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Foreign Legion Edition
>implying anyone uses IRC
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For Ranger info, obviously.
All around SOF website. Great info and run by former/active members of every SOF unit. Mentor program. Also has forums for international SOF.
For all Army SF info.
For Navy Corpsman info.
This is an all-inclusive thread for MARSOC/Force Recon stuff. Good site for Marines info too.
For Coast Guard info. Good site, lots of vets able to answer questions.
For info on the Australian Defense Force, and how you can shitpost on the world stage.
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Ask questions, get advice from retards, bitch about recruiters, accuse each other of stolen valor over melty-cheesy hot pockets and diet double Mountain Dew.
got done hanging out with my ranger acquaintance, he shed some light on selection, RASP/RIP/ROPE, and his actual missions.
i asked how bad is the washout rate, i had heard it was close to 70%
>easily. probably close to 25% on the first day
of course PT is bad, but HOW bad?
>the most grueling experience of his life. his PT instructor qualified for the Olympics. twice. in track and field. you need to be able to keep up with his sub-10minute 2mile over to the field for PT, do PT until failure, then the same run back to barracks.
there's a lot more, but these are a couple things that stuck out and I've heard people ask about stuff like this here
after a particularly terrible day of running and rucking, they get woken up in the middle of the night, and get into formation outside. drill instructors tell them to go inside, grab everything (bunks, beds, lockers, anything not bolted down) and assemble it outside.
they line back up, the instructors of course tell them to put it all back. then they lined back up again.
>do it again.
>10 times in all.
when they were done, the sun was coming up. they had about 20 minutes to "sleep" before they had to do morning PT. then they did a 12 mile ruck. he said this was as close as he got to quitting.
>tfw entered in 2011
>tfw got my patch and got out
I think being a slick-sleeved specialist is a fate worse than death.
From left to right, descending
10th Mountain, 25th Infantry Division (ID), 101st Airborne
1st Armored, 2nd ID
1st ID, 4th ID
Those are the 10 active duty divisions.
i like frogposting
besides people kept asking
3rd ID isn't a bad unit, but it seems every person I've seen wearing that patch outside of Ft Stewart is black. Like fuck bro, every black guy it seems has a 3rd ID patch. I wonder how many Popeye's are on that post.
Guys who are disillusioned by what they perceive as political-correctness-run-amok in the US military seem to think that the Foreign Legion is a throwback to the 19th century or something, while at the same time being an elite mercenary force that is thrown into every post-Colonial bush conflict France gets involved in.
This is all patently false.
Plus, to join the Legion, you need to not only be extremely fit, you have to look skinny (they don't like bulky guys), you have to buy a ticket to France and basically sign your life away for five years. Oh, and even then, you only have a roughly 10% chance of actually making it in.
Very, very few Americans actually join the Legion, while the Ranger Regiment probably has its fair share of medics.
Question about MEPS and criminal background
>Here we go again
I'm 28. When I was 14 I got a stupid disorderly conduct (stupid kid prank), and back when I was in college I got an open container and a disorderly conduct (pissing in a parking lot).
I ran my records on my state police website, and nothing came up. My recruiter told me he ran my background check and nothing came up so I should keep quiet on it because they were stupid, I was never arrested or fingerprinted and I'm golden.
I'm going for an MOS that requires secret clearance. Am I fucked? Or is the advice correct, since its not showing I'm good to go?
For the motivational statement on my OCS application, if I'm applying for a few different positions will it look indecisive if I talk about them or say which ones I would prefer? Is it bad and how should I write this thing? Does the motivational statement even mean that much to them if you have a strong application otherwise, unless you say you're a staunch pacifist or something dumb like that?
I've been in for about a year now, and i fucking hate it. You guys lied to me, all of you. This isn't hard, it isn't challenging, it's highschool PE and daycare.
Fuck all of you, and fuck the service.
We never promised you a Rose Garden.
I love it when one of the kids who falls for the .mil recruitment thread that 4chan gets paid to support comes back to vent.
So where do they put the fed contractors that troll these sites anyway? Are you working on base or do they let you telecommute?
i get paid a modest $75,000/year plus benefits and 401k to shitpost from home. about twice a quarter i submit my findings and research to Langley, in person. when i travel to Virginia my flight is paid for and i get a $200/day per diem check.
What level of fitness and physical strength would you people who've actually served recommend?
Ausfag if that matters
I can meet the basic requirements for army training but I suspect they're the minimum, and I /should/ be stronger and fitter than that.
Nope, that's pretty much exactly what everyone says it is going to be when you enlist in a job like that. Dumbass teenagers always think people are warning them away from retard-tier military jobs because "noballz, combat arms is hard", but they're doing it because life sucks.
>This isn't hard, it isn't challenging, it's highschool PE and daycare.
>people will seriously complain that their work isn't hard enough or that they're bored most of the day
The biggest indicator that you've never worked a real job before in your life.
i wish 35N would come back.
iirc, navydepper failed basic, and 13f gets cold and hates PT so he's in the process of getting discharged in AIT.
>these are the people giving you advice
There's also 48G, who can show us what office life is like when you make half what your age group peers in the civilian world make.
Then there's Ricky, who tells us a cautionary tale as he guides us down a path of steroid abuse and underage white trash girls.
>half what your age group peers make
FAOs can pretty easily push six figures in their 20s. That's not bad considering the cool training they get, benefits, and the ability to retire in your 40s.
Unless you have a STEM/law/finance degree, none of your peers will outearn you as an FAO.
I'm having an Army recruiter come over to sit with me and talk about enlistment. I have a few questions for him but I'm not sure what else I should ask. What are some good questions?
You should have an idea of what jobs you want, ask him about those and the likelihood of getting them.
You should also have an idea of what skills and interests you have (i.e. you like math, you like fixing mechanical things, you want to fly, etc), you should ask your recruiter about what jobs are out there that satisfy those skills and interests, because there are jobs out there that you've never heard of and/or never considered.
Ask about the rate of promotion in those jobs, the rate of deployment, the training/certification opportunities, the typical workday/work environment of those jobs.
Ask about the various places you can or could never be stationed with those jobs.
