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Unlike Ausfalia who have to depend on the unreliable failure F-35, Indonesia is one of the handful of countries with the technology and resources to develop its own indigenous stealth fifth generation fighter by 2020

>Indonesia to Start Producing IFX Jet Fighters in 2020

>TEMPO.CO, Bandung - State aircraft company, PT Dirgantara Indonesia, will start producing jet fighters "Indonesian Fighter Xperiment (IFX)" in 2020, its President Director, Budi Santoso, said.

>"We will begin producing them in 2020 and continue for the next 20 years," he said here on Thursday.

>The aircraft will be produced to meet the Indonesian militarys need for two squadrons of jet fighters and will be sold abroad as well, Budi added.
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>has the technology and the resources
>implying it won't just be a tacticool looking F16 clone with the majority of the money channelled to govt. cronies.
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>>28900642
> Korea is one of the handful of countries with the technology and resources to develop its own indigenous stealth fifth generation fighter by 2020

Fixed
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>>28900642
>India pays Russia to build the FGFA
>Indonesia pays Korea to build the IF-X
>"LOL INDIGENOUS TECHNOLOGY STREET SHITTERS STRONK"
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>>28900694

>UK/Ausfalia pays US for the F-35
>get a plane that doesn't work
>"A-Anglo master race"
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>>28900642
is this thread an advertisement? Australian officials don't post here that much, and probably won't make their procurement decisions based on a 50 cent posters advertisement thread on a chinese cartoon site.
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>>28900642
I know there's a difference between India and Indonesia, but you're a designated shitter anyway.
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>>28900642

Is this a joke? "Indonesian Fighter Xperiment " reads like some crappy pharmacy toy plane made in China.
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>>28900642

I've got to get one of these for my kid. It even has a little G.I. Joe pilot!
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>>28900745
Indonesia actually has the second largest population of open defecators after India
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>>28900642
>Indonesia is one of the handful of countries with the technology and resources to develop its own indigenous stealth fifth generation fighter by 2020
kek'd. fucking hard! you should try being a comedian.

Indonesia just purchased a bunch of glorious Su-35's. They will also buy T-50's when ready. There's no fucking way they can produce a 5th gen aircraft on their own. Next to ZERO chance.

>>28900681
>Korea
nigga pls. Korean minister had to resign after US refused technology transfers necessary for Korea to make their own plane. They can't even make an AESA on their own.

And before someone brings Japan, their 5th gen project will eventually fail. It's just too expensive to produce a 5th gen plane.
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>>28900642
You mean Korean. Indonesia just giving the Koreans the money to help develop it.

Hell, they're putting in less work than the British are with the F-35 and no one claims the F-35 is a British plane.

>>28901552
One of the biggest reasons the US refused that technology of transfer is because of Indonesia, they don't want them to have access to it.
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>>28901633
>One of the biggest reasons the US refused that technology of transfer is because of Indonesia, they don't want them to have access to it.

Bullshit. The biggest reason was because they want them to buy more F-35s. It's a lot more profitable to sell them a complete solution than to sell them a license to make their own parts and become a competitor down the line.
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As a true Asian, indo-niggers absolutely disgust me.
1. They mix breed with animals to produce a bastardization of the Asian race
2. They smell nasty and eat nasty food like dung and rotten carcasses
3. They are fucking stupid, dragging the average down for everyone
4. They belive in the dune cone god, therefore automatically deserve to killed and their lands seized.
5. They breed like rats, only good at consuming resources and shitting out more rats
Fuck, Someone needs to gulag all these jungle monkies
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>>28901855
Why do different kinds of Asian all hate each other?
Korea/Japan/China/Indonesia/Vietnam, etc..
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>>28901916
Best korea hates worst korea government and japan, worst korea hates the kims and japan. Japan hates china and best korea, doesn't understand why worst korea hates them. China hates japan and using best korea.
Every other race/jungle monkey/human rat are just squatters that need to be put in chains or exterminated
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>>28900642
Indonesia are so adorable!

Please attack Australia, I'd love to see what happens.
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>>28902084
>doesn't understand why worst korea hates them

Kek get me the war crimes denial pic, someone
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>>28902101
>that one time australian forces encountered indonesians one in timor at night
>neither would give way
>australian goes up to the indonesian under parley and says to wear his nvgs for a bit
>indo sees the IR lasers trained on him
>indonesians fuck off immediately
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>>28900694
>India pays Russia to build the FGFA

Things that never happened. India hasn't signed the contract. They looked at the FGFA and thought it was shit and so they came up with pic related.
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>>28902343

also why does every single "independent stealth fighter program" look exactly like an F-35. F-22, or a mishmash of features from both.
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>>28902101

>webm
Are they ok?
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>>28903606
Nope.
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>>28903455

>also why does every single "independent stealth fighter program" look exactly like an F-35. F-22, or a mishmash of features from both.

