Red Dawn

>>28870600

No

>>28870600
yes

>>28870600
W O L V E R I N E S

GET FUCKED COMMIES

>>28870600
Realistic? No.
Interesting idea though but the lack of response from the gubermant besides a downed pilot was dull

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More realistic than the new one with thor in it for sure.

>>28870600
The chair is against the wall, the chair is against the wall.

>>28871566
If you remember, I believe there was a scene where they were in close proximity with an opposing tank. There was some larger armored offensive going on in the background, IIRC.

Movie was lame because of the lack of foraging, hunting, and survival shit. Too focused on the American rebel fetish.

Growing up in a rural area in mountain valley. Hasguns (.410 savage) at age -- whatever age I was at xmas in first grade. Family watches news together most nights, stories about dead nuns in Nicaraugua, Soviets in Afghanastan, red military parades, ques for diseased animal meat in Poland.

See Red Dawn first run in the theater at age 13. Was like looking into the certain future to boys growing up around here. That movie, in that context and at that age was really something else. .

Jericho

This movie is basically porn

I know its entirely fake and unrealistic

Still watch it and thoroughly enjoy it anyway.

>>28872309
>Jericho
Most Underated mini-series ever

>>28872309
such a great show. too bad it ended early

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>>28870600
you had to hand it them they tried honestly to do justice to soviet weaponry and pact forces (granted their were issues) plus everyone today laughs a the cold war I look at it the russian were and still are a very real threat, never underestimate the Russian he is always dangerous, plus the backstory really made sense. the kids would never lasted as long, the Russian would made use of airborne assaults team of GRU spenatnz if they saw such a problem

>>28872513
>>28872476
Second season became shit. Should have continued with them foraging and trading. Idc how slow the first season was, watching everyone starve was awesome. I especially liked how police didnt have entire arsenals of plate carriers and shit.

>>28872309
That show is amazing.

Wasn't there a remake of Red Dawn, but it was set in Australia instead of the US?

I saw a preview of it a while back, but I can't remember the name.

>>28872658
>the Russian he is always dangerous

Get out slavaboo shill

>>28873567
I think it was called something like "Tomorrow:The Day the War Began". It was a'ight

>>28870600
>be from Colorado
>Highschool mascot was the Wolverine
>get fucked commies
>>28873567
no you twat
its was a remake but with best koreans and in Cascadia instead.

>>28873567
Yesterday when the war began or something of that nature. Don't waste your time, at one point they stuff a burning rag into a lawn mowers fuel tank and it explodes like a literal bomb. Plus all the weaponry is wrong and or air shit.

>>28871637
John has a long mustache, john has a long mustache

>>28872658
>I look at it the russian were and still are a very real threat, never underestimate the Russian he is always dangerous,
>tips ushanka
>are still dangerous
what year do you think this is you retard, the russians arnt shit anymore. They havent been important since 1991

WiC did invasion of America better than Red Dawn

>>28875412

As a Seattleite I really enjoyed that game.

>>28872658
They did send Spetznaz after them in the movie, with the tracking equipment. They got ambushed.

The real plot hole was any of them surviving the Hind attack. They were caught flat footed and the escape is kind of handwaved.

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>>28870600
>Red Dawn
> most realistic
pick one.

if it was realistic, you'd be speaking russian now and not spanish.

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WOLVERINES

>>28873622
Tomorrow when the war began

>>28871390
>>28871538

this

>>28870600
I consider it a documentary. Never leave a paper trail when acquiring a firearm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmrYVJWwBfE

Hollywood won't make movies like this anymore.

>>28873620
I aint no slavaboo I'm Red white blue through, but I have learned never to underestimate your opposition

>>28873864
they might not have the reach and capability but their certainly are not stupid they want war, they know the game to break NATO they have to take Warsaw and inflict major casualties in the first days of conflict,

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who remembers this game?

>>28876388
the whole Hind scene seemed unbelievable, the Russians would have probably had GRU hunter teams in that area after the food drop (guys out of Afghanistan missions no less), the moive portrayed the spanaztez as incompetent (I am under no illsion that 6 or 7 kids could take on what looked like a platoon sized unit with vets) it could have been likely those troops were reconnaissance elements and not GRU though

>>28880383

Love that game, been a while since I played it though. I should fix that

>>28871643
Nigger, a lot of the scenes involve survival or hunting.

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>>28872658
>you had to hand it them they tried honestly to do justice to soviet weaponry and pact forces
Eh... they tried.

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>>28880412
Or maybe not.

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>>28880425
Could be worse though I guess.

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>>28880412
Well considering at the time the best reference material they probably had on Soviet hardware were grainy Jane's Defense Weekly photos, I'd say they did a pretty good job.

> guy on the right.
> finger on the trigger while his weapon is pointed at his friend's back.

>>28871390
>>28871538
Welcome to /k/

>>28880504
That makes it even more realistic. The teenagers were suppose to be untrained fighters that made stupid mistakes at times. All of them ended up dying but 2. The only major success they had was breaking open the political prison camp due to being led by a US downed fighter pilot.

The point was even though they were nothing but a minor annoyance they tied down a large occupying force while the real fighting happened at the front.

>>28881255
That's what I loved about it. Very localized few month look at the beginning of the war.

>>28871566
gubermant was fighting for its survival along a 1,000 mile front

>>28870600
>what is The Road

>>28872658
>>28876388
>>28880396
I interpreted the Russian mistakes as being stretched thin in their war too. So the guys stuck doing counterinsurgency are second line and Pact forces.

>>28880412
>>28880425
>>28880432
>>28880437
>>28880446
>>28880458
What vehicles are those supposed to be and what are they really?