Since you're posting on /meg/ you should probably ask your recruiter about being able to enlist while suffering from crippling social anxiety and depression. It comes up a lot.
If your recruiter does not know these answers, he should find them out for you or at the very least point you in the direction where you can find these answers yourself.
That's because you're a fster, a bastard of two branches. You guys have it easy because there is no work for you to do, especially in DIVARTY. Don't act like it's easy because you're a badass, it actually is easy.
So I went to MEPS Friday and was sure I wanted to go Navy Corpsman, turns out they didn't have any slots open for our and I couldn't get in. I had a 95 on the ASVAB, so they told me nuke would be good for me. I instead just told them off I can't be corpsman I'm not interested and then had to deal with my recruiter on the phone bitching at me, and two other recruiters for trying to get me to change my mind. Finally they had some nuke program coordinator talk to me into that again. Only people who was real with me were the doctor examining me, and the two corpsman in medical doing my shit and the guy in charge of the navy recruiting people there. Their advice to me was with my credentials go officer, but if I really want corpsman I'd make a great one, but would be a step down. They ended up sending me home and I didn't sign anything, but my recruiter was so assblasted it took him 4 hours to make a 1.5 hour drive to bring me back home.
Sorry for personal blogging, but if anyone has any questions I'd be happy to ask
i don't understand these guys. your recruiter knew damn well what slots were and weren't available. he also knew he wanted you to go nuke.
why these people think we want to sign a multiple year contract on something on a whim is so fucking crazy to me. we know what we want. if you can't give it to me, kindly fuck off.
>maybe he'll change his mind after a 15 minute lecture about how cool it is
Question about being an Aviation Warrant Officer in the Army.
I'm currently applying for it, my recruiter told me I have a good chance. I was torn between going Warrant Officer or Commissioned Officer, but what swung me was if I go Warrant, I will be guaranteed to fly helicopters and not get an MOS like Chem or Logistics or anything I don't want.
Now my only issue is this. I know that once you become an Officer, a lot of doors open for you in terms of career and education.
So my question is this. Say I spend a few years flying helicopters as a Warrant Officer. Would I be able to ever get a commission, kind of like how enlisted are able to go to OCS?
You did the right thing, bro. Your ability to walk away is literally your only power in this negotiation that will shape the rest of your life.
A lot of guys cave to that pressure, they get a lot of Nuke recruits with those last-minute tactics.
iirc he is in the process of chaptering out of basic
Could someone explain this process to me? Do you just say you don't want to be there anymore and you can just leave? Is this considered a bcd(bad conduct discharge)?
It's a general discharge if you quit before six months, basically like your enlistment never happened.
It can take months to process though. Your buddies who didn't quit will leave and go to secondary training or their first unit and you will still be sitting there in BCT as a useless quitter.
>Could someone explain this process to me?
It starts with you saying you don't want to be there anymore and then you give a reason. "I'm suicidal and/or homicidal" is the standard one.
Then your commanding officer gives you the "Son I am disappoint" look but is ultimately relieved, since the loss of a shitbag can be worth the paperwork.
Your chapter paperwork then goes to legal, who ensure all the paperwork is filled-out correctly. If anything needs correction, it will be kicked back to your commander to rectify the deficiencies. Your commander will then recieve the thumbs up from JAG.
You commander will give you the final read. However per the regulation, your command has to allow you time to appeal the chapter.
90% of the time, it's a general discharge.
Just go back every month and check if there are slots open. Might be a while, corpsmen slots are limited and we're fighting to gain rank amongst each other because of the overmanning on blueside. I wish you luck.
I go to MEPS. I don't say anything about my several minor citations from a decade ago (think $50 fine-level stuff).
I get through and they never find out about them, but then I go to get a Top Secret clearance. They ask me 'Okay any crimes or drugs?'
>Well actually, yeah. When I was in college I got a few minor citations, and I smoked pot and tried molly and coke.
What exactly happens? Is my career destroyed because I kept my mouth shut back when I first joined? Do I just avoid going to TS jobs to stay safe?
I'm talking about that navydepper fuck. Regardless, both of them are "that guy I knew in basic who quit like a bitch", and should feel like bottom-tier fucks for wasting precious chow and oxygen.
Avoid ts/PRP, they will find that shit out. My buddy in BMT was separated because they found out he smoked pot when they were looking through his shit for TS. Also if you don't tell them about citations its also grounds for separation of they find out.
No matter what you're doing, you want to exceed the standard. By a lot. I don't know how the ausfag military ranking system works, but the U.S. military gets evaluated on physical fitness, and the better your score the easier it is to pick up. Plus if you're not fit you will be made fun of, and all the cool jobs require good fitness.
Lots of niggers in lower echelon jobs, like cooks or supply or some basic ass shit. They tend to shy away from infantry and spoopy operator work because it involves water. Mexicans are in the marine corps and fight for domination with the whites depending on the unit. There's a few slant-eyes here and there. They just exist.
What do you expect from someone that puts *insert military branch here* in their name before even serving day one? This should not be a surprise. Think of every overmothered teenager who tells everyone he's a future Marine. Every 20-something pudgy male who talks about joining and never actually sets foot in a recruiter's office. Think about Jace. Navydepper is just another flavor of Jace.
HM-8404 on deck, Greenside Corpsman for you plebs out there. Ask away if you have anything you want to know. If you're going to ask about 68W shit, I will make fun of you and possibly try to help.
BMT is basic military training, and if you meant PRP that's personal reliability program, they do an in depth check on your finances, lifestyle and your past to see if there is any chance that you will sell secrets for money. Its not TS but it's a very long and personal process, you have to be interviewed multiple times among other things.
My recruiter did the FBI background check and told me it came back clean. I searched my state police website for my criminal record and nothing came up. I called the court houses in 2/3 places where I got in trouble, and they said there was nothing at all.
But the THIRD place I called said they could see my disorderly conduct.
Again, these were very low-level stuff, but I'm going for an MOS with secret clearance. Are they going to find that if it wasn't on the state police record or FBI background check?
My recruiter told me to defintiely not worry, but obviously I'm a little nervous.
