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>zero(0) Steam or Electromagnetic catapults
>zero(0) nuclear reactor plants
>zero(0) fixed wing AWACS
>zero(0) dedicated Electronic Warfare jets
>zero(0) dedicated long range logistical support aircraft
>zero(0) real UCLASS or CBARS capability
>zero(0) roll on/roll off Surface Ship Torpedo Defense Systems
>two(2) islands
>load out for optimal softie rate involves having between 30 and 35 F-35Bs, max
>etc etc etc

Hold on just a fucking second. Are we supposed to actually believe that this is a so called "super carrier"?

What type of fools would believe this?

At most, this is a fleet carrier. A glorified LHA.
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They didn't even give it an X-band radar.

Jesus christ
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Sheesh Britain, we'd probably have licensed this design to you and you'd have ended up with ships just as capable as the Queen Elizabeths at a fraction of the cost.
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http://www.defenceiq.com/air-forces-and-military-aircraft/articles/the-f-35-decision-disastrous-implications-for-uk-a/

>The difference in capability between the F-35B and F-35C is significant. Due to the STOVL requirement, the F-35B has a shaft-driven lift fan integrated with its engine thus restricting the aircraft’s internal fuel capacity to 13,500 lbs; in contrast, the internal fuel load of the F-35C is 19,145 lbs. The difference in internal fuel is highlighted by the range and combat persistence of the respective aircraft; the F-35B has a mission radius of approximately 463 nautical miles and a time over target of fifteen minutes; for the F-35C, the figures are 613 nautical miles and thirty-six minutes respectively.

The British tax payers literally paid billions for a super carrier that can't fight against a modern adversary.

Unbelievable
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Britannia, rule the waves

TOP

FUCKING

KEK
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I'm a bong and had forgotten about this pasta

thanks for the laugh, m8
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>>28884484

It truly is shameful. Even more so when asian navies are already designing true nuclear super carriers.
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>>28884337

At least we have two towers.
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>>28884337
>>zero(0) public healthcare system
>>zero(0) free universities
>>zero(0) uncorrupt police force
>>zero(0) social welfare
>>zero(0) human rights not to be executed
>>zero(0) successful wars fought
>>zero(0) economic equality
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>>28884959
Obvious bait is obvious. Have a (you).
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>>28884337
Still a supercarrier.
Muh displacement.
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>>28884959
u mad, ahmed?
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Is the De Gaulle any good or just good for scrap ?
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>>28885218
It's full of angry frothing frenchmen at the moment making good use of their displeasure in Syria, so it seems to have its uses.
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>>28884959
>zero (0) domestic caliphate
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>>28884959
your forgot

>zero (0) moon landings

USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
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>>28884959
>over three hundred million (300000000) privately owned guns
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>>28884959

This is rude. Delete it.
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>>28885218

When it is in working condition it does its job.

I think it can do about 15-20 sorties per day. It carries Hawkeyes so it can do fleet defense and C&C over land for coalition planes as well.

The HMS Queen Elizabeth will do a lot more sorties but will lack the Hawkeyes. I think they have to constantly keep helicopters buzzing around at 10k feet just to provide basic protection.
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>>28885218
It's no supercarrier, but it's the best one outside America's.
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>>28885877
Barring the Argies who are even poorer than the Bongs kick up another fuss on the Falklands, the QE is supposed to work with American assets who do have the AWACS. Mant US carriers are also not nuclear powered. My theory is that the QE is to keep the naval aviation skills alive during peacetime for the Bongs more than anything else.
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nice ski ramp
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>>28884337
It's Bong minimalism OP. Everything they need and nothing they don't. Considering one of it's biggest selling points to the MoD was that it opened up a new shipyard in Scotland, it will probably be a harbor queen conveniently situated next to HMS Victory for "muh Rule Britannia" nostalgia. Tl;dr, quit bitching, she's a fine ship...by bong standards.
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>>28884471
C U C K E D
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>>28885247
meanwhile they keep importing more sand nigs, so more terrorist attacks will continue to happen

Strange how noone in the west likes to admit these domestic terrorist attacks happen because of our immigration/border policies.
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>>28885877
Could just build a STOL awacs that doesn't need a catapult.

