/meg/ - Military Enlistment General
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hi, I have mental health problems that I'm trying to sort out with a therapist. When I get my brain fixed will the Air Force frown upon my mental health history if I try signing up?
Don't be a Boatwain's Mate. Please, don't fucking do it.
I've just started talking to an USAF recruiter this week, scored an 88 on the practice ASVAB. I want to get into the mechanic jobs, how available are these positions now? Should i even consider Navy or Marine aviation?
No with an 88 do something smarter with yourself, pic related is all you do. That was me.
I asked this question last thread, but did not see an answer:
The first time I enlisted over two years ago, I did not get a bonus. I was discharged for reasons during BCT, and now I'm enlisted again with the same job as before, but with a $9,000 bonus. Why is this so? MOS is 35N by the way.
>mfw e4(p) and only got a 3k bonus as a 35N
I guess I just feel like I have to prove that not everyone from my generation is sheltered and materialistic. Like these guys don't get enough respect from millennials and I feel bad about that
Is Nuke really as bad as everyone says? I've been getting mixed responses about the school and the lifestyle.
>Why is this so?
Bonuses change all the time, for the same MOS.
I enlisted as a 35F in 2006, for a $2-3000 bonus.
A guy I ended up becoming buddies with and working with went through the AIT class two behind mine (so a few months apart) and got like $20,000.
There are tons of jobs in the military that suck, and a few that are pretty cushy and nice.
The problem with nuke is that they want someone who is smart enough to qualify for a cushy job, but the workload/stress sucks. Anyone that can pass nuke school can go into a better field.
It's peacetime. You will literally never, ever do anything medical during your enlistment unless you get a hospital assignment, which is very unlikely.
The most you expect to do is give an IV to your friends when they're hungover, otherwise the majority of your time will be spent sitting on your thumb in your aid station playing on your phone, pulling weeds, working on vehicles that are always broken and you'll never use, and basically doing everything but being a medic.
Even if you get assigned as a line medic, you'll still never do anything medical. I was in an infantry platoon and I know the battle drills and how to move shoot and communicate with them, but any monkey can learn an infantryman's job. You'll put tourniquets on in mad down drills, and everyone will either suck your dick for it or call you a shitbag medic for not having deployed.
Maybe, if you're lucky you'll get tasked to a TMC and screen patients for your battalion PA, I did that for a short time and it was literally the only time I felt like a medic.
If you don't get in a line unit, and if you do or not is completely luck, and get in a BSB, you will do nothing but equipment layouts and work in the motorpool your entire enlistment, dreaming about being in a line unit and actually getting to do something else
Medic is glorified a lot, and it can be cool, but not in garrison, not in peace time, You will never be a medic in garrison and your skill will erode from the moment you leave AIT.
Also, a medic ceases to be a medic the moment he becomes an NCO, which is nearly impossible as a medic because it's overstrengthed as fuck and promotion points are literally always maxed out. Medic NCOs don't do jack shit and I have never, ever seen one who knew how to be a medic after some time being promoted. Only the junior enlisted will ever do something medical, the NCOs just babysit them.
If you do become a medic, go Ranger or SF or flight medic, not a normal 68w.
Okay, but i really want to work with aircraft, and i'm in no way gonna be a pilot. I figure i go in as an avionics technician or something, come out being all chummy with Lockheed or something and work for them when i'm out of there. Is this a good plan?
Pic related is the ultimate goal.
Anyone thinking about joining the military, ask me anything
I will proceed to shit on you until you would rather kill yourself than enlist in this terrible organization. I will make you feel what I have been feeling for years
>peacetime only sucks for le medikz
>i wish i was where life is terrible and my friends might die so i can feel good about trying to help them even if the injury is too severe and they die anyway
i want reddit to LEEEEEEAAAAAAAAVVVVEEEE
>tfw have my nuke interview in like 5 weeks
>tfw have to relearn physics and calculus since Comp Sci major
>tfw dont even want to go nuke anyways
I really wanted to be a pilot, but got nuke drafted. I'd rather go SWO though than Nuke. I dont want to be disrespectful or anything at the interview, but I really, really dont want to go subs or nuke swo. Should I just tell the admiral that?
Best case scenario is don't pass the interview and get aviation instead. The more likely scenario is fail the interview and go SWO. But how do I accomplish this w/o looking like an asshole or being disrespectful?
I was in horrible, horrible shape and couldn't pass the APFT. Didn't help I sprained my ankle two weeks in and did nothing about it.
I'm shipping March 14th and got back in two days ago, so I guess that's pretty quick.
>not commissioning as a professional gentleman of arms
Enjoy your shit pay, you sorry bunch of plebs! You all have to work 12s while I go have a two hour lunch and leave at 1500!
Really though, anything in the technology or intelligence communities will get you a nice government/contractor gig post service and you won't hate every single day you spend in uniform.
Going Marines but waiting cause there's no fucking infantry contracts available REEEEEEEEE
Gonna try for 0311 Rifleman or 0331 Machine Gunner
My Coastie Dad is trying to get me to go Army instead....
Anyone on here done either of those or have any stories about it?
>actually wanting to go so bad you're willing to wait for it
You've only got one life, and that's how you're choosing to spend it?
If I wasn't such an asshole I would try and talk you out of it, but I'm just sitting here laughing at you
S1 pls stop losing my paper work. I'm sick of making copies over and over for packets that you're just going to "lose" anyway
You have on job, and across the board you all are terrible at it.
Get a army of one score in their aptitude test, if you join the royal air force ask your father to print out a job application then he can hand that in and your good to go. Be all you can be.
I smoke weed and that stagnates the motility of my seen what's are you saying. If I swing swing right back you'll have 3 second until I move on, in America you can swing on me 3 times until it's legal to return it right back.