Secret clearance is cake, i wouldn't be worried at all. I have it, and I know a lot of people who have done some dumb shit and have it. It's nowhere near as investigative as TS. You should be good if there's nothing huge you are going to/already lied about.
That depends on what you want to do with your career. Yeah, you could go officer, and in a way follow medicine by becoming a medical officer and making some good guap and being a physicians assistant. You could go corpsman, and hopefully get a victory unit or at least greenside if that's how you like to roll, or work your dick off for recon. You wouldn't make the best pay and you'll be living enlisted life, and you aren't a licensed doctor, but you're respected and valued in a different and very unique way. I, personally, wouldn't give my shield up for anything.
I think the questions ask if you've done anything in the past six years or some time frame like that. So if you stay clear for six you should be good to go because you wouldn't be lying, also if you do go for a TS after you've been in, you can put your sergeants and others who've you worked with as recommendations and if you're in good terms with them their good word will help you out as well.
you need a doctorates for the medical officers and PA though right? would they pay for it or you gotta apply first? victory unit?
if i were to go corpsman, i'd love to go greenside at the very least.
They do a full background check, they ask people you know about you, they look into what you did before the military and try to see if you could be trusted with TS information, they do multiple interviews with you and I believe they still do a polygraph for some Fucking reason, it's bullshit technology. They look at your finances, your credit, your health records, pretty much every aspect to see if you've left anything out of lied when enlisting.
Will the army care that I own a lot of guns?
And when I say "a lot of guns," I mean a few dozen registered in my name (and some that aren't, although I suppose there's no way for them to find out about that). Would that throw up any red flags?
And what happens if you did?
Say you spend 4 years doing an awesome job being a great asset, totally clean. Then you inform them that yep, back when you signed up you didn't mention the drugs you did.
Victory unit is infantry. Even then, you're not guarantee'd a line position (embedded in the platoon). There's other POG greenside stations. The very best greenside corpsmen are Special Amphibious Reconnaissance Corpsmen. They qualify to work with Recon, Force Recon, MARSOC, SEALs, DEVGRU, PJ's, Rangers, Green Berets, and Delta. In regards to being a PA for the navy, PA is not a doctorate. If you go to OCS/Naval Academy/ROTC you're on a scholarship, and (I'm not entirely too sure about the officer job selection) you apply to get a certain type of job. The Navy pays for the education, and you do your job. You fall under the hospital corps at that point.
Pic related, SARC with MARSOC
It depends on the drug, anything illegal of course is grounds for seperation, but my friend when he went through the interview process admitted to smoking marijuana and they gave him a waiver for it. It is up to your leadership at that point though. They could chose to waive it or they could separate you.
No, faggot. If you take them with you to your duty station you need to clear it through your command and have a place to store state legal weapons. If they aren't state legal, leave them at home or store them in the armory.
Won't my recruiter get tired of sending me up there if they know I will constantly turn down anything that is not corpsman?
Thanks for that, I really appreciate it, I wish it could've worked out, but like you said I wasn't going to cave for anything less than what I wanted
To be fair in not sure if my recruiter has access to what is available at the time, but my understanding is that air force and army recruiters do have access to that information. It works be hell of a lot easier if navy were able to check availability for jobs before they send people to MEPS. Though you're right about it being stupid how they think they can change some people's minds in 15 minutes by telling them how "cool" a job might be
SARC is what I was ultimately wanting to go for before they told me they had no corpsman slots open. I feel like >>28921125 and I are in similar situations, I really want to do something medical, but feel like if I go the OCS route I might not be able to do medicine. I don't know how competitive I'd be anyway, I'll be graduating in May with about a 3.2-3.3 GPA in biochemistry.
Who fucking cares what your recruiter wants? He literally exists to get you in the navy, and he gets brownie points for putting people in undermanned rates that are hard to get into because of scores. The recruiter won't deny you for persistence. He wants you as another tally for his quota. Make that lazy fuck do his job. If they start playing games, go to another recruiting station and talk to them. Don't cut yourself off from doing what you want out of fear. The navy isn't going anywhere. Shoot for what you want. You'd have an easy go at corps school. Field med isn't very taxing either, just a haze fest. SARC is a whole different animal after field med. I know some on how it goes for them.
sarc would be cool but those guys are at peak physical condition which im not. the medicine part was always interesting to me and studying and shit comes easy to me so im not even worried about that bit. i majored in biochem and that shit was easy
Doesn't matter what you say to the military at MEPS. The military does not do your clearance. The SF86 is for your clearance, do not lie on it.
Anyone telling you to lie on your clearance paperwork doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about.
The SARCs I know worked to get that physical prowess, and they gained a tolerance to pain through their training making it easier over time. You just have to want it. I'm working on a package for SARC myself. You really can get there.
Hey fuckwit, stop giving advice if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. This is why there are so many rumors around clearances.
There's no poly for a standard TS/SCI. You will get one for certain assignments if you need it, but it'll be very limited in scope.
Getting a clearance is easy: don't have bad debt, and don't lie. The vast majority of denied clearances are because someone heard a rumor and decided to lie about dumb shit that doesn't stop a clearance unless you lie about it.
It's not a "have you been a good boy" test, it's a trust test. You lie, you fail.
>There's also 48G, who can show us what office life is like when you make half what your age group peers in the civilian world make.
This is a pretty dank meme.
I don't know any of my peers making $200k a year. I definitely would not be making that much on the outside.
Dank meme though.
For higher level clearances, it isn't a background check, it's an investigation. They go to your home town and talk to your friends and family. Then they ignore all the nice things those people had to say and ask around for more people that know you. They get the good dirt from friends of friends.
>making $100k in the Army.
Nigga, you were claiming to make 80k just a couple threads ago. You get a raise or something?
Be proud of your poguery, but don't claim you're something you ain't.
You ain't a soldier, and you sure as fuck ain't a top earner.
Tell us stories of how Janice in accounting keeps microwaving Indian food or something, but don't bother trying to tell us what military life is like. You've been shot down so many times on that front, I'm astounded you haven't learned yet.
O4 pay starts around 72,000 base pay. Add in 20-30k untaxed BAH/BAS, then language pay and any other incentives.
Income will break 100k, but since you're being taxed like you make 70 and you pay nothing for healthcare, a civilian equivalent job is more like 120-130 range.