Because stealth limits your options for shaping pretty significantly. Pretty soon, every new fighter will look extremely similar to the F-22 or F-35 unless somebody gets bold and tries for no-tail fighter.
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>>28903622

How do you know?
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>>28900642
Holy shit, are you cunts this butthurt we keep dumping your escaping nationals back inside your borders?
Or is this because of Timor?
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>>28903633
For now.

Once we developed materials with same properties like metal (like some new kind of ceramics) we will have planes wich are in modern radars undetectable and thus gives you more aerodynamic freedom.

Basically we made the plains guts out of detectable materials and use stealth to cover it.
Next step is to use stealth materials for the planes guts in its own so no stealth any more needed in the planes paint and stuff
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>>28903633
T-50 nor J-20 look like the F-22 or F-35.
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>>28902084
eerily accurate. whatever, im a twinkie who can't speak my own native language anyway. still, ROKAF's got some pretty cool stuff going on, even if its backed by LM.
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>>28903830
That's because neither of them are true stealth fighters, FAK AP is just a Flanker with a bodykit and J-20 a Mig-1.44 painted black
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>>28903830
Nope, nothing similar.
>couldn't even come up with different canopy latches
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>>28903689
Pictures of the bodies being taken away a few months ago.
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>>28900642
As if you little meme-monkeys know what the fuck you're doing
http://abcnews.go.com/International/indonesian-military-plane-crashes-residential-area/story?id=32117603
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>>28901421
>superpower by 2020 intensifies
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>>28901916
ASEANs pretty much tolerate each other save for the FF pairings
>Singapore w/ Everyone
>Cambodia, Laos with Vietnam
>The famous Thai/Burmese rivalry.
Outside those, everyone is ok with each other.

Its just East Asia that has a chip on each shoulder because every single one of them believed they were speshul a few hundred years ago.
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>>28904322
>mfw USA lost 8 nuclear weapons
I wonder how many of those nukes were "lost" so a spy agency could give it to someone without a paper trail
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>>28904446
East asians can't even drink milk.
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>>28900642
Isn't Australia giving you free military aircraft because your shit hole nation is too poor to afford their own?
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>>28900642

Pig's arse it will. Corrupt TNI officers will just pocket the money.

Indonesia can't even keep its existing F-16s, C-130s and CN235s in the air.

Pretty sad considering they actually fucking build those CN235s.
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>>28904499
We gave them 4 Hercs to do disaster relief

Course, the silly cunts don't really have us to worry about. No one in Australia really wants to blow up Indonesia, (well, maybe as a joke...) but the old chinks have a hard on for the region so most of the ASEAN countries need to step up their fucking game
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>>28900703

Poccия — cильный cтpaнa!
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>>28904229
nice bullshit
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Indonesia is regarded as a regional superpower, unlike Australia.
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>>28900642>>28900681

Pretty sure Korea's own T-50 thing had a shitton of help from the Taiwanese, who had a shitton of help from Lockheed when they built their IDF.
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>>28900642

Having first hand experience in dealing with the Indonesian military this project will

1. Never reach realization due to inherent corruption, Or,
2. Only be used by the military to maintain their own political influence over the government. Or
3. Be used against its own people.

1 and 2 being the most likely.
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>>28905168
Thanks for the laughs Siti.
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>>28901552

Nips have the money and tech to make 5th gen. F-3 is happening for sure.

They have operational planes with AESA since 2000. Before USA. Shit, Russia still don't have operational AESA. While nips put it even in their missiles.
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>>28903303

This looks like a plane designed by IKEA.
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>>28904549

Russians are aiming for 0.1 frontal RCS for PAK FA. That's a fucking joke not stealth.
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>>28905212
>being this full of bullshit
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>>28905334
>Nips have the money and tech to make 5th gen. F-3 is happening for sure.

Japan's economy is heading for the shitter. They can't afford a damn thing right now.
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It'll be as red hot as that stealth corvette they built
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I thought they were partnering up with South Korea and were to get a handful of them while the south got most?
And the original plan was for a literal stealthed F-16, just like those designs for stealthed F-15 and F-18
Its evolved into an original design but the intention is still the same

And keep in mind South Korea is getting F-35 too
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>>28900642

What's up with all this stealth fighter shit lately? There's a thread every couple hours about it or about this or that country making stealth fighters, and it's always people fighting over which nation has a better stealth fighter. What's so special about stealth fighters and why is there so much talk about it.
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>>28900642
The only 2 countries in Asia besides China And Russia who have militaries worth talking about are India and South Korea.

