My sister lived in England for nearly 10 years after she married a brit that was twelve years older. Eventually they divorced and a couple years later she ended up marrying a Finn and moving to Finland. This last summer the family came to visit me in the South Western US and we got into the inevitable gun control discussion. She grew up around firearms, Dad and I used to hunt a lot and she even shot them a lot until she discovered that boys have penises and then she went after that. But now, having lived abroad she's convinced I should just give up my guns for the safety of everyone. Even when she was staying with me she made mention of a few times that she did not like having her six month old daughter in the house with guns. I told her it was fine, her daughter's father was a Finn Sniper, who's father was a Finn Sniper, who's father was a Finn Sniper that served in the Winter War. She did not laugh.
Some of things she said
>When I was living in the UK I never felt that my privacy was invaded
>I don't think anyone except LEO's should have weapons, it makes it safer for everyone.
>You can hunt rattlesnake with a stick or a bow.
>I don't feel that the US is the better country, I think the UK is the better country and I wish that the systems in place in the UK would come to the US. I might move back if they did.
>Why do you need 30 round magazines?
Why does your husband need 30 round magazines in his RK when he's serving with the Finn guard?
>Because he's military and you're not so you don't need that. What are you afraid of, you think that some mexican army is going to come over the hill and attack?
No, Skinwalkers will though
>you're just being unreasonable. There's no situation in where 30 round magazines are necessary
At least she calls them magazines.
She's a lot cause but have we fallen so far that these people are idiots? Her husband and father in law fully support gun rights. She on the other had is a complete and total moron.
What's there to be done?
>What's there to be done?
Just don't make any single compromise like "Well, you might be right on this one thing"
Eventually she will give up since nobody is giving her attention or that coveted halo of "I'm worried about X and thus superior to you" that strokes her ego.
She doesn't actually give a shit about magazine sizes or gun laws.
She just wants attention.
>She on the other had is a complete and total moron
Why for having an opinion? The least you could do is rest easy that your sister is married to a man that is willing to defend his home.
No offense or anything, but your sister sounds like a typical liberal whore.
You have to be deaf and dumb (or have cock coming out your ears) to not feel like your privacy is invaded in England. I use to travel there for business, about 5 years ago, and it was horrible. Just the amount of cameras was overwhelming, and I know its gotten worse sense I was last there.
>what's there to be done
Nothing, she's a woman.
Also I hate that whole why do you need 30 round mags argument/questions.
Because I enjoy shooting and hate reloading ?
Why do you have a 15 gallon gas tank. I think having that much gas increases the likelihood of you getting into a car accident and killing a child. You should restrict your gas tank to 2 gallons. It's safer for everyone.
>Her husband and father in law fully support gun rights.
It's their job to keep their women in line, not yours.
I'm surprised she hasn't been brain-imprinted off her husband yet. Is your worthless sister still pining after her UK ex?
As an American currently stationed in england, it is weird, the LEO don't even carry handguns unless they are a part of an anti terror unit. They carry batons, pepper spray, and a taser. There is a shitload of CCTV cameras everywhere and guns are pretty much abhored by most the locals I talk too. Its like they removed firearms and just put a load of cameras to watch everything you do.
I don't give in, never will.
I used to go visit her a coupe times a year and I felt like the state had shoved a camera up my ass while I was walking around in public
He was abusive both physically and mentally so knowing how retarded women can be and how they tend to go back to that shit she probably is
>she made mention of a few times that she did not like having her six month old daughter in the house with guns
"There's the door sis, you're welcome back whenever you feel like it."
>I don't feel comfortable staying in a house with a firearm
Where does this logic come from? Maybe if the owner is a complete retard and leaves a loaded piece lying around, but from the sound of it she knows this isn't the case. It's not like the gun will become possessed, escape and go on a baby murdering spree. Not unless you really pissed off a gypsy
My gf used to feel uncomfortable around my pistol. I keep it loaded, always. I showed her how the safeties work. Dropped it loaded a couple times. Took the slide off, let her hold the frame, inspect the slide. Shes not ready to shoot it yet, but shes not afraid of it anymore.