So six figures is entirely believable. It gets even more insane if you're somewhere like Hawaii or on TDY a lot.
God, what a trope.
Look, m8. Any job in the real world that services upper-class Americans comes with a whole raft of benefits that are functionally no different from your BAH. You've got you BAH, I've got profit-sharing, stock options, 401(k) match, etc etc.
You've got the GI Bill? Good for you, my company paid for my masters and is paying for my doctorate too.
The funny thing is, you're using them to puff up your salary, while I make sure that everything I get is pre-tax or tax deductible to try to keep my salary as low as possible in the eyes of Uncle Sam's tax man.
what do you work as? i wish someone would pay for me to keep stuidying. and teach me what stocks are and how to use them.
how long have you been at that? as an incoming officer how long until i can make that dough, is it rating/mos specific, i guess the bonuses are since base pay is the same?
Is it just me, or does 48G spend most of his time on /meg/ justifying his existence in the Army?
No offense, 48G, but maybe you need to reevaluate your shit, or just drop your trip?
Work in defense. Lockheed, BAE Systems, Northrup Grumman, Raytheon, they're all basically the same in terms of benefits. Nearly all of them have tuition reimbursement.
I'm a software engineer. I was hired via a Veteran's Assistance Program. They paid me for full-time work while I only worked 20 hours per week while finishing my masters, the balance of which was paid by the GI Bill. They're still paying for my Ph.D, but I have to work 40 hours per week now. :(
In terms of picking stocks, basically all companies' 401(k) providers offer financial services including personal investment advisors.
I played it safe and bought laundromats instead. Those things are cash machines.
howd you get that job? was it related to your mos/rating/air force job thing?
wish i studied some meme engineering instead of f ucking useless biochemistry
do they need workers or was it just because of muh veterans that they gave you FT pay for part time work
I don't want to be the one to say "nuh-uh" but it really seems like you're the one suffering terminal colon-inflammation.
What exactly do you contribute to these threads beyond, "I'm a POG officer, and I make tons of money. Also, FAO is super high-speed."
Also, you're a public servant, your salary is public, we all know how much money you don't make. Give it a rest.
Help the kids who are considering military careers or piss off, to be entirely honest.
I'm a CPT with 8 years in.
As a new officer your pay is garbage, because they know you're stuck and you can't get out. O-1 pay is terrible, but you get a huge pay raise at O-2, which is about 18 months in.
Around about O-3 is where you start getting paid very well. That's typically about 4 years in.
My MOS was entirely unrelated to my job. I already had a degree in Computer Engineering, but I enlisted after 9/11 and became an 0861 with 2D ANGLICO in the Marines.
After I got out, I started posting my resume on Monster.com and my employer saw "veteran" and "computer engineering" and that was that.
The "full-time pay for part-time work + studying" is a benefit they give to all employees if they're getting a bachelor's. I negotiated to get it for my master's.
The only "spank you for your cervix" benefit I get is a primo parking spot. But I'll take it.
8 years? did you want to be a career officer from the start? i dont know if i want that, if i did i wouldve applied for aviator instead of SW, hope i can switch if i like being in the military. how do you get BAH and shit? you gotta be cucked into marriage?
a laundry? thats neat, ive heard that before around 4chan a few times. never really thought much of it since the only one near me has half their machines broken down. thats really fucking cool of them, man i hate my field but ill be damned if i have to waste my time and get another degree in 4 more years. who qualifies as a veteran anyway, just the dudes who saw combat?
fucking biochem man
You're either ass blasted, trolling, or you don't read these threads. I mostly answer questions and correct stupid advice/info. "Military pay is bad officers lawl STEM no moneys" is stupid info. Using my own pay as an example is a good way to provide evidence. It's not about me or the fact that I'm fucking awesome (which I am).
I don't think I've ever even once posted about being a FAO. That's just in your head.
>40+ paid days off a year
>$20,000+ tax free allowances a year
Define "services upper-class American", because military bennies are way better than anything you will find in most middle class jobs. Some cushy STEM jobs will treat you nicely, but even most white collar office jobs have shit benefits compared to the military.
No, it was 2007, I'd just graduated from college, and the economy in Michigan was ass. Could not find a job, and went OCS. Most everyone who knew me said I would hate it. Turns out, I like it for the most part.
There's always a carrot to get you to stay a little longer. A promotion, a school, or a PCS. Also, switching jobs gives you a new obligation.
I used tuition assistance and got a free MBA. Then I signed up for FAO. That's pretty much it for me... I owe until about my 17 year mark now.
Seriously. They are cash machines. I have my fuckup brother-in-law manage them for me (and my other brother-in-law check the books to make sure he's not stealing from me). They are about as low-effort as income can get.
When you're in, don't buy a Camaro. Save your money. If you don't spend any of it and live like a monk for a couple of years, you'll be rich as Croesus when you get out. When left alone, money tends to multiply.
You should be able to get a job with your biochem degree. Also, anyone who served counts as a veteran for most employment purposes, even 48G, who put himself in for a Purple Heart that time the A/C broke down in his office. :^)
I hear about my officer buddies all getting MBAs for free from the military. Army, Navy, Marines, every single O-3 it seems.
Can you explain this a little more to me? Is it a program open for enlisted and warrant officers as well? How do you choose what school/area of study to focus on?
For example, my one buddy is currently getting his Masters in History and is going to then be assigned to teach at the Naval Academy. Sounds great. How does one persue a program like that?
did the companies financial advisorr give you this option ? or did you do your own research and went in with your gut?
always thought biochem sounded badass you would be creating the T virus and when breakout happens you can go on pol and make a real happenings thread ....
You pay for all of these programs with service obligations. You can definitely apply as enlisted/warrant, the vast majority of people who get picked up for these programs are mid-career officers.
The MBA thing is mostly a scam.
There's education that you have to go to as as officer, and generally speaking you can get graduate school credits for that military schooling. These credits are mostly to MEH schools, you're not getting a fancy degree. So, I get 9 credit hours for attending a 6 month long military school (Captain's career course for Army) and I'm like... well, fuck it, sure whatever.