Beats me how that piece of shit cost so much though.
You could just repurpose some commercial ship to do this for a fraction of the price.
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>>28891662
>You could just repurpose some commercial ship to do this for a fraction of the price.

Hello Mr I-know-nothing-about-shipbuilding!
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>>28891668
How much more do you truly need than a flat top, a couple elevators/cranes, a large hangar, living quarters, fuel tanks, and an engine?

Hardly makes any sense that the price should increase 10x to militarize it.
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>>28891695
See all that?
You need all of it.
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>>28891737
So it's exactly as I said and a repurposed commercial ship would do just fine?

>Bakery
"NEED"?
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>>28891753

Imagine for a moment that you are at sea literally months at a time, with no opportunity for shore leave or any slowdown for flight operations in sight. You need to stop morale from going down the toilet. Compact, proven solution for improving crew morale? Hot, freshly made meals.
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>>28891775
Where is the strip bar then?
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>>28891779

Good for morale, bad for operational efficiency. A soldier still needs to be useful as a soldier, and the clap is not going to help.
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>>28891779
Officers quarters.
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>>28891753
Jacky Fisher says it needs a bakery. So it has one.
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>>28891775

You can get hot food off from a regular ship galley, have been able to for a hundred years.
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>>28891753
How on earth is the ship gonna run without fresh yumyums? You think those previously frozen ones will work, you're a mad man.
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>>28891925
I don't have a bakery in my home, I manage
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I bet the gym doesn't even have a balcony.
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>>28884337
>Hold on just a fucking second. Are we supposed to actually believe that this is a so called "super carrier"?

other than you mr strawman, who the fuck else has ever called it a super carrier?

op is always a faggot.
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>>28884915
9/11 joke spotted
top kek
also 9/11 is my birthday
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>>28884337
Genuine question: in terms of air capabilities, what does this ship do that the frogs didn't fit in a 20.000 tons lighter hull?
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>>28892600
What does the tonnage matter about anything? It's not like you save money by making things smaller.
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>70,000 tons
>only rotary wing AEW
>Ski jump
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>>28891954
>mfw have concept 2 at home and was about to go rowing
thank you for new wallpaper senpai
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>>28891940
Because you don't live in the middle of the Atlantic ocean over 3000 miles away from the nearest bakery
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>>28892700

It's like one big prank
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>>28884337
>super carrier
did they ever claim it was a super carrier?
I thought a super carrier was over 100k tons?
Isn't this only 60k or something?
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>>28884337
I get the feeling that the project is partly about saving the flagging ship building industry in Britain, everything could have been done cheaper, but that wouldn't have realised the political goals of the project.

Also, committees of politicians got all excited by the shiny new toys that could be bought from the US.

It would have made more sense just to put a catapult on it, and buy or lease a load of F-18s (not as sparkly or expensive as the F-35 but sill better than anything Britain currently has), but what place does common sense have in procurement processes?

We'll just have to put up with them for the next 40 years.
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>>28892717

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10013090/Super-carrier-Britains-largest-warships-take-shape.html
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>>28884959
>many Butthurt replies
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>>28892733
I'm begging you from the bottom of my heart to chemically castrate yourself not to pass on your flawed genes.
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>>28884337
And zero (0) threads about it.
Oh wait...
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>>28892908
Please elaborate.
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>>28891940

>europoors
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>>28884915
Underrated
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>>28892717

The Forrestals were supercarriers and they displaced less than QE does. They were longer, faster, and had catapults for F-14's and 18's so they can do Supercarrier things.