>American female goes to Europe
>won't shut up about how much better Europe is
does she only have the one kid? Once she had the baby she went to full protect mode and everything and anything that could cause harm to the child was probably safetied. power socket covers, cabinet door locks, foam on the edges, ect. But she can't get the guns out. something that has been ingrained in her mind as something that will fall out of safe, hop over to the child and fire. so she's trying to get you to bin them for her chillon.
If she ever has a second one two things may happen.
1. best case. She gets the 1st baby worries out of her system. She learned that everything is not in her control and hopefully saw situations where her child got hurt (boo boos) even with her safety measures, shit happens. Hopefully she notices that guns had nothing to do with said shit that happened. When she has the second she'll be more the wiser and not stress on every little thing that has any possibility of causing harm.
2. worst case. She doubles down and takes the "Its only because my motherly intuition that my baby didn't get killed" stance and goes full overboard. Her ignorance will be solidified as infallible fact. Her kids will be spoon fed for most of their childhood and probably be spoiled rotten as they reach adolescence.
I think babies should be raped and murdered and isis should rule the world. What? It's just an opinion! I can't be a moron just for having an opinion! Why, if you tell me I'm insane, evil, and moronic for wanting such a barbaric world, you're unreasonable.
Action and opinion are two different things. I want to segregate the over 55yo population to retirement sectors within the city. But, you don't see me rounding up old folks into cattle cars and putting them on the outskirts of town do you?
>hunt rattlesnake with a stick and bow.
Anyone who says this should have to actually have to do this bullshit they spout.
>"hurp derp, you can kill a bear with a knife!"
Ok then you show me how it's done first.
Drag your brother inlaw aside and ask him if he plans to do some father/daughter bonding at the shooting range. Maybe your niece will come out not a total lost cause. Namely not growing up in Cuckland UK might give her some hope.
And when she inevitably come visit in the states, her uncle, you, can shoot with her while her mother screeches bloody murder.
And if she ever comes to live in america, you can be the awesome uncle and gift her a gun for self defense and past time.
Faggots say that the right to bear arms applies only to the militia.
This changes the words while keeping the grammar the same, to show that the 2nd Amendment is clearly referring to the people.
fuck i hate living in the uk, i had SO19 raid my
house and point a G36 at my head for owning this
paint ball gun. i was shooting it in my back garden,
which is a nice size for central london and i saw my neighbor watching me trough his window.
next thing i know ive got 15 guys all suited and booted kicking my door down and putting me in handcuffs. apparently the paint gun looked real enough to be an "imitation firearm".
So now i can never own a real gun in the uk ever.
fuck this place
To be fair, that looks a LOT like a real gun. But having your rights removed because you were on your own property with something that wasn't a real gun but looked kinda like one? That's some shit.
>>Why do you need 30 round magazines?
Funny thing is those are completely legal here in the UK. You'll only ever find them on .22 sports rifles though.
That's absolutely fucked, mate, I couldn't agree more.
>>28858116 here, it can't have been all that happened, as owning one on personal property is fine, isn't it?
Offence: A person commits an offence if, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse (the proof whereof lies on him) he has with him IN A PUBLIC PLACE
a loaded shot gun,
an air weapon (whether loaded or not),
any other firearm (whether loaded or not) together with ammunition suitable for use in that firearm, or
an imitation firearm.
Settle your affairs, go to America on vacation, and simply stay. Ten million Mexicans can't be wrong.. and nobody will suspect a young white guy with a stylin' foreign accent of being an ILLEGAL ALIUM. Do it.
While I hate filthy Reds as much as anyone, what you're describing is totalitarianism/authoritarianism, not communism. The Salem colony (of the famous witch trials) is just as much an example of snooping neighbors ready to bring government force upon their neighbors, and they existed before communism was even a nugget in one of Marx's shits.
He's going for the "yeah, you don't NEED them, but there are plenty of things you don't NEED to have in order to live your life; motor cycles, summer cottages, fast gaminc PCs, et cetera; you don't support banning those too, do you? Just not absolutely NEEDING something should never be an argument for its regulation in a free society" angle.
Would actually suggest this, but I'm willing to bet you're one of the people who loves his homeland enough to want to stay and change the place. Protip: don't, leave and never look back because its people will continue to break your heart.
That doesn't work because guns are in their own special evil category. Pic related.
