basics of sight picture yet, and you are talking about stuff that is really for intermediate shooters. My issue is that you could unintentionally cause training scars and bad habits with those guys, and I take new shooters early skill development very personally. That's why I'm flat out attacking you, to discredit you and (hopefully) call into question your advice as absolute. Coming straigt from a wiz-bang class can give you word a lot of weight to people that don't know better and that comes with responsibility you should acknowledge.

Also, where's your target? We're just shitting up the tgread going back and fourth here

>>33512440
I definetly support everyone running a FAST drill if they can

>>33512329
So is everyone using their carry gun? Or just whatever?

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>>33514652
So, like last week? Post a target or gtfo underage syrup cunt.

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>>33515068
Shoot the course and post a target please. As informative as it might have been, there is no need for dick waving after babby's first class.

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>>33517167
I used my carry gun, and did it again with a for fun gun.

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>>33517331
Fucking decent anon.

>>33517167
My take is that any "service pistol" is fair, but any other submissions are welcome too keep it interesting.

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>>33517344
I have just the gun....

>>33517371
I will shoot the lights out with that. Bring it.

>>33517385
Grabbing some .32 before work today, this is going to be fun.

>>33517331
Any idea what caused your vertical stringing?

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>>33517394
Those fixed barrel guns have intrinsic accuracy out the wazoo. It's just up to us to shoot them to their potential, which is VERY FUCKING DIFFICULT.

>>33517404
INB4DIKGRIPZ

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>>33517404
>Black cock

Hey, I was doing alright with your Mak.

Also
>It begins

>>33517427
The muh dik makarov challenge.

>It begins indeed

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>>33517438
>It continues

>>33517466
The implication here is that I should bring at least 100 rounds of 45 acp to the next range session.

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How'd I do /K??

Gun
> Ruger 10/22
> Iron Sights
> Bipod
> 30 Rounds
> Target all the way to the back not sure on distance (30-45 yards) indoor range

>>33517510
Looks like you shot very well but failed because you can't follow directions.

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>>33517473
Lol, up to you, I'm literally stripping two guns and fitting parts to make one slightly tighter gun. Thinning the front sight now.

>>33517510
Impressive!!!

>>33517549
Fuck it, we could use the content

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>>33517558
This post proves the determination of A/K/

Of course I'm up, we're the only two people on this website after certain hours.

>>33515717
Agreed, that was the intent of the "three targets per drill" cap - give everyone a more even shake at participation. Not just a flood of 5 guys posting 1 point gains every 4 days kek

>>33516333
It's not a drill REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>33517331
You live in a beautiful area but...WHERE IS YOUR BACKSTOP?

>>33517167
It's a mixed bag, everyone so far is being very up pfront about it, it's great.

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>>33517571
I flipped the front sight around and cut it into something I prefer

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>>33517743
Combat/carry, and target

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>>33517748
But this will be the money shot

>>33517823
How many of those custom baseplates did you make. Look good desu

Any anon only shoot worth a shit w certain pistols? I can't hit shit w my dads Taurus .40 or .45 but I do decent with my walther 9mm and 10

>inb4hurrdurr40meme

>>33518400
struggling to shoot goods bulls with my EDC sir, I know your feels

Alright A/k/, ball's in your court. I shot like dog shit today with my best being 283. I'll try again later this week

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I'll try with my edc

>>33518428
283 is a damn fine score. Post yer target friend.
>>33519152
Nice backstop.
>>33518400
>hurrdurrtaurusmeme?

>>33519424
I'm guessing he's the 290 guy, if that's the case it's understandable he would want to hold out for better.

>>33513007
>What load recipe did you settle on?
158 grain plated target hollow point backed by a modest charge of Accurate #5

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>tfw weather is dicks

for the best tbqh, running on ammo scraps waiting for LAX

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Well, I shot it with my Contender.
>CoF: 4 minutes for 10 rounds slow-fire, no reload break, at 25 yards (pretty much cut the X ring out). 3 seconds per round from low ready at 15 yards. 2 seconds per round from low ready at 15 yards (went to shit here where I got both my flyers, 2 seconds is NOT ENOUGH to find the fucking target in a magnified optic and get a good trigger squeeze).

