F-35 budget makes Air Force General faint.

>>28880986
Plane is pure gold man.

Cant beat pure gold.

>>28880986
SPREY, YOU CAN'T FOOL US
WE KNOW YOU'RE DAMAGE CONTROLLING AFTER A FAILED ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT

>>28881001
Sprey confirmed anti American supervillain.

I can see the creation story now...

>A MAN WHO GAVE HIS COUNTRY ALL
>A COUNTRY, WHO NO LONGER NEEDS THE MAN
>HIS IDEAS, IN THE TRASH
>HIS PRIDE, DESTROYED BY A NEW KID ON THE BLOCK
>HIS BABY, REPLACED.

>>>>NOBODY CARED WHO HIS FIGHTER WAS TILL IT PUT ON THE RADAR

>>28880986

We could have built 12 International Space Stations for the price of the F-35 project.

>>28881020
Over the same amount of time you could build 42 ISS's for the price of welfare

>>28881020
Or we could have burned all that money and ended up with a similar result as 12 ISS.

>>28881020
and they would all have done nothing but sit there in space, and make meme videos for normies to david bowie songs

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>>28880986
>sputnik news

>>28881032

Yeah but unlike the F-35, welfare is actually usefull to keep poor peoples in check.

>>28881040

> The video is a lie

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>sputnik news
Greatness inspires envy, envy engenders spite, spite spawns lies.

>>28880986
this is why you don't lock your knees anon

>>28881053
It certainly does keep them in cheques. That's the problem.

>>28881127

Call me a commie, but I prefer this money going to them than to any entitled child at the head of the board council.

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>>28881057
>sputnik news

>>28881012
>A man, deprived of his planefu
Punished Sprey when?

>>28881327
Fuck you, you commie.

The MIC puts out some awesome fucking shit, how dare you, HERE OF ALL PLACES, imply that we should cut the awesome fund for the dregs of society.

>>28881525

I'm not talking about the MIC, but of the dudes who shills their shitty plane to our corrupted politician, and take gold baths with our money.

MIC has nothing to do with it. We produced excellent planes without having to throw Gazillions of dollar at it in bribes and retro comissions. Hell, even the actual commies did.

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>>28881611
>F35
>shitty

sure thing meme man

>>28880986

Hey you wanna hear a joke?

[spoiler] The Russian Economy [/spoiler]

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>>28881611

I wonder who could be behind this post.

>>28881626

F22>F35

The Air Force should have turned down the F35 and poured funding to the FB22 and more F22s. Prove me wrong.

Why the fuck does /k/ support the F-35?

>>28881650
The muhreens and navy needed a new stealth aircraft as well

sensors and software on the f22 are pretty outdated

restarting the f22 production line would have been stupidly expensive

we can export the f35 unlike the f22

DUHHH, THE F16 SUCKS. WE SHOULD HAVE MADE MORE F15S INSTEAD.

>>28881650
the F-22 costs around double the F-35, and is already outdated in some ways in terms of software and stealth technology.

The F-35 has better sensors and multirole capabilities.

simple: F-22 is to the F-35 as the F-15 is to the F-16

>>28881650

Everybody knows that the F-22 was better. That's intentional. The F-22 is the Hi, the F-35 is the low. The F-22 is the new F-15. The F-35 is the new F-16.

If you took the raw stats of an F-16 and compared it up against that of an F-15, it would look like a pathetic piece of shit. Yet the F-16 still has a place at the table because it gives as a (comparatively) cheap fighter to swarm the enemy with and sell to smaller allies. The F-35 is the new lo. In the near future, there will be enough F-35's among the US and its allies to form an unstoppable fleet of 5th generation goodness, spearheaded by an elite core of F-22s.

>>28881683
I wouldn't mind a "F-22 B" with some F-35 gizmo's added in.

> uses as many F-35 parts as possible for cheap as well as logistics
> change to divertless inlets
> Add DAS
> overall electronics overhaul
> F119 to F135 or F136 for logistics and more thrust
> Change skin/coating to F-35 type

Well, at that point it's basically a twin engine F-35, which is something I actually want to see.

>>28881728
well, no point in upgrading the F-22. They have 184 of them that, while slightly behind the F-35 in technology, are still a full generation ahead of anything else in the world.

But they are working on the next F-X and F/A-XX project. Using the stealth and sensors technology from the F-35, probably even twin engines, etc.

