Hey, so im a freshman in uni, and im majoring in aerospace and mechanical engineering.
And I've been thinking about doing rotc.
I just want to know any of ur guys experiences in ROTC and whats it like being commissioned right out of college as an officer.
Also, im interested in becoming an infantry officer, armor officer, or being a part of the corp of engineers.
And i as wondering if i should change my major to something easier to have a better chance of being commissioned as active duty?
Oh and if any of you guys have experience in combat as a platoon leader?
i done army rotc in high school and it was kinda fun actually, but at the end of the day you're a wannabe soldier if you take it serious.
>now im 11b and rotc didnt help me at all
It is a lot more competitve, so don't be a shitbag.
ROTC sucked and fucked me over. I was scholarship and ranked high in the battlation, so I wasn't a shitbag. My junior year I wanted to Study abroad, but got my request denied for no reason other than 'hurr durr no.'
Okay, well, fuck it I guess I'll just drop ROTC and go OCS.
Apply to OCS, former CO didn't like that I left to study abroad.
>ANON IS A SHITBAG WITH NO COMMITMENT DEFINIELTY DO NOT TAKE HIM.
>mfw I got denied while frat bros who partied all 4 years and did whatever they wanted get accepted to OCS no problem.
So, why did I do ROTC again? I clearly should have just gone to college, had fun, and done OCS afterwards like the other guys.
ROTC only restricts what you can do.
OML is like a ranking system of who they best candidates are. It's also a reason why a lot of officers are cutthroat shitbags because some candidates fuck others over to get a higher score. It's important because if you graduate top 10% you can choose what you want to branch.
Honestly, just listen to >>28883468. I
If you talk to them ahead of time, they SHOULD understand. Especially if it's mandatory.
On the other hand, like I said, it kind of only serves to put you under a microscope for a longer period of time. More chances to screw up and ruin your chances of getting what you want.
At least, that was my experience.
Do you mean OML?
Because the idea is the best candidates are the ones that will be most effective in the branch that they. OR, it's a reward for the candidates who are the best.
Each class has only X amount of slots open for each branch. So it can get pretty competitive. The top 3 are aviation, MI, and infantry.
Nope, couldn't get back in because of my previous ROTC record. Every single time I had to get a waiver and couldn't get past it.
I'm currently applying for the WOFT program and National Guard OCS. It's been a few years and my resume is solid (I ended up getting a good job and stayed in shape) so we'll see if this works out.
I got a question.
If I'm enlisted active duty with no college degree, could I go reserve, spend four years going through college and ROTC, and then go back in active duty commissioned?
I don't see why itd be different, a degree is a degree and that's all you need to be an officer, although it is challenging to go reserves to active or the other way around, I forget which it is.
>senior in nrotc
>surrounded by a bunch of shitbags who think they're actual military officers because they have leadership position
>guys in charge of companies think they're untouchable
>line staff people are even worse
>handful of girls who can't even pass prt ordering around others because muh fake rank
Don't do it op
DONT FUCKING DO IT ANON. I FUCKING HATE ROTC ITS GOD DAMN RETARDED.
Seriously though, I took their scholarship which was a fucking mistake. I should have graduated college early then gone to OTS/OCS instead. The whole thing is a horse and pony show.
If you can find a program thats worth a damn its not bad. Its just that everything there is fucking bullshit. Its nothing but pointless exercises that have no bearing on actual active duty work and infighting with the cadre or the upper ranking cadets. Most of the entire thing is just indoctrination and pointless BS. A good program would prevent that but my entire deacthment is nothing but autists and morons.
To me its everything wrong with how to train officers. Its not how to interpret rules or what they mean but how well you can follow each asinine rule to the absolute T which is whats fucking wrong with most officers/upper ranking enlisted.