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>>28870600
>Red Dawn
>realistic

>>28873567
It is awful.

The enemy is some vague and faceless asian communist nation. Implied to be Indonesia because of how they talk about how Australia must share all their empty land.

The aussie military is barely seen and is only seen to be incompetent.

All the townsfolk get rounded up and put in prison camps. So they don't have to deal with having a large cast.

The kids spend more time hanging around houses getting high than being innaoutback.

Almost none of them want to fight. There are basically two action scenes. One is them escaping in a garbage truck and the other is when they try to blow up a bridge with a tanker truck and the one gun they have.

>>28880412

How are these bad? For most people who arent so autistic that they count the wheels on a tank these seem rather much like t-72s.

Compared to the crapGI we get nowadays its rather fantastic.

>>28870600
How did they get all that soviet gear before the Soviet Union collapsed? I don't know much about that stuff

>>28881460
Hahaha no
>oh man worlds ending
>mom can't take it
>she runs off in the night to Australia to become Furiosa
>dad has model 10
>two shots
>him and kid wander
>oh no kid is in trouble
>one shot
>here's a coke
>lets wander more
>oh no dad dies
>kid joins up with guy pierce
>end

Yeah that's not great cinema as opposed to

>kids in highschool
>oh shit Soviets
>run away
>grab guns food and ammo
>go Inna woods
>oh man were running low on supplies
>go get info and supplies
>pick up two chicks
>debate what to do
>Russians in truck come up
>kill them
>go full Wolverine
>kill them all
>powers booth gets shot down
>brings actual planning and tactics
>has sex with lea Thompson
>free prisoners
>dies
>Arturo dies
>get betrayed
>mayors kid dies
>get hungry and stupid
>grab obvious trapped supplies
>Jennifer grey dies
>Robert dies
>get out if tgere
>Charlie Sheen and Patrick Swayze dirty dance with RPKs and RPGs to cause distraction
>other two get out to free America
>John has a long mustache
>the chair is against the wall

Fuck the Road.

>>28881537
Egyptian Maadi AKMs, among the first to ever make it stateside. The RPK is stood-in by a Valmet, which was done numerous times in Cold War-era films. RPG-7 is a prop.

>>28881537
>>28881506
The prop master built the soviet vehicles on M111 chassis. They looked so realistic that the CIA grilled them as to how they obtained soviet armor. The guns are mostly Maadi AKMs from Egypt and there are other subtle things like the Russian commandee hunting them has a Jatimatic from Finland.

>>28871596
Yea, north korea invading is totally horse shit.

I actually just saw it two nights ago. The Soviet Union is long gone but it's still an unsettling movie, something that the remake totally failed at among other things. It's unrealistic ad fuck but I have to give it a lot of credit for trying to recreate the Soviet Army as authentically as possible, especially given the circumstances of the time. Not only are are T-72s present, but BMPs, Shilkas, BTRs and even BRDMs are there. I also find it intersting how they used AKMs with muzzle breaks and skeletal stocks as AKS-74s (instead of just using normal AKs lazily) and how well the mocked up an M60 to look like a DSHK. My only real complaint about the Soviets is the lack of helmets and sparce Web gear for them.

>>28872260
I watched it at 13 too. Blew my mind. That was an 80's year. Rambo and Terminater all the tine.

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>>28881586
It was supposed to be China, but they changed it. China's state movie censors might get upset and ban the movie and any other movie made by the same company. Which means hundreds of millions of lost ticket sales per year.

Just like the video game Homefront. Which had to create some future where Kim Jong Un was skinny and competent. He reunifies Korea, turns it into a super power, conquers all of East Asia. While at the same time America is weakened by oil shortages, plague, and economic crisis. Leading to the Koreans invading the USA and nuking the crap out of the midwest.

>>28881596
You have to understand that back in the 80s the only real soviet equipment we were getting was captured from Vietnam. Helmets and web gear weren't really available. The Soviet uniforms were all made by hand.

You also have to understand that we really had no clue how capable the USSR actually was and in the 1980s the threat of invasion was still a real possibility. It was only after the cold war did we learn how bad off the USSR had been.

>>28881643
1970s Pre-Afghan Soviet Union might have been a real threat. They were at their peak of conventional power and economy. While the USA was in a decline because of post Vietnam cuts and oil crisis.

>>28881676
Exactly. The afghani conflict bled them dry as it did the British. It really reduced their capability to wage war on the west.

>>28871566
>lack of government response

did you even watch the movie?

>russian/latin american sneak attack using nuclear weapons on coasts and physical invasion into central continental US.
>NATO punks the fuck out

>US still manages to halt advance

watch the movie, asshole

>>28871643
>I didnt watch the movie but feel compelled to have an opinion about it

>>28881623
Homefront and Red Dawn (1984) were both writen by John Milius. So i can see why they are similar.

>>28872476
could have done with less of the love story bullshit

>>28872658
>russians would have made use of special forces

not if special forces is fighting the actual war against actual military forces on multiple fronts.

>>28881623
Homefront had so much potential. Its a shame that it was so short

I wanted to see more Warsaw Pact troops.

>>28881803
I just want Red Dawn the game. Take it with the same time line but put it in Utah it New Mexico instead of Colorado. Hell you could do an open world gameplay like fallout or elder scrolls but have no levels or XP like stalker. You have a biggish city, two towns and wilderness inbetween. One town is US held, the city and other town are soviet held. The other occupied town is where you are from. Grab SKS and go Inna woods.