Still did very well, but I feel like using a single-shot pistol in a rifle caliber that's wearing a 2-8x scope is cheating.

Feel free to not count this target for highest score.

>>33518241
Thanks! I think it really modernizes the apperence of the gun. I'm just doing the one for now, I'm finalizing the design and testing reliability before I invest in more. It's currently 16+1 capacity and 100% reliable, I have a thread on HKP

>>33520887
Nice work!

>Feel free to not count this target for highest score.

We will count it in the "open" division kek

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>>33520887
>299
FUCK!!!!

>>33521367
>tfw 1 away from a perfect target
FUCK!!!! indeed.

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>>33521471
No, I mean fuck you lol, now I HAVE to get a perfect score

>TFW your grips cost more than your gun
>TFW a box of ammo is 1/6 what your gun cost

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Went to the range with the roommate today, though we got rained out. I needed a lot of practice with the HiPower anyway, I was all over the place at 25 yards. Even at 10 yards. So I just focused on basics.

Might've gotten to an actual attempt if the rain didn't destroy my targets. Will probably go out later this week when it clears up.

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>>33521914
That's a cool gat

>>33521927
>fucking rain REEEEEEEEEEEEE

Excited to see your work anon

>>33522082
>That's a cool gat
Thanks, it's incredibly accurate for costing $120

>>33521927
You got this man, do some dry fire while you wait for another chance.

>>33517627
Miles of empty fields. Personally I don't like this spot, it's just the only one to use rifles on. The other spot is backed by woods, but only has a 30yd range.

>>33520887
This is fantastic. What is she chambered in?

>>33522215
I wish I had a range like that

>>33523453
don't we all

>>33522215
>not having a supressor mounted bayonet

>>33522970
7mm T/CU, which is a .223 necked up and given the Ackley treatment.

Current load is a 100gr Sierra Varminter at around 2800fps, which is on the low side. I use it as a fireforming load.

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>>33524268

>>33524507
Between the very heavy pistol and comparatively light bullet it's actually quite tame. Quite pleasant to shoot, lower felt recoil and less muzzle climb than a G17.

I've been toying with the idea of getting a .44mag barrel for it for shits n' giggles.

>>33524590
That would be pretty cool. I saw a guy shooting an SBR contender in some 7mm cartridge at the range a couple of weeks ago.

>I don't think he knew about NFA regulations
>I think he just got too old to shoot it as a pistol and slapped a stock on it

>>33525314
Well, if ever there was a receiver to put a stamp on, it would DEFINITELY be a Contender G2 or Encore.
>every caliber from .22 short through .485wm
>FACTORY barrels available in all of them
>large aftermarket for wildcat barrels, everyone from EABco to fucking Krieger

>>33525386
Yeah, but it's still just a pack gun at that point, I would prefer a stocked suppressed .22 pistol

>>33521927
>Might've gotten to an actual attempt if the rain didn't destroy my targets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0bRiMqrAI4&index=15&list=PLrRQ__gsOAs2pHWJoG0ElvSDroi4xwVeP

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>>33526304
good stuff senpai

>>33526285
True, but it's a pack gun that can have potentially as light as a half-pound trigger pull with no takeup or creep or overtravel (mine's ~14oz currently), that's capable of sub-MOA 5-shot groups. They're also RELATIVELY inexpensive, with a G2 running about $450-500 used and replacement barrels being in the $180-220 range depending on caliber.

Plus being able to use rimfire and centerfire in the same frame is pretty neat.

>>33526857
True, true.

So tell me, with all of that...

>Why only 299?

>>33527068
Because was really feeling the rush in the third string of fire.

I would be willing to bet if I had a closer to 1x low end on that scope I'd have shot a perfect.

>>33526304
Huh, and here I was just using them as mini greenhouses.

>>33527068
Also, just for grins and giggles I put my 26" 7mm-08 barrel on my Encore pistol.

I could not hold it up.

>>33527177
Holy shit that's great, do you have a picture?

>>33527133
Ah, that timer will kill you.

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>>33527177

>>33528751
That was my exact mental picture when he was talking about it.

>JN best Joker

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>>33520887
>>33522970
>>33524268
holy MOTHER OF GOD

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Starting load development tomorrow gents. 300 here we come!