For me, it was mostly because my undergraduate GPA was such complete ass that I wanted something new to provide that I wasn't a 20 year old slacker anymore. It will help me get into much better graduate schools in the future.
As for other programs, there are tons, you just apply. There's a large need for instructors at the academy, and you'll get either a masters or PHD to do those. (PHD obligates you to stay in the army until 28 years in service). There are also other programs like training with industry and advanced civil schooling.
Really interesting. I ask about the Warrant Officer thing because I just dropped my packet because I want to fly helicopters. Is that whole opportunity going to be closed off to me because of that? Should I go running back to the recruiting office and say I want OCS instead and hope to get Aviation as my branch on the OML?
Just trying to keep my post-service life in mind.
>did the companies financial advisor give you this option ? or did you do your own research and went in with your gut?
Both. She gave me a number of options and prospectuses of how I could invest, and I did my own homework.
If you decided to just start picking up some mutual fund shares tomorrow from Vanguard or wherever, they would offer financial advice as part of their services. It's not always "Buy more Vanguard Funds" either. Once they understand your financial situation, they'll have plenty of options for you to grow your money.
I'm not a financial wizard or anything. The only financially non-standard thing I did was not blow my enlistment bonus on a flashy car or a Harley.
yeah thats pretty much the reason why im going OCS right now. how many years of service did you have to give for it? so because of that+your new mos, you gotta stay for 17 years?
ill only buy a japanese rice cooker. i just want a nice comfy job afterwards.
nah its pretty gay, a BS in biochem qualifies you to work as a lab monkey, but i cant even find work in that
If you want to fly, stay warrant. If you want to go to grad school...just go to grad school.
I'm enlisted and the Army paid for my Master's degree, and I didn't even use a special program. I just took the credits I got from training and used tuition assistance. I could still have the GI Bill pay for a doctorate if I end up wanting one.
Warrants have fewer special programs like that available to them, but not for the reasons that you think.
Warrants are specialists in doing a certain thing. If you take a warrant away from flying for 5 years to teach history or work for Microsoft, that would fuck their abilities and career.
>how many years of service did you have to give for it?
OCS is a 3 year active duty service obligation.
>so because of that+your new mos, you gotta stay for 17 years?
New mos: 3 years
Language school: 4 years
FAO grad school: 4 years
Most special programs are a 3-for-1 obligation; for every day you spend at language school, you owe 3 days. Same with grad school if you attend full time.
You can go to OCS as a warrant, there were 3 in my class.
Most don't. It's a totally different career.
PCS is Permanent Change of Station, it's when the military moves you and your family someplace. You owe a year every time they do that because it's expensive.
The Naval postgrad school is just another military school that officers have to attend.
>TFW your NEC is considered critical and your command is pushing to have you reenlist in exchange for E-5 and a pretty sick SRB
>Advancement to ET2 is 15%
>Really considering going for it
Don't fall for the trap like I'm going to, boys. Do your four or five and get out.
Ricky where the fuck are you bro?
did you know anyone that went through RASP that wasn't 11/18x? like intel? did they actually get to go out and kick down doors with you? did they get a scroll?
>He fell for the combat arms meme
If you're not either retarded or PATRIOTIC AS FUCK then you're just going to be bored and that's it.
Should have been a POG. 35T here, only time I'm bored is when my unit remembers I exist. They never remember what I do, so they try to assign me to bullshit. Thankfully my Chief isn't a fuckstick and he's usually able to get them to bugger off so that we can go unfuck all the things that 35F and 25B break.
3.5gpa or so, decent ASTB scores and youre in. they need pilots
you get a wishlist of planes once in preflight iirc and they try to give you the one you want. those faggots at airwarriors would have more info in their site
O-3 is LT in navy apparently, they have that ensign and JGL thing going on, wonder if people would know the difference.
holy hell that dropoff in O-4, like 10 years in apparently to qualify for the board compared to like 4 for O-3.
Would it be worth going into the air force after college to be a pilot, what's required. Also if you have bad eyesight can get lasik and will they pay for it or would you just not be able to fly at all
It depends on how bad the marine corps is hurting for corpsmen and if there are slots available. A lot of us went, and if they didn't they went after their first duty station. Just push for it.
I'll be enlisting at 21, I'm studying for ASVAB and getting my flabby ass in shape until I turn 21 in November. Should I talk to a recruiter before I'm ready or just wait until I'm 21 and ready to pass my exams?
Also, I have about $2,000 in debts, the majority of which is a student loan debt I'm paying on. Will this affect my security clearance eligibility? I'm looking to be a Master at Arms, then a Legalman.
My 14 year wife's son wants to fly jets, what is the best path for him?
Hey look, another anon who doesn't understand the clearance process. The military is your sponsor, OPM does the investigation. You're filling out two different sets of documents if you go to MEPS for a cleared job, and they do not go to the same people.
You don't really get a choice anymore. Only top of the class get a chance to maybe pick. The top person in my class wanted a hospital. He went to field med and got sent to K-Bay with a grunt unit.
You hope they send you to FMTB-W/E with orders stating you're going to a greenside unit. The volunteer thing was long ago, now it's luck of the draw due to overmanning and lack of deployments. That, or you could go SARC.
So if I'm understanding you correctly, you have a better change at getting a sarcastic contract than getting greenside just because it's completely random, and you can ask to volunteer for sarc
Anyone here a 37? A or F? How did you land it? What was POQC like? What do you do? Any of that and/or any other information you can provide to me about psyops would be appreciated. I don't know how relevant it is, but I'm reading through Psychological Operations: Principles and Case Studies right now, and have an old FM 33-1 from the 80'to page through as well.
>greentext to draw the eye
I'm saying SARC is the only route that will get you to a combat ready marine unit (Recon/Force Recon) or possibly a SOCOM funded unit without any sense of doubt. You making it through that pipeline, or anyone for that matter, is not even close to a sure thing. In essence, I'm saying you could get fucked either way.
Anyone here talked to/was/is aircrew either in the Air Force or Navy?
I want to join the military, but don't want to really be combat arms nor powerpoint ranger. So aircrew looks like the best option, they got lots of training and shit
Is there one branch particularly better than the other for this position?