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World in Conflict.

start war in Europe, once all NATO forces are drawn into that fight. You then invade the United States from cargo ships.

>>28873864
tell that to the ukrainians

>>28873864
that kind of hubris is how you end up getting your nations flag stuffed up your ass

everyone is dangerous

>>28881853
Soviet assault was good too. It gave the other perspective of the war too

>>28881851
Red Dawn the MMORPG.

First person shooter. No levels. you die you die. everyone is fragile.

>>28881853
Found the game in the back of my computer desk and just finished playing that shit over the weekend.
>2007 was almost a decade ago
Having a large cargo fleet from Russia to the US without raising an alarm did seem kind of sketchy, plus the whole pacific fleet getting wiped out with minimal loss to the cargo ships seemed highly unlikely, but still that game is a 10/10 am going to play again right now because you posted this.

>>28881874
This need to be made

>>28880412
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>>28880432
would have made a huge difference if they would have covered the road wheels with soviet style rims and tread protectors

>>28881874
NO
fuck mmorpgs, fallout and stalker work because it's just you and not hacker assholes. I hate mmorpgs and like to play my rpgs alone.

>>28881467
Weren't the majority of the forces Cuban, but under Russian leadership? It's been awhile since I watched the film, but that was my impression as well. Most of the elite units were slugging it out to get to Colorado, leaving second line and garrison troops behind.

>>28881955
It could have a singleplayer mode
the same thing but you wouldn't need to deal with hackers and stuff

>>28880425

I don't know what kind of autistic slavaboo you are but for a movie in 1986 where all they have to reference are photos in soldier of fortune and some grainy photos of the victory day parade where no slav shit is being imported except for some small arms, they did damn good.

>>28881955
just imagine, a persistent real time world.

minimal npcs.

simulator level realism.

if you log out some place and not hidden or in a safe place. you could log in and be dead.

>>28881973
Right. There were loads of Russian troops but they usually seemed to be going somewhere (i.e. the front) while the reds used Cuban and Nicaraguan troops to garrison rear areas.
Hence Colonel Bella being in charge of that sector but with a Russian political officer hanging around.

>>28881586
MGM (who owns the rights to Red Dawn) began filming the remake with China as the antagonists About 3/4 the way through filming one of MGMs parent companies had a large portion of it bought by Chinese interests. Then the movie went into a holding patern for a year, had all the Chinese references and shit digitally edited out, and had the antagonist changed to a "coalition" of Asian countries lead by the Norks.

total horseshit. fucking chinks

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>>28881931
>would have made a huge difference if they would have covered the road wheels with soviet style rims and tread protectors

You do realize this was a low budget film that wasn't expected to be a success right? Charlie Sheen and Patrick Swayze were nobodies and the director was considered a nut job. This shilka was built on a M8A1 Cargo Tractor and the RPG-7s were built on RPG-2s that were secured from Israel and Egypt. They did a better job than the remake where the North Koreans are using American Humvees and Russian AK-103s, while wearing Chinese camo and using even a fucking M1 tank.

>>28881973
The world was an alt-history world. Basically, communist revolutions in South America combined with a detente-oriented US government (even more dovish than Carter) left the US very weak against a resurgent USSR. The USSR had also invested in a number of first-strike capabilities that were unexpected.

This gave the USSR the means it needed to launch a strike up from the South. South American soldiers were led by Cubans and Soviet troops.

The other way to look at the film is to see it as a way to let the US audience know how it felt to be invaded and occupied by Soviet forces (like how it felt in 1956 Hungary).

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>>28871643
>>28871566
>>28880504

Holy shit did all of these kids watch that new shitty movie with the Norks and think that's what we're talking about

>>28882173
Yeah that's not Red Dawn. That's Pink Sunrise.

>>28881600
Rambo, Die Hard, Predator, They Live, The Thing, Red Dawn, The Road Warrior, Terminator, Robocop, Commando, GI Joe, Transformers, Ronald Reagan, Teddy Ruxspin....fuck yeah 80s

>>28880396
The actual smart move would have been to just poison the food with something that couldn't be tasted, where vomiting wouldn't save you. Bam. Hungry kids all eat, die, no more problem.

>>28881752
John Milius is an amazing dude and responsible directly or indirectly for a metric fuckton of really cool shit, most of which is /k/ related.

>people thinking it was primarily soviets in the town at that point

They were mostly Cuban/South American garrison forces

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>>28870600
Red Dawn isn't realistic at all and the acting is terrible.

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>It was five to one. I got four.

VVS BTFO

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>>28870600
>wearing the enemies camo

That's a good way to get shot by friendlies.

>>28881853
RIP Missouri

>>28882199
Good list of movies

>Ronald Reagan

Remind me why we have the NFA

>>28882110
>the director was considered a nut job

Uh, the director, John Milius, had screenwriting creds from apocalylse now, dirty harry, jaws, and conan the barbarian, he is linked frequently with George Lucas, Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Zemeckis, and Steven Speilberg, and that was before he made Red Dawn

>>28882306
>Shoot straight... for once... you Army... pukes...

>>28882110
also Im not saying it isnt a "good job"

In fact it is my all time favorite film ever.

what Im saying is that the treads/wheels is what gives the tanks away as being props

>>28882306
I could actually see that happening. Worked with fighter pilots and the amount of skill difference between a Colonel and a new Lt is huge. They'd talk about how a 2-ship of experienced pilots, same jets for all, could pull off "utter bullshit" in air combat training and bounce far more opponents than they had any right to from looking at the engagement by the numbers/setup.