Somebody should sell "variety packs" of bullets in popular calibers. I hate having to buy 100-250 just to see if they work well or not.

>>33529085
Cabelas used to sell 10 round samples of rifle bullets for load development.
These guys sell sample packs of pistol bullets.

http://www.egglestonmunitions.com/

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praying for good weather, wanna take a stab at DOTM, 50 yard groups and THROTTLE CONTROL drill today

Lucas you are a gay weird little fucker but you can shoot

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>>33529504
WHAT THE FUCK WEATHER

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>>33529555
Stop being a pussy, the A/k/ crew literally shot until we started fumbling reloads in the cold.

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>>33529603
I live inna desert, I would freeze to death in minutes and you know it

>>33529555
>>33529603
My coldest range day this winter was something like -16

Anything above +75 makes me uncomfortable though. Fuck global warming.

>>33529864
>Fuck global warming.

Agreed.

That said us cold blooded skelingtons don't do well up there

>>33529864
I remember it got to almost 100° back in 2006, thought I was going to die.

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So anon, tell me more on how to get better at shooting. First time shooting at 15ft with 45acp, please don't laugh. Help me get good.

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Shit man I'm garbage with handguns, like my targets just look autistic at 10 yards. Something about rifles is just more fun I guess.

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>>33531010
Also

>>33531010
The desire to improve is the most important characteristic you can posses, good on ya.

Get some snap caps and do the "ball and dummy" drill.

https://pistol-training.com/drills/ball-dummy-drill

For me additional things I do:

Make sure my trigger finger is positioned so that it is driving the trigger straight back and not apply pressure to the left or right side.

I use my support thumb to aggressively push on the frame of the gun and to the right to fight micro anticipation of the recoil.

Try to shoot at the apex of your breathing.

Make sure you have a very positive high tang grip with as much purchase on the gun as you can muster.

Squeeze with both hands right until the point where you shake - then back off a little.

Focus on the front sight and repeat in your head "press the trigger to the rear" over and over while adding incremental more force.

While not ALL shooting requires the break to come as a surprise - in the beginning and for shooting groups - yes you want the gun to literally surprise you when it goes off, use the above technique to achieve this.

Use the isosceles stance, on the balls of your feet, bent slightly forward but comfortable. Don't lock your elbows, also rotate your elbows slightly up to apply more grip strength higher up on the gun.

There's a lot more to be said, but I'm out of gas for the moment.

>>33531131
>>33531160
>>33531176

God bless you anons, I knew I did the right thing to come here for information.

>>33531224
Careful with the chart, when it says right hand it literally means one handed right hand shooting - not super useful for freestyle (2 handed) shooting.

Stick around, there's bound to be some additional responses.

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>>33529603
>>33529864

>37 degrees
>31 MPH wind

yeah fuck this shit

>shoot 3 F.A.S.T.
>wind tries to bowl me over

no precision shooting today methinks

positive note: I now have more semi-permanent target stands and a 80 yard target stand

>we hickok45 now

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>tfw mainboard got fragged and original HDD was so old it couldn't talk to new one and lost fuck tons of images to bump with

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>>33533701
>TDW that image reminds me I went from 310lbs to 273 since January and I'm still dropping weight specifically to accommodate appendix

>>33534279
I use guns as the "carrot" to make my "stick" physical health goals as well, gjwp anon, keep at it, don't give up.

Not trying to discourage you, but mebbe you'll like this or find it useful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag71l93rvao&t=16s

>>33517510
you only wine the stuffed bear if you completely remove the red... sorry.

>>33534545
At work, I'll watch it on break.

>>33532104
You ever do this pair of warm up drills?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi5eZqc9H7I

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>>33535058
I tend to "warm up" shooing 3 cold F.A.S.T. then kind move on to farming what I'm focusing on, but Haley is def a man crush, I'll have to get this in the rotation. I have a back log of drills/tests to do atm...

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Maybe we should just go for a dry spell on these threads? Maybe make an OP thurs/fri when most people do their shooting? Don't want to discourage interest by too much spamming, thoughts?

>7 year old meme

>>33531131

Unless you're shooting one handed with a perfect sight picture, that shooter error chart is 100% useless.

Fuck, I hate that thing so much.