Got a 97 on the asvab, 131 gt score. If I did go the 18x route how hard would classes and shit be after the q course (which assumes I make it through the q course and I know that's a pretty slim chance). And if I didn't make it would I just get dumped into the 82nd? Do I still have to ability to make a list of where I'd like to be stationed or no?
Assuming you're telling the truth you're smarter than 99% of the military and will probably hate being stuck working with all the usual mouth breathers that join
Don't waste your time and life and brain with the military
Most academic courses in the Army are 2-year degree level at worst, although there are some exceptions. The reason some people struggle with academics is because they never learned how to study.
If you fail you would probably get dumped in the 82nd. If it makes you feel better, nobody else gets a choice in where they get sent after AIT either. You do "wish lists" but they're immediately shredded.
>97 on ASVAB
>Smarter than 99% of the military.
Someone has no idea how percentile scores work.
Since the bottom 30%~ aren't even allowed to join, the military doesn't even have a normal distribution. Furthermore, SF candidates have tougher GT standards, so the distribution is even more skewed there.
Why the hell would I lie on an anonymous pangean coin collecting board? Any idea about my question of where of where I'd be stationed? And can I view my asvab scores online? I'd prove it to you if I could brother.
Haha yes, the famous wish list. It's literally a placebo to make new recruits feel good. They're completely and utterly fake and immediately discarded.
To be honest, it amazing me that they can keep a straight face when they tell you to fill it out
SF candidates have to have a 105 or 110, can't remember which. If you have a 110 you can join any job in the army
The average soldier probably between a 75-100. If someone has a 130 they're miles ahead of almost everyone
People love to talk about their actually ASVAB score but the GT score is really all that matters
Why even worry about a career when I don't understand what that means. If I get 30,000 I'm buying drugs and flipping that shut buying radios and and more drugs starting a group oh wait where did that go..... is that one whole check or you're biweekly kind of thanks for working in the military check e-1 gets 1100 (ass of) 2004 not counting uniform, special duty task. I get 11 for printing and making charts at a real estate office then get paid with dick for cleaning the toilets. And I'm not in a real estate office if I mind getting paid some dick.
Ehhh, I don't know man, I think the asvab tests how good of a test taker you are (for the most part). I'm decent at math/reading but I know fuck all about mechanical/electrical shit and still got a 131 just because I'm great at taking multiple choice exams
>MFW I was making $60k~/yr 3 years after enlisting.
>MFW you're still working for $11 an hour because you like to focus on how much E1s made 12 years ago even though you hold that rank for all of 6 months.
>MFW I have no face.
Pretty much how I am. I got upper high on the reading comprehension and I'm pretty damn good at mechanical despite never being a mechanic or anything
But I bombed the math portion so bad. Still got a 120 GT so everything in the army was open to me and I'll never have to worry about not being able to apply for army schools because of a low GT like several people(ahem, infantry) I know personally
so many welfare queens in here... you guys should try getting a real job.
Rucking, rucking and more rucking. Get to the point where you can do a 12 mile with a heavy ass ruck with not much problems
One of my best friends in my platoon recently passed selection and he said they went about 20-25 miles and it was hell. And he's fit as fuck too and it bothered him
I see this everywhere, none of my teachers papered me for a square plus b square assuming asvab is only a test in america. See why I don't vote, nice uniform oh it's sewn in the country my parents supposedly come from because I'm not ku klux klan white or a non accent holding African decendant.
Pedo college frat fed by a freemason maybe a mason himself faggot. Not saying that you're a faggot, we'll you are for saying that's your desk. This is my rifle, until I give it back . La la la
I know you're joking, but if people didn't volunteer in such huge numbers the US government would simply conscript people again, the draft is still around, you sign up for it when you turn 18, unless you're a female of course.
This. CTN / CTanything. Nuke workload and additional bullshit is just not worth it once you get to your actual job and a lot of people cave under the stress. Know firsthand of 8 people who've liked themselves while I've been in. If you don't plan on doing 8 years minimum you won't even get half the benefits the recruiter hypes anyway. Anyone smart enough to do nuke can also climb the ranks at max speed in other jobs as long as they're even marginally motivated. I watched a guy wash out early in A school, become top of his class in his new rate, and go on to out rank me in only two years because he wasn't an idiot and didn't dodge work.
Assuming you had a decent high school life if 2 females you say hi to, to two of their biffles which have no reason to know if your into girls or not then account for all the dick those 4 hoes suck that's 4 girls suckling one dick.
One female joins the military one joins the local police academy or moved out of state still become a douche cop anyway, that leaves two hoes one became a mother the other is swallowin cum and mothering at the same time. All 4 shit out a families too which your odds of huge number of volunteers may have double in less then 1 year.
I've made a terrible mistake, haven't I?
D U M P T H E C O N T R A C T
BECOME A SARC
good god man don't give up hope, you wanna spend 6-8 years surrounded by spergs or you wanna actually grow as a person? and I'm pretty sure SARC's just have to meet corpsman requirements
>Why even worry about a career when I don't understand what that means. If I get 30,000 I'm buying drugs and flipping that shut buying radios and and more drugs starting a group oh wait where did that go..... is that one whole check or you're biweekly kind of thanks for working in the military check e-1 gets 1100 (ass of) 2004 not counting uniform, special duty task. I get 11 for printing and making charts at a real estate office then get paid with dick for cleaning the toilets. And I'm not in a real estate office if I mind getting paid some dick.
Is this fucking English? Jesus Christ my sides.
You don't have to learn any physics or calculus. Nukes are technicians, not engineers. You just have to memorize how to do shit, not learn actual engineering.
That sounds hilarious. If I was an officer I would do that to my men just to mess with them.
wait for an OCS slot easily
You'll have zero time for online classes while in-processing and BCT. No time in AIT either. My suggestion if college is your main goal while serving, focus on getting to your first duty station, get a feel for your day by day activities, and then go sign up for classes! Do not be that guy who waits and regrets, I'm now having to bust my ass over seas on deployment while finishing my degree!