Indognesia can't make shit
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>>28905483
Even in a shit year Japan's GDP is 5x that of Indonesia
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>>28900642
Indons can't build shit, come on. The only thing they're good for is to be a japanese colony and that's it.
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>>28905546
Better photo.
>>28905334
They already are making their new fighter, without American help, because America won't give them what they want.
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>>28905561
>6x More Effective!
wow, "facts"!
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>>28900642
>the unreliable failure F-35
Builds a plane that looks exactly like an F-35 & F-22 bastard child.
If the US could hold on to their military secrets for more than 5 minutes, the rest of the world would still be flying biplanes
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>>28905655
Yes, didn't you know you can destroy 6x so many aircrafat... oh wait!
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>>28900642
But it will never be as effective as the wonder that is Iranian stealth.
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>>28905483

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/

Sure is heading for the shitter.
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>>28905520

China is a paper tiger. Their army has shit morale and bad training. While India is a fucking joke in every way.
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>>28905694
Nigger, they're offering loans with NEGATIVE INTEREST now to get people to spend yen.
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>>28905498
Third worlders used to fling shit at Murricans for making stealth planes then turned right around and desperately tried to make their own and now they're frantically posturing
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>>28905745

If that's truly the case it's fucking hilarious. Should be made into a polandball comic.
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>>28905745
The real joke is- that no one trains them!

As fucking irritating as it is to wait seemingly forever for the F35, pretty much all the Australian pilots who are going to fly them have been through the US training programs.
Russian training programs are at best a laughing stock for outside purchasers of their aviation hardware, may as well stick a monkey in the fucking things.
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>>28905520

>India

You're joking, right? Corruption, embezzlement, poor training (if any), incompetence and a rigorous chaste system within the ranks of every armed force is hardly the recipe for military might.
We're talking Saudi Arabia tier here, maybe just marginally better.
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>>28905520
There are only three military powers in Asia: China, Japan and the Philippines, that are relevant in the current territorial disputes.
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>>28905792
Ever seen the accident rates for the Indian Navy?
Go look them up for the lulz
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>>28905680
>So stealthy, you'll never see it in the air
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>>28905779
Malaysia regularly bests so-called US-trained Australian, Thai and Singapore pilots in exercises while flying MiG-29s for which they had no training.

Recently, an Australian air force general admitted to having been easily bested by Malaysian pilots in the days where they were flying F-5s and Mirage IIIs
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>>28905836
Mig29's have been around for what, 30 something years? I'd fucking hope they'd have figured it out.

Also curious on the 'besting' of the RAAF
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>>28905836

I haven't heard of any non-malay sources that praise the Malaysian Air Force that highly. Cope Taufan 2014 turned out pretty normal, with the standard PR releases and no notable stories about upsets or whatever.
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>>28905667
Must be hard to be that retarded.
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>>28905892

Actually, that may be indicative of the Malaysian Air Force being more competent than normal in that they don't feel the need to cover up their insecurity by having a press release about getting a simulated Raptor kill.
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With possession of Su-30 and Su-35, there is no Western-equipped air force in the region that can defeat Malaysia or Indonesia, neither Australian F-18F or Korean/Japanese/Singapore F-15
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>>28906039
Neither of them have any AEW&C
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>>28905546
>The only thing they're good for is to be a japanese colony and that's it.
Hey now! They were a good Dutch colony as well...
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>>28900642
lol found the guy thats never used anything "MADE IN INDIA" before

they thought there was going to be a technology transfer when they bought the last batch of planes from the russkies bwahahaha

tata builds a plane
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>>28905707
>Nigger, they're offering loans with NEGATIVE INTEREST now to get people to spend yen.
Uhh, no. They've got NEGATIVE INTEREST to try to devalue their currency, ie. their currency is too valuable for their export market.
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>>28901552
No one is buying the T-50.
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>>28906039

Russian junk is going to get eaten alive by western BVR missiles.

And F-15K shits all over Su-35.
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>>28904229
The J-20 is definitely not descended from the Mig.

They literally have design prototypes in airflow chambers from the 1970's that are the J-20's predecessor.
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>>28904526
What do the Chinese want with ASEAN?

The only thing they've ever had an issue with goes back to the days of the Roc in 1930 when they would battle over the SCS.

This shitty knowledge of history needs to end.
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>>28905334
>money

Lel
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>>28905817
>phillipines

I don't even know who is trolling who anymore. I'm outta this thread.
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>>28906119
Neither do their opponents.
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>>28906336
Yeah, its mostly just the exterior from a top angle thats similar.
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>>28906352
>What do the Chinese want with ASEAN?
They want the shipping lanes, hence they're building up artificial islands all through the area so they can have total control over what goes in, what goes out and ultimately, control of the ports through those areas. This isn't just spurious bullshit, you can look up exactly what China's economic foreign policy is for the ASEAN region.