>>28881728
>fitting two F135 into an F22

truly epic post

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>>28881683

Let the USMC and Navy take on the F35, while holding foreign interests responsible for most of the cost. Done and done. Meanwhile allow the US Air Force to further develop the F22 and accept the FB22 as a replacement for the A10. The Air Force needs more F22s as less than 200 hinders its mission. The F22 is going to be the next B2, where a single loss of a airframe can cripple operations. Adopting the FB22 also helps with logistics and would likely be welcomed by as a suitable successor to the A10 by congress. Granted it's too late to do so now, however we could use existing F35s to replace older F15s and F16s while F22 production resumes and FB22 production is started and latter sell them off if we have an overage of airframes or simply maintain them in the ARG.

>>28881768

Except your brilliant plan is completely unnecessary because we already have the F-35A rolling off the lines so there is NO REASON why the FB-22 would be need unless it was sufficiently ranged to act as a new Aardvark. And even if it could do that, it would a cool thing to have, but not necessary replacing the A-10.

And why do you think the FB-22 would be welcomed as an A-10 successor? The same people would line up and say stuff like "where's the gun", "it can't go low or slow", etc.

>>28881768
>another unnecessary aircraft
>it's a swept wings maintenance queen
>ditching a perfectly good aircraft for a marginally better one

>>28881768
it's not needed.

The F/A-XX program will provide that, and better than taking the F-22 and trying to redo it.
The F/A-XX will fill the role of heavier strike aircraft to replace the F/A-18E/F, the idea of the FB-22, the F-111, etc.

Basically, all current-gen planes will be replaced.

The F-22 will replace the F-15 once it fully retires. the F-35 replaces the Harrier, F-16, and F/A-18C, and the F/A-XX will replace the superbug and other heavier strike aircraft.

How is the F-15 Silent Eagle compared with the F-35 and the F-22?

>>28880986
Stay Gold, Ponyboy....Stay Gold.

>>28881815

The FB22 has what is needed, several bomb bays for small bombs giving it a good endurance time for extended operations before running out of ordinance. Granted would have to convince civilians that the 30mm gun is no longer needed and perhaps redesign the bays to accept guided missiles, which based on how many bombs it could carry would be more than the F22 or F35.

>>28881834
>>28881859

Take the FB22 out of the equation, we are still running short on F22s. This situation is mirroring the B2 program, where production was slashed to few numbers (original orders for the F22 was to be over 700) and this will be a major issue until it's replacement arrives in several generations.

>>28881755

F135 and F119 have the same diameter and similar length so no reason it can't be done.

>>28881672
Because as shocking as it is, /k/ is full of anons who know a lot about military hardware and are able to judge the F-35 by its merits instead of parroting clickbait.

>>28880986
Check the catalog before you make new threads dumbass.

>>28873243

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>>28881912

>Take the FB22 out of the equation, we are still running short on F22s.

There are still more F-22's than the number of fighter jets that most nations have in their entire inventory. There isn't a pressing reason to make more. I'd rather keep focusing on the F-35 as America's core fighter project and maintain funding for the LRSB and KC-45 rather than risk more cuts by starting a new "pie in the sky" fighter project just because some people are made that F-35 doesn't have speed on par with the F-15, which it does not need.

The only reason we should be interested in the FB-22 if it were an Aardvark equivalent in terms of range. But even then it would still be a much lower priority because the LRSB is gonna be the new long-range striker to fill that role. The FB-22 is basically a unicorn, all the roles it could fill are already being filled by the F-35 and the LRSB. In short, it's a turkey. We don't need it.

>>28881890
not nearly as stealthy, probably around the same cost as the F-35, not nearly the same performance as the F-22, nowhere near the same avionics and sensors.

re: numbers of F-22's, the US has 184 F-22's, but the US only has around 250 F-15C's. So in terms of air superiority fighters, 184 F-22's is plenty for now.

>>28881012
That's more Boyd, Sprey would be more like Huey without any actual knowledge of engineering.

>debating f35 costs
>still dont realize it was a massive money laundering operation that netted key people tens of millions of dollars

>>28884747
>tens of millions of dollars
Try tens of billions

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>>28881929
Because you're totally an aerospace engineer who knows all about what goes into putting an engine into a plane.

http://breakingdefense.com/2016/02/bogdan-predicts-f-35s-for-less-than-80m-engines-included/

>>28881053
>keep poor peoples in check

So you're saying the F-35 is no good for CAS?

>>28880986
Sprey is still a faggot, your source is shit and that's what happens when you lock your knees.

>>28881012
Then as the series goes on, it's revealed that his pride / baby was never his at all.

>Directed by M. Night Shyamalan

>>28882688
So.... Eli?

>>28885420
Different anon here but the F135 is literally a modified F119 with mainly just a higher bypass ratio.