>how well you can follow each asinine rule to the absolute T which is whats fucking wrong with most officers/upper ranking enlisted.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Only Air Force ROTC commissions you active duty, the others you have to compete for an active duty contract or transfer to the Academy. I'm in AFROTC right now and I'm enjoying it a lot.
yes tell me more about how eating at attention, marching, and having your hair .015 inches too long is sooooo important. theres a big fucking difference between following specific rules which have purpose (like flight ops or nuke proccedures) and hounding people for irrelevant shit
If there's a problem with officers and senior enlisted, it definitely is not exact attention to rules, or excessive rules. In fact, I would say that's the exact opposite of Army officer culture.
What you're describing in training is about teaching the concept of attention to detail, which civilians completely lack. It is not supposed to and does not create rules nazis.
> Mechanical Engineering
> 4 year Army ROTC Scholarship
> 270 APFT (when I can pass my fucking run )
You should do it because you actually want to do it, not because it will pay your loans. If you do that, you're just suckering yourself into something you'll hate.
You'll get shit on from all sides: Civilian, Officer, Enlisted. It doesn't matter. Suck it up.
Bragging about being in ROTC gets you nowhere. People will laugh at you if you do that.
If given the opportunity, go for any specialty school or CULP mission you want. You might not get it, but cadre will see that you are actually interested and it may help you in the battalion order of merit list (OML).
OML determines everything in cadet-land
Believe it or not, Battalion commander is not the most important rank that you need to hold before commissioning. Platoon leader is.
Last thing, talk to your cadre (Military Science Professors). Learn everything you can from them. If they have nothing to share, read on your own. The Army has countless ADPs, ADRPs, and Field Manuals.
> tl;dr Do your job as a cadet and earn good grades, work out, and eat right. Don't be a wise ass/know-it-all/fuck-up/PVT Pyle/insert bad rap. Learn-Do-Repeat. It's a learning process, you will make mistakes. Good Luck!
Basically, you only get put under a microscope and have less control of your life for a longer period of time.
I know tons of dudes who went to college, partied and fucked around but stayed in shape and got good grades. They got into OCS no problem and are officers, and they come out the exact same rank/respect as the idiots who spent 4 years treating their college experience like its a half-military school and clamp down on their freedom.
Pic related. Nate Fick, the author, just did OCS and he ended up being a decorated Infantry-turned-Recon officer with a resume and story that most of /k/ would kill for.
Oh, they'll also pay back your federal loans so the scholarship point is moot.
As a junior in AFROTC, it's not that bad. I know some Army cadets across town that seem to enjoy it. Unless I'm mistaken, in AROTC there's a chance you'll end up in the Reserves or Guard, which may be a plus or minus.
>be east european CS student
>see an army at university during summer exams
>enroll on a whim
>6 weeks in artillery school
>get to shoot 122mm self propelled gvozdika howitzer
>ebin infantry tactics excercises all the time
Time of my life, years later they called me up if I want to go for a reserve lieutenant (technically I'm corporal, gun commander in reserve) but the money was lousy and I'm in IT so had to decline but kinda regret it all the time
That feel when the gun swings back and forth and a steamy shell hits the floor tho thats sexual
I was ROTC in college. You are going to be balancing ROTC in addition to classes, partying, and sleep while your at college. Why add an additional that would make everything harder? Like others are saying, just enjoy the college experience.
The joke around my ROTC company was that when you left it, your GPA added 2 immediately. That and Villanova ROTC cadets were oh so enjoyable to be around during the semester ftx.
>having sex and fucking around
You're a moron. Officers and SNCOs that have nothing better to do than try to enforce unimportant regulations such as storing windex,CLP or LSA in a HAZMAT locker with multi-chapter MDS binders or spend their lunch breaks at the PX/BX telling E3s to keep their hands out of their pockets are a waste of a paycheck when their is more productive uses of their time such as ordering new equipment, ensuring deployment readiness, keeping up on the welfare of the younger enlisted or mentoring NCOs. "Attention to detail" is a buzzword taught at NCO schools by instructors that often spent their enlistment at TRADOC/AETC whatever the Navy/Marine equivalent is.
I've got a different experience from all of these Debbie downers.