>my favorite was hearing about how in some training mission the newer pilots got pounced on and destroyed so fast that what was meant as a single air to air engagement exercise became two of them with the scenario reset, so that some training use would be garnered by the newbies
>and then they got bounced super fast again

>>28882306
weren't soviet jets superior to amerilard ones in the 80s?

>>28881803
>>28881851
Its in development limbo right now but there is a new Homefront game in the works that is supposed to be open world and focused on urban combat.

>>28882327
Uh, the "NFA" was created in 1934 by FDR dipshit, then expanded by LBJ in 68.

Stop trying to associate Reagan with gun control you fucking democrat bootlickers

The only thing that happened under Reagans watch was the closing of the MG registry which was a compromise to protect other firearms that Reagan would not have been able to stop the dems from pushing through regulations against.

>>28882383
Doesn't matter, if a pilot gets a drop on you, you're more than likely dead.

Maybe they had better planes, but it isn't about that - the movie is attempting to showcase his skill as a pilot through dialogue.

>>28882391
Stop defending Reagan you faggot.

>>28882400
Just curious but is wrong about the details he gave?

>>28882391
Also, Republicans of the era drove for re-opening milsurp imports. If it weren't for Reagan Mosins wouldn't have been so cheap, and /k/ would be even more noguns.

>>28882400
stop being a democrat, commie

>>28882391
Brady Bill passed under a republican congress with a republican president named after a republican press secretary.

>>28882383
Uh, no, the Eagle was already in use at that point and was way better than any Soviet alternative.

Also this: >>28882395 and >>28882366

>>28882395
he states he was an F15 pilot.

F15 would have been pretty well matched against most soviet planes of that era

>>28882314
There were no friendlies dumbass

>>28882108

Ironic, since the Chinese were definite enemies of the Russians in "Red Dawn". They got nuked by Russia, and it's kinda surprising they didn't send "technical advisers" into America. I sure as hell would have in China's shoes, just to get back at Russia for nuking me.

>>28882314
thats hard to do when the closest enemy is a downed pilot

>>28882451
In the early-mid 80s they didn't have the force projection necessary to do that. Also, after the nukes ("800 million screaming Chinese") they were pretty much tied up with fighting in their own area. My guess is they were busy advancing into Siberia.

>>28882452
>friendly

>>28882451

They wouldn't be best buddies with the Americans or anything, just teaching them how to inflict maximum damage to the Russians.

As fitting the movie's style, when one of the Americans asks why the Chinese are helping them, one of the advisers would suddenly get very grim. He would describe his country ruined by Russian nukes, how much he hates Russia, and how fixated he is on revenge.

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>>28882464
Or experiencing the wonders of Threads.

>>28882431
>brady bill
>republican president
>republican congress

everything you just said is a lie

or are you to retarded to read wikipedia?

>>28882464
We never hear about Japan though. I'm wondering what happened. Russo/Japanese relations were frosty in the 80s and they had been in two wars since the early 1900s

>>28882442
No, we THOUGHT it was well-matched, then we got a Fulcrum defector who brought us his plane and we realized it was much less capable than the Eagle.

>>28882499
They may have stayed out of the war like Europe did (except for the UK). If this was an alt-universe with a more dovish US, they may have decided to keep quiet and hope for the best.

>>28882464

I was thinking just three fanatical volunteers with military experience, so hell-bent on killing Russians they'd travel all the way to America to ensure plenty of that happened. They're not even sanctioned "officially" by their country.

>>28882513
what I should have said was "the eagle would have been a match for"

yeah, the eagle was and still is a fantastic plane

>>28882523
How would they get to America with their country a radioactive shithole succumbing to mass starvation and disease.

Adding "Chinese advisers" makes no sense because its not plausible.

>>28882464
Definitely not advancing into Siberia. More likely struggling to survive.

>>28875412
This. Russians get BTFO I'm America but Germany is a no man's land.

RIP Bannon

>>28882523
If only Milius had known about Jackie Chan.

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>>28882523
I'm sorry but no. Red Dawn takes place in the fictional town of Calumet Colorado. Colorado. They have to cross a thousand miles of land before they even get to the state then another 200 miles to calumet.

>>28882536
Their northern armies would advance, as they've got nothing better to do. It's a long march back to the population centers, where there isn't much good they can do. Also, that was part of their doctrine if attacked.

>>28882536

Long-ass trip, smuggled out of country. There's no reason to stay, China is in ruins. The chance for revenge is elsewhere. Almost of them die, except 3.

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>>28882572
>Their northern armies would advance
>die with their logistics in utter ruins
>half mutiny because of concerns for home
>new warlords era arises in Chinese Wasteland
>tiny remnants of "advancing" armies gets btfo by Russian border guards

yup

>>28882606

Should have hit the South. It's warmer.

>>28882611

Or they could just go to Taiwan and get smuggled to America that way.

>>28882623
That's all they need is rednecks with guns fighting them.
>SWAMP RATS
>BULLFROGS
>MUDBUGS
>BLACK PANTHERS

>>28882611
This is something they had planned for years, I'm sure they prepared for those eventualities. The Soviet border guards would be swiftly over-run, by human waves if necessary.

Then it would be the Soviets rushing to get their divisions over to Siberia before the Chinese cut the rail lines.

>>28882606

>Blue is U.S territory

Blue is U.S and Canadian Territory.
Fix'd

Canada is not part of the U.S.

I'm glad we are fighting the good fight tho

>>28882641
Or go to Taiwan and stay because why the fuck traverse the Pacific in a time of war?

>>28882654
This is delusional beyond belief. Human waves with a radioactive logistics base? Soviets "rushing" to Siberia when they're using it as a goddamn transit and jump-off point for the invasion of Canada and the US?