Don't want to be a rescue diver or PJ or something, just aircrew
Navy and Marine Corps has pretty cool aircrew dudes. Keep in mind no matter what branch you can be thrown into flights where you take/return fire, especially on CASEVAC missions.
I don't think I meant helicopters, more along the lines of being in a plane, since they travel quite a bit more.
But quick googling gave me loadmaster and a few equipment operators
Looks like USAF and USN guys go to SERE school, looks pretty fun
So I decided to quit my junior college and join the navy. I'm 90% done through the process and am going to sign for navy nuke this week.
With that said I have received 1.4k from uncle sam through the pell grant and I am pretty sure theyre gonna ask for it back sometime soon. What I'd like to do is actually use that money to just fuck around until I ship out in october and pay it back whenever I reapply for schools. Is this possible or what?
I already filled out my SF86 and whatnot and I already got my transcript so it should be good right?
your worldview is fucked and you're a loser. you will always be a loser.
you didn't join the air force as a seat jockey because you want to see what it's like and make up your mind about special operations, you did it because you're a pussy. you will never make the transition. you know this yourself.
the constant and delusional viciousness you pass out to those who are willing to try where you were too scared tells us more about you than anything else.
Just give the money back. Don't dig a deeper financial hole to "go have fun". Go in with a clean slate. Your friends will have plenty of booze for a going away that they can share.
I'm an 18 year old senior in college, and I will be graduating fairly soon. I won't even be 19 when I get my math bachelor's.
There seem to be extremely few people in my situation who actually consider joining the military. Can you give me any general advice?
I'm guessing I'll go for a commissioned position rather than enlisted. Otherwise, idk anything about what I wanna do. in the military. idk if I wanna do the military. But, it looks interesting, so plz give advice. Thanks a lot.
I guess it looks interesting because the "civilian" world will make me kill myself... not actually, but I'm really not excited about it. On the other hand, it seems like I could get to try many different things in the military, depending on what exactly I go for. I would say that in terms of doing commission stuff, I'm good with anything besides physical engineering type things. So for example, I'm good with both being an infantry officer, or being some computer guy officer, but I wouldn't wanna be a mechanical engineer.
Well, I know. I suppose if I say I'm not interested in the civilian world cause it's full of bs, you'd say even moreso for the military. But, idk. How do I even go about finding out whether there's anything in the military for me to do? I have basically zero experience with the military. I've never even shot a gun in my life.
Also another general caveat I have. I'm a dual Israeli-American citizen. People have told me that since I have American citizenship, I won't have any problems with that in the military, even with "classified" or whatever things, and that at most I'd have to renounce my Israeli citizenship, and even that isn't likely to happen. What do you guys think of this?
Anyhow, I'm just really lost in general because there's NO ONE I can find who has my situation. sigh. But, I wanna find out if the military has anything for me.
Long story short, I ended up getting un-processed because of medical QC checking two days before my ship date. I've got all the medical stuff done on my end and next week I'm going back in to enlist again. I need to reselect a job and I'm split between 35F and 35Q, and the big draw for 35F is the possibility of getting into RASP since Ranger would look good on my resume.
Looking to not get shot at, but still do everything I can. 35F or 35Q?
Political, no, but certain jobs and postings would not be available to you because you are a security risk.
I'm talking about less than 1% of all jobs you could do in the military. It wouldn't be an impact on your career.
>joining organization made with the single intention of waging war
>doesn't want to get shot at
You're a leech. Don't enlist.
You want to best leverage your skills for the DOD?
Apply to the NSA as a civilian. Largest employer of mathematicians in the country. Plus you'll be surrounded by people who make you look like a retard instead of the other way around.
I'm thinking about trying out for the foreign legion, I like the discipline and camaraderie and I think it would make me a better person in general. Any army men or former legionnaires that can give me some of advice or share your experience?
A relevant recent post:
>this a good year to join the FFL?
There is never a good year to join the Foreign Legion, because once you've joined the Legion, you're now in the Foreign Legion.
While you may be deployed to combat zones (scratch that, you will most definitely be deployed) it will not be for very long or very often. The French Army does not like to wear its soldiers out on endless deployments.
Nor will you do very much, since France uses the 1er RPIMa for the high-speed stuff. The Legion gets sent on endless patrols, but little else. The LE is most definitely not a special operations force. It is regular army. The Legion isn't even used as a an expendable "first in, last out, soak casualties so the real French won't have to." Just plain-old regular Army, and everyone in the Army assumes you're stupid, since you probably don't speak French very well and you also joined the Legion.
Finally, it is guaranteed that you will spend AT LEAST 50% of your contract working as a janitor.
Source, ex-Legionnaire, 2004-'09.
That's exactly the kind of info I was looking for, thanks! I'm not really burned on joining the FFL so are there any other armies I could try out for? My country's army is pretty terrible and pretty much never gets deployed as far as I know. I heard the Russians take up foreigners in their army but I'd have to learn the language first.
Sort of. The thing is I needed a particular class which was filled and since I couldn't get in I didn't really think it was worth commuting 2 hours for 2 classes. But that's just me.
Yeah you're probably right. I'll just sell off some of my shit stocks and fuck around with that for the time being.
Judgmental eh? Alot of what seems to be covered during the nuke school I've already learned, at least on a conceptual and fundamental level anyways. As to whether or not I'm up to the actual job, who knows ~~~~~
With that said I'm nowhere near graduating so officer isnt really a choice at this point. Also the only real reason to do nuke is the money. Not the enlisted pay mind you, but once you get out and all that jazz. Anyone actually interested in the field is better off going to school and getting an engineering degree or what have you.
They don't do any of the fighting. They exist to support the infantry. Without them, the infantry would still function and complete the mission. When that technology fails, which it eventually will with the enemy countries developing tech to fight ours, sonar techs will sit on their hands, and do nothing. Saying that a sonar tech does more for the fight, when they do none of the fighting, is absurd. The infantry does the fighting. POGs exist to help. Boot.
>Qs support infantry.
Confirmed for knowing nothing about the MOS.
How does it feel to live in dreamland where regular infantry is still relevant?
SOF supplemented by death robots is the way of the future, anon.
