Sigs. That long trigger pull has always bugged me. Is it designed so that you always have the slack taken-up? Does a SEAL walk around with his trigger half-pulled all the time when in combat? I started to imagine it like a clutch lever almost- something you keep tension on. Am I over thinking this? I've never fired another pistol like it.
I'll school you since I too was confused as fuck and the p228 was my first gun I ever shot and I know how confusing it is.
It's specifically designed to be carried with a round in the chamber. The heavy Double Action pull is meant to be at ~10-11lbs so you don't accidentally discharge it because its so heavy that you need to make a concious effort to pull it.
After that, every other shot is a crisp and light 4lb Single Action pull. There's guns like the 1911 that are Single Action Only (SAO) but instead of a Double Action pull, it uses a manual safety instead.
And yes, seals and everyone else train on the DA to SA transition. The sig's Double Action is actually very smooth for a DA trigger pull. It's one of the best DA/SA production guns you can get really. I've practiced enough with my p226 where the DA isn't a problem at all.
Thanks for your reply! Good video too.
It doesn't specifically answer my question though, as there is a comparison to the Beretta M9 -- I had no trouble training on SA/DA with that pistol, but the sig always seems to have a looooong trigger draw, despite whether or not the hammer is down. I was at the range and rented a sig, and I felt pretty stupid thinking there was a safety I hadn't disengaged pulling the trigger all the way back....it turns out I hadn't pulled the trigger all the way after all, and I found myself doing repeated shots with all that slack taken up, keeping the trigger on the edge of dropping the hammer, as it were. Any insight?
He's talking about the trigger reset, and the answer to your question is that Sig makes a short reset trigger (srt) that can be installed on any of their pistols, so that way on your single action shots if you release the trigger it doesn't go all the way forward, and the reset is right at the breaking point.
Though, I will point out, you AREN'T supposed to let the trigger all the way out between shots regardless if practicing proper trigger discipline. You only let the trigger out til it resets.
Aha. Here is two different points of view.
On the M9, your trigger is going to be in two different positions, for SA and for DA. That first shot takes some getting used to.
Which brings us back to my original question; training with the sig and its long trigger pull, no matter if the hammer is cocked or not.
The long DA pull is designed for you to not shoot yourself in the foot. However if the DA is too long for your tiny female hands then consider getting the E2 grips.
>but the sig always seems to have a looooong trigger draw, despite whether or not the hammer is down.
That's fucking weird. I'm probably going to be wrong but by any chance it was a DAK Sig? Their trigger is consistent in travel and around the 7lb trigger pull. Maybe I'm just not comprehending your post correctly.
Do you remember if there was a decocker on the side like in pic on the right?
on any pistol, of any length of trigger pull, you should apply a steady, slightly increasing pressure until the trigger breaks. no stopping, no slowing, no waiting,
some pistols have a longer trigger pull than others, thats just life I suppose
Nope. I've got the fundamentals down. I'm talking about an issue that makes the Sig unique.
I'll try to illustrate what I mean.
>posting some poorfag RIA brand 1911
Modern 1911 have less a pull than milspec brands.
>get into a shooting
>wait hold on, let me calm myself so I can breathe properly and regulate my heartbeat
OP here. It's not about the weight of the pull, or the fundamentals of pistol shooting. I"m all set on those. What I'm inquiring about is LENGTH of the trigger pull on subsequent (SA) shots of the Sig.
Is the long SA trigger pull on the Sig an intended feature and how is it used? In combat, is it intended that the shooter keep the slack "pulled" to just before breaking?
If you're a competitive shooter, do you do the entire 2" of travel on the trigger, or do you hold the slack?
Or let me speak 4chan: Are Germans, despite their engineering genius, autistic?
>hasn't learned to control his stress under pressure.
>Is the long SA trigger pull on the Sig an intended feature and how is it used
mine isn't very long, but it should be used as any trigger on any other hand gun
>In combat, is it intended that the shooter keep the slack "pulled" to just before breaking?
no, the gun should be returned to DA if you are not going to fire additional shots
>If you're a competitive shooter, do you do the entire 2" of travel on the trigger, or do you hold the slack?
Again my SA isn't that long but a competitive shooter should be prepping the trigger before reaching the next target, or before it returns to the same target.
>single action pull
>same as double action pull
are you high or something? it's the same basic thing as the 92FS.
I agree with the other anon, stick with your 92 then because either that Sig was broken, a DAK model, or you brought your confusion hat to the range.
OP here. Thanks for your detailed reply.
Nope. It wasn't. It's a difficult question, but the format of 4chan I thought would make for an interesting discussion.
The trigger position on the Beretta changes from DA to SA. The Sig's trigger doesn't change (in my experience). I don't know whether the one I rented was a DAK or not, but I remember the trigger returning to the DA position, though the hammer was back and a round in the chamber. There was a lot of slack to take up thereafter, hence my question.
that's not correct at all. the trigger should be in a middle position, an SA position, just like a Beretta.
top picture is DA position, hammer down. bottom is hammer back, SA position. this is how it should be. there's a tiny bit of slack on the SA but not like a TON, less than a 1/4" for sure.
My insight is that you're a mouth breathing fucking retard sperg.
Just pull the fucking trigger you dumb faggot. No one else has this sort of insanely complex issue with something that isn't complex at all.
I mean seriously, for fucks sake. Do you expect to point the gun and have the trigger pull itself or something?
>its long trigger pull, no matter if the hammer is cocked or not
This contradicts my experience with 226, one of which I happen to have. The pull is distinctly different for DA and SA. Hell, the trigger position is different when the hammer is cocked.
SRT someone mentioned is awesome. Both the break and the reset are crisp, reset is about 2mm trigger travel at the tip.
I heard that Legion SAO trigger is even better (from the guy that paid premium to get specifically the SAO, which is pretty unobtanium), but didn't have a chance to shoot it.
That is exactly what was implied. In what possible way could you refute that?
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We all know what your face looks like, Jon Ramirez.
I would imagine it's because of you're use of the word civilian and your belief that having a tricare card somehow makes an individual calmer under pressure than a civilian when both walks walks of life have situations and occupations ranging from care free to suicide inducing.