I'm going to Benning at the end of this February, What should I be at, currently I run a 14 minute 2-mile, and can do 40 sit ups in two minutes, what diet can I do to drop extra weight, without losing energy to keep working out?
Is it still as easy as everyone used to say it was?
Depends on your age, brother.
If you're 21 and under , that 14 minute two mile is great, sit ups and push ups need just a tad improvement and basic training is what you make of it. You'll meet a lot of retards.
I really suck at running. My legs hurt, I get side cramps, I'm short of breath, the whole shabang.
I decided to try going from not doing anything to running 2 miles in 20 minutes. I know people say not to go none->a lot right away, but I didn't think 10m/mile was a lot.
Anyone have any advice for improving my run times/endurance?
I'm sorry you feel that way. I really like my job.
I'm envious of your toys but not of your hearing
I'm from Canada, and I've been thinking of enlisting as an infantry soldier, so I can serve my country, and get good work experience at the same time. My question is how long of a commitment would my service be? I'm hoping it could be anywhere from 3-5 years.
You mostly got troll responses, so as a former 0311 I'll chime in.
If you really want it, go for it... But heed our advice.
I joined during the Surge and was practically guaranteed combat. It's not as glorified as it seems, having friends die in combat or an IED isn't cool. Its actually quite the opposite. You'll develop a drinking habit and wonder why you and your best friend don't talk anymore. Oh yeah, he died.
Nothing wrong with Infantry, except for peacetime. Garrison life grinds a man's soul.
Being an 0311 when I was in was an outstanding experience, I don't think I'd recommend it today. Shits changed.
in my experience, boomerfags (a.k.a. "Part-time-sailors") are MUCH happier than us fast-attak studs, though many of the ones that re-up eventually wind up at a fast attack anyway and become miserable like the rest of us.
>This thread is for us lowly enlisted scum
Military enlistment general is just a catchy term. This thread's always been for both. The purpose to clear /k/ of excess "I want to join the military in xyz capacity!" threads.
Criminals hate you.
Some ordinary people hate you too, because of the meming criminals saying "LOLOLOL, MPs are scum! How dare they arrest us for rape and dangerous driving! Not part of the brotherhood! POGs! fssdadfghdfga!" all the damn time.
Hey /k/, I can't seem to find a definite answer so I'll ask /meg/
I'm 24 and currently employed with the United States Postal Service. Now my question is I'm interested in joining a reserve branch. I don't want to broach the topic to my Post Master or HR because they can't keep their mouths shut and they love gossip.
But would my employer be required to hold my job for the Basic Training?
I have been in 3.5 years and have had time to take one class online ever.
We do gunnery, battalion FTX, NTC, went to Germany for JMRC, came back and then went to Europe again, came back and will go to Europe a third time for 6 months, will get back and go to NTC again and then will go to Korea for 9
I have been going non-stop with no break ever and I haven't even actually been deployed yet. I don't have time to even breath, God forbid someone is married and wants to see their family.
After you finish your deployment and you finally decide to kill yourself, please DON'T USE A FIREARM. Those of us interested in preserving freedom would appreciate if you didn't give the grabbers another statistic to manipulate people with.
Terrible. Even if you are good at it they have a bad reputation, and if you want to do law enforcement when you get out, civilian LE doesn't like military police because they have to untrain things that the military drilled into you for 4+ years and teach you their way
I saw a therapist a few times & I have a cutting scar on my arm. He told me that as long as their isn't any official record of it & if I wasn't diagnosed with anything it's as if it never happened.
They get paid to get you in so lots of them are willing to help you out
I'm about to get my bachelor's in Criminal Justice and was considering going back to school and getting a Masters. So far I'm thinking of Foreign Affairs or Cyber Security (even though I have a basic understanding of computers).
I been interested in having a career in Intelligence and was thinking of the possibility of signing up for either the Air Force Reserves, Air National Guard, Navy Reserves or the Coast Guard Reserves while I go to school.
Which branch and major do you recommend someone trying to get into the Intelligence community? I heard CIA and NSA hire candidates from the Navy and Air Force during active duty so can the same happen to a reservist? Would Civil Air Patrol be a good option if I decide to still be a civilian? Since the Coast Guard is part of Homeland Security and my Criminal Justice background, is this the better route since I can also use my diploma for a career in Maritime Enforcement?
Both Air Force and Air Force National Guard have nearby bases but Coast Guard and Navy require me to drive for training. Normally I wouldn't worry about a drive to the beach but since it'll interrupt with school, I wanted to know some advice or experience from people who have been in similar situation.
God bless and thank you for your service /meg/
I recently been talking to a recruiter since im in high school, i kinda agreed to start the process of enlisting but idk if im gonna make it due to minor epileptic stuff
i wanna join there are a lot of benefits but it sounds to good to be true
>can pick career (said i had great asvab scores)
>voluntary combat stuff
is it all true
>Is this a good year to join the FFL?
There is never a good year to join the Foreign Legion, because once you've joined the Legion, you're now in the Foreign Legion.
While you may be deployed to combat zones (scratch that, you will most definitely be deployed) it will not be for very long or very often. The French Army does not like to wear its soldiers out on endless deployments.
Nor will you do very much, since France uses the 1er RPIMa for the high-speed stuff. The Legion gets sent on endless patrols, but little else. The LE is most definitely not a special operations force. It is regular army. The Legion isn't even used as a an expendable "first in, last out, soak casualties so the real French won't have to." Just plain-old regular Army, and everyone in the Army assumes you're stupid, since you probably don't speak French very well and you also joined the Legion.
Finally, it is guaranteed that you will spend AT LEAST 50% of your contract working as a janitor.
