I of course don't know, but it sure seems fishy to me that they apparently were going to release more info on JFK'S death but decided not to after realizing that people were still alive from when he was shot. My guess is that he was assassinated for wanting to change the system, declining Operation Northwoods, etc.
Sorry if my incoherent tinfoil hat bullshittery is unintelligible.
Carcanos are perfectly capable of making that shot
The distance isn't as extreme as it's made out to be (white arrows mark shooter and target in pic related)
Oswald was know to be both a wierdonwith delusions of grandeur and a good shot.
Also people assume the headshot on jfk was intentional, (probably to add credence to the difficulty of the shot) it probably wasn't as center mass is the preferred target for marksmen and jfks torso would have been exposed.
>>28849987 Dude, It wasn't that hard of a shot. The limo was moving at less than 10 mph and the maximum distance was 81 meters when the last round was fired. Oswald was using a scoped Carcano model M91, an Italian WWII infantry rifle. The wonder isn't that he hit five times out of six, but that a trained Marine rifleman missed once out of six shots with a scoped rifle at such a short distance on a slow moving target. >Oliver Stone is so full of shit that his eyes are diarrhea brown
Having been to Dealey Plaza, I could make those fucking shots. It's not far, and it's not a complex shot. Target is below you, slowly moving away, in a not-quite-straight line. I'm sure even the most poorly trained qualified infantryman could do it.
Also, anyone who says ANYTHING about the grassy knoll is a fucking moron.
>>28850249 >libtards who can't accept that a marxist communist killed their beloved democrat god-Kennedy >must be muh right-wing conspiracy CIA mobster US military russians and/or aliens >as soon as the event happened, they tried to blame da ebil white hateful racist texas people
anyone have a good video of a shooter testing the shots on a moving car? And not history-channel shit stuff, I've seen that kinda thing.
I just wanna see a skilled rifleman shooting the same gun at a moving target from the same distance/angle and see the results. 5 shots and everything, etc. Just to be able to conclusively shut people up with the "muh firing too fast had to be two shooters" and "impossible accurate shot" crap
No, seriously. Knoll is a shit shot. Target is moving in front of you at an irregular pace, and you're shooting over a crowd of people, and you can't tell it today, but the knoll was exposed as fuck in 1963. Hell, I'd shoot from the overpass before I tried the knoll.
>>28849987 Do you put in any credit in the idea that Oswald totally intended to assassinate JFK, and hit him, but that an M-16 in the follow car, carried by an inexperienced officer drawing it after the first shot, actually killed Kennedy?
>>28850274 My dad was in the nuke program in the 60's with the Navy on the development side of things. Reactors and such. He told me about a conversation he had with a guy in intelligence about the Kennedy assassination. He basically told dad that that Kennedy kept trying to take out Castro and that Castro got him first.
The way the original positions were postulated, the magic bullet would've been fucking unlikely at best, but with the revised position of the governor there really isn't anything that greatly contradicts the lone gunman theory.
>>28850449 It's entirely possible my old man was bullshitting me. I still remember offhand comments he would make about stuff, like telling me that the irradiated gold in some story was bullshit, that "we could stick gold bullion in an active reactor, pull it out and watch the rad count drop almost instantly."
My favorite moment was when i was probably 15 and we were watching some cheezy sci fi movie. A scene with the reactor came on and dad said, "That's wrong. It doesn't glow green. It glows electric blue."
Dad got out of the Navy in '67, a year before I was born but stayed a reservist. My uncle told me that he had been approached several times by Naval Intelligence to come back and had refused. I found this out several years after he died.
Look up the 3D recreations of the area with recreations of the car and movement from the Zapruder film. They then draw bullet trajectories from autopsies and time them with the movements in 3d space with the Zapruder film.
Every shot trajectory sends a line right into the window of the book depository.
>>28851081 >he had observed an active pile that was under thirty feet of water. telling the truth. Intense sources of radiation in water create an effect known as Cherenkov radiation- cutting a long story short, the speed of light in water vs. the speed of the radioactive particles causes an eerie blue glow. Pic related.
>>28851288 It didn't Connally was in a bucket seat that was inset from the couch in the back Kennedy was sitting in. Connally was inset and below Kennedy in height.
Of course the bullet that actually killed Kennedy was from an ND the Secret Service mechanic performing escort duty in the chase car was responsible for when he stood up holding the M-16 and the car lurched.