>>33536147
And yet it is the most popular "info" image on /k/

>Unsurprisingly

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Team AK here. Channeling my inner autist at the reloading bench. Will this match grade ammo unlock a new high score?

>>33537822
>have to beat 299
Probably not

>>33537837
Say it to my face bitch!

>Not him, just confident

>>33537868
Come over to STL and I'll take ya shooting.

>>33537899
Stl?

>>33537967
Saint Louis.

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>>33537967
>not knowing standard 3 letter FAA identifyers

MCI Checking in.

>>33536147
>>33537562
Well, considering it was specifically designed for bullseye shooting, which is done 1-handed under either no or very generous time constraints (thus allowing as close to perfect sight alignment as the shooter is capable of), it's appropriate for what it was designed for.

You can thank all the retards on the internet for trying to use it outside of its intended purpose.

>>33537822
>plated bullets
>Lee shitscale
>"match grade"
Bruh...

>>33538074
Sorry, I live in America.

>>33538325
And you use?

>>33538569
>not realizing FAA = Federal Aviation Administration that is a US Federal Admin.

Comeon, you have an international/regional airport where you go to fly, and there's a 3 letter identifier for those airports. For example, JFK is NY City JFK, ATL is Atlanta, LAX is Los Angeles...

I think I need to go to bed for the night, I've had too many drinks.

>>33538638
Anywhere with a commonly known 3 letter airport ID is a communist shithole and not America

>>33538325
The Lee scale is faster and more accurate than the two more expensive units I own.

>Bruh

>>33538787
>the two more expensive units I own.
What other scales do you have, my lee blows. I'm thinking about getting a chargemaster

>>33538912
A Redding 2 that does't like to dampen and a $50 digital that won't calibrate correctly anymore. The Lee came in a kit and I never used it because I assumed the other two were better. When the digital started acting up, I dusted it off and found that it was actually quite good, especially for the price. My setup is budget oriented, but with careful technique I'm producing ammo that is cheaper and more consistent than factory.

I'm using the plated bullets to alleviate leading issues caused by factory cast bullets (Hornady and HSM) that aren't compatible with my revolver.

An electric scale/dispenser is pretty fucking high on my "must have" list. I just can't decide which one is best.

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>>33537562
/k/'s sticky is laughably so shitty.
>"go to a gunstore and get a feel for a gun!"

How is this even fucking possible when a new shooter doesn't know how to properly grip a gun and tea cups it or does some other weird shit?

It scares me when people say /k/ is informative. Even scares me more when someone is convinced on getting a Glock 29 as their first cc gun. Sure, there are some pretty knowledgeable people here and there but this place is mostly bad information and people are more better off reading Pistol-Forum.

>>33539046
There are a few anons keeping this thread legit, in spite of everything.

>>33534635
My apologies I'm do better next time senpai...

>>33539559
It's literally impossible with one mag

>>33520887
Is that single shot? How were you able to to the "timed" and "rapid fire" parts successfully? Or did you ignore the time limitations?

>>33537837
I would say that 299 doesn't really count for the dick waving part as it's def not a duty or EDC gun.

Plus I'm pretty curious how he completed the 15 and 10 second timed strings in the allotted times.

>>33535835
proof that poltards have always been despised, despite their claims

>>33512892
Is that you?

if so why do you draw the gun back to your body slightly when you insert the mag on the reload?

Also on the reload i would recommend bringing the gun to whatever "workspace" position you use as soon as the empty mag is free. You kind of let your support hand grabbing the mag pace the movement of your strong hand.

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>>33540863
>if so why do you draw the gun back to your body slightly when you insert the mag on the reload?

reduce wasted movement for both hads and meet in the middle

>Also on the reload i would recommend bringing the gun to whatever "workspace"

I'd much rather look down for a moment of a second and reduce wasted movement and be faster by meeting the gun and the mag in the "sweet spot"

WebM related

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>>33540863
>>33541024
another angle of the reload

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>>33541069
another angle of me trying to play at his speed

>>33541024
that's not exactly what i was getting at
at the moment right after you hit the slide stop you do this weird upwards and backwards motion before presenting the gun again.

i would also posit that gabe is unusual in that his own experimentation suggests no difference in reload speed whether he looks down or doesn't look, which is not true of most people. Also when he drops the mag and moves the gun to receive a new one, he very deliberately holds the gun so that the mag is straight up and down and can fall free easily, then once the mag is free immediately moves the gun to receive a new mag. You're kinda floaty on the reload and you can cut out a little time there.

ymmv this is free internets advice

also looks like you have a bit of wobble during recoil from leaning back so much

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>>33541108
camera was tilted in the last clip, this is it straight.