Source, ex-Legionnaire, 2004-'09.
If I apply for multiple positions as a Navy officer will the board consider each one independently? Like if I put down nupoc but my first choice is something else, would they deny my first choice to try to force me to go nuclear? I know they have a huge demand for nuclear and all the recruiters are lining up to suck my dick to try to get me to go nuke, and I'd be willing to do it, but it's not my first choice.
But how often do you go to ranges? How often do you do training?
Do you get endless breifings about not raping, and not being racist? Do you have to wear pt belts all the time?
Also, how often do you get to leave the barracks/post? Is it true you can't have a cell phone? What about married people and getting a gf?
you dont commit to anything yet if youre applying to ocs. nupoc iirc is for people without degrees though, lets you get a degree, commission then be miserable. do you have a degree?
Well now that shed some light on the subject, funnily enough i worked as a janitor for a few months and lately i have been looking up some french to learn, so far it is like spanish except for that weird ass pronounciation they have, my beef will be obviously physical reqs and dental health
Thanks a lot.
Airman currently going through therapy on the government's dime
Are you taking any meds? If so, then most likely yes. I believe the waiting period is 3 years. If not, then you should be gtg. I'd reccomend dealing with your problems first before joining though.
>They get paid to get you in so lots of them are willing to help you out
Completely bullshit, by the way.
Recruiters don't get monetary incentives for recruiting people. They just get shit on a bit less for making their quota.
I have a degree. I know I don't commit to anything with ocs. I've started dual processing with both enlisted and an officer application. Am I making a huge mistake by enlisting with a degree?
>I heard CIA and NSA hire candidates from the Navy and Air Force during active duty so can the same happen to a reservist?
Agencies tend to hire more Army, mostly because the Army has the most technical jobs. It isn't that common to get a job offer upon completion of enlistment, but it does happen.
As a reservist though? Probably not. The biggest draw there is that you will have your clearance done, but your average reservist has no applicable experience.
Civil Air Patrol is Air Force-flavored boyscouts, nobody will care.
You will literally do nothing, at all. Ever. Not a single fucking thing except sign out gasmasks to people and go to the gas chamber once a year for "training"
If you're lucky you'll get picked to drive the colonel's humvee, since all of ours just get picked as drivers because there's nothing else for them to do
I will never forget basic training at Ft. Leonard Wood. Have our platoon were future 74Ds(CBRN) and they asked the Drill Sergeant what he knew about their MOS and the DS proceeded to shit on them by being brutally honest about it.
You could actually see the moment their hearts broke sitting there listening to them
I have also been diagnosed with ADHD, and was also treated for depression, went on meds and everything.
Nothing happened to me, no one asks and no one cares. I've been in the Army for years now
>But how often do you go to ranges? How often do you do training?
Going to the range was relatively rare. If we were in a training rotation, or getting ready for a deployment, it was weekly, but for every month spent in training two months were spent in garrison duty.
>Do you get endless breifings about not raping, and not being racist?
Yes. Of course. The Legion is fully-integrated in the French Army, and the French Army is entirely co-ed. Of course we are reminded about what constitutes appropriate behavior, including sexuality. Fortunately, sexuality in France is a little more liberated than in America. You are allowed to have sex with a female soldier and it's your collective responsibility to make sure it doesn't get weird.
Racism in the Legion is strange. You can be racist with regard to your fellow Legionnaires, but definitely not with regard to your fellow French soldier. The French person will take offense. The Legionnaire will get his friends and pound the crap out of you.
>Do you have to wear pt belts all the time?
No, I think that's an American thing, but we have to wear safety equipment like a reflector vest when we're on a work detail in the country or on a road side.
>Also, how often do you get to leave the barracks/post?
Theoretically, nightly, when the work is done. Realistically, if you bribe the corporal of the day, you can go, otherwise, don't plan on it.
Is it true you can't have a cell phone? What about married people and getting a gf?
During instruction you can't have anything, but once you are with your regiment, you can have a phone, a computer, anything you want. It will be stolen, of course, but you're allowed to buy them back as often as you like.
Girlfriends are your own business and are generally a bad idea, but if you want to get married while in the Legion, you need permission from your commanding officers, otherwise the Legion will annul your marriage.
The thing with PRK is not everyone can get it, someone aren't qualified. I got denied for it because of too many red flags(sclera is too thin to risk shaving more away during the surgery)
Don't automatically assume you'll be able to get it
So basically, it's like the US army in that once the work day is over you're off and free to do whatever, go off post, bar, girlfriend, whatever?
I'm just wondering how much of the time in the Legion is spent eating, sleeping and drinking the Legion and how much you get to be a civi and live your life
Also, one more question. Does the legion have it's own medics? I'm a medic in the US military and if I ever went to the FFL, I would want to stay a medic
I mean, I'm fine being trying to be an 8404 Corpsman. Much higher possibility and my eyes won't restrict me. But entering the SARC pipeline would be ideal. Either way, I go to FMTB.
How much "free time" is their during basic training, ie rest/wright/read/do random maintenance on gear/ect...
None, basically. Maybe an hour.
We would wake up super early, do PT, then whatever was on the schedule that day as far as training goes, and then usually at 2000-2100 we would be released to shower, hygiene, and write letters. Lights out was 2200 if I remember.
That's basically the only free time you ever get, except Sundays, but sundays you're expected to be cleaning and stuff that entire time unless you go to church.
>once the work day is over you're off and free to do whatever
Yes, there's just considerably more work and the political bullshit is less corporate and more gang-land.
>how much of the time in the Legion is spent eating, sleeping and drinking the Legion and how much you get to be a civi and live your life
A lot of that depends on the individual. Some guys want to go into town as frequently as possible and some, believe it or not, see Legion life as an almost monastic experience and never go off-base.
