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Why isn't the BAR considered the first assault rifle?

>1 man crew
>select fire
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It was large and heavy.
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>>28868371
>fires full size rifle cartridge
>weighs 18.3lbs
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It was fucking massive.
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>>28868371
Go fuck yourself
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>>28868371
not an intermediate cartridge
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salt ruffles fire underpowered rounds, are lightweight, are issued to all troops in a unit
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It was chambered in .30-06, a full power rifle cartridge. An assault rifle must be chambered in an intermediate power cartridge like 7.62x39 and 5.56mm
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If anything it was a heavy as fuck battle rifle deployed as an LMG.
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>>28868371
Even if we used those criteria the BAR still wouldn't be the first assault rifle, the Madsen would.
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>>28868442
Wasn't that a bolt gun?
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>>28868458
madsen lmg
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>>28868458
Are you banned from google?
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>>28868461
>>28868460
Oops just happened across the older bolt one.
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>>28868371
No it wasn't. It was an automatic rifle.

That term back in the 20's-40's means a rifle that has more rounds than usual (i.e. bolt/semi auto rifle). And whose job is to provide a base of fire so cunts with rifles can maneuver around the enemy and kill his ass
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>>28868554
so what made the stg-44 different enough to be an assault rifle
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>>28868563
The intermediate cartridge you windowlicking cockwallet.
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>>28868574
How was this such a le revolutionary idea

why did no cunt say oi we could do that
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>>28868563
It fired an intermediate rifle cartridge (7.93x33 Kurz) as opposed to the full power battle rifle cartridge of the BAR (.30-06, or 7.62x63mm)
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It's a LMG.
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"assault rifle" is a void term that doesn't encompasses the variety of fierarm development.

Trying to label such and such gun as an assault rifle is stupid, especially if the gun was designed before the term was created.
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>>28868585
It got it's nomiker not from the capacity of the clipazine or it's caliber. The name is derived from the german word "sturmgewehr" which means "storming rifle" or quite literally an assault rifle. It set the benchmark and thus became the kleenex/google/computer of it's time.
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>>28868585
They did, those just didn't catch on.
http://municion.org/7mm/7_65x32PistolenKarabiner.htm
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>>28868384
It kind of makes me wonder why criminals choose the BAR rifle of all guns to use.
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>>28868404

Off topic, but what is the recoil limit to be considered an intermediate round? Does .243 qualify? .25-06?
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>>28870201
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
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>>28869021

Not exactly a great deal of variety around at the time.

Use what you can get.
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>>28869021
because those were available.
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>>28868383
>weak wrist babbys
faggot
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>>28870201
Sometimes i wonder if fighting two world wars and nuking japan twice was worth it
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>>28870201
Sick and disgusting.
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>>28868585
because back in ye olden days people thought
>detachable magazines would always get lost and weren't that much better than stripper clips
>800 yards is combat range
>muh stoppin powa
>full auto is useless for riflemen
>magazine cutoffs are a good idea

shit like that
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just educate yourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIVTDo2Xno0
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>fg42
>1man crew
>selective fire
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>>28870201
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>>28868404
so wouldn't that make it a battle rifle?
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>>28868371
Because the Mondragon is a far better fit to the criteria than either the BAR or Madsen, though it too is more of a battle rifle. If the Remington Model 8 had ever been selective fire it would have been the first true assault rifle, though.
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Because it's a machine gun, not an assault rifle. Not that difficult to wrap your head around.
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>>28870564
an overweight battle rifle maybe. it was intended to be fired from the hip while walking over the battlefield.
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>>28870201
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>>28870201
>>28870609
many mounds form over JMB grave
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>>28870201
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>>28870201

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFm1K00WEuA
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>>28868587
>7.62x33 kurz

Literally unobtanium
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>>28871288
7.93* fuck whatever
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>>28870564

Technically, it could be considered such.
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I agree with Max Popenker's assessment that the first military-adopted firearms that meet the criteria for assault rifles are those select-fire Winchesters the French used in the 1900s.

>This concept was supported by practical experience gained during the Great War with the French-issued US-made Winchester M1907 self-loading rifles. These handy carbines were initially bought from the USA by the French army to arm aircraft observers, but machine guns soon replaced rifles in this role. On the other hand, compact and handy carbines that fired a good “stopper” cartridge (.351 WSL, also known as 9x35SR, with round-nosed bullets) were excellent weapons for close combat on battlefield. Fitted with extended magazines (15- or 20-round capacity), bayonet mount, and, in some cases, converted to fire in full-auto, these little rifles became progenitors of the modern “assault rifle” concept, which is, in basic terms, an automatic carbine firing reduced-power ammunition. This reduced-power ammunition is also known as intermediate power ammunition (or simply “intermediate cartridges”), as it is less powerful than standard military rifle ammo but more powerful than typical handgun ammo.

Fuck Hitler for popularizing the term "sturmgewehr." Machine carbine sounds more better and more accurate.

>>28871288
Prvi Partizan still produces new 7.92x33mm Kurz.
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>>28871354

>machine carbine

I kinda like it. Or maybe "machine rifle"; never heard that one, but it works.
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>>28871429
The StG 44 prototypes were initially called machine carbines, until their development had to be concealed from the administration, which was opposed to the creation of a new rifle caliber - leading to the machine pistol designation. Finally, Hitler decided he liked the product anyways and called it the storm rifle for propaganda purposes.
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>>28868563
It literally defined the term assault rifle. The name essentially means assault rifle therefore there was no use of the term until the STG-44 came about.
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>>28869021
i know right? why didn't they use m4s or ak-47s???
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>>28871459

I always thought "assault rifle" was a pretty silly name for them, anyway.

I mean, what if you're not assaulting? What if you're holding a position? Does that mean you're using it wrong?

Machine carbine makes more sense.
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What about the M1 Carbine? Is that not an intermediate cartridge?
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>>28871834
You could argue that the select fire M2 variant fits the definition of assault rifle.
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>>28870201
Why is everyone flipping out? It's new production.
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>>28873771
I think it's one person flipping out desu senpai
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>>28873781
this or bandwagon
either way there's still a reason the BAR was phased out quick.
Whatever the case JMB is my lord and savior.
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>>28873826
yeah the BAR wasn't the greatest by any stretch but it is still pretty cool, ohio ordinance builds a nice reproduction
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>>28868371
Cause you had to go to law school to use it first
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>>28873781
this
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>>28868371
Weight, ammo type, dimensions, all say LMG
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>>28870564
Squad automatic weapon but yea also a battle rifle
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>>28873826
The BAR lasted 3 wars it was not phased out quickly.
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>>28868404
or how about the MP44, chambered in 7.92X33, which was one of the first true assault rifles.

Btw, Fedorov fags fuck off, it was chambered in 6.5 Arisaka.
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>>28871459
Sturmgewehr means assault rifle, what you are looking for is the MP44 designation. Which means they were concealing it as a sub-machine gun, not a rifle.
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How fucking retarded are you? To be classed as an assault rifle it has to fucking fire an intermediate fucking cartridge
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