What the fuck is even the point of owning an AK anymore?
Any non trash-tier AK is going to cost upwards of $700, and for that price you may as well just build yourself a really nice AR.
It costs the same as an AR, the ammo costs the same as an AR's, it performs marginally the same as an AR. AR's, AR ammo, and AR magazines are also loads more common than their AK counterparts. You may as well just get an AR.
All the appeal's been taken away; it used to be a cheap everyman's gun that was fucking everywhere, and now it is not so.
There's just no point to it anymore.
>All the appeal's been taken away
Because your argument is partly false while the other half is just your opinions and do not reflect that of others.
Some people simply like AKs more than AR's I fail to understand why after years of this bullshit some of you still can't get this through your heads.
The AR is not the only decent gun out there, it is not the only thing people like, and it is not the only thing people enjoy shooting.
Ak ammo is still cheaper than 5.56 .
some people perfer the ak's looks.
Barrier penatration is better with 7.62x39.
ARs do not fall apart like the meme goes with a bit of sand but the ak is still tougher over all.
I grew up with ak's and shoot them better/more accurately.
>the ammo costs the same as an AR's
but thats wrong. I can pay $9 for a box of 40 x39, 223 runs me $14/50 at its cheapest. If i was reloading 223 it would be closer to x39 but just buying stuff off the shelves x39 is cheaper
>Any non trash-tier AK is going to cost upwards of $700, and for that price you may as well just build yourself a really nice AR.
At a comparable price point, its up to the end user which they prefer. I like my M70AB and I like my AR, though because ammo is cheaper I absolutely shoot my AK more
> it used to be a cheap everyman's gun that was fucking everywhere
Because there was hardly any interest in them, and rightfully so. Cheap AK quality was pretty bad. A couple years ago your cheap AKs were WASRs and IO Incs, the IO Incs were horrendous rifles and while not great theyre better than they used to be. WASRs are now better quality overall and with a flood of Yugos and Saiga conversions a decent AK is not going to cost you the full price of an Arsenal.
If you want a great AK for cheap go get a Saiga and do a basic conversion to it, ~800 total if not less. The shop I work at had a couple Saigas that were converted with that new swaggy magpul furniture, at $900 those things FLEW off the wall. They sat at ~$625 for the better part of a year when they were unconverted.
Yeah, for .223 but for 5.56 or full powered round if you go on say gun bot, its .21 or .22 cents a round x39 and .27 for 5.56 . .223 was the same price ill give you that but would you rather have a 123 grain round or a 55/62 grain round for the same price. Personally i think x39 is a much better round to stop some one with few hits than .223.
The point is some people take it up the ass from Putin.
Indeed you missed the boat, thanks to obama and bulgarian jews good ones will never be cheap again. Still, they're worth the upwards of 700. Good AKs were always on the level of ARs, just most gunfags bought into the AR craze and missed their chance at getting theirs.
Me? Oh I'm just sitting here with 3 glorious saigas that cost me $315 a piece. Enjoy paying hundreds more for a serbshit hunk of garbage.
The least you could do is know what the fuck I'm talking about.
Speaking of, how hard is it to load subsonic 7.62x39 if one had access to a lathe to make bullet molds and reloading dies? Also how heavy would the bullets have to be and how many grains of powder?
All hypothetical of course
>not owning both
But seriously, AKs are fun. As much as I love my AR, and even though my AR is nicer, more accurate, and higher quality... There's something about the enjoyment I get out of my AK that my AR just doesn't give me.
Because I can never get an AR the way I like it. And when I start totally costs of a build, I could have just bought a top of the line AK. I'll eventually do an AR build, but it'll either be an M16A1 or/and A4. But honestly, after seeing the Radom msbs, I think that's the only modular "streamline? high speed low drag" gun that I'd operate with.
But in all seriousness, I just like the AK. It's everything that I want in one gun. This and the FAL because real fuckin' nato.
I've been increasingly favoring the AR has time has gone past. My midlength completely outperforms my AK in just about every way. That said, I'll always have a place for my AKs.
This is kind of the problem I've been having. I really like aks, but it's the same or more for a century then a cheap to mid grade AR, I already have like 30 AR mags and it take optics more readily. I have nothing against aks, like I said, I really like them, but they have to at least try to be economical, considering that's what they were built to be
Not very hard. Do you already have a press?
Load data is freely available online.
Anything over 200grs could reliably be made subsonic.
Using 230gr 300AAC moulds would be best.
>how many grains of powder?
Depends what powder... and what weight bullet.
You can use ~8gr of a fast pistol powder like Bullseye or Unique
FWIW I use 10gr of Unique behind a 155gr bullet in x54R and its barely supersonic.
You probably wont be able to cycle the action reliably.
I definitely favor my AR. I've spent a decent amount of building it and upgrading it. It's not even the same as it was in that picture.
There's just a certain enjoyment I get out of the AK for no real good reason.
I have both
I prefer my AK due to a fetish for wood handguards and reliability, but both are fine rifles.
seriously if you don't have both or at least accept that both rifles have their virtues, I don't understand what you're doing (besides shitposting).
It still says they're in stock on the page I didn't refresh
They were for a few days, I was going to order one because that's a hell of a deal, but I called and it has been discontinued.
Oh well, they still have the regular receiver for $25 and a good finished barrel is only ~$100 most places
All you really need to build an ar is some know how and a torque wrench.
You need an 8-10 ton shop press to push ak barrels into the front trunnions and a drill press to install a barrel pin.