>Does the legion have it's own medics? I'm a medic in the US military and if I ever went to the FFL, I would want to stay a medic
Yes, the Legion has medics. Many Legionnaires are trained as medics. The first level is 16 weeks and then the next level goes for training at a French Naval hospital in Toulon, which takes nearly two years and requires fluent French.
The Legion will not care if you were a medic in the US Army or if you were a Harvard-educated brain surgeon. Some guy who plays with his own poo poo will be sent to medic training while you will be assigned to laundry detail, mostly because some bitter CCH will think it's funny.
Generally 1 hour a day, but it can be taken away either formally or informally. Informallu is if they make you tear all the markings off your shit and throw them in the center "highway" between your racks. Then you must spend that hour remarking everything, and half the time you won't even be able to finish. This also hurts your platoon's morale if the supplies for marking shit is very limited.
You get the most from this time in the beginning when you're still trying to contact your family via mail. They want to make sure everyone has they chance to at least read/send a few letters. Towards the end is when mail goes to the back-burner and uniforms, drill, knowledge, and PT take on a larger priority. This is when you're getting ready for the final test, final drill, final PFT/CFT, and graduation.
Oh, never mind.
Probably the only organization that does unironic training on drill.
We once had to march around practicing drill ironically as a punishment because there is no better way to lower morale than to force grown adult men to march around singing songs and then act serious when you tell them they're not doing it well enough
>So, how does the Legion go about picking your job?
>Do you have any say or do they go off of marksmenship or physical fitness scores?
It is 100% needs of the Legion. As you get older, make some friends and learn to play the game, you can get cushier positions, but by and large, you are treated as a blank slate, fundamentally no different from any other new recruit: it is assumed you know absolutely nothing and posses no skills whatsoever but you have the baseline physical and mental skills to be a Legionnaire.
Volunteering for jobs is irrelevant. I have seen people volunteer for jobs and have the man next to that person be assigned that job simply for laughs.
But then, part of the appeal of Legion life is having no control over your own life. If you're the kind of man who makes bad decisions (and you surely are, since you decided to join the Legion) you can sleep well at night knowing that you may not make a single bad decision for the next five years, since you will make no decisions at all. (a gross oversimplification, but more accurate than not.)
Canada here. Few questions, i turned 30 recently, am i too old to try and join?
What should I try and get into (if i'm not too old) army? navy? chair? I don't really care what i do, I just want to get paid really. I'd also sort of like an excuse to be gone away for a while, since my whole family is insane and depends on me for everything. I sort of like the idea of being out to sea for a long time, and being out of contact with everyone back home.
Main reason for joining though is i have spent 5 years trying to figure out what I want to do, and tried different jobs, nothing here pays well or has benefits of any kind.
Keep in mind too that you're being looked at next to people who have no military experience.
Those are your peers, kids who went straight into college and people who went to work after college instead of enlisting. So really what you do in the military is pretty useless even when getting hired as a federal civilian.
FYI: CIA doesn't give Veteran preference for hiring.
>Really though, anything in the technology or intelligence communities will get you a nice government/contractor gig post service
With civilian education (at least two year degree, new DoD hiring requirement started about four years ago).
At least as far as intel goes.
>So really what you do in the military is pretty useless even when getting hired as a federal civilian.
Depends on what you do. I filled a billet at a government agency during my time in the military. When I got out, I took off my uniform and continued to do the same job.
Marines are fucking stupid worthless garbage. I'm glad your friends died. Once you die there will be less garbage around.
Compared to the other branches, a marine infantryman is a trash human. Worthless pathetic cunt. I'm a hunter and know for a fact I can shoot better than a military fag.
>Was fatty back in May who wanted to go Navy
>Proceed to work my ass off since then to now
>Was 0.3 Inches off for my goal on monday when I took a tape test
>Have been working my ass off since then for this monday, If I can hit my goal I can go to MEPS
I'm almost there /k/. I want to be a Hospital Corpsman, any tips?
Trying to get into the army 11b. I've had multiple moles removed, 7 total. the most recent was around a year ago. how bad will this fuck me in MEPS? I've never been diagnosed with any skin cancer, just had them removed because they were of concern.
Infantry fag in the National Guard here. Went to Benning a year ago.
I think everyone's experience will be a bit different. For instance, I deployed straight out of Benning... no nothing high speed.
Anyways, generally I'd say that a lot of somewhat intelligent people do congregate on certain boards like this one.
Make sure you think your decision through before joining. If you really want to be all hooah I implore you to do something in SOCOM. If that isn't an option atm due to waivers etc., or you'd rather test the water first go regular line infantry/whatever MOS and eventually try out.
There's a wide mix of people that you will meet in the Army. The majority I have found to be absolute trash who wouldn't be able to hack in the real world. Not all... alot though. I'm just being honest... the majority of guys in my company are white trash and dumb as fuck. Not in the "oh they're fun to get drunk with blah blah"... more so in the holy fuck I want to bash my head in a wall type. There are exceptions though.. and those guys will be your bros.
In the NG you will literally shoot once a year to qual... the rest you shoot blanks. The average range goer back home would be more squared away than the guys in my company if he learned basic battle drills off of youtube and lifted weights/ran on occasion.
The Army is great at sucking the fun out of everything.
With that said, there's great benefits and it gives you a story to tell which sounds way cooler than it actually is.
Just think long and hard.
Can only speak from my Nasty Girl experience.
No, but they will never know.
They don't go through your medical records with a fine-toothed comb. They don't have most of those records.
Here's how they select you:
1. If you're fit enough. Be in the top 10 percent of your group of recruits in running, pullups and situps. Especially running.
2. If you're smart enough. Be in the top 10 percent of your group on the IQ test they give you.
3. Pass the "interview". The interview is where you are asked questions. Your answers will be matched against past Legionnaires who were good soldiers and those who were fuckups. Make sure your answers match the good guys' answers. If your answers give any hint of any mental instability or disorder, you are definitely out.