But yeah my lanklet body gets pushed a bit.

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>>33541108
I've been trying to isolate the pull/push after the reload for some time now, it still persists, one day anon...one day

>>33538569
For my revolver loads? Cast Keith bullets. At least for accuracy.

I do shoot a lot of plated bullets, but they are fuckaround loads. I've never been able to get the kind of accuracy I can get from either jacketed or cast from them.

>>33540564
Yes.

Since the 15 yard strings are "5 rounds in 15 seconds" and "5 rounds in 10 seconds" done twice each, I simply did 1 round per 3 and 2 seconds from the low ready.

>>33541392
Does that really count?

>>33542622
Well it's not like any of this is super formal, peeps are welcome to shoot what they want and encouraged to use duty/EDC guns.

I mean maybe someone will do a ranking at the end of the month, I would stay targets shot with guns outside the intent of the drill could certainly be tallied, but I would put them in an "open" division or something like that.

>>33543451
>I mean maybe someone will do a ranking at the end of the month
That would be pretty cool

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>>33544927
I do too, but I also hope we can balance the friendly competition part with the encouraging /k/ to get out and shoot part. Being didactic is the primary goal here after all.

Tried to get muh dick wavin score on today, shot a 273, def not gonna burn a post on it.

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P30L Slide lock is gonna get me kilt in da streetz

>>33546595
The fuck happened?

>>33546654
I have serious grip training scars still, I locked the slide back with my strong hand thumb TWICE in a row, then the final shot comes up and I ride on top of the fuckin slide lock and keep it from locking open, huzzah.

>>33546711
That from switching guns from the FN?
I can't use a high power for the same reason.

>>33546751
Yep - the FN had more room on the frame for my thumbs and a smaller slide, when doing new drills my focus is on the actions not my hands, and my thumbs creep higher and higher until I cause bullshit like that.

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>>33546770
Gay, should have gotten the USP!

>TFW not sure what caliber to reload for
>Powder thrower is set up to do .38 but the brass is tumbling
>Thinking black powder .45 Colt

>>33546844
What's the cheapest you can get 9x19 reloads down to? I kinda sort half assed reloading at one point with a progressive lee press, but I was pretty green and I wasn't see much savings vs buying a case over da webz

Also I have 2 USPs! A police trade in var 3 40S&W (my first handgun the day I turned 21) and a USP9c LEM with a safety that's NIB still

>>33546888
With casting I can get down to 7¢. It's possible to get cheaper.

>>33546952
cast is no-go in polygonal bbls right? still I might have to revisit my ammo habits.

>>33547017
IIRC if they're coated it's not as bad???

>>33547017
Cast is perfectly fine in polygonal bores.

>>33546888
9x19 isn't worth reloading unless you cast bullets with reclaimed lead or something.

Are you going to shoot tge DOTM with your USP? You should.

>>33547017
That is a Glock specific thing due to Glock owners shooting soft lead bullets and not cleaning their guns. Glock issued the no lead warning as an ass covering measure. Clean your fucking gun and it isn't a problem.

>>33547202
>9x19 isn't worth reloading unless you cast bullets with reclaimed lead or something.
it is if you want to do load development for competition or if you're a really high volume shooter. plus if the political atmosphere gets completely fucked ammo prices are volatile as hell

>>33547202
>>33547229

Right now I usually end up at 20-23 cents per round after shipping depending on the deal by the case I can find online, sounds like I could almost double my volume by reloading...I have the dies somewhere... 5-8 lbs of old (but well kept) powder, mite be time to explore this again after I move.

>>33547202
>Are you going to shoot tge DOTM with your USP? You should

I suppose I could but I would imagine pretty similar results as to what I'm getting with the P30L LEMs, prob a bit worse honestly. I'm a 1 trick pony and my tricks are shit

>>33547229
Should have clarified, it isn't worth reloading for cost savings*

If you're a high volume shooter you would probably need a Dillon to reload enough ammo to use, and when I priced that you're looking at almost 20,000 rounds before the difference between the cost of the press and components evens out with factory ammo.