QE as it stands is absurdly huge and expensive for what it can do, which is carry about twice as many planes as a LHD but none of the Marines.
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>>28884337
Good fucking god why did they even bother
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>>28893505
There is no amount of elaboration that could get through to someone that thinks F-18s are sufficient or a better choice.
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>>28893825
>they can do Supercarrier things.

Supercarrier, Noun
"Something that can do supercarrier things"
t. anon

Thank you for your valuable input
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>>28884337
The same fools who believe the ONLY metric for what constitutes a supercarrier is displacement.
>The Montana series of battleships would've qualified as a supercarrier by that metric and they are perfectly okay with that
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>>28894687
The Montanas wouldn't have qualified because they weren't carriers, autismo
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>>28884337

its partly a political project, pertly vanity

i think a big chunk of it was to keep shipyards open to stop the jocks wigging out.

other than that it seems like a "see we can build a big carrier, we are still powerfull" move
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>>28885218
Design wise it's actually pretty fucking good.

Problem is, there's only one of them and it sits in harbor a lot because it's old and the French can't afford to fix everything that breaks on it in one go.
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>>28891753
>Brit design
>every other room isn't a tea parlor
>no automated scone delivery system
They stole the plans I bet.
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>>28884337

Just your usual bungled MOD procurement.
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>>28894709
There are enough people who argue the ONLY metric for being a supercarrier is displacing more than 65,000 tons.

They literally do not care if it is even capable of carrying much less launching aircraft, and I have at least twice seen people on here unironically argue some of the civilian superfreighters and supertankers are more deserving of the title supercarrier than the CdG and QE.
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>>28894709
>the same fools who...
>autismo
You don't read too well do you champ?
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>>28894715
And to be fair it is still a carrier that though not in the same class as the US will still be able to project force.
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>>28891647

Or that most of the terrorists were 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants. That integration for you, thats how well multiculturalism works... even after 2 generations the children of immigrants feel nothing but hate for the country and cheerfully butcher civilians. Ho hum, I'm sure there must be a silver lining r-right? Oh yes, I forgot, we need low paid workers.

Thanks politicians.
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>>28894793
Its autistic to reply to people that are clearly baiting or genuinely retarded enough to say that, AND get upset about it

>>28894715
Hella wrong, shitlord
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>>28894824

explain how i am wrong.
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>>28894931
As a part of the SDSR, the two QE class, along with the now large F-35B buy, were determined to be what we could use for WARfighting ability.

They are designed to protect British interests with sufficient power to actually remain relevant, not be a vanity project.

Its the reason we're going to have both operational rather than mothballing one, and the reason we wanted two in the first place, rather than having a pretty looking CdG that we can't use half the time.

So jog the fuck on.
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>>28894653

He's right though.

60 year old US super carriers could do things the Queen Elizabeth can't in 2016.

They were flying sometimes up to 5 different types of fixed wing aircraft right up until the 1990s.

They were launching Tomcats and Hornets against Saddam right along side Nimitz CVNs.

It spoke to the incredible versatility and adaptability of US super carrier design.

The QE, realistically, will like go to the graveyard only having used F35Bs.
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>>28894986
>like

*likely
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>>28894959

wow, someone has a lot of PMS going on.

calm down sweetheart
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>>28894959

so you are telling me that this is the best we could do?

with all the amazing engineering and inventive skill all we can do is make something halfassed and substandard?
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>>28884959
Some people should be executed for truly severe and heinous crimes.
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>softie rate
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nothing says "3rd rate navy" quite like a ramp on an aircraft carrier

looks good on you, though...
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>>28891737
Where is the furnace that they burn all the money in?
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>>28895125
tfw the torys procure you trash, but labour would turn into into a refugee cruiseliner and dump your nukes in the sea.
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>>28885357
used for school shootings :^)
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Even the Indians are building a bigger and better carrier with EMALSCATOBAR courtesy of the U.S

>Bongistani colony navy have better standards for Aircraft carriers than Bongs themselves

Rule Brittanica
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>>28895231
No need! Turns out the flight deck isn't rated highly enough either. so we'll just be spreading out tenners where the f35's land.
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Why do the brits keep making catastrophically stupid decisions for their military?