4. Speak French. That's the tiebreaker. If there are two recruits that are roughly equal, the one with better French skills always gets the nod.
If you fail the physical portion, you will be given a note that says "Inapte temporaire" and they tell you to get fit and try back again next year.
If you fail at the mental/interview portions, you are given a note that says "inapte definitif" and they tell you never to return.
In both cases they give you a couple of Euros for your time and directions to the train station.
Did you choose poguery, were you tricked into it by your recruiter or were you forced into it somehow?
Here's a glimpse into your future:
"Here, son, fix my wife's iPad."
"S-Sure thing, major."
I had an O5 invite me over to fix his kid's Kindle once. His wife made a bunch of awesome European food and I pretty much got the day off tinkering with the gadgets at his place.
No regrets, being a POG is awesome desu.
Yeah it does look very hard. I think with the army they have an education program specifically for musicians who pass their requirements, but if I were to be in the military I'd probably join the Air Force.
I feel bad about it but I don't have a lot of money for school and I'm 23 without a college degree or decent paying career job (I work in management at a store). The area I live in is also very sparse for work and there's a lot of crime. One of my co-workers is leaving soon for the Air Force and she's been telling me about her family's experience in the military, and she also gave me the phone number of her recruiter.
>being a POG is awesome desu.
Yeah, until you get in the real world and you're ever in an environment with both combat veterans and civilians.
I was a machine gunner in the Marines and after I got out, I became a high school math teacher. For Veteran's Day one year, our school principal wanted the veterans on the faculty to talk about their experiences in the service, what the did, why the did it, etc, to give the students different perspectives on war beyond what pop culture gives them.
The four veterans on our faculty spoke in turn.
The oldest, a physics teacher, was a Navy Captain during the Vietnam era.
The rest were all Iraq and Afghanistan vets, one of our English teachers piloted Black Hawk helicopters in the Army. Then I spoke about my time in the Marines and finally, one of our history teachers, another former soldier spoke about his time in the Army as...
...a Financial Management Technician.
Within hours the kids started making fun of him behind his back because his classroom has all the Army crap all over it, vintage recruiting posters, etc. His car is the one splattered with "I served" stickers.
Sounds like the issue was more the fact that he flaunted his service like a dumbass and less the fact that he had a nice cushy gig in the military.
Better quality of life, better civilian prospects, usually less bullshit and more time off. There's not really any downsides. I even got paid more/promoted faster than my buddies who went combat arms.
If your only interest in joining the military is to be in the band, you might be out of luck. The military can be a good opportunity to get education benefits and a solid salary, but band slots are difficult to get.
>Is there more difficulty to get into those non-combat positions?
No, it's a piece of cake. It's the combat positions that go quickly.
You do have to deal with a different class of lowlife in them.
In the combat arms, particularly Marine infantry, you have a peculiar mix of guys too stupid for anything else, and the sons of privilege who want to serve their country by fighting, not pushing paper. (In my own infantry platoon, we had at least ten guys that I knew of who already had a bachelor's degree.) They didn't need to worry about post-service skills.
The POG MOSs, though, are filled-up with a majority of poor as fuck minorities who are treating the military as their own personal job training center. They love the networking jobs in particular, since they think it will get them a job working at an Apple Store when they get out.
I have a question on how things look like for joining either the Air force or Navy after I graduate, this fall, and only if I fail to find a job in my field after a year. I was wondering if anyone knows how things would be like going in as an officer with a MechE degree? Also I kinda have sleep apnea which has getting better due to losing some serious weight but now I just snore loud, not choke in my sleep, would that also affect me when trying to join if I do?
At this point I feel too old for anything music-related. I still participate in community concert bands and orchestras but I lack the experience/technical knowledge a University student or someone fresh out of high school would have.
I've been throwing around career ideas if I had the money to go back to school. The area I live in has a few community colleges with programs for veterinary tehnicians, nursing and manufacturing but if I could go to a Uni with paid benefits I'd be interested in culinary or getting a teaching degree. I might even like staying in management if I wasn't in an area filled with jobless heroin addicts.
I'm not saying you should lie on an official document but if you to lie in MEPS, don't go for TS/PRP and don't fail your PT test, privacy act protects that shit from what I know. Just get a nonner AFSC and you're good to go.
Well honestly I think the sleep apnea is going away as I loose more weight also I can function from day to day as I fucking hate the device, yeah I don't choke in my sleep but I wake up feeling less relax and more stressed and tired. I think I might do another sleep study at one point to see where I am on that.
what's the deal with morale patches? can i wear them and hope nobody says anything? rip it off if a major or colonel is walking towards me? can i put one on my backpack? or are we supposed to just collect/hold on to them? trades? i dont understand why people pay to have these made if we're not even allowed to have them
You caught me.
I don't know what it's like for Americans, but British MPs are often embedded with infantry, and nobody cares, because we've fought alongside eachother.
I'm being quite honest when I say it's a meme perpetuated by criminals. Granted, there are annoying members in every unit, but our role by nature makes sure there's a lesser concentration of them.
You'll get a slap on the wrist if you actually wear them on your uniform. On your personal pack and stuff is usually fine.
It's sort of like asking "why do we have challenge coins if we can't spend them on anything?"
Can anyone tell me anything about security jobs in the USAF? Is the fitness standard significantly higher? Do they do cool shit?
No, kids are stupid.
Unless you are dumb and posted it on Facebook with your name attached to it, then its a matter of public record.
They won't know/care about you going to German Goo Girls, or what was posted anonymous.
The most important way to look at the pogue/fobbit vs. grunt/warfighter conflict is to remember to be true to yourself.
If you're a grunt, be proud of that, but remember that you are supported by thousands of hard-working people making sure you're armed, armored, fed and are not being marched into a death trap by accident.