The Chinese military in the 80s was a joke. Some "general advance" after 1/5 of the country is dead from a nuclear attack and the entirety of the nation is succumbing to radiation sickness and starvation is fucking retarded.

>>28882677
If you have no idea about Chinese plans in the 80s, please don't post.

>>28882677

Most would, but a few would be so hellbent on revenge they'd cross an ocean to get Russians killed.

>>28882687
If you're going to make up bullshit and ignore reality, I recommend you do the same.

>>28882690
Well they didn't do it because it's a stupid idea for a film. They'd probably be more hellbent on not dying from cancer. The end.

>>28882702
>reality

You have no clue.

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>>28882656
Canada was annexed by the US in 2072

>>28882714
Keep trying, Chang. You'll convince yourself.

>>28882702

The whole film is completely implausible to begin with.

>>28882687
Citation for plans?

Do the plans say "in the event our entire military infrastructure is wiped out and our population centers destroyed, we do X to attack conventionally"?

>>28882199
>Ronald Reagan

Fuck off, walls should built not torn down.

>>28882718
That's nice, ivan.

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>>28882738
It is, since we both know I'm right since you haven't been able to refute a single point. Cheers!

>>28882677
I dont think you understand how large siberia is

>>28882744
Poor guy, wrong and he doesn't know it.

>>28882761
Chinks gonna Chink, you know?

>>28882759
I don't think you realize how irrelevant your comment is in the context of the scenario.

>>28882735
Prove the plan doesn't exist, Ivan.

>>28870600
>Fat, coddled, comfy American populace.
>Effective resistance.
Shit, this is the country where one or five soldiers lost in battle is an event in a small town.

>>28882772
But he's right, you aren't.

>>28882796
>he
Show where I'm wrong.

>>28882806
everywhere

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>>28882819
That's nice, dear. Try again when you have a real argument.

>>28882833
You too

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>>28882819
not the one you were talking to but really nigga?

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>>28882772
>I don't think you realize how irrelevant your comment is in the context of the scenario.

> Soviets "rushing" to Siberia when they're using it as a goddamn transit and jump-off point for the invasion of Canada and the US?

>according to you, Siberia is the size of rhode island or that they would be staging forces in the south east

cmon bruh

this is almost as bad as acting like the border guard was well equipped and not a complete joke

>>28882845
>Y-You t-too
ftfy

>>28882846
There are two key things he is overlooking, and because of that his whole argument falls apart. I would like him to figure this out on his own.

>>28882865
>t-too Y-You
fytf

>>28882854
>1/5th of population dead
>population centers on fire
>entirety of military infrastructure wiped out
>command and control gone
>logistics base irradiated
>no political hold over troops
>rumor and news likelier to spark mutinies
You have to make the case that they would be in any position to launch an effective, meaningful attack. Which they wouldn't be. And weren't in the film. How long the border is becomes utterly irrelevant. The most dangerous thing would be Chinese refugees, and with winter setting in at the time of the attack in the film that problem would sort itself out.
Case closed.

>>"according to you, Siberia is the size of rhode island"
Stop pretending to be retarded.

>>28882877
>"make my argument for me!"
lol still trying?

>>28882898
kek

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>>28882877
>where am I wrong?
>Im not going to say, figure it out
just fucking say it

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>>28882314
You work with what you got

>>28882915
>make up things that aren't in the movie, the entire point of this thread
>b-b-b-b-but it's okay!
>meanwhile china doesn't have nukes
>siberia is tiny

pls

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>>28881853
Without a doubt one of the best vidya stories I have played through. I really felt connected to the storyline for both sides in the expansion.

>tfw no WiC2

>>28882928
>>make up things that aren't in the movie
Please actually watch the movie before joining in discussion about it.

I realize your mistake now.

>anyone saying Siberia is tiny
I'm strongly sensing I'm just being trolled at this point.

>>28882917
The problem with saying it is that people tend to shut down in reponse to that, rather than consider it.

But the two key aspects relate to the way in which Chinese forces of that era were arrayed, and the way in which Siberia was settled.

>>28882951
Then either say it or fuck off, retard. You still never responded to: >>28882735

>>28882915
It's actually 2/5 of the Chinese population died.

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>>28882950
>Please actually watch the movie before joining in discussion about it.

>literally the only mention of China is that there's 600 screamin' chinamen that are still fighting
>you completely made up horse shit about mutinies, cnc, logistics, etc, etc
>get assravaged when you get called out on it
>HURRR WHY THEY HAVE TO DO ANYTHING TO GET TO SIBERIA, THEY'RE ALREADY IN SIBERIA FROM WHER THEY'RE LAUNCHING THEIR ATTACK ON DA US AND CANADA! RUS/ALASKAN BORDER AND CHINA BORDER ARE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER XDDD

pls

pls

>>28882961
Question for you- how do you get from Moscow to Vladivostok?

>>28882736
you know Nikolai, you're only paid to shill against the F35 and NATO, you dont get a bonus for shit talking dead American Heros

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>>28882977
>that are still fighting
All that's said is they're screaming. After suffering 400 million deaths.

>made up about mutinies, cnc, logistics, etc, etc
You tell me what happens when enough nukes hit China to kill 400 million people. The factories, the military infrastructure, the leadership.
If you don't have the brains to understand what happens, just admit it and I'll explain it.

>>HURRR
Calm your autism. The Russians are already there, with supplies. Where do the supplies for the "advancing" Chinese hordes (advancing from a country now undergoing mass starvation due to a massive nuclear attack) get theirs from?