If you already have the equipment that obviously changes things.

>>33547392
to be fair a lot of competitive shooters blow through 20000 rounds or more annually. Not just the national champ level guys but M class or GM class USPSA shooters

are you guys shooting both eyes open on the "timed" and "rapid fire" at the 15? are you staging your triggers? i'm going back and forth and mixing both and getting similar results regardless, sigh

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>>33546595
slide lock gonna get u kilt in da streets

use a revolvah my mann

>>33546770
Huh, had no idea people actually rode up on guns like that, thought lifesizepotato just did it to troll people.

>>33547392
Bull fucking shit.
With commercial jacketed bullets you can reload for 10cpr with several different recipes. With plated bullets you're at 8-9cpr with several different recipes. Commercial cast drops you to 6-7cpr, and home-cast is 3cpr+lead costs (even buying commercial reclaimed bullet lead at $1.25 a pound is ~5.9cpr shipped). All of this is without having to spend hours hunting for deals, but is predicated on buying in bulk (several thousand bullets/primers at a go, at least a single 8lb keg if not a full 48lb shipment).

So, yeah, if saving $10 a box isn't "worth your time" when those 50 rounds take 15 minutes even on a single stage press, GG you're literally making a quarter million a year. But for most people it is, even assuming they'd be doing something else during their reloading time that makes them money (most won't, that's 4chan/TV time).

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Dear DOTM,

Please help an anon unfuck himself.

>dry fire every day at least 100 times
>can balance a penny on my front site post and dry fire around 10 times before it falls
>go outside with 2 magazines of 15
>drill the first fucking shot right through the bullseye
>anticipate the other 14 shots......

7 yards, present from the read, fire two shots.

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>>33548561
Previous weeks.

>>33548561
try inserting snap caps randomly into mags randomly to determine flinching severity and direction. looks like an upwards trend to me, you dont happen to blink when the firearm goes off or feel unnerved/afraid of the boom or recoil do you?

You may want to try not worrying about recoil management, and focus only tensing your trigger finger. just hold the firearm with the minimum force to keep it from leaving your hand. I've found this and focusing on my breathing sometimes helps me when i seem to be pulling one way or the other.

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>>33548561
I've been shooting for years and do the same shit anon. Preventing it with mental discipline and trigger control works okay for me, but I still drop shots if I'm not on the ball.

It starts to improve if I shoot 100+ rounds in the same session. Not sure why. Practice with .22 handguns and air pistols has also helped me.

>>33546844
not him but dont even get me started on USPs. i have a thumb high grip and skeletor hands. im this close to trading of my USPc because of the safety/slide release getting in my personal space

>>33548561
double up on ear pro (sometimes it's not the recoil, it's the noise)

try alternating snap caps and live rounds in the mag and doing slow fire. The idea being to get a smooth trigger press with no anticipation regardless of whether the round is real or not. I've heard the random snap caps method before and I think alternating is better than random. When they're random sometimes people get extra surprised from the live rounds which only feeds their fear of noise, flash, and recoil, which only increases the flinch. Better to have some predictability so as to not be overwhelmed.

>>33548647
No blinking or shutting eyes. Ill have to try that, loosen my grip and breath.

>>33548682
Yeah DA trigger pulls are a bitch.

>>33548693
I'ma have to try this snap cap thing.

>>33548561
>>33548586

ball a dummy drill

See: >>33531176

ALSO - get your "mental aggression" on, don't shoot with a weakling state of mind, pump yourself up, be confident, strong and deliberate.

I go so far as breathing heavy or jogging to increase heart rate, yelling at myself, generally just getting amped, you want control, power and an excited state of mind.

>>33548543
>saving $10 a box
I buy 9x19 for less than that so that would be LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE

>>33548688
You are doing something very very wrong, my grip makes most guns that aren't a Glock, CZ75, or 1911 a pain and my USPfs is no issue

>>33548898
Eh I guess it'd be $5 a box if you're getting it for 20-23cpr (which would be $10-12 a box).