>4 year federal scholarship
>4 years of tuition waived due to Illinois state scholarship
>Barely interfered with my college life
I'm doing nursing and am graduating this spring. I'll level with you, if you want to do infantry or armor you better change majors unless you can hold a pretty good gpa and really suck off whatever Colonel that has power over you. I know stem gets a small gpa bonus for oml, but it doesn't offset the abysmal gpa commonly held by engineers
Break a few lesser rules and you feel that you can break more important ones. A rule is a rule, sure it blows that it is so rigid, but in the end loose enforcement of a rule produces a suggestion.
I'm ready for your childish "scathing" response about how I'm wrong.
Depends on the year for competition. This mission set saw chem corp recruit the least with the smallest mission requirement. For years chem corp has been "that" branch where you go when you suck ass.
Why not just apply for your branch's officer to enlisted program. In the Army it's the Green to Gold, where they send you to whatever school you want, pay you your pay grade and BAH, on top of paying for school for a 4 year commitment post commission
>Go into Nuke Engineering and leave Navy OCS as an 03.
Don't. Don't ever. You'll get the rank either way and entering the Navy nuclear field is the worst decision anyone could make. If you're smart enough to do it then you're smart enough to get yourself a real job and get paid and not hate every minute that passes. There's a damn good reason that field has the highest suicide rate in the Navy.
Any of the 5 senior military colleges gives you an automatic active duty spot in the Army. But you'll have to ask around. I commissioned out of the University of Oklahoma's Army ROTC program and it was a mixed bag of personalities but in general a good time. Many went active duty and a few went on to become Ranger Instructors and Green Berets, but many of us chose to commission into the Oklahoma Army National Guard (your state may vary). But I've met some outstanding and some pretty terrible officers in my past 10 years from all components (active, guard, or reserve) and all commissioning sources. It all depends on what kind of bullshit you're willing to put up with and come out with the right attitude to become a leader of Soldiers.
What's the general consensus on officers from the senior military colleges? Snobby like academy folks or more like run of the mill ROTC? (Obviously this depends on the officer as an individual, but general trends amongst them is what I'm looking for.)
Depends on the university they attended. A&M, The Citadel, and Virginia Tech guys were all pretty cool. Norwich and North Georgia were douchers. No offense to those who went there but the few guys I have met from there were assholes.
A&M has a really rich tradition, when we used to play them on a yearly basis, the Corps of Cadets were the most polite and welcoming people you could meet (if you don't walk on their grass). And that was just when my fraternity road tripped down there for a football game.
This is very true, like I've said before I have met officers who were great leaders from all commissioning sources. I've even worked with some pretty decent guys from West Point. Many of whom just wanted to do their duty, get out and have a regular life.
A&M Corp of Cadets is literally the most horse and pony show ROTC program in the entire US. Countless examples of stupid fucking pointless shit going on there. Half the fucking Corp isnt even interested in commissioning. What kind of shit is that?
I'm not extroverted, but I had a fairly social life in college. I've been to a few parties from a large swathe of the college population--artsy crowd, engineering school, greek life, etc. But the ROTC guys really stuck out, because they were pretty fucking weird.
>active service before going to college, USMC
>this apparently makes me a badass in the eyes of these kids (I'm not a badass...not even online)
>they would invite me over to their parties, and I'd go
>there were a lot of girls in these parties, it turns out girls do dig military guys
>huddle around me asking for stories, as if patrolling stories were cool
>they'd ask stupid questions, very much like the questions you would find on /k/
>turns out I was "the man", since I was the only veteran student in my campus or something
>they would introduce me to other people, including girls
>I got very, very laid from this
>they let me in on their lame-ass fucking jokes
>Attentio-oon! BANG! BANG! *chug beer* (fucking stupid, I know)
>realize that these are basically frat boys that weren't cool enough to get a bid, so they went full ROTC
I'm not an old guy myself, but at 24, I felt too old to hang around a bunch of drunk 19 year old boys.
But goddamn girls dig older, but not too old, guys with more experience. Being a vet in a college environment is pretty awesome.
I was thinking on joining afrotc upcoming fall semester thing is i want to get a BA in Asian studies and shot for a intelligence position sounds really usless but my old apas had the same BA and position do i have a better chance in ocs or rotc