If you're a pogue, do your job. Respect your job, take pride in doing your job and know that everyone, including non-shitbag grunts, will respect you for doing your job well and will thank you if given the opportunity.
How hard is it to get in the US military with a history of anxiety/depression? Is it at all possible to get into SOF?
Would maxing out the PT tests and the ASVAB help, or would I be shit out of luck regardless? I imagine if I scored high 90s on the ASVAB and had damn good fitness I could get a waiver to get in at all, but would SOF be a problem?
anyone here have problems with blood? Fine with my own injures and shit online but when one of my friends got injured in an accident I almost passed out. How the fuck do I get rid of this bullshit?
So I was in the process of joining the AF, preparing to go to MEPS and waiting for some medical stuff to go through. I had some light shoulder surgery done, So I had to send all the information about it to be approved. I was permanently disqualified from military service from an army doctor at MEPS after he read the paperwork. How likely is it that I will be able to get a waiver from an AF guy? The recruiter is sending the information in and I have a letter from my retired colonel neighbor/family friend, and a letter from the gym I go to saying I attend and train with free weights regularly. Am I still fucked?
That's the GT tho innit
ASVAB scoring is based on percentile rite? The GT is based on a SD/bell curve thing like IQ I thought
How would you hide it though? Not tell them, or lie about it? Wouldn't that bite you in the ass later on, especially if you, say, tried for a secret clearance or something?
>How hard is it to get in the US military with a history of anxiety/depression?
If it was diagnosed, virtually impossible.
Per the Army standards of fitness:
>Current mood disorders including, but not limited to, major depression, bipolar, affective
psychoses, depressive not otherwise specified, do not meet the standard.
>History of mood disorders requiring outpatient care for longer than 6 months by a physician or other mental health professional, or inpatient treatment in a hospital or residential facility does not meet the standard.
>History of symptoms consistent with a mood disorder of a repeated nature that impairs school, social, or work efficiency does not meet the standard.
When you apply to enlist you sign a waiver that grants the military unrestricted access to ALL of your legal, education and medical history.
So, if you were actually depressed or anxious or whatever and you were diagnosed with and treated for these, you're fucked.
If you were a normal teenager and had periods of being down in the dumps but you were never sent to a doctor for it, you're fine.
>i know many on antidepressants and riddlin/adderal and opiates.
They're just taking them to get high. The military has an enormous drug problem between Adderal, painkillers and, especially, anabolic steroids.
who cares, they have a script. i'd like to see how well your body and mind are after numerous deployments in harsh conditions, and then come back to regular society. knees, back, neck, brain are all fucked. that's why disability pay is so rampant for vets
>I don't know what it's like for Americans, but British MPs are often embedded with infantry
In the US MPs are in separate units with separate missions OCONUS and CONUS, mostly because their job is to give tickets to soldiers walking while talking on their cellphones and let SNCOs and higher ranking officers off with a warning for drunk driving.
Well that's a problem. How do I get around that, then? Because I was diagnosed and did take medication. I read a little bit about possibly getting a waiver and it not being as big of a problem if you prove that you can function properly and have been off meds for a long while, say 1-3 years?
I guess since that's a problem I probably can't avoid entirely I need to find out what my options are to get around it or deal with it. I'm confident in my ability to score close to top percentile on the ASVAB, and I'm sure I could get damn fit. Would doing these things help me get a waiver for my medical history? Or would I still just be completely fucked
Dunno where people get the idea that the rules will bend for a high ASVAB or PT score. Those are a dime a dozen, they aren't going to mean that they ignore an otherwise disqualifying medical condition.
Being able to do 80 pushups in two minutes does not make you extraordinarily valuable. Maybe if you were a surgeon...
My mother actually surprised me with it but I think there is an app for phones to study the noise you make in your sleep and it may or may not suggest it to you. Trust me, when you get it, other people will know and make fun of you for it.
So are there any ways to get around that then? I want to join bad enough that I'd probably be willing to do whatever it takes to get in desu, and if I can't get the answers here I'll probably keep looking elsewhere, probably talk to a recruiter about it. I'd be pretty bummed if there was absolutely no way I could make it, though.
>getting a waiver and it not being as big of a problem if you prove that you can function properly and have been off meds for a long while, say 1-3 years?
If your episodes were all before the age of 13 and have been completely gone since then, you can get a waiver. I had to get a waiver myself for sleepwalking, since I did that as a toddler. If it happened when you were in high school, no chance.
>I'm confident in my ability to score close to top percentile on the ASVAB, and I'm sure I could get damn fit.
That is basically irrelevant right now. PT studs who can ace the ASVAB are not uncommon.
You keep your mouth shut.
Look, there is no database. Your medical files are not accessible to pretty much anyone except you. THEY WILL NOT FIND IT.
Just keep your mouth shut, it never happened, just like that joint you never smoked and that underage beer you never sipped.
Nice work anon, I'm proud of you. pic related, it's how you did.
Sort of related, for anyone interested in joining the FFL, hop on duolingo and work your ass off at French. You can probably finish the whole French lesson set in 6 months if you work at it, and it's a great practice tool (I speak German and use it to practice). It's free with no catch, and you can import your skill at languages as measured by duolingo to LinkedIn. USE THAT SHIT
Every branch has a band, but US military bands are world-class. Very tough to get into, but very prestigious and looks great on an application if you want to go to Juilliard or something afterwards. What do you play? Obviously it will be harder to get a slot as a trumpet player than as a bassoonist.
I'm not the guy you're replying to.
Basically. You sleep in a room with a couple heart rate etc monitors hooked up and specialists observe you while you sleep. You can sometimes get paid for doing it if you live near a university with a decent psychology department.
alright if you have a doctors note clearing you after the DQ then theyll consider it for the waiver, its out of your hands after this
really? is it good pay? wonder if theyll give me a free one
>Look, there is no database. Your medical files are not accessible to pretty much anyone except you. THEY WILL NOT FIND IT.