That's still halving your ammo cost with commercial jacketed bullets and almost quartering it with commercial cast. Without having to hunt for deals.

>>33548827
kek, fucking noted.

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>>33548935
I pay $9 a box and have a single stage press, which is MUCH better used reloading more expensive ammo.

If i had a Dillon it might be worth it, but that's still ten thousand fucking rounds just to break even in a best case scenario.

>Pic related, reloading .38spl SWC as we speak

>>33549043
Are you or are you not the one claiming 20-23cpr shipped in >>33547354? Cuz that damn sure isn't $9 a box.

Buy a mid-grade turret like the Lyman T-Mag, they're nearly as fast as a Dillon 550 and about 2/3 as fast as a LnL AP or 650 and can be had for under $175. Shoot commercial cast+coated at 7cpr and get your per-box down to $3.50.

Granted I have a progressive (LnL AP), but 6 hours of reloading on one rainy Sunday sees me producing about 5k 9x19 including all brass prep. If you want opportunity cost, I'm making/saving (depending on perspective) $108.33/hr compared to 20cpr factory ammo loading at 7cpr.

>>33549113
Oh, shit, no man that's another guy.
I was wondering where you were getting your numbers from lol

Yeah, it's nice and cheap, but I live in AK so components and shipping cuts into that, not to mention I'd need to buy a progressive and all the accessories from square 1

>>33549352
Ah, yeah, shipping to AK sucks major dick. Feel ya there.

Still, if you shoot over 8k rounds of any and all pistol ammo a year it's worth setting up for. Especially if you have a local club or group of people you can do group buys through to soften the shipping/hazmat fee blow.
>tfw my local club orders 5 pallets of birdshot a quarter, which drives the price down to about $28 a bag or a little over a buck a pound; they also order an entire semi trailer full of powder and primers so I'm paying around $100 for 8lb jugs of pretty much any powder (other than H322 and 8208XBR, those are still expensive for some reason) and under 2 cents per primer.

>>33549043
You really need to optimise your setup.
Quick change bushings on the dies, baffle in the thrower, mount th ethrower overhanging the bench by about 6", and put a line of akro bins along the edge.
Deprime everything at once, clean, prime and flare in batches of 100. With the primed cases in the left most bin it's easy to pick a case with the left hand, throw a charge in, grab a bullet from the next bin and preseat it while loading the case into the press.
With practice it's fairly easy to average 2-300 an hour. Big thing is to mount the thrower high enough and far enough from the bench you can easily access it and fit the whole case block under it if you want to batch fill. About 16" from the press is still easy enough to reach between the two.

>>33549400
At the rate I'm going I'll probably shoot 18,000 rounds this year, I really need to get a progressive setup.

>>33549430
I only just started doing more than 50 rounds at a time, it's admittedly still a bit of a cluster fuck.

I just did 50 black powder .45 Colt rounds and now I'm doing 150-200 .38 special rounds.

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>>33512329
>Dry fire at 7yds in garage
>Suddenly realize I can't read the scoring numbers on the target
I don't think my vision was this bad when I went to bed last night....

>>33550074
Too much masturbation.

>>33550100
Funny because my range buddy just replied to my text with the same response about jacking it to guns.

But this seriously scares me, I need my eyes to aim with!

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>>33550123
This is why I drink.

>It's my dominant right eye only
Can you shoot with a monocle?

>>33550377
Only if you practice german acedemic fencing

>>33550384
Damn, I'm not nearly skinny and angry enough. Oh well, I can always shoot left handed.

>>33550377
Loosened up that kydex with a lighter. Working nicely now.

Are you going to have a go at the drill with black powder?

>>33548274
this man get kilt

>>33550716
Fucking awesome!

I am, I reloaded a box of cartridges for my Remington 1858 reproduction

>>33512440

Maybe a modified version of the Navy Weapons Qual?

http://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/navy-weapons-qualification-course.html

>>33553820
>Navy weapons qual
That article is BS, the shotgun portion is literally "Here, point this down range and pull the trigger"

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now to start practicing

>>33555403
that's a nice stash of repair centers

>>33555403
You at the range? I just found out my dominant eye vision is poor so expect a challenge once I get glasses!

