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What the fuck is even the point of owning an AK anymore?

Any non trash-tier AK is going to cost upwards of $700, and for that price you may as well just build yourself a really nice AR.

It costs the same as an AR, the ammo costs the same as an AR's, it performs marginally the same as an AR. AR's, AR ammo, and AR magazines are also loads more common than their AK counterparts. You may as well just get an AR.

All the appeal's been taken away; it used to be a cheap everyman's gun that was fucking everywhere, and now it is not so.

There's just no point to it anymore.

Thanks Reagan.
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>>28724792
Because some men were destined to do great things and others were destined to be slavboos.
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>>28724792
Because some people really like AKs
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>>28724792
Because I like the AK's aesthetics over the AR's.
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>>28724792
buy an SKS
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>>28724826
Lol this.

I also never plan on engaging a target beyond 300 meters.

I just have a problem with .223 in general. I dont trust it, thats my hang up.
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>>28724792
>All the appeal's been taken away
Because your argument is partly false while the other half is just your opinions and do not reflect that of others.

Some people simply like AKs more than AR's I fail to understand why after years of this bullshit some of you still can't get this through your heads.

The AR is not the only decent gun out there, it is not the only thing people like, and it is not the only thing people enjoy shooting.
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>>28724792
Ak ammo is still cheaper than 5.56 .
some people perfer the ak's looks.
Barrier penatration is better with 7.62x39.
ARs do not fall apart like the meme goes with a bit of sand but the ak is still tougher over all.
I grew up with ak's and shoot them better/more accurately.
Reasons
Stuff
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>>28724792
>the ammo costs the same as an AR's
but thats wrong. I can pay $9 for a box of 40 x39, 223 runs me $14/50 at its cheapest. If i was reloading 223 it would be closer to x39 but just buying stuff off the shelves x39 is cheaper

>Any non trash-tier AK is going to cost upwards of $700, and for that price you may as well just build yourself a really nice AR.
At a comparable price point, its up to the end user which they prefer. I like my M70AB and I like my AR, though because ammo is cheaper I absolutely shoot my AK more

> it used to be a cheap everyman's gun that was fucking everywhere
Because there was hardly any interest in them, and rightfully so. Cheap AK quality was pretty bad. A couple years ago your cheap AKs were WASRs and IO Incs, the IO Incs were horrendous rifles and while not great theyre better than they used to be. WASRs are now better quality overall and with a flood of Yugos and Saiga conversions a decent AK is not going to cost you the full price of an Arsenal.

If you want a great AK for cheap go get a Saiga and do a basic conversion to it, ~800 total if not less. The shop I work at had a couple Saigas that were converted with that new swaggy magpul furniture, at $900 those things FLEW off the wall. They sat at ~$625 for the better part of a year when they were unconverted.
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>he didn't buy his ak's when they were cheap

don't mind me, just enjoying my $800 sgl31 :^)
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>>28724904
Yeah, for .223 but for 5.56 or full powered round if you go on say gun bot, its .21 or .22 cents a round x39 and .27 for 5.56 . .223 was the same price ill give you that but would you rather have a 123 grain round or a 55/62 grain round for the same price. Personally i think x39 is a much better round to stop some one with few hits than .223.
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>>28724792
The point is some people take it up the ass from Putin.
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>>28725028
Oh look, it's the 9mm vs 45 argument again!
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>>28725064
Same guy, 9mm all the way.
Totaly different argument
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>$700
>Really nice AR

Being this poor lol
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>>28724792
>Tripfags will be most likely to defend the AR15 in the coming argument
Calling it now.
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>>28724792
Indeed you missed the boat, thanks to obama and bulgarian jews good ones will never be cheap again. Still, they're worth the upwards of 700. Good AKs were always on the level of ARs, just most gunfags bought into the AR craze and missed their chance at getting theirs.

Me? Oh I'm just sitting here with 3 glorious saigas that cost me $315 a piece. Enjoy paying hundreds more for a serbshit hunk of garbage.
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>>28724792
>it performs marginally the same as an AR

The least you could do is proofread your bait.
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I'm a rough lover
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>>28726318

the least you could do is know what the fuck you're talking about.
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>>28724792
>Bulgarian parts kit: $275
>Receiver/Barrel combo: $60
>Rivets: $fucking nothing
>Shop press/gunsmith to assemble it: ~$150
They can be had for cheap, you just need to put the work in
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Tfw i live in a shithole country where a black market AKM costs $60- $80

Even less if its been used to knock over a cash transit van, and you dont mind cleaning AIDS blood off the stock
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>>28726895
I do.