They scrapped the Nimrods before they were even finished production! Lo and behold they had a submarine hunt a short while ago and they had to bring in planes from Canada to do submarine hunting because they scrapped the plane the Nimrod was supposed to replace. And the Nimrod. So now they have nothing.

This is happening all over europe. Do people think that just because things have been relatively calm since the end of the cold war that shit can't hit the fan in 5-10 years? It's insane what kind of bullshit they pull to save a tiny amount of money in the short term.

If we're caught with our dicks in our hands and finally admit we need to have a functioning military we're fucked because it'll take many years to build the capacity that we would need.
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>>28895194

Most of the time it costs less to keep them confined with a shitty life until they eventually die.
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>>28895125
Its not half assed and substandard.

Its fit for the needs of the RN.

It might have had a chance of being EMALS equipped if that shit wasn't billions over budget and behind schedule at the time.
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>>28895967
>Its fit for the needs of the RN.

So the RN needs a subpar aircraft carrier which also went over budget.
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>>28895874
>Why do the brits keep making catastrophically stupid decisions for their military?
Because labours are openly communist traitors and the tories are closet progressives

Both of them of course hate the military & seek to destroy their country.

This is what liberals do when they run a country, start dismantling the military.
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>>28896252
>subpar aircraft carrier

Plural, actually.

comparing it to the capabilities of the average aircraft carrier, no. Its in no way or means 'subpar' either. In the same way that everyone that doesn't score 180 in an IQ test isn't 'subpar'.
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>>28891753
>NEED
yes. You can keep flour for far longer than you can bread and it takes up much less space.
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>>28894709
What, Kingfishers aren't aircraft anymore?

Battleships even had catapults to launch them; something this "carrier" hasn't got.
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>>28896790
Thats nice dear.
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>>28896848
You know I'm right. That's why you have nothing to resort to but condescension.
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>>28884959
>obamacare
>community colleges
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_sex_trafficking_gang
>we have welfare, food stamps, and medicaid
>human rights not to be raped
>ww2, korea
I got nothing for the last one though
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>>28891914
and bread is part of a varied diet, dipshit. especially great with soup.

also an oven and the ingredients to make bread takes up far less space than a fuckton of frozen loafs of bread.
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>>28897870
your healthcare and welfare systems are no where near european socialist standards.

>korea
you got BTFO by a bunch of chinks
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>>28897950
>MUH BAKERY ON MUH SUPER CARRIER
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There is always 2 signs a 3rd world military shows.

The first is the desire to jump through burning hoops.

The second is a ski ramp on the end of your aircraft carrier.
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>>28898009
>bakery
>or freezer at least twice the size of a bakery
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>>28898034
3rd world militaries don't have carriers
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>>28898079
this whole thread is about a third world military getting their carrier..
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>>28898088
Oh snap!
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>>28898088
I thought this thread was about a British carrier, not an American one?
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>>28897870
What the hell is "economic quality" anyways?
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>>28899762
Everyone is equally poor.
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>>28897985

I do recall bongland was in Korea, dumbass.
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Don't worry Britbongs, our 001A is also a ski-jump carrier and unlike you we're not going to get 5th gen naval fighters anytime soon.
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>At most, this is a fleet carrier. A glorified LHA.
Agreed, but
>>zero(0) fixed wing AWACS
>zero(0) dedicated Electronic Warfare jets
>zero(0) dedicated long range logistical support aircraft
>Implying wasting deck and hangar space on dedicated single-role aircraft is a good idea
>>28884357
There are 3. Each Phalanx has it's own.
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>>28901647

>Implying wasting deck and hangar space on dedicated single-role aircraft is a good idea

Multiroles are the future (and the present), but you definitely need specialized support aircraft.