>>33549430
>baffle in the thrower
Getting one ASAP, just grabbed another RCBS case tray and a stand for the powder thrower. Probably just going to run with that for now.

>>33553820
>First line: Discharging a full automatic weapon on a ship is definitely not a good idea.

SINCE FUCKING WHEN?

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FUCK MEEEEEEE

>scrape together 50 rounds
>2 strings of (5) at the 50
>feelin good
>DOTM time
>rape the 25, rape both the "timed" at 15
>rape the first 5 "rapid fire" at 15
>put a fucking shot in the northwest most part of the repair center somewhere in the last string
>could have had a 287 barring that fucking errant shot
>went from PB worthy to literal garbage

clearly not posting it, here's the last 10 rounds I had in the box from the 15 with the 10 second par time, basically this with the shot more north and outside the scoring zone

just fuck my shit up senpai

>>33557567
Welcome to bullseye shooting. This is common even in competitions, it only takes one fugged shot to tank your score.

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>>33557567
that's great shooting, anon!

>>33560854
It is crazy frustrating.

>>33557567
How was your 50yd target? Got the holdover dialed in on a cold bore?

>>33560906
kek

>>33562650
had a very vertical but slim 14" group and a very circular 6" with one errant flier, POA/POI were god and I wasn't pushing left, I felt confident and warmed up, didn't need to start any mental fatigue so went right in.

Also, I WAS heeling the gun that consistently somehow, hell I think I still do, I duct taped the issue with more support hand thumb pressure pushing the frame down and right.

>>33555403
Should be a breeze with an optic.

>>33553814
The range got new Leupold spotting scopes. They are super nice.

>>33563549
>They are super nice.
Bad ass, I'll be there around noon barring acts of god. Unfortunately I won't have my new glasses to cheat and make a run at 300.

>>33563516
>I WAS heeling the gun that consistently somehow
The fuck? That is freaky.

Awesome stuff with the 50yd, I'll shoot a group with my USP today and post it so we can compare.

>>33563747
noice m8, I'm getting those 2.5k rounds in monday, I can see the bottom of all 3 of my 9mm cans right now ;___;

I might just suck it up and go to hell-mart and see what WWB value packs are going for these days to make it through the weekend.


bump limit in like 15 posts, hold on to your butts

>>33563869
Walmart has Federal Aluminum 115gr 9mm for $9.98 a box. I'll shoot some today and if the thread is up give you a report.
I wish I had pistol ammo stockpiledlime you lol

We're letting this one die outright this time correct? No new thread?

>>33563747
>I'll be there around noon

Shooting for around then, but need to grab some ammo first. I'll bring D.O.T.M. targets too.

My Savage .308 finally came in too. Really nice rifle for $319. Probably won't have it set up for today's trip though, as I'm lacking bases and rings.

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>>33563973

It's kind of the groups call - it looks like we are retaining a similar amount unique posters each thread.. So we haven't put everyone off yet kek.

I'm not going to tell anons when or how to make threads, but I'll be farming for a new PB all weekend and if I get one worthy of putting up - I'm def going to make a thread for it if one doesn't already exist.

>>33564084
Got a picture of the rifle? I have a .308 Savage model 10 FCP-SR that I love.

I also have a pack of B8 repair centers for blasting.

>>33564103
Copy that, if I get significantly higher scores I'll do that but if not I'll just save them for later.

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Thx for the protip on the aluminum stuff.
Also went through my ammo boxes like a crackfiend looking for a fix
Found 70 old winchester loads
http://www.winchester.com/products/handgun-ammunition/value/Full-Metal-Jacket-handgun/Pages/Q4172.aspx

looks like it's just old WWB or something

Either way I'll be able to get my shootan on now

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>>33566356
NICE! I'm on the range right now

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>>33567329
>Black Powder single action
>237/300

YEAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!

>I had to clean it every 5 rounds because it wasn't coming apart to reload.

>>33568347
Dude that's fucking awesome

>>33568347
How do you hold? On the same no rear sight boat.

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Why does my printer print these all fuckey?

+40 points for glock fotay...

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Team A/K/ checking in with my best effort so far. 295 with the wheelgun.

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>>33568580
Thanks! It was a blast to do, tons of smoke.

>>33568982
Flat across the top 6 o' clock hold