The least you could do is know what the fuck I'm talking about.
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>>28726944
Speaking of, how hard is it to load subsonic 7.62x39 if one had access to a lathe to make bullet molds and reloading dies? Also how heavy would the bullets have to be and how many grains of powder?

All hypothetical of course
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>>28724792
>what's the point in owning and AK? They're so expensive to buy!
And what if you own one since before they got expensive?
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>>28726944
I will pay you to demilled one and send me the parts kit here in burgerland
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5.56 AK - best of two worlds.
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>>28724792
>not owning both

But seriously, AKs are fun. As much as I love my AR, and even though my AR is nicer, more accurate, and higher quality... There's something about the enjoyment I get out of my AK that my AR just doesn't give me.
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Because I can never get an AR the way I like it. And when I start totally costs of a build, I could have just bought a top of the line AK. I'll eventually do an AR build, but it'll either be an M16A1 or/and A4. But honestly, after seeing the Radom msbs, I think that's the only modular "streamline? high speed low drag" gun that I'd operate with.

But in all seriousness, I just like the AK. It's everything that I want in one gun. This and the FAL because real fuckin' nato.
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>>28727766
Obligatory
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>>28727480
I've been increasingly favoring the AR has time has gone past. My midlength completely outperforms my AK in just about every way. That said, I'll always have a place for my AKs.
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>>28727446
Completely opposite of true.
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>>28724792
Because an AR won't cycle rounds after being drowned in semen.
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This is kind of the problem I've been having. I really like aks, but it's the same or more for a century then a cheap to mid grade AR, I already have like 30 AR mags and it take optics more readily. I have nothing against aks, like I said, I really like them, but they have to at least try to be economical, considering that's what they were built to be
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>>28726922
>>Receiver/Barrel combo: $60
Haha wut
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>>28727826
I don't know if that's true, but I hesitate to Google it
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>>28728238
Yeah I call bullshit
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>>28726986
Not very hard. Do you already have a press?
Load data is freely available online.
Anything over 200grs could reliably be made subsonic.
Using 230gr 300AAC moulds would be best.

>how many grains of powder?
Depends what powder... and what weight bullet.
You can use ~8gr of a fast pistol powder like Bullseye or Unique

FWIW I use 10gr of Unique behind a 155gr bullet in x54R and its barely supersonic.

You probably wont be able to cycle the action reliably.
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>>28727810
I definitely favor my AR. I've spent a decent amount of building it and upgrading it. It's not even the same as it was in that picture.

There's just a certain enjoyment I get out of the AK for no real good reason.
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>why get X when you can have Y?
Why not get both, poorfag?
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I have both
I prefer my AK due to a fetish for wood handguards and reliability, but both are fine rifles.

seriously if you don't have both or at least accept that both rifles have their virtues, I don't understand what you're doing (besides shitposting).
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>>28725084
>I don't understand ballistics
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>>28728238
>>28728312
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/pk0013.aspx
Well, they WERE in stock as of yesterday. I'm gonna ask when they'll be back
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>>28729198
It still says they're in stock on the page I didn't refresh
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>>28729198
>>28729244
Well I'll be damned.
I wonder how many minutes they WERE in stock though.
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Both are fine their purposes but +1 pro AK. The one and only reason to go AK is reliability, not cost, not looks, not ballistic faggotry.
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>>28729276
They were for a few days, I was going to order one because that's a hell of a deal, but I called and it has been discontinued.
>MFW
Oh well, they still have the regular receiver for $25 and a good finished barrel is only ~$100 most places
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>have a crappy Clinton ban AK that I got for free, realistically worth $300
>prices go up, trading it for an AR
Why not ride the other side of the curve?
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>>28728333
Is that a reloaded copper-washed steel case? Did you do a berdan-to-boxer conversion?
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So wait...

AR's are basically erector sets that a child could assemble with no special tooling.

But AK kits require a gunsmith to assemble?
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>>28729351
Yes.
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>>28729351
All you really need to build an ar is some know how and a torque wrench.
You need an 8-10 ton shop press to push ak barrels into the front trunnions and a drill press to install a barrel pin.
Though I wonder if you could just use a hammer.
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>>28729351
Yep. AK barrel requires a hydraulic press, receiver requires rivets. AR barrel requires a vice and a hand wrench, no rivets anywhere.
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>>28729350
Yes.
Yes.