AWACS first and foremost, not having fixed wing AWACS that can loft a powerful and heavy radar a decent distance and keep it there for a long time is extremely important. F-35 has a fantastically powerful radar but it can't point it in all 4 directions at one, and the pilot has to fly his own plane before telling other pilots how to fly theirs.

Dedicated logistics is pretty key too. The Greyhound makes a ton of sorties. You need a VIP transferred to the carrier 1000 miles out at sea? too bad, helo won't make it and there's no twin seat F-35. You have an emergency and need some parts badly? well you better sail off station and into land based helo range to do it.
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>>28884915
Kek

I rate it 2/10.
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>>28895874
>they had a submarine hunt a short while ago and they had to bring in planes from Canada

Even during the cold war ASW aircraft would regularly fly from Canada to patrol GIUK.
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ITT Americans thinking the UK is lacking force projection.

80% capability at 50% cost is the way forward for nations that have better things to spend money on than defence.
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>>28884959
t. Nigel
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>>28903085
>80% capability at 50% cost is the way forward for nations that have better things to spend money on than defence.

It is for countries that can't realistically engage in overseas wars without a coalition.

UK is a coalition fighter. Not a bad one by any stretch of the imagination, but not a country that can really project power on their own.
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just cuck my shit up
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>>28903085
>80% capability

i am not american nor am i british just to put this statement into context

IN WHAT FUCKING REVERSE BS WORKS QE IS 80% OF US SUPER CARRIER ?

MAKE FUCKING BELIEVE ONE ?

really you must be seriously disillusioned
as qe is just sort of operationally upgrade over invincible class
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>>28903085
>not even 80% of a Ford displacement
>under capable for its displacement
>somehow is 80% of a ford's capabilities

rofl
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>>28903156
Is that Pakistan?
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>>28903183
at this point yes
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>>28903085

lol, QE is 25% of a Ford's capability for 50% the cost.
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>>28903243
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Copied from China tech?
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>>28887129
it's not even realistic, most doors that are inside the house, even if locked can be opened from the outside
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>>28904297
Did they not think this through, like at all?
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>>28905022
they are just showing off at that point
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>>28901759
>into land based helo range to do it.

Tiltrotors seem like a good solution to that issue, to be honest. like 900nmi under load from a land based location -> carrier, refuel and back again.

V-280 supposedly even further.

Don't know why I'm replying though, at this point (and I doubt its even clappers anymore) someone's broken out those retarded image macros
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>>28895874
Don't most euro nations pretty much just expect to fight well enough to hold off a serious enemy until the US can roll in? Aren't just about all of them below NATO minimums at this point. Remember hearing that was the case.
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>>28905240
tilt rotors are a fucking disaster, absolutely useless

You know the president is not allowed to fly in his V-22's because they are unsafe? What sort of retard would willingly fly in a V-22.
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>>28905317
V-22's have the best safety record of any rotor wing asset in the US military.

Almost every loss of a V-22 to date is due to known pilot error (performing decents in excess of maximum rates like a retard)

Stop meming.
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>>28884337
Americans like to bash the QE but they'd be the first ones to bitch if we scrapped them completely and did away with our expeditionary capabilities.
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>>28905340
The entire OP is just irrelevant bitching.

It's just a shame /k/ has let this meme become the standard so nobody can actually talk about these ships here.
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>>28905321
>Pilot follows the military & boeing stated limits/regulations
>Crashes because the plane is a piece of shit & all the specifications on the plane is lies
>Military blames pilot

good stuff
So many "pilot error" crashes shows you how much of a disaster it really is.