>>28851420 His wounds weren't in a straight line. >Governor Connally also reacted after the same bullet penetrated his back just below his right armpit, creating an oval entry wound, impacted and destroyed four inches of his right fifth rib, exited his chest just below his right nipple, creating a two-and-a-half inch oval sucking-air chest wound, entered his arm just above his right wrist, cleanly shattered his right radius bone into eight pieces, exited just below the wrist at the inner side of his right palm, and finally lodged in his left inner thigh.
>>28851993 ruby was a small time asshole who wanted to be big and was dying of cancer anyhow. he was just another sixties asshole who decided to get famous by killing a famous person, he just shot a famous killer instead of a public figure
>>28850249 >Also, anyone who says ANYTHING about the grassy knoll is a fucking moron. What if it was actually astro-turf, but with all that publicity, and astro-turf not invented until two years later, The Man covered it up and replaced it with real turf?
>>28852510 The funny thing is, I have met some racist motherfuckers, and even they dont believe ray did it. They of course think whoever did should get a medal, but ya I don't know if I have met anyone who gave the topic any thought who think Ray did it or at least that he wasn't part of conspiracy.
>>28849987 He was two hundred and fifty feet away and shooting at a moving target. Oswald got off three rounds with an old Italian bolt action rifle in only six seconds and scored two hits, including a head shot! Do any of you people know where these individuals learned to shoot?
>>28853293 fuck, any decent shooter should be able to hit out to 100 yards with a fucking hipoint even. People actually think a carcano wouldn't have been capable of hitting a target less than 100 yards away?
>>28850024 there are some very weird things about it all
>hey i'm gonna use some random old WOP rifle to assassinate the president >neat it worked, guess i'll go check out a movie at the theatre >what, the cops found me >oh shit now i got shot by some guy while in police custody
>>28853232 6.5 was a good idea in theory and not terrible in practice. the problem was when they cut down the barrels and there wasnt enough progressive rifling to fully stabilize the bullet. then you get 3-5 moa accuracy (from what ive read).
>>28853578 you watch too many movies or play too many video games, kid. not everyone is agent 47 using an $8000+ dollar sniper rifle to kill their targets. Booth used a fucking pee shooter to kill Lincoln. Chapman used some saturday night special to kill Lennon. Robert Kennedy was shot by a .22 revolver.
it's not. actually a fairly easy shot. he had a mostly head on angle, very little lead was needed. only reason there are stupid theories is because ballistic science wasn't too good back then. we now know that it was only 2 bullets, only 2 shots, nothing spectacular or unusual about anything that happened that day.... other than a US president rolling around in a fucking convertible.
The car had a jump seat that was lower and more to the centerline of the vehicle. When you trace a line back from where Connally was shot (taking into account his body movement) it is almost a straight line.
Makes me wonder how much Oswald's gun cost... how much exactly if put into auction? Does the FBI still have it? If so, hypothetically then. If I remember correctly, Hitler firearm used to kill himself went up for a few million.
>>28854588 >The rifle and the pistol are now kept in a secure location within the National Archives and Records Administration Building in College Park, Maryland. A replica of the rifle is on display at the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas by the stairs where detectives found the original rifle.
Apparently it was sold to a private bidder, whom the ATF tried to strongarm (good to know some traditions never die) to recover the weapon.
They eventually did, and now it's under lock and key.
>>28854601 >>28854588 Oh, and: >In December 1964, Lee Oswald's widow, Marina, sold whatever right, interest, or title that she had in the rifle and pistol for $5,000; and in March 1965 she sold whatever power of sale she had in them for an additional $5,000. A $35,000 additional payment to Marina Oswald was contingent upon the buyer obtaining possession "free and clear of all adverse claims."
>The buyer, Denver oilman and gun collector John J. King, commenced an action in federal court in May 1965 for the recovery of the weapons from possession of the U.S. government. In response, the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax Division of the Internal Revenue Service began an in rem forfeiture proceeding against the rifle and the pistol.
So, about $45k, 1965 dollars, which is about $340k in today's money.
>>28850408 Oh yea?! My dad worked for Atari developing a shooter game and three months before the Kennedy Assasination, funding pulled from his project and he was fired and then, as suddenly as all that, he owned a little itallian restaurant in NW Chicago that wasnt really busy but made money, had a lot of well dressed men in and out at odd hours, and WE'RE IRISH, Yea, right, Castro.