When somebody you've known since high school INSISTS on disenfranchising, robbing, killing, or imprisoning you by using the coercive power of the state -- and no politician or media outlet will argue with him -- you know your society is really fucked up.
Just keep on the comparison to alcohol. It actually works pretty well I've found. If they defend alcohol, point out that alcohol kills over twice as many people as guns; not even just murder I'm even counting suicides. Guns kill ~30k each year, alcohol kills ~75k. If they want to prevent death they should start with the things that actually kill the most people; get the most bang for their buck.
>tfw half British Finn born in UK
>feel no connection to my native country
Now I have to watch my other country be destroyed aswell
Feels bad man
You're not getting it. Guns are DIFFERENT because they are MADE ESPECIALLY to KILL. That makes them more dangerous than perfectly innocuous shit that kills twenty times more people.
yeah it's real - apparently the British have forgotten Soviet era propaganda posters, and have neglected to read 1984... UK has no guns, imports terrorist muslims, conducts mass surveillance indiscriminately.
>We need millions of muslim immigrants
>We need to watch everyone to keep you safe from the muslim immigrants
Tell your stupid whore sister to go back to the UK and then laugh at her when she gets brutally raped by a bunch of sandniggers then tell her " good thing you didn't have a gun to protect yourself"
If ever you use anything with that word on it then you need to reevaluate your cucky life choices
If ever you live in a country who's government openly uses that word for it's general citizenry... you're all out of liberty.
>only skimmed but
ahh.. your sister has deep-seeded family issues and just sees you as free drama. Women run off of drama and ovaries.
Either that or she's testing your resolve and intelligence and secretively wants to fuck you in some weird way. Women never really say what they mean. it's always about something else.
Do yourself a favor and ignore her.
Good luck with your muzzle loader when you're assaulted on the subway. The shotgun you overpaid for and is locked in a gun range safe will help your female companion as the gang of muslims rip her to pieces.
Finnfag here, your sis sounds like a bitch.
>"why do you need X ?" argument
you could apply that to any modern luxury. We were fine living in caves and dressing up in animal skins few thousand years ago, so why not just do the same now?
Also do those people ever give any reasonable explanations why "dem 30 rounders" are "bad"? Would it be any different having a few dozen 10 round mags? What would they think of the 40-60 round triple stacks, or the 70-100rnd drums? Heck, even that one yank Sheriff said and demonstrated it in his videos: the mag capacity matters very little in the end.
Not to mention she seems to be totally oblivious of the Finnish military system. Her hubby is now part of the reserves, just like 1/10th of the entire Finnish populations. The reservists tend to practice their military skills by themselves, if at all. Tons of people got these "reservist rifles" (=semiauto variants of military style guns), and matching hi-cap mags, yet there's been zero mass shootings or murders done with said guns. Would she blow a fuze if her husband got a Finnish AK + pile of mil-surplus magazines?
>Same with fully grown adult Jap females
youre lookin at the wrong ones m8
>You really shouldn't talk politics with family.
This. Most of the younger members of my rather large family figured it out when I cut off a few repeat democrat voters. Better hope bernie forgives your debt big homie, because that tuition money train won't be making any more stops at your station.
Watching "progressive" millennials being forced to fend for themselves for the first time is fucking hilarious, by the way.
>When I was living in the UK I never felt that my privacy was invaded
I guess their government is better at hiding it / conditioning people to it? GCHQ does spying and data mining on par with, and in cooperation with, the NSA. Your sister is a confirmed tardo.
So I work with a lot of late teen and early 20 somethings. I'm 34. I was jacking off to dialup before most of these guys popped out of daddy's nut sack. I offer to introduce anyone that wants to shooting rifles and handguns. Many of the girls take me up on it, they just need to pay for their ammo. So usually they're pretty good listeners and shots but fucking hell sometimes you get an absolute retard wont listen. The worse is when they think you're doing it just so you can date them. Yeah that's what I want, some retarded 20 year old that can even get the concept of don't muzzle sweep people. Millenials... With the exception of some of you /k/ommandos are fucking stupid as shit.
America's drug problem causes a lot of criminals to do dumb shit for drug money. That's the real reason gun violence is high. It's not the road rage scenario or two neighbors not liking each other. Although, when those do happen, it's a huge fucking deal.