>>28882982
I'm still waiting for you to provide a citation. I don't care to play games.

>>28882982
Why can't you just answer a question straight up?

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>>28883014
>All that's said is they're screaming. After suffering 400 million deaths.

Confirmed for not even having watched the movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIMH50X0F-4

>You tell me what happens when enough nukes

>get BTFO that you've been making shit up
>b-b-b-but it's still valid!

>still hasn't even addressed anything else and instead clings to bullshit in a desperate attempt at deflection

>>28883023
Too bad.

>>28883029
Because answering this question is a key to understanding.

>>28882977
>get assravaged

>says the guy who spent 90 posts saying "no u" and being unable to defend his point of view
Classic day/k/are

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>>28883014
>The Russians are already there, with supplies.

do you understand the distances involved in what you're saying?

>>28883050
>only one person could possibly disagree with me!

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>>28876416
build the wall.....

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>>28883039
>movie says 400 million Chinese are dead and the war is conventional now
Thanks for proving me right.

>You tell me what happens when enough nukes
Well?

>>get BTFO that you've been making shit up
What post? I'm still waiting for you to tell me the effects of enough nukes to kill 400 million people.


>>still hasn't even addressed anything else
It's hard to address your points when you don't have the guts to make them: >>28882784
>>28882819
>>28882845
>>28882877

From what I can see, while 400 million screaming Chinamen may be in the film we have one screaming Chinaman right here.

>>28883049
>no citation
Then I accept your concession. You have nothing and no desire to back your words up.

>>28883080
There are at least two people posting- I'm not the anime poster.

Again, how do you get from Moscow to Vladivostok? Let's say you have a whole bunch of supplies for the army that has already crossed into Alaska. How do you get those supplies to Vladivostok?

>>28883071
ironic post

>>28883071
All the same writing style.

>>28883094
My not posting doesn't make you any less wrong. Perhaps you would like to review some history of the region and become enlightened.

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>>28883080
>Thanks for proving me right.

>>You tell me what happens when enough nukes
>Well?

>russia has absolutely no problems because super soviet union can survive not only a us nuclear strike but also a chinese strike because i say so lol

8/8 i took the b8

>>28883113
I never made a claim. You made one and have admitted to being unable to prove it.

Ergo you lost the debate against the other anon(s).

>>28883113
It does if you want to be taken seriously.

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>>28883121
>chinese strike
Stop making shit up that wasn't in the film.

>can't answer anything about the effects of nuclear warfare
top kek

>>28883130
I haven't admitted anything, except how you remain wrong and have lost. Your deflection doesn't change that.

In future, you may wish to explore this subject further by consulting your local library.

>>28883113
>history of the region is Russia BTFO of China
Message received.

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>>28883146
>accuses others of deflection by trying to deflect the argument away from citing his secretive sources

You can't make this shit up!

>>28883146
>make claim
>get asked for citation
>"can't do it"
>claim to win
It's like pure delusion...

>>28882948
What would you fight in WiC2? I mean Russia is down and out in the US. There's still Europe. Maybe a mainland invasion of China?

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>>28883152
That wasnt the case the first time. Ficking Peter the Great's shit got halted.

Not to mention Ruskies only weighed in on China when Brits defeated them.

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Christ Chinks are bad at debate.

>>28883152
Yes, in the main. Do you think that perhaps this history may have led to certain political and military steps by China during the Cold War?

>>28883175
>>28883176

Rhetoric is no substitute for actual knowledge. There's nothing secret about a library.

I'll even get you started on your search- what happened in 1969 that was significant in the region?

>>28883201
>Rhetoric is no substitute for actual knowledge.
Then back your claims up instead of deflecting and dodging. Fucking Christ!

>>28883201
>Rhetoric is no substitute for actual knowledge
So cite your sources.

>>28883201
>what happened in 1969 that was significant in the region?
Chinese developed a serum that made their population and crops immune to the effects of nuclear weapons.

>>28883215
I've already pointed you in the right direction, it's up to you to take that path.

>>28883216
Cite the counterfactual- that everything was sunshine and gumdrops and puppies on the Sino-Soviet border.

>>28881542
Nice bait bruh

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>>28870600
This movie is basically my wet dream. The only issue I had with it was that it was too short, and their budget wasn't big enough. Like the tank battle was meant to appear much bigger than it was and such.

I started writing my own version of this in modern times but I've gotten side tracked like I always do when I try to write something. But in my mind it would be more of a series with more survival, different kinds of ambushes, and teenage love stories.

>>28870600
it's the least realistic habbening movie ever made

habbening is going to be us vs the government

>>28883320
Hows that bait? Its what happened in both movies

>>28883331
>thinking the movie called the Happening was more realistic than Red Dawn

>>28882486
Threads sure took nukes to the max.

>>28881874
More games need to embrace perma death.

>>28870600
Do automated pencil sharpeners that are covered in salt give good blowjobs?

>>28883419
I'd like to see a version of it. You can respawn but you have nothing and are someone else entirely. People you did know as another character read differently. If you were leading resistance like the Wolverines an npc takes over and you can join again but have to work from bottom up. Also places you looted are still empty so it makes resource gathering strategic. As well as small skill perks per characters. Character 1 may have been a better leader but character 2 is a better infiltrator where character 3 is a better sniper.

>>28882606
México is USA ally, actually we are a neoColony

>>28883605
THEN WHY DID YOU SIDE WITH THE SOVIETS AND INVADE?

>>28882431

Uh, you're one out of three on that one.