You'd need to disclose anything--even if expunged for a TS clearance. If you don't disclose and they find out (and they will) you're in deeper shit than you would be if you had simply come clean. It looks like you're hiding shit, which is the entire purpose of a background investigation.
"A Cryptologic Network Warfare Specialist performs initial cryptologic digital analysis to establish target identification and operational patterns; identifies, reports, and maintains Intelligence information in support of Commander's Intelligence Requirements and uses technical references to analyze information", I.e. Support of friendly combatants (infantry/SOF). Your job exists for the ones who do the fighting.
>hurdur, a strat only job probably supports company-level infantry commanders
Confirmed for knowing nothing about Qs. Good job Googling it and failing to figure it out. Don't quit your day job, grunt, you couldn't get anything that pays that much on the outside.
Why would anyone want to know anything about your shit MOS? Plus, you fail to realize that literally every other job besides SOF is created as support for combatants. Literally everything. Yet, for some reason, You have this high horse for no reason, while you sit in your rolly chair and get fat off of snacks from your closest shopette, and think you're above the infantrymen. I'm not a grunt, my job is also, you guessed it, support for combatants. Like everything else. God damn, you're more cocky than most SEALs, and you literally have no reason to be.
I don't need to feel superior to grunts, the extra pay, training, and quality of life are good enough for me.
But, no, I don't support combat arms, and the fact that you think the military is still footsoldier-centric is pretty quaint.
You make the same money everyone else does for your pay grade, qt3.14. You joined the military and are in a shit job, it's okay to try and play "I'm smarter lol grunts r dumb" game. Just know that nobody really respects you because you haven't, and will do, absolutely nothing except spout "muh bennies and clean boots".
Whats a good mos that dosent require me to sit at a desk all day, i actually do stuff, and would have a high probabilty of me geting some action in the midle east if we go agin
>dont care about where i get stationed in the world
That's a tough one. There are a very limited number of Active Duty enlisted -> Academy slots every year, and they usually are not filled.
However, your timeline is very short if you decide to enlist first. Max age to start at the academies is 23, and the entire process is something you want to start about a year out. That pretty much means you need to be doing it during your initial enlistment or it will be too late.
If you're looking at enlisting when you're 18, you could be hanging out in DEP for 3-6 months, then 3 months of basic, then secondary training can take another 3-12+ months.
So you're probably 19 by the time you get to your first unit, maybe older. But you know absolutely nobody there, how are you going to get the sign-offs and support you'll need to get that packet up so you can leave for the academy? So you work another year at your unit, get in good with your leadership, and probably make E4. Now you're 20 years old.
Two years to get that packet in and get off to an academy seems like a ton of time, and a totally reasonable career plan, but so many dudes don't pull it off. An injury, getting in trouble, deployment, all sorts of shit can get in the way.
If you want to go to an academy, apply while you're in High School. If that falls through and you really, really don't want to do ROTC, then think about enlisting.
We never had enough applicants for green to gold or academy programs in the units I've been in. You definitely could go that route, but it relies upon your command liking and recommending you.
Side note, I've heard from two friends who were enlisted first and then went to West Point that the academy bullshit was very painful after having done "real" military stuff already, and that they mostly hated their classmates. Might keep that in mind if it sounds like something that would drive you crazy.
Tons of jobs are "more exclusive than Special Forces" if you want to count every single career field with less than 7,000~ people. That's like half the MOSs in the Army for starters. There are a shit ton of green berets.
22 years old, will be 23 in May am I getting to old? I'm 1 semester away from graduating with an AA should I enlist after this semester and try to get a intel/it job? That's what I want for a career, am looking at Army for the guaranteed jobs instead of Air Force
23 is far from too old to enlist. Whether you should enlist now depends on how you're paying for college, really. If you've already got a scholarship, I'd just finish your four year degree and try to get a job as a civilian. If you need help with finishing college, enlisting could be a good option.
If you do that, use tuition assistance to finish your degree during your enlistment and then get out and get a job at an agency or DOD contractor. Optionally, go to grad school with the GI Bill. Lots of options.
I was just looking at all my options really. Though being an officer wouldn't be too bad, and considering my branch (Coast Guard) it's either an officer there or an officer on a commercial vessel.
wonder why i didnt get a (you) fucking 4chanX, i want my fucking (yous)
anyway you should lurk there and generally see what the applicants stats are as theyre "checking" in to each board.
degree ive found they never cared about
gpa generally >3.2 if its lower than that, the ASTB scores should be really good, like 55 6/6/6+ kind of thing. waivers that you may need may also make a difference between applicants. anything else helps
sure, just brush up on super basic physics, math and reading which is SAT level, and the aviation sections, which are history+aviator knowledge, this one section with a joystick+headphones, and this one section where you're like on a drone looking at a parking lot
18, got in trouble in December for smoking pot in a park with my friends. Didn't get a posession charge, just a non-parking citation for being in the park after hours. Will this even remotely affect enlistment opportunities or going to an academy? Haven't smoked weed or been in trouble since.
>did you know anyone that went through RASP that wasn't 11
The Regiment is composed of more than just 11 series soldiers.
>did they actually get to go out and kick down doors with you?
If you want to be in the stack, be an infantryman. I'm not saying that our enablers don't get into the shit, but everyone is expected to know their place. An enabler's place is going to be wherever his skillset provides the most benefit/utility.
A 13F more concerned with playing infantryman, instead of being an artist at calling fires/deconflicting airspace/etc, is a shitty 13F. Our 13Fs are some of the only personnel in the Army who are qualified JTACs (and required stay current). The Regiment did not pay for them to attend SOTACC so they can be booting doors rather than directing air. The same applies to medics, SIGINT folks, etc. This will get you RFS'd in short order.
>did they get a scroll?
If you graduate RASP, you're a Ranger, the same as any other - combat arms or not.
19 here, how conceivable is it to become a ranger and then attend West Point before the maximum age? What's the earliest anyone could go to ranger school? As soon as you graduate infantry school?
Becoming a Ranger and going to ranger school are two different things. Getting a shot at becoming a Ranger is as "easy" as getting an Option 40 contact and doing RASP. As a Ranger, you'll get ranger school before you become an NCO, but probably not immediately.