Guns aren't the biggest factor of people being shot, it's your involvement with/vicinity to a high crime area that is the biggest factor.
I have a weird feeling that OP will make another thread telling us that his idiot sister sold his guns at a pawn shop for "their safety."
God damn my heart still hearts for the anon that had his mother sell his WASR for like 200 bucks after his father bought it for retail for him
you should have told her that Americans have rights and those rights are to ensure protection against tyranny which is why Americans own similar weapons to the military, and that if she doesnt like that she can leave and not come back and is more than welcome to hand in her passport and renounce her citizenship because she has deliberately forgotten what is is to be American.
and while that may seem a harsh thing to say to your sister, you either go all the way and draw that harsh line in the fucking sand or she'll think thay what she says is somewhat or in whole acceptable here, which it is not.
one other thing,
If she is staying with you at your house and she says some shit like "Im uncomfortable to have my child around your guns" then you go rent her a hotel room for the night and you send her packing. YOUR DOMAIN is your castle and if she insists on attacking your lifestyle in your castle then she can walk her ass on over to the Quality Inn.
>He was abusive both physically and mentally so knowing how retarded women can be and how they tend to go back to that shit she probably is
when she starts talking about...
>"how she felt safer in England"
>"Oh yeah, even when (ex's name) was beating you?", that sounds really safe to me"
If she doesnt immediatey shut up about it and continues with the argument then say...
>"did the UK police do anything to stop you being abused?"
which leaves open an argument for women needing the ability to protect themselves from physically stronger attackers. just keep using her as an example for the situation
>>Why do you need 30 round magazines?
>There's no situation in where 30 round magazines are necessary
Kay I have to stop right here.
Why the fuck do these people think a 30-round magazine HAS TO ALWAYS HAVE 30 fucking cartridges in it at all times?
My AK came with two 30's. You want me to spend more fucking money to appease you? Fuck you. I'll keep my 30 and put only five in when I zero or hunt or whatever the fuck. How-fucking-about-that?
Why do you NEED an 18 gallon fuel tank on your car? Can't you get by with 12?
I dated a girl who was staying at my place while I was working, she was afraid to stay there because I lived in the city, so I left a gun out (ruger SP101) so she'd feel safer. I set it at the foot of the bed she was in after going over basic safety rules and right before I left for work. I came home from work and she was still in bed, the gun exactly where I left it. I picked it up and she bolted for the bathroom saying she really had to pee, when she came back she admitted that she was to scared to touch the gun or even walk around it.
women are scared of everything due to the lifetime channel
55 is too young, and not even close to retirement. Id move the age up to 70, to be more in line with actual retirement ages and changing abilities of people as medicine and healthcare allows for older people to stay more active.
but yeah, when people stop giving a fuck they need to be moved the fuck out of the way of people who are trying to get there
>Are you fucking dumb?
You pulled that straight out of your ass.
>Millennials (also known as the Millennial Generation or Generation Y) are the demographic cohort following Generation X.
>There are no precise dates when the generation starts and ends; most researchers and commentators use birth years ranging from the early 1980s to the early 2000s.
If you were born in the early/mid 80's you are one of the dirty, filthy millennials you love to loathe.
Deal with it.
fuck off, faggot commie
I hope you did something to get back at your neighbor. Like kill him.
Its not that you have literally "no guns", its that you have so few gun owners, so much anti-gun propaganda, so little regard for individual rights, and such an atrophied political power base as to be essentially a no-guns state. Your guns only exist at the will of your political opponents and there is literally nothing you can do about it.
>Women run off of drama and ovaries
>the dates used by social researchers are false because they can't demonstrate an exact date
Okay, fair enough.
>but you should use my definition that I made up on the spot because something something
And that's where you fucked up.
When you get fed up with it you're welcome to come to the USA. Our citizenship test has been simplified lately. You don't need to know any of our history or laws, don't need to marry an American woman, all you need to do is eat this giant sandwich.
Nice bait post, OP. Very subtle.
Did your "sister" also tell you how she loves her new muslim "immigrants" who are destroying that country and raping little UK boys and girls while the media and your government covers it up?
What did she have to say about that?
I think the UK has a much bigger problem right now than "guns and knives".
>Ten million Mexicans can't be wrong
Try more along the lines of 20,000,000 - 30,000,000 hispanic illegal alien cockroaches that have illegally come here since the 1950's. Not to mention those people breed faster than cockroaches.
