Is the J-20 better than the F35?

>>32338266
Is a fork better than a spoon?

>>32338273
For spaghetti and noodles yes.

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None. The SU-35 is.

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>>32338273
>Not using a spork

>>32338266
Look, the designs are good (since they are mostly or completely reverse engineered). BUT when it comes to manufacturing, its all utter shit. Forget jet making they cant even get steel manufacturing right.

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>>32338266
It's supposed to do things which aren't archivable by American designs.

So the question would be rather pointless.

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>>32338266
No, it isn't.

>>32338288
Missing the point. J-20 analog is F-22. Don't you think it's silly to compare a heavyweight, land based, twin engined air-superiority fighter with a lighter, single engined strike fighter that flies of carriers, with or without catapults?

>>32338394
>It's supposed to do things which aren't archivable by American designs.

Allegedly

>>32338273
More like are chopsticks better than a fork.

>>32338408
>different design coals
>enough to get butthurt

okay

>>32338405
I dont know. Thats why Im asking you.

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>>32338419
>coals

heh

>>32338394
I don't read runes, what is that image implying.

>>32338394
That pic

>This is what Chinese actually believe

>>32338422
It really is silly, I was being rhetorical. They're built for totally different shit.

>>32338450
design requirement was that the J-20 can reach the capitals of the bolded countries from selected air bases.

I met a Chinese guy at college who followed PLA news religiously and he also had tons of respect for American military hardware and America in general. Why can't you 50 centers be more chill?

Nobody visiting 4chan knows, and if anyone claims they do, they're lying.

>>32338266
No.

>>32338482
So its design requirement is something American aircraft cannot do, because American aircraft would not be taking off from Chinese bases to bomb Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam or India.

>>32338466
Are you talking about the J-20s distance capabilities or the borders?

>>32338535
The shorter combat range of American aircraft is an often discussed point in the military and industry.

>>32338561
Borders

>>32338568
>F-35 has a massive range boost over the 4th Gen planes it replaces
>F-15C/E is even further
>Red Bird/Lightweight Fighter program mostly to blame because a tiny fuel fraction was necessary to meet performance requirements

>>32338405
I don't think the J-20 has an American analog. I don't think it is a pure air superiority fighter.

>>32338404
While I agree that Chinese made jets are generally trash, since when was it considered wrong to reverse engineer?

>>32338592
> I don't think it is a pure air superiority fighter.

Of course it is.

>>32338615
It is clearly also meant for naval and land bombing, actually.

>>32338630
>clearly

>>32338612
Reverse engineering requires actually having the original to tear apart, analyze, and understand.

>>32338612
Reverse engineering is only good and credible if America or or an American allied Western and developed country does it.

>>32338612
Nothing wrong with reverse engineering, but that's all China ever does, and they produce poorly.

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good looking aircraft

>>32338630
China doesn't have the J-16 for fun.

>>32338612
Maybe because everyhing China does is of inferior quality and has a high probability of exploding.

>>32338690
I think it's the ugliest of the 5th gens.
A lot of it is how wide the body is, the small elevators, and how abrupt the line of the intakes/canards make.

>>32338669
>Implying China has ever gotten their hands on anything they could actually reverse engineer from

>>32338773
>A lot of it is how wide the body is

It's the opposite

>the small elevators

delta wings don't have elevators. They are called elevons. And the ones of the J-20 aren't small.

> and how abrupt the line of the intakes/canards make.

And that doesn't even make sense

>>32338790
They will soon when Isreal sells them the F-35.

>>32338773
>tailless design
>elevators

/k/ & aerodynamics

>>32338568
>The shorter combat range of American aircraft is an often discussed point in the military and industry.

Which one are you referring to?

>>32338405
There is nothing to indicate the J-20 is a dedicated air superiority fighter.

>>32338819
My bad, vertical stabilizers

>>32339019
Do you have a source reporting A2G weapons compatibility? Everything I'm readin only mentions AAMs.

>>32338630
Makes sense from their perspective. The USA has VLO air superiority, gound and carrier based multi-role, and strategic bombing aircraft, and are soon receiving a VLO long range tactical bomber. Also VLO surface ships. And China must counter these with one airframe. It's quite ambitious, honestly.

>>32339091
When was the last time you read about any Chinese air to ground weapon?

>>32338668
Chinese factories actually bought a Su-33 back in the 00s, while the YaK-130 is a licensed reproduction. Don't know what the fuss is.

>>32339466
Wow, 20-year behind 4.5s...

>>32338773
>I think it's the ugliest of the 5th gens
You're a fucking idiot, I'm a French and I love the Rafales, but the J-20 is just so fucking beautiful, clearly you have a small benis if you don't like them THICC

>>32338266
It meets the design goal of providing the appearance of relitive military parity between the US and China so neither side thinks it can push the other around and they can both continue to make fistfulls of money.

>>32338375
Oh look, internet tough guy/super expert

>>32340692
Well he is right about the steel part.

>>32338404
You know what's wrong with 4chan in general and k/ in particular? Retards perpetuate shit said by retards.

Half of your fucking pic is just completely wrong, and a quarter are licensed productions

>>32338773
You are fucking gay AND stupid.

>>32340715
You get what you pay for. Most poorfags (which means most k/unts) brake rotors are chinese.