If you just want a tab (the school) and not a scroll (RASP), don't bother enlisting. Just go as an officer, junior officers get a lot of school opportunities.
>19 here, how conceivable is it to become a ranger and then attend West Point before the maximum age?
Pretty much no chance.
You'd have to complete IET, then RASP, (assuming you graduate) then you'd have follow-on training and be getting hammered in Batt until you're to the point where you're proficient enough that getting RFS'd isn't your main concern.
At that point you still have no experience, and unless you're some kind of fucking complete stud who walks on water, you're not getting a command endorsement.
>What's the earliest anyone could go to ranger school?
Ranger School is administered by TRADOC and has no connection to the Ranger Regiment, other than the fact that all Rangers in leadership/specialized sections are required to be Ranger School grads.
Pick one, or the other, and take the time to educate yourself on it. Choose what you want and work towards it - the chances of you doing either are minuscule and you're not going to make either without a lot of research and hard work.
Hey /k/, I'm joining the Air Force to discipline myself, make use of my aircraft knowledge, become financially independent, and give my life some direction/purpose.
I'm generally anti-authority, dislike formality and professionalism, and hate being told to do things for no reason beyond "because I said so." How do I become comfortable with the fact that I'm going to be working for the system? Also, how much of my life is going to be "sir yes sir" once my training is over and I'm at my first posting?
Whats the policy on alcohol inna barracks?
Specifically the Mreens.
also, you still have to be over 21 right? 'cause I've heard some conflicting shit on that account.
I've been paying out of pocket and I'm tired of it, I need some direction in my life so I figured Air Force/army would be good for me. I've been brushing up on the asvab and I figured I can get a decent score. I just want something in the 3D/1n or 25/35 mos
now that i think about it, for army OCS is it an application like the navy or more of an enlistment like sign up and go?
is it needs of the army or do you apply to the programs? or is it like a general field like marine ocs? psyops, whatever you do and 35 series shit seems interesting, would prefer infantry but peacetime infantry seems stupid.
Is there anything you'd recommend to someone that wants to become a ranger with regards to actually passing RASP? Anything that might prepare someone beforehand for the toughness that they'll face and how to overcome it?
For the last time: If you want to be an officer, ROTC is what you want, not OCS.
OCS is an application, yes, your packet goes before a board, if you're selected you go to actual OCS and then compete for which branch you get to go into (your AOC, like an officer MOS). If you're near the top of your class, you might get your first choice. If not, you might get whatever is left. Infantry and intel are always very competitive. Things like PSYOP and FAO (what 48G does) are opportunities later in your career, not basic branch choices.
Short answer deal with it.
Long answer, dealing with it is part of being self sufficient. You following through with whatever you're told is important, regardless of why. Discipline isn't gonna magically manifest itself, it's something you essentially have to force yourself into, which is why it's discipline. However the environment created by enlisting is a good place to try. If you continue to be a fuck up, you'll drop out and be back where you are now. So it is worth a shot. I know it's gonna sound shitty but just going along with what's being told to you will get easier and it's only a hassle to talk back. This isn't applicable only to the military either, being financially independent pretty much relies on you having a job. Once you cross the hurdle of dealing with people it makes being independent a lot easier and you can focus on pushing yourself for improvement. I'm speaking from experience too.
And you got in? You had to get a waiver right? I have a history of anxiety and I want to enlist, but I don't know how hard it will be to get a waiver. I imagine I'm going to have to pretty much bend over backwards to get one, since I've had to get a lot of treatment for it and such, and my current academic record is very poor from it as a result.
You guys probably get this all the time, but I'll go ahead and ask anyway:
Last year I was taken to the hospital because I was pretty depressed. The Doctors said the depression was biological, and my moods were triggered by a lack of serotonin in my body (or something like that), and the reason for the lack of serotonin was because of my lifestyle at the time (didn't socialize much, typical 4chan autist)
Right now I'd consider myself a completely changed man; I work out frequently, no longer play videogames, very sociable, etcetera. Since my little downtime I had last year I have not experienced that sort of sadness again.
But I still did spend 1 week and a bit at the hospital and I'm afraid that this has gone on a record somewhere. I've read that if I bring documents to the ADF from doctors/therapists or something confirming I am now okay I should be fine. What are the chances of them still turning me down? Sorry if this question is a little hard to answer. Cheers in advance.
You can look up the disqualification criteria I think. I recall that if you spent some time in a hospital you may be disqualified, but this amount of time may have been more like a month. Also if you were officially diagnosed with it, you may also be DQ'd.
Keep in mind that even if you are disqualified, then you can get a waiver. Since you spent so little time in there and you're probably fine now, your chances might be reasonable. If you didn't take any meds at all, your chances are also much better.
t b h you're probably completely good to go, the only thing that sticks out is the possibility of having a history of depression, and I'm not entirely familiar with how they deal with that in terms of DQ'ing you.
Talk to a recruiter about it to be sure
Remember to talk to a recruiter about it senpai, and don't get your hopes up
If you have depression on your record at all, it may still be very hard to get in because it's peacetime and a bunch of faggots have been killing themselves making it harder for people with histories of depression to get in at all.
If you end up being DQ'd, I would suggest to wait until we are at war to try for a waiver, to maximize your chances. Oh, and score really high on the ASVAB and be a PT Stud with a college degree for best possible chances
You might just be fine though. Only a recruiter would be able to tell you for sure desu desu
>I'm generally anti-authority, dislike formality and professionalism, and hate being told to do things for no reason beyond "because I said so."
>How do I become comfortable with the fact that I'm going to be working for the system?
You have to be 18 years old first; 17 if you're parents say you can.
>Also, how much of my life is going to be "sir yes sir" once my training is over and I'm at my first posting?
Better get used to it faggot.
Army OCS is both! You go through MEPS like any enlistee, and also put in an OCS application. You sit before a board that interviews you and gives you a rating. If you are selected to go to OCS, then you enlist.
I don't know jack or shit about the Navy, but from what people have posted in these threads, Navy OCS is actually easier to get into and get a half decent job than Army. Of course, that's just retards posting on a Moroccan macaroni art newsgroup, so could be bullshit.