>>28906375
RAAF has AEW&C, so does China and anyone else with a serious airforce.
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>>28906352
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>>28906474
I meant landwise. Not the SCS. Indonesia isn't even that close to the SCS.

And are ASEAN not doing the same?

The problem is that ASEAN nations are vying for control of the SCS, when practically none of their trade goes through there. China as the largest trading nation has almost all of its trade go through there.
If anyone has a reason to build up in the SCS, it's China. They are late to the game and that's why everyone is protesting.
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>>28906514
MEOW!!
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>>28900642

Am I the only one who is just genuinely baffled by what is going on with the F-35? How is it that there are all these supposed problems, yet we have tons of pictures and videos of it outside, doing things, and so many have been produced? I never put much stock in the negative F-35 hype because /k/ taught me to recognize Pierre Sprey type propaganda. But now this stuff is coming from highly official sources, like the air force itself. WHAT IS GOING ON?
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>>28906514
Look>>28906536
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>>28906552
Taiwan has the exact same claims.

The old RoC is what the PRC bases it claims on.

>>28906557
Because what you see is what the military wants you to see?
Is this bait?
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>>28906557
People not old enough to be aware of the exact same thing happening with the F-16 or F-18 shouldn't be posting on this board desu
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>>28906352
>>28906536

They want to control the international waters traffic plus some oil rumored to be on the atolls.

Plus their industrial trawling fishing ships are gonna ruin the ecosystem and kill the SCS if they get control of it.
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What kind of nation with the ability to develop fifth generation stealth fighters would build such a crappy looking model for their multiple billion dollar aircraft project?
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>>28906663

All projects start off as crappy models. You don't break the bank on something which only exists to demonstrate the general shape.
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>>28906679
But that ain't cool.
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>>28906536
ASEAN nations have minor disputes compared with China. China's justification for it is beyond absurd, too. It's based on a Kuomintang civil-war era claim, ie. the enemies of the ruling Communist regime, with spurious historical evidence.

It doesn't matter that it might be Chinese trade or not, that's like saying all the territorial waters in the Caribbean should belong to America, because their cruise liners go through it.

There's also the generally-agreed-upon international laws, which support ASEAN countries' claims.

Basically, China is evil and we need to foment civil unrest for the good of the world.
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>>28905836
Lol sauce on this "general" m8.
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>>28906375
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>>28904446
It's easy to see eye to eye when your all little brown jungle monkeys.
Singapore stands out cause cause they are actually chinks
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>indiamnesia
>somehow being able to develop indigenous anything
what the fuck is this, hearts of iron with cheats?
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>>28906824
I'm thinking it'll be like Top Gun mixed in with the time India tried to make an indigenous assault rifle
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>>28906039
Pass the crack pipe mate, they'd both get stomped so hard it's not funny.
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>>28906585
Oil hahahaah? Nah.

Trade lanes yeah because almost all of China's trade (world's biggest trader) goes through that region.

And ASEAN ships don't?
And ASEAN nations aren't fighting for control of the SCS from each other?

The waters are international. Anyone can fish there.
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>>28905817
MOST POWERFUL RACE
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>>28906715
Merely minor disputes that have led to three minor wars in the SCS. Merely minor.

Except China has as much of a historical claim as the other ASEAN nations.

International law gives control of the region to NO ONE.

The Chinese government is stupid as fuck for pissing off everyone, but acting like one ASEAN shithole's actions are better than China's in the region is stupid and historically incorrect.
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>>28906514
Step off the beach in brunei, get meowed to death by PLAN patrol boat.

But on the other hand, fuck those mudslims
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>>28906911
>Merely minor disputes that have led to three minor wars in the SCS. Merely minor.
...no.

>Except China has as much of a historical claim as the other ASEAN nations.
At a minimum, Philippines has a better historical claim over their area, because people have been living and fishing in the region.

>International law gives control of the region to NO ONE.
>what is UNCLOS

>The Chinese government is stupid as fuck for pissing off everyone, but acting like one ASEAN shithole's actions are better than China's in the region is stupid and historically incorrect.
You're wrong. ASEAN cunts' actions are better, because it's their own doorstep. China is coming in and basically fencing off their own driveway.
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Indonesia tried making a turboprop aircraft in the late 90s. To this day they only managed to build a prototype, as seen in pic related.

Most Indonesian airlines are banned in Europe, and major crashes are extremely common relative to the rest of the world. And yet people still like to pretend they're strongk and able to make a fighter?

Pls war us, I want to see you get btfo and put in your place.
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>>28906715
The chinks need someone to bully to make themselves feel better after getting out of their century of shame. Though luck for the sea beaner and jungle monkeys
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>>28906376

>The dream that was the Mig 1.44 is now realized thanks to China
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>>28905817
>self defense forces
>relevant
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