Also there's countless unreported class A incidents, which is how it gets its "good safety record"
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>>28905355
If they're unreported how do you know about them

>told not to do thing
>do thing
>somehow the aircraft's fault

rero
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>>28905340
In fairness, you're getting a sample of the worst of the US on 4chan. Most normies I talk to about stuff like this aren't the manchildren that this place has to offer.
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>>28905359
Maybe his waifu left him for an Osprey or something.
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>>28905359
>Told it can handle 60 seconds of dust
>Crashes after 45 seconds
>Pilots fault

>Told it can handle X weigh at 5000 feet in vertical lift
>Actually can't
>Pilots fault

>Engines catch fire
>Crash land
>Pilots fault

kk

http://www.g2mil.com/V-22Amishaps.htm
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>>28905379

You do realize it still has a very good record compared to everything it replaced right?
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>>28905391
When you replace vietnam era shit with brand new equipment, you expect it to be better
Doesn't change the fact its wildly expensive & a useless pile of shit.
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>>28905379
>all dat asspain
Even if you pretend that the guy who runs the site knows about things that weren't reported, you still have nothing. But thanks for the link to that hilarious page.
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>>28905398
>>28905379

Here's the last (you) you're getting from me.

If you genuinely believe that what you're describing is an accurate account of the incidents, you're mindblowingly retarded.

Oh, and
>Page of unknown date, unknown nature mishaps
lel
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>Largest warships built in Europe
>Robotic ammunition handling system
>New decentralised C&C layout
>New radar combination capable of tracking objects in low earth orbit
>Powered by the engineering pornography that is the MT30
>Huge capability increase over the Invincible class
>So much to be interested in
>/k/ will piss and moan because they're not American carriers

Sigh
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>>28905429
It's Italian, it will be crewed by Italians. In almost every war its better that they just don't turn up.

They could perhaps do the catering though.
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>>28905399
>>28905402
I ain't the one dying in V-22 crashes
The page has its citations

It literally is why the osprey has so many "hard landings" that result in fatalities and 20 injuries.

When they are needing rebuilds or scrapping planes without any reported Class A's, you know something fishy is going on.
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>>28905439
I was referring the the QE's.

That's just another carrier I like.
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>>28905453
>When they are needing rebuilds or scrapping planes without any reported Class A's, you know something fishy is going on.

Just saying this literally happens with the Abrams too

>a bolt survived, this is now Abrams #412, just got to repair everything else
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Jesus even the 2nd carrier the Chinese are building now is better than this
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>>28905534
It isn't though
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>>28903085
>80% capability at 50% cost
did you pull those numbers out of your fucking arse?
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>>28905534
>Nation with greater resources plans to build larger ship than nation with less resources

Holy shit it's like this is real life or something
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>>28905558
Yes, everyone knows its actually 77.4% capability for 56.9% cost

Of course he did you mongoloid, unless you think "capability" can be put into a discrete number
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>>28905564
Its bigger, but that doesn't mean better.
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>>28905534
>Two elevators
>TWO
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its just a support ship that britain can add on to an american task force, nothing more.
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>>28903085

It can operate 30 gimped F-35's. Ford can operate 60 not gimped F-35 + real AWACS + Growlers. And Ford is also faster.

How the shit is that 80% capability?
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>>28905608
It's so when one inevitably breaks, they still have one left
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>>28905734
I'm saying ONLY having two is a limiting factor in a carrier that size.
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Why would we need carriers anyway? Apparently our biggest ally America has plenty to protect us. Let them waste their money while we enjoy a strong economy.
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>>28905722
Where are you plucking 30 from, friend?

Because it isn't an accurate number.
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The OP is a copypasta

Most of what he's saying is utterly nonsensical

Why are you all replying to it
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>>28903113

>Skim through image
>It regurgitates the fallacious newspaper headlines about the UK having more violent crime than the US

Different methods of classification meaning that even a non injurious shove counts as a violent crime in the UK.

Meanwhile real violent crimes like murder, rape, and theft are all higher in the US, and stabbings are only marginally higher in the UK.