That's why shit like this happens:
>It's official: Latinos now outnumber whites in California
>who are destroying that country and raping little UK boys and girls while the media and your government covers it up?
Meanwhile, in "Stories that anon made up"...
Dont forget that the Scottish are cannibals, and are all heading south to eat babies, but the newpapers arent reporting it because its a "cover-up" too.
My Dad sold my Grandfathers service revolver that he specifically left me in his will. I was too young to own it, my Dad offered to hold it until I was old enough. He's a nogunz faggot liberal and sold it for beer money.
My 4 on the floor wouldn't lead to a very high speed chase.
They already hate huge engines, and at 7.5L with no cats from the factory, I'm sure they would be glad to see my truck banned.
If you can't finish it they send you to Mexico.
Regardless of what country you came from, any claim to US citizenship is withdrawn and you are stuck on a greyhound with a can of refried beans and the guy who used to mow your lawn.
I actually think this makes a pretty solid counterpoint to people arguing that an armed populace prevents governments treading on their citizens. GCHQ and NSA are pulling the exact same bullshit to the point they hold hands while doing it and the 2nd amendment has made no difference whatsoever.
>These are real situations that happen!
I enjoy my funs as much as the next man but if you think that's reality in any first world nation it might be an idea to put off your next purchase and take a trip outside the US. Or maybe just outside your house/prepping bunker.
inb4 Cologne gang assaults. The reason that made the news in such a big way is because it's exceptional, that is, not the norm.
>Own a paint ball gun
>Dress it up to look like real gun
>Surprised by people mistaking it for a real gun
So long as they paid you for any and all damage caused and no criminal charges were pressed then that seems fine to me. I can imagine the headline now:
>Man seen training with firearm in garden. Police say they cannot intervene as it 'Might only be a pretend gun'
>So now i can never own a real gun in the uk ever.
This is the point you should be lawyering up. If you've committed no wrongdoing then you shouldn't be penalised.
>>28858144 This post does the legwork for me. Your back garden is not a public place. You're either skipping something or too dumb to get legal assistance in legal matters.
Well then, maybe thats the best counter argument. someone who has lived their entire lives in a protected little neighborhood doesnt really have the authority to put forth a resonable opinion on what others might need for their safety. Some programmer living in Atherton or Menlo Park should not be able to lecture some guy living in south Oakland about how he shouldnt have a gun.
Half of /k/ would rather watch babies get raped and murdered than lose thirty round magazines, the other half know their babies will be raped and murdered if they don't have thirty round magazines
make local cops as armed as the people they are serving, no more or less.
make gunlaws force that you can't arm your self more than the state police can(at maximum)
would make sense at least.
Are you completely off records then, how do you survive, money housing and the likes?
Curious britfag here, considered this on several occasions
You met a lovely lass and got a greencard?
>Your back garden is not a public place
Clearly, you underestimate the level of communism over here.
If someone can see it from public land, it is consistently ruled by our courts to be 'public' for the purposes of firearms, being naked etc.
Ya know your car? Yep, that's a public place.
Back garden where a neighbour can overlook? Yuuuup, public place.
Your front room when you and the Mrs. don't quite pull the curtains closed fully? Public place.
Fuck, I hate this country.
>13 years old, Grandpa dies
>In his will he leaves a few guns to various family members
>I happened to love his S&W .38 that he carried in Korea
>He used to take me innawoods, tell me stories about Korea and various postwar shenanigans
>Naturally in his will he specified that I receive the revolver
>Never took the will to probate court because everybody received what they were left and the rest was not worth much and equitably distributed without a lot of conflict
>Living primarily with Mom at this point, Dad says he will hold handgun until I can legally possess it
>Stores it wall panel behind dryer, where he keeps everything important
>Ask to see it occasionally over the years, want to go shooting
>"Blah blah blah, not old enough, why do you want to kill someone, guns are bad mmkay"
>Verified it's existence a couple of times, but really cant stand my Dad, so only maintained social ties because I wanted that gun and he wouldn't release it to anyone else because "they can't be trusted"
>Probably should mention that his drinking got steadily worse since my Mom left
>Be 18, get my purchase permit the day after my birthday, fucking had to be on a sunday
>Go over to Dad's house, purchase permit in hand, wheres my gun?