>>28883079
This

>>28883644
for take the land you stole us...........actually school classes since elementary school to high school allways say us: gib to México the conditions to take back that land, no matter how much blood we must pay.
But no hard feelings gringo, in the cold war we was neutral and help you a lot.

>>28883763
Mexico never owned any land in the US, though

>>28883774
New México, California, Oregon, Texas, Arizona?????

>>28883806
Mexicans once lived there, but Mexico can't own any US land any more than a dog can own a house. Since Americans were the first civilized people to get there and build on it, it's American land

>>28883774
Are you dumb? Mexico owned everything from Oregon to Colorado. They gained it from Spain.

The Mormons just took most of it away from the Mexicans.

>>28875412
I agree, although the idea of China coming in to support the Soviets in the late 1980s is completely ridiculous. The Sino-Soviet Split happened in 1968 and Russo-Chinese relations weren't really fixed until the breakup of the USSR. The Chinese were even helping the U.S. support the anti-Soviet insurgents in Afghanistan in the 1980s.

Red Dawn (the original one, not the shitty remake) at least acknowledged the Sino-Soviet Split by allying China with the US.

That all being said, World in Conflict is a kickass RTS and I absolutely love it.

>>28883816
But its like your house, maybe you never use the backyard, but that backyard is yours no one can take it.

>>28883816
But you have a point, we never use that land (no incluid texas).

>>28882390
AWW SHEIT NIGGA.
SAUCE ME DAT NOW!

>>28883840
>>28883855
It doesn't matter, it was claimed by Americans. Since the only other claimants were Indians and Mexicans, by default it is American land.

>>28882314
>Stealing their fur hats.

>>28870600
No. There's no reason anyone would bother trying to invade the US. It's too geographically removed and the population would be overjoyed by having people they can murder at will.

A more realistic SHTF scenario is economic collapse, followed by everyone shooting everyone and carving out little enclaves, and/or states becoming nations. I don't think anyone has done a story like that though. Jericho came close, but then had conspiracy bullshit.

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>>28883871
We allways have discrepancy about land and its meaning. The American way of think is produce, more capitalism, the spanish and latin/catolic way to understand the land is more like the old Hidalgos (feudal lord) honor and prestige (no matter if you use it or not). Sorry fo see the world like that, Spanish background.

>>28881803
>>28881851
>>28882390
>>28883867
Nevermind, found this:https://youtu.be/kS7imd2ExjU
Gogle says it's supposed to come out this year, so I'm a bit hyped? Heard not much about it. Thank God most are going open world though. Also, it reminds me of Far Cry, if that's anything new.

>>28883871
That could be the reazon to make us friend of all your enemies (Catholic enemies: Germans (2times) Rusky, french) and british protestants fathers ones.....actually the told us, dont make it problems with murica sell that stupid land.

>>28883944
Your understanding of our culture and our concept of land use and ownership sucks ass, friendo. And that is not our problem. Not within our borders.

>>28883995
I guess the whole concept of personal responsibility and individual liberty is lost on him

>>28883763
We already paid you moni for that land

>>28884045
yup, pay 15 000 000 and you lovely initial ofert was 30 000 000 its like 10 cents for each 4046,87260987 m2

>>28882606
The one thing I never understood about the film is this: why would the US stand idly by and let Mexico just fall to communism? It's not like Reagan would've let America's drug farm/weekend getaway get fucked over by Ruskies. America actually did learn a lesson from Cuba, believe it or not.

>>28882623
>>28882650
A land invasion of the Deep South simply would not work. Not a viable option. Too much rural/forested land, too few valuable cities to house occupation forces, & too many rank and file citizens armed to the teeth. It's a invading force's nightmare and a /k/ommando's dream scenario.

>>28884314
You think they idly stood by? NATO fell apart, Europe was in shambles. The US was trying to maintain force. In the original setup Mexicos government collapsed and the soviets invaded within weeks of each other.

>>28871390
>>28871390
gggaaaaaaaayyyyyy

>>28883236
He's probably referring to the Zhenbao Island thing. But I have no idea what hes getting at.

Bottom line, armies need logistics. After a nuclear attack by the Soviets, they wouldn't have any.

>>28884529
That's one thing I liked about Red Dawn though was that the nuclear strikes were quick but not all encompassing then it went to conventional warfare.

>>28884610

Of course. The Soviets needed to seize all our farmland to alleviate their own massive famine.

>>28883343
>the government is trees

it's the SECOND least realistic, happy Autismo Jones?

>>28882065
>get my guy back to make shift base in a cave deep innawoods
>secure and clear base, set traps, have him eat scavenged food, drink clean enough water, and then put my guy to bed
>save game and log out
>log in next day
>you are dead
>you died from a rattle snake bite in your sleep
>be sure to check your bed next time

No. It's probably the most fun though.

>>28884610

the way it would have gone is a stalemate somewhere in germany and then tactical nuclear strikes to break it, deleting whole divisions at a time

that would last some months but then eventually its global thermonuclear armageddon every time

Nukes are just too enticing for it all to be all limited tactical nuke drops

Only in your dreams.

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>>28881623
This game....this game awoke my patriotism. The beginning scene with all the nork atrocities. I played it three times through, I obsessively killed every enemy soldier in the game possible (I went easy on the survivalists,they were americans after all. I played the mission sneaky breeky style). I would take way longer then I should have autisticly slaughtering the gooks. I still feel like I didn't kill enough. Can't wait for two. I will drown that digital world in good blood.

Anyone ever seen "went the day well" it had a bit of a similar feel. But with British fighting nazi's in a small village . Had an awesome scene with housewives sniping germans with enfields

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>>28885929
>>homefront
>not Freedomfighters

>>28886220
No... I have not... Need to see it.