Though I wonder if you could just use a hammer.
To be fair, some people use a gunsmith to assemble an AR too.
AKs are pretty simple though, basically you connect the trunnion to the receiver by any available means.
Nothing else is terribly important.
No, its nice to have a press and drill press, but it can EASILY be pressed in and headspaced with a brass punch/heavy hammer and hand drill.
Using a HSS 135* bit on a rounded surface is a recipe for disaster no matter which way you hold the bit.
Its best to use an endmill to create a flat spot, then center drill it, then run the drill bit and reamer.
Well then, looks like I won't need to buy that shop press
buy a cheap 308 bolt action. make an smg out of pipe. volume vs AK and accuracy vs AR
This. Honestly what killed the AK for me was that steel cased 7.62x39 is 25 cents a round, while brass cased 5.56x45mm is only around 33 cents a round if you look hard enough. Assuming you collect and sell/reload the brass, the 5.56's cost comes out on top.
By contrast, 7.62x39mm brass ammo costs as much as (if not more than) .308 Winchester.
>The high case taper
Thats not a function of the rifle.
>a gas system that when compared to the AR is overgassed as fuck
Thats because its a vented piston design?
The AR efficiently uses the gas to push the carrier opposite the gas rings before venting, the AK blows a huge amount at the piston while it moves 1/2" before venting all of it to the atmosphere.
Momentum of the carrier does the rest.
The only fluted chamber I know of that is *not* part of the design is the chambers in **SOME** SVT40s.
The other H&K/CETME guns use fluting as part of their blowback mechanism... and all use NATO brass cases.
>Thats not a function of the rifle.
>7.62x39 in general
It also sort of is in the design of the rifle when it was designed around the cartridge made to function well with steel cases.
>Thats because its a vented piston design?
it's a design choice that enables to extract steel cases from a dirty chamber with greater reliability.
fucking 4chan eating my pics
Im fond of both. That being said, I feel that an AR "requires" aftermarket items to be appealing where as the AK is sexy as is. Looks aside, they both have pros and cons. A person should get the rifle that best suits their needs.
>any non-trash-tier AK
>upwards of $700
In which case it's actually about $150 more expensive than a cheap-but-reliable barebones AR.
Furthermore the CHEAPEST AK, which is pure shit, is still about $100 more expensive than the cheapest AR (which is also pure shit, but someone's gotta make poorfag guns).
Because I like AKs more.
They fit me better, they're more fun in my opinion, and I got one as a kit about a week after mikhail Kalashnikov died.
I also happen to have 7.62x39 in my area cheaper than 5.56x45.
That and I intend to get something in 5.56 that's not an AR.
Also, I agree. Fuck Reagan for that.
Literally LMFAO when someone says about the AR vs AK debate
>"B,But if you get sand in it"
Literally where in the fuck do you live? There are like 4 or 5 states max out of 50 that have sand in them, in the United States. And if by chance you ever had to actually defend your country, or fight for them, and found yourself in a "sand" environment, you would be using an AR without question, by virtue of you being an American, and not a Russian.
I never will understand why anyone ever even brings up the "BUT SAND" argument. Literally the United states is like 80% deciduous forest, with some grass land plain, swamp, mountain and desert making up the small portion of the rest.
its literally not even a factor. Its like arguing about how good your subaru is in the snow, when you live in australia.
Glorious polish gun laws allow getting guns from 1885 that are cap&ball and other muzzle loaders without any restrictions. Getting anything reasonable is very hard.
So the question is, are cap&ball revolvers valid for conceal carry where there is no alternative?
>happens to have AR and AK
>pic also has SKS in the pic beside AR and AK
Somehow I don't see why you aren't able to realize he might have only had a pic with those two AND the SKS in it.
>The AR is not the only decent gun out there, it is not the only thing people like, and it is not the only thing people enjoy shooting.
Why don't more people understand this. AK's are cool and fun. More guns = more funs.
>post ending in my year of birth.
I'm the guy who posted the three rifles. That guy you're responding to is a faggot. You know he wear a fedora and believes in using a Katana like the weeaboo faggot that he is.
Actually, I can get them for about $200. So for the price of a nugget, I can get a much superior American made weapon that is semi automatic and takes mags. Fuck nuggets and AKs. And I can get brass cases and reload for 7 cents a round.
>but thats wrong. I can pay $9 for a box of 40 x39, 223 runs me $14/50 at its cheapest. If i was reloading 223 it would be closer to x39 but just buying stuff off the shelves x39 is cheaper
You are wrong.
.223 WPA is .22 cents a round, 7.62x39 WPA is .23 cents per round.
>not cleaning your rifle
>not buying commercial if you are too much of a fag to clean your rifle
>j-just buy an AR!
>they are just as durable!
"range" doesn't always mean indoor range, anon. I'm from goddamn Colorado where we have public land out the ass to the point where you can drive 30 minutes and be inna mountains and shoot to your heart's content.
Now, I'm not saying you technically *have* to, if it's a good gun it can stand not being cleaned for a while, but it's just good practice to clean it after every trip. It'll make the gun ultimately last longer, and it's just a good habit to form anyways.
A snake down the bore and a wipe down of the BCG/receiver causes no wear. Excessive cleaning is patching a gun with Montana Copper Killer until the patches stay clean, every time you shoot it.
If you aren't removing the copper fouling, you can't damage the barrel short of scratching it, and a pass with a snake to take out the carbon, dissolve any corrosive residues, and put a storage film of oil on your barrel isn't going to scratch it.