>>28851373 >Of course the bullet that actually killed Kennedy was from an ND the Secret Service mechanic performing escort duty in the chase car was responsible for when he stood up holding the M-16 and the car lurched.
so just downloaded JFK Reloaded and played it a few times. Every single time I managed to hit Kennedy at least once, and almost every time I managed to kill him. The very last try, I fired three shots, one that missed and hit Connaly in the shoulder, second shot hit Kennedy in the lower neck, exited, then hit Connaly, and a third shot that hit Kennedy in the right side of the brain and killed him.
The second two shots replicated perfectly where Kennedy was shot, as well as being at a similar timing.
Great game just because it shows that it's not some miracle shot.
I have a theoretical degree in physics, and a masters in horoscopology, and I can tell you that the shot was impossible.
First off, the Stars were in an incorrect alignment (something we Horoscopologists like to call a universal gravity phase shift), so the bullet wouldn't have enough ballistical trajectory to even make it to Kennedy.
Second off, we still haven't ruled out the Jolly Green Giant. I shouldn't need to explain that any further.
Lastly, we all know that Oswald was an CIA double agent, and that he would have had to kill the president outside of the United States, considering the CIA cannot officially operate in the US.
>>28856837 This post is so fabulous, I have no clue where to start.
I guess I'll just say /out/ has some nice folks, but they're not fond of /k/ very much. Probably too much animal killing for the granola munchers. I do have some good personal stories about hunting /out/doors, but now i can't go anymore after doing 2 tours in the sandbox. Pretty sad story really
>>28856837 So my second tour was mostly policing, so we had to be shot at before shooting back. Sometimes you had to break the rules of engagement, because if you wait for them to shoot, you're already fucked.
>>28856561 yeah one time I shot JFK, the bullet went through him and hit the driver in the elbow, and the car ended up careening into the side of the tunnel underpass and jackie kennedy flew out of the vehicle and all the occupants died.
>>28856921 >>28856939 >>28856837 I started to mess up more at the shop, and my supervisor was telling me that I was close to getting cut. I didn't care. The next day I didn't show up, and ended up on a week long bender. This was the final straw for the wife. She found a good lawyer while I was gone and by the time I washed up at my parents house, she found me and gave me the divorce papers. She also told me that her father had fired me.
>>28856921 >>28856921 >>28856939 >>28856970 >>28856921 >>28856977 So I guess after the divorce, I still had custody of this kid every other weekend. Doesn't even make sense, I can't afford the child support, and it ain't even mine. Whatever. So eventually I start to take this kid on hunting trips, at least this kid would have one good parent. They go over pretty well, and I'm starting to grow on this kid. At this point, I had quite a bit of debt from the divorce and most of my paychecks went to child support. Of course the kid relays my less-than-ideal conditions at home, and his mother gets a court order saying he cannot stay at my place on the weekends, basically garunteeing full custody to her.
>>28856977 >>28857033 >>28856955 >>28856855 So I get to go on one last hunting trip with this kid. This is the one that ruined everything for me. It was a season that he was finally big enough to handle a rifle large enough to bag a deer. He was so excited. So I set him up in a blind about 500m from my tree stand, still within sight but covering different spots.
Things go fine the first couple of days, no deer, but on the third day, he finally sees one. I don't notice this, I just hear 4 rapid shots and some unintelligible yelling. This snaps me into a trance and I immediately fire a few shots into that direction. And right after that, I was horrified, because I knew what I had done. So I sprint over to his stand, and I find only one shot had hit him, but it went right through his left lung, possibly grazing his heart, idk. He has no idea it was me, but he had this mixed look of proudness and sadness in his eyes, and he tells me, "just tell mom one thing", sobbing, I reply "yes son". "Tell her to check these dubs"
>>28851746 The goal was simple. Shoot Kennedy. And so when a rifle bullet penetrates, it's guided by the usual funky world of ballistics. Oswald was unstable, but not unstable enough to plot 2 hits with one shot.
>>28857419 >But just to be sure, I got in touch with a friend of mine who works at a research reactor, and asked him what he thought would happen to you if you tried to swim in their radiation containment pool. >“In our reactor?” He thought about it for a moment. “You’d die pretty quickly, before reaching the water, from gunshot wounds.”
>>28857526 Ruby claimed until his dying day that he was angry at Oswald and thought he would be a hero. Imagine if, in the days after 9/11, OBL was paraded through a crowd of people, smirking, and some of them were armed.
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