>"I don't think you're mature enough to own a firearm"
>"Motherfucker I already own two, this makes three now hand it over"
>"It's mine Anon and you can't have it until I feel it's asseptable"
>Fucker's drunk at 4:30 pm
>Welp, The sheriff disagrees and I know where it is so I'll get it myself
>He tries to grab me as I go to the laundry room
>Just bulldoze through him, knock him on his ass
>Pull dryer out, unplug it and whip panel cover across the room
>Gun isn't there
>"Where the fuck is it?"
>"Wouldn't you like to know?"
>That fucking drunk smirk
>"Yes, tell me right now where my fucking property is"
>"It's gone Anon, you're MY son and yuo can't have a gun until I say so"
>"Which fucking pawn shop did you sell it to?"
>More of that drunk logic of it was mine even though it was yours
>On the verge of losing it now
>"Ill give you $100 to tell me where it is"
>"Make it $500"
>"Fine, $500 as soon as I get the gun back"
>"Nah, I want $1000"
>Don't exactly remember what I screamed at him, something about being a worthless drunk, better off dead, etc. It wiped that fucking Gomer Pyle retard grin off his face though
>He shoved me, I tripped on the dryer plug and fell over
>"Look who's not such a big tough guy anymore haw haw haw"
>Rage reaches defcon 1, it's clobbering time
>Pick up dryer, bounce him out of the room with it, hulk smash dryer into him
>Does surprisingly little damage, definitely fucked the dryer though, plus it knocked him down and landed on his ankle
>Pin him to the ground,
>"Where the fuck is it? Police will more than believe that I killed you in self defense and the whole family will back me up. Tell me where it is now"
>My negotiation skill have gotten through to him
>He sold it to scumbag friend
>Grab his phonebook, get scumbags number
>He gets up limping and starts screaming at me
>Proceeds to beat the shit out of the dryer while saying he's going to call the police
>"Good, tell them about the stolen handgun you sold"
>"Get a hold of scumbag, offer him money for the gun"
>"The gun my Dad sold you, I will pay you double what you paid for it, I just need it back"
>"Its gone anon"
>"Tell me where, if we get it back I will fucking pay you"
>Turns out over a year ago he traded it so some nigger drug dealer for a bottle of pills
>Drag scumbag to the projects, ask around about nigger
>Nigger died in home invasion
>Leave scumbag in projects, head to police station
>File police report for stolen gun, tell them it may be in evidence from a home invasion in projects
>They ask how I know
>Give them the broad strokes, get bitched out for going into that neighborhood
>LEO is brother of kid I was in boy scouts with
>They actually investigate
>They talk to Dad, he accuses me of assaulting him and stealing $1000
>"He also said you broke his dryer"
>I happen to not be total white trash
>Seems to help with police
>Tell them he was fixing the dryer when I went over, told me I made him beat up the dryer and owed him a new one
>He admits nothing about the gun, scumbag admits nothing about the gun
>The will wasn't official, just some document prep by mail notarized by a local nobody. Is also long gone
>Police check evidence from burglary, no gun there
>Ask around every pawn shop, no luck
>He called me once asking for money
>I told him I hoped he changed his mind on guns, told him a .357 hollow point would be perfect for him to kill himself
>That was 6 years ago
>I haven't spoken to him since
KNOCK KNOCK LADY! EUANS MUM SAY YOU GOT A GUN IN THIAR
I love that a fuck like that think he holds anything over you, fucking sickening fuck, hope someone breaks into his place and the next time you see him is at his funeral.
I don't plan on wasting money for a grave or a funeral. If someone else wants to pay for it, thats fine with me. Otherwise I will probably donate his body to medical research and let them do whatever they want when they're done.
I would recommend hiring a drifter to kill him.
>Why does your husband need 30 round magazines in his RK when he's serving with the Finn guard?
>Because he's military and you're not so you don't need that. What are you afraid of, you think that some mexican army is going to come over the hill and attack?
>the military should be well armed but the civilian population should be kept defenseless
She adores England, the country known by both its supporters and its haters as having a boot on the entire worlds neck for a long period of time. No fucking wonder she holds the beliefs she does.