Lol, yes, they can, but only if they look for it. They miss things all the time, but if you've spent your whole life in the American medical system, then your records are easily located.
Your medical records are NOT private to the military. You sign a form granting them full access to all of them. If you don't want to sign that form, then the military will not be able to access your medical records, but you also don't get to join.
Not especially. Maybe a $20 gift card if you get paid anything, and you can't just do a bunch and get to paid to sleep. You can only do it once because they want data from the population, not one person.
>The reason some people struggle with academics is because they never learned how to study.
this is a life-in-general true fact and everyone should pay attention to it.
getting a degree in almost any subject, including stem, is straightforward if you know how to study. raw brainpower plays a much smaller part than most people think.
That's all true, but as long as he doesn't apply for a security clearance and as long as he keeps his fucking mouth shut, then he's in the clear. They won't bother checking unless they're given reason to check.
Maybe. They will probably tell you what their results suggest but they are probably going to be student researchers, not doctors. They will give you information about your sleep patterns that you can take to a doctor though.
Evening, Does anyone have any knowledge on the MAVNI program for foreigner?
Does the MAVNI program require you to have a medical specialty AND a foreign language or can you have one or the other?
ay I speak Fluent Russian but I'm not a Russian national. Would I be eligible?
maybe not try to bite off so much at once
how much time do you have to get fit?
small amounts every day is actually a very good way to get fit, because the body adapts to total volume. volume is really the key to training effect. the whole gym-three-days-a-week-until-you-puke is less than optimal. so if you can comfortably run one kilometer or so, start running one kilometer every evening, four to five days a week. you can take the approach with press ups/pull ups as well.
the bulgarians called it specific adaptation to imposed demands. you're conditioning your body to a work load, and increasing the work load over time. this is fundamentally how high level athletes train, a pre-determined amount of volume per day, most days of the week (5-6, up to seven approaching competition time), never going to failure. it's the only way those guys can get enough volume in during their training cycle. it is very effective, provided you've got the time and patience to start off small and work your way up to big as your body adapts. .
however, if you're short on time you may have to do a lot of sucking up the pain. for a beginner, both methods will work.
Serious question. I went to MEPS, did everything, then realized, oh fuck, I got my tonsils removed back in college (I'm 28, it was 10 years ago).
My recruiter told me this is really a non-issue, but I was freaked out because of everything they were saying with fraudulent enlistment.
I'm applying to be an officer so they need secret clearance. Am I fucked? What's gonna happen?
they dont care, i told the guys at meps about wisdom tooth surgery and tonsil surgery and they said if it was >1 year ago (which it wasnt for me but whatever) its a nonissue and i didnt even have to put it. i dont remember if the sf86 asked about health shit, i dont think it did
Secret clearance doesn't check anything
And even if they did having your tonsils removed is so common that it's a non-issue, the doctors know it's impossible to remember every small surgery you've had. They only care about major ones that might effect your body like broken bones
side cramps, short of breath.
You need to work on your core - sounds like you're running really inefficiently, wasting energy supporting your upper body.
also, having good core strength lets you slack off on lots of other strength/body building.
Try walking hills to start with
I had my tonsils, adnoids, gall bladder, and a benign tumor removed from my head (in my ear canal, had invasive surgery to remove it, huge scar hidden by my ear, also scars on my stomach from gall bladder with less invasive surgery).
Told them nothing. Got a TS//SCI and never looked back.
Hell, tssci with SAP doesn't have the ability to access every doctors records across the country. There's no national database on this stuff, unless you've got federal employees for doctors (eg you're a dependent)
>Forgetting unholy amounts of experience for entry level positions,
Which only matters if you can actually be hired, and if the position has civilian education as a requirement (unless you meet very specific circumstances) then it doesn't matter unless you're a 10 year SF/SOF veteran going into a position that those skills are applicable for.
> active clearance,
Definitely a big plus. But I knew guys who were intel contractors at CENTCOM in Tampa who were told to start working on their degrees (they went straight from active duty to contractor positions) or they were going to be let go when this change happened.
>and beyond bachelors work
If you already have your Bachelor's then I'm not talking about you.
>how did they detect the benign tumor?
My best friend's parents had a huge pool at the time (I was 14 or 15) so we were swimming every weekend. I got swimmers ear (a mild ear infection) twice before we went to an ENT for it. They found it through a CT.
The MAVNI program requires you to speak a foreign language natively. You don't need to have a "medical specialty".
If you are a foreign citizen and have a key language proficiency you're fine. Go for it.
1 Hour a day, at a treadmill. Do a 15% incline, at 3 Miles per Hour, 10 Minutes at a time, and then 3.5 Miles an Hour for 5 Minutes, then back down to three. Do this for a month, every single day, that's what I did.
>swimmers ear? whats that like?
You get an infection in your ear, and yellow and brown fluid drains from your ear.
>yeah but howd you know you have that shit? i started swimming a lot lately
I got an ear infection two times in a row.
oh okay thats not happening to me...yet so i shouldnt be worried.
what about getting water out of your ears in the first place anyway i hate that shit, im not good at swimming in the first place either
there is a pimple on my earlobe though, fuck
I've applied for the ADF, got my yousession soon, but I'm worried that I'll get turned away for 12 months cause of a depression thingo that happened 2 years ago (went to hospital, so I assume it's on a record somewhere)
If this happens should I just go fuckoff to france and try the Legion? I'm fit as a fiddle, completely sane, and I definitely have some time to learn a lil bit of french.
So, basically no different than the US military, except instead of Eastern Yuros it's niggers running things.
The US army doesn't go to ranges, never has ammo and money for anything important and you won't deploy either