It's okay though, the denizens of /k/ aren't interested in the facts of this because it hurts their internal narrative. They won't look into it so you can keep posting.
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>>28905764
ah didn't realise it was a big ship
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>>28903243
http://www.channel4.com/news/transport-for-london-ad-campaign-spoofed
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>>28905796
4u
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>>28905801
>page not available
nice try britbong
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>>28905771
hello corbyn
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>>28905813
Corbyn would denounce communism before he ever let the US protect us
He would much rather let the UK become a vassal state of Russia
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>>28905807
It's available, but here's your (You).
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>>28892709
I have no idea what they are doing in that webbum, but I could watch that all day.
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>>28898079
Not so fast
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>>28891737
Can a steam or EM catapult be retrofitted into the design?
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>>28906199
Yes, its supposedly specifically designed to be capable of that.

The likelyhood of that happening though? Pretty much zero. This is coming from a bong, too.
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>>28905317
>You know the president is not allowed to fly in his V-22's because they are unsafe?

You know that is hilarious bullshit?
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>>28906678
How many hundreds of people have been killed or maimed by this inherently unsafe pile of shit aircraft? That delivers inferior performance at higher cost than any competitor?
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>>28903156

i swear every time i see a picture like this it's fucking london

i live two counties over and the most i see immigrant wise is the occasional eastern/central european person or nignog

london is truly the garbage dump of england
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>>28906711
>How many hundreds of people have been killed or maimed by this inherently unsafe pile of shit aircraft?

In the last decade? Less than every other rotorcraft in use by the US military.

No, we do not use 'Vietnam era' helicopters.

>That delivers inferior performance at higher cost than any competitor?

Thats a funny way of saying being significantly faster and longer ranged while only being outdone in payload by big heavy lift helicopters.
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>>28906766

As much as there is bullshit shitposting in this thread, the immigration stuff isn't so bullshit.

Yes, these kinds of images are cherrypicked, but it's not just London and everywhere else is feeling it now or may be soon.

It might not be happening where you are yet, but here I'm seeing a massive influx amongst the young people on the way to school.

When I was in the very same school there were maybe 20 non-whites attending altogether, now 10 years later it seems like every other kid I see going to the school is either black or Indian/Pakistani.
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>>28906996
You see all these liberals moving away from the areas colonized by non-whites, then going "hurr whats the big problem?"

As if we don't live in democracies, as if our numbers our not shrinking, as if these third worlders wouldn't gladly oppress and kill us when they get the power...
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>>28906711
Not since the prototype phase. It's had the best safety record of any rotary aircraft since it went into full service. You are far more likely to die in a blackhawk than an osprey.
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>>28884337
Britain is such a joke, it really can't go much lower.
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>>28908144

And yet it's the ameritards that the entire World laughs and poke fun at.
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Must admit, they aren't what the USA would call a super carrier, but they are much more capable than the regular carriers we scrapped.
We're also getting some newer frigates soon as well, but I personally think we should have gone for catobar carriers, even if they were slightly smaller , they would have been able to field a wider array of airframes.
But on the whole, both the new carriers will allow us to continue to work alongside the USA, as well as bomb future inhabitants of our country.
Yes I'm a bong, and I hope that labour never get back in power with corbin at the helm, he'd happily get rid of our armed forces all together, and has also said that the Falklands should be given to Argentina, he's a cunt.
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>>28884425
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>>28905911
Why is it all wrinkled?
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>>28906996
How white is the bong military? I'm guessing 95%+
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>>28908265
The nervous, heavily compensating type of laugh.
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I like that /k/ is still obsessed with us. It's as it should be.
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>>28905785
Headlines you say?
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>>28909470
We have more British muslims serving ISIS than we do in the military m8.
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>>28909470

We have Ghurkas and Fijians. The Scots Dragoon Guards are nicknamed the Scots Fiji Guards there's that many of them - enough to do at least one entire Squadron.

So it's not that bad at all. In terms of standard blacks though, nah, not many. Mainly because they're all too busy trying to ape their US cousins and be gangstas.
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