>>28886283
Here's the trailer.
https://youtu.be/oJ9Xm9st4Sg

Germans sneak into england in brit unis with brit weapons and hole up in a brit village in prep for the main invasion. Villagers eventually figure out the krauts and fight back.

>>28884314
the US is standing idly by right now while mexico falls apart into pockets of areas controlled by cartels, vigilante citizens organizations, marxist revolutionaries, and a socialist government...

>>28881792
I never made mention of any Russina specail forces if you are refering to the Amercain idea in some way, GRU, VDV, and naval infantry spenantz are more specail reconnaissance direct action

>>28881467
regular forces were Cubans and Nicaraguans, the speznatz were Russian (big problem is the directors a the time clearly did not do their research into how soviet small unit tactics or search destroy missions were done

>>28886649
Not like that that was info the Russians shared

>>28881477
t-72 t-80 BTR-70 one was supposed to be ZSU-34 was very impressed by this, granted i imagine considerable confusion was going on with the t-72 t-80 at the time of production of the movie

>Hundreds of trained soldiers get killed by a bunch of high school students with almost no combat experience at all

Seems realistic

>>28881477
oh forgot bmd 1 as well

>>28886690
eh could gone both ways your average south american solider would have been a conscript and not to capable

>>28886665
true but I imagine if they dug deep enough could found something, granted all my information comes form opsrey book and reading up on the subject

>>28886690
>hundreds of trained Americans get killed by jihadist dirt farmers in two countries
Seems realistic

>>28882347
look many of use are detailed oriented as well but at least they put the effort in road wheel conversion is difficult especially when anything with tracks is american made

>>28870600
I dug the hell out of that movie when i was a kid. now i would like it for the comedy value.

>>28880370

The ideal scenario is Desert Storm where you and your enemy both are under the impression that your force strength is roughly equal and then they get absolutely annihilated in a couple set piece battles and a rout.

As for Red Dawn, yes, it is a rather realistic depiction of a possible Soviet invasion, and we take for granted Gorbachev, but the Soviet Union could have collapsed in a number of ways and Red Dawn was a possible scenario for preventing that collapse.

The slightly unrealistic thing is that the Soviet Union really did have persistent crop failures, and the United States sold them a shitload of wheat to keep everything stable through the seventies. That is why Colfax, Washington, was the town with the most millionaires per capita at the time. There's no reason to assume that wouldn't happen again, since it is much cheaper than going to war for either side.

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>>28883079
>build the wall.....
Too fucking late. Had Trump done it 10 years ago, US would be still salvageable. Now, whites will be a minority.

RIP USA

>>28881495
Haven't heard of this, maybe its a different film? I thnk he's refering to the 2012 version with Josh Peck. The remake is a bad movie with good moments and nice aditions (it takes about defectors, how they get food and better guns, what they do when they fuck up a mission, and best of all: IED's)

What I never got is why the Soviets found it necessary to attack China also...

>>28882390
The closed beta is on right know, it's fun as fuck
>mfw operating guerrilla style in philly with 3 friends

>>28881573
Were AK-47s hard to get in the west-ish back then? Since everyone trumpets them as being made everywhere and in the millions

>>28887553
Yes and no. Legally very much so which is how the studio had to do it. Illegally they were in the US.

>>28870600
Not a chance. The end of the revolution in Russia or Eastern Europe didnt just happen in a few weeks. Or a few years. Romanticism.

>>28871566
they were in a county town in the Midwest out in the mountains, the fighting would have been focused in the cities, specifically on the costs
In fact the whole premise of the Russian invasion was dumb, dropping paratroopers that far into the heartland of enemy territory is impractical. Within a few months they were have been wiped out, It would have made more sense to attack the coast

>>28889129
You're an idiot if you think they only dropped paratroopers in the Midwest. That was the first wave to break up US forces. Second came over Alaska and Dow through Canada as well as north from Mexico. The plan was to cut America in two and take the farm land first. That did not quite happen. The Cannuks and US stopped them at the northern border from linking up with the south.

>>28889426
I didn't say the only dropped paratroopers, but they dropped them pretty deep into enemy territory. Paratroopers can only work if they have the invasion force within close proximity like Normandy or Italy in WW2

>>28871637
I have a patch with a chair against a wall with an AK propped up next to it.
>full disclosure: don't drink and amazon

>>28882518
being an bong i really appreciated the nod to the uk, as if it still had it's blitz spirit bravado or Churchill inspired faithfulness to the cause... that Britain in the middle of ww3 sounds like a much better place to live than today, and that's really depressing...

>>28882717
canuck education everybody, am i right?

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>>28889536
>don't drink and amazon
Plz, that's the best.
I love getting suprise gifts from myself that I drunkenly ordered.

>>28880383
>THAT WAS CLOOOSE

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>>28881853
>dropping fuel-air bombs on columns of advancing NATO armor in the french riviera
>tactical nukes on Seattle
>10/10 advertising and cinematics

this nigga gets it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eErC9UVEL-Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiCGKrp96Mw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hjnl5gDgCM

>>28872309
Definitely! I loved how the whole damn thing seemed exactly how a small town would react you know? Just sad how it got canceled just when the gettin' got good. Totally wanted to see

>Civil War 2.0: Texas Edition

>>28875412
B A N N O N
A
N
N
O
N

>>28881586

BUT YOU SEE GOY

WE CANT OFFEND OUR CHINESE BUSINESS PARTNERS

>>28870600
Untrained people pointing loaded guns at each other and surviving by virtue of luck? Yeah, it's probably the most realistic.