>>32338612
Well it's wrong when it based off stolen documents. It's really bad in the commercial space where Chinese steal product data and recreate the product themselves with the sole intention of pricing out the people they stole it from.

>>32340799
>what is market completion

>>32340842
Competition*

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>>32338266
It's impossible to tell at this point, and anyone telling you otherwise is lying. We know practically nothing about the J-20 - not even what it's role may be.

It appears to have the potential to be a good fighter, but in the near term it's hampered by
>larger Chinese missiles that reduce internal payload capacity
>worse avionics than the West (though they have a decent chance of catching up here)
>engine development (what's really holding them back recently)

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>>32338592
It used to.

what good is a plane that's piloted by guys who have less air time per month than american hobbyist pilots?

how many can they actually produce?
how many they keep in a ready state?
how effective are they?
where are they going to get the engines?
how are they going to service the engines?

This isn't a professional military you're comparing. These are the same morons who's best of the best managed to suffocate in a diesel sub on a training mission. The ones who train to attack taiwan by landing on sandy beaches. The pussies who cannot stand a two day ICBM wargame without needing whores brought into the silo. The entire threat of the PLA is the incompetence of their leadership and the enormous stash of ballistic and cruise missiles.

>>32338612
There's nothing inherently wrong with reverse engineering, but if that's the majority of your output, then all you're doing is following the leader.

>>32341006
Dude we're just talking about the jets.

>>32338592
It's more a long range deep penetration striker. It's purpose is likely to strike key facilities in the 48 states.

>>32341031
I understand, my point is how do you compare a plane with maybe 12 existing copies coming from a country that can't build a jet engine or make the required software, with no known performance numbers vs an bureaucratic nightmare with known specification and more than 100 production deliveries and ramping production speed?

it's a shitty troll question so we might as well try and salvage an interesting discussion out of it on things like the capability of china to actually field a jet like this.

>>32341006
Holy shit i can smell the stale beer breath and the clanking of the keyboard.

A true internet warrior has arrived.

>>32341033
That's going to be a tough sell, F-22s frequent bases all along the way. Japan, Guam, Hawaii, and Alaska.

What we really need is for Canada to be a good helmet and purchase a 5.5th generation air defense jet based on enlarged YF-23.

>>32341073
>an bureaucratic nightmare with known specification and more than 100 production deliveries and ramping production speed?
And a historic track record for delivering the first models of each fighter generation and being constantly dominant in both quality and quantity?

>>32341125
I'm in agreement with you. My point is despite the bureaucratic garbage the f35 development has been beholden to, it's in production with units being delivered vs a literal unknown coming from a country known for at best making unlicensed copies of russian jets

>>32341099
ah yes, thank you comrad, i can see how you've proven, despite all the efforts of imperialist propaganda house SSI, that china's military is not in fact a paper tiger but a threatening world superpower to be feared by americucks everywhere!

let us celebrate with a song celebrating mao's greatness and pledge continuing allegiance to our Party during our PLA mandated maxist-leninism study session!

>>32341211
You sound like a 2nd year ROTC cadet.

My advice: talk less, learn more.

Your threat assessment is way off, junior.

>>32338803

You're not wrong. Why we didn't fob off the F-15SE on them I have no idea.

>>32341884
Because it doesn't exist, is a stupid idea, and the F-35 is better long-term.

>>32338266
>made in china
Another question?

>>32343582

so is everything you use that you are shitposting from

>>32343724
No, it comes mostly from south east asia, but even if it were true there's a huge difference between shitposting and deploying an airforce.

>>32343755

Do you fly? Because things like wings and elevators of your airbus and Boeing are made by AVIC

>>32338489
> i met an enemy spy and didn't report him to the FBI

one job

>>32343879
>wings and elevators of your airbus and Boeing are made by AVIC
Do you realise the bullshit you wrote? Wires and other supplies why not, but the wings...

>>32338266
f-35 is a light fighter, like f-16 / mig-29
j-20 is a heavy fighter, like f-22 / f-15 / su-27

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J-20 is the sexist 5th gen aircraft right now

>>32338437
I'd tear the skirt off that J-20 and make her cum so hard that I'd get her to say "The Diaoyu Islands are Japan's"

>>32338266
Nope.


>>32344315
The J20 is more like faster F117, its a regional strike aircraft.

>>32343937
There's a lot of Chinese military fans, nothing that guy said raises any alarm bells.He should only report him if he caught the Chinese guy snooping around a lab that does defense research or something.

>>32345478
>The J20 is more like faster F117, its a regional strike aircraft.

What kind of bullshit

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>>32338773
Agreed anon, it's even worse than Russia's smooshed pencil.

>>32340566
This burger will agree, J-20 is gorgeous.

>>32345026
>The Delusions are real

>>32340566
>J-20
>big

You mean slender. Wingspan is barely 13m

>>32341073
>12
There's 24 and counting

>>32345026
>THINK IN CHINESE

>>32338375
Correct.

>>32338773
Dont worry anon, youre not alone.

>>32338266
If you're asking which would win in a fight, probably not. If you're asking which would be better at the J-20's mission (bullying SEAsian airforces on their own turn from Chinese air bases) probably the J-20.

>>32341109

Hence "48"; they're presumably going to stay away from Hawaii and Alaska.

>>32338404

China already invented gunpowder; why spend money on R&D when other nations can do it for you?