>>28729351
To be fair, some people use a gunsmith to assemble an AR too.
AKs are pretty simple though, basically you connect the trunnion to the receiver by any available means.
Nothing else is terribly important.
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>>28729395
>>28729399
>Needs
>Requires
No, its nice to have a press and drill press, but it can EASILY be pressed in and headspaced with a brass punch/heavy hammer and hand drill.
Using a HSS 135* bit on a rounded surface is a recipe for disaster no matter which way you hold the bit.
Its best to use an endmill to create a flat spot, then center drill it, then run the drill bit and reamer.
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>>28729431
Well then, looks like I won't need to buy that shop press
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>>28729471
VAfag - VA for Vet Affairs?
Or Virginia?
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>>28729491
Virginia
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>>28729471
you should have a press anyways, it's a handy tool.
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>>28729497
...where in Virginia.
Also I feel like I've asked that to you before.
I'm pretty well equipped in nova.
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>>28724792
buy a cheap 308 bolt action. make an smg out of pipe. volume vs AK and accuracy vs AR
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>>28729502
I would, but I'm in a college house with 5 other guys and no garage. I might clear up some room tho
>>28729511
Southwest Va ATM, but I lived in NoVA
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>>28724792
This. Honestly what killed the AK for me was that steel cased 7.62x39 is 25 cents a round, while brass cased 5.56x45mm is only around 33 cents a round if you look hard enough. Assuming you collect and sell/reload the brass, the 5.56's cost comes out on top.

By contrast, 7.62x39mm brass ammo costs as much as (if not more than) .308 Winchester.
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>>28729733
>7.62x39mm brass ammo
Jesus, for what purpose
the AK and 7.62x39 in general was made specifically to function well with steel cases
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>>28729785
>made specifically to function well with steel cases
And what makes a rifle function specifically well with steel cases?
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>>28729824
The high case taper, as well as a gas system that when compared to the AR is overgassed as fuck
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>>28729847
>The high case taper
Thats not a function of the rifle.
>a gas system that when compared to the AR is overgassed as fuck
Thats because its a vented piston design?
The AR efficiently uses the gas to push the carrier opposite the gas rings before venting, the AK blows a huge amount at the piston while it moves 1/2" before venting all of it to the atmosphere.
Momentum of the carrier does the rest.
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>>28729824
Or excessive fluting in some battle rifle chambers. Not ak related, but still
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>>28729911
The only fluted chamber I know of that is *not* part of the design is the chambers in **SOME** SVT40s.

The other H&K/CETME guns use fluting as part of their blowback mechanism... and all use NATO brass cases.
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>>28729785
>the AK and 7.62x39 in general was made specifically to function well with steel cases
Anything which takes 7.62 NATO is supposed to as well, STANAG 2310 specifies a steel case.
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>>28729905
>Thats not a function of the rifle.
>7.62x39 in general
It also sort of is in the design of the rifle when it was designed around the cartridge made to function well with steel cases.

>Thats because its a vented piston design?
it's a design choice that enables to extract steel cases from a dirty chamber with greater reliability.
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>>28729942
He's just being a cock, don't worry about it.
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>>28724792
Some people just like AKs vetter than ARs lol
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>>28729937
fucking 4chan eating my pics
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>>28724811
Those things are not mutually exclusive. Slavboos are superior forms of life in every way, shape and form to low test AR-loving beta males. DYEL?
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Im fond of both. That being said, I feel that an AR "requires" aftermarket items to be appealing where as the AK is sexy as is. Looks aside, they both have pros and cons. A person should get the rifle that best suits their needs.
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>>28724792
>any non-trash-tier AK
>upwards of $700
Try $800+.

In which case it's actually about $150 more expensive than a cheap-but-reliable barebones AR.

Furthermore the CHEAPEST AK, which is pure shit, is still about $100 more expensive than the cheapest AR (which is also pure shit, but someone's gotta make poorfag guns).
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>>28730006
>Imblying I don't own and love slav shit
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>>28730085
>CHEAPEST AK, which is pure shit, is still about $100 more expensive than the cheapest AR
You can get ARs for $300
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>>28730141
$300 for a shitty design
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Sure got bullshit in here. :^
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>>28728847
>both
Exactly. Op is poor fag.
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>>28727480

Buy them all is always the best option. This nigga gets it.
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>>28730277
is this an nfa weapon?
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>>28730370
Shitty guns are shitty, faggot.
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>>28724792
I can't hold an AR over my head at the range and scream "ALOHA SNACKBAR!"
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>>28730508

RO here.

If you did that at my range with ANY gun I'd kick your autistic ass right out.
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>>28724792
Because I like AKs more.
They fit me better, they're more fun in my opinion, and I got one as a kit about a week after mikhail Kalashnikov died.
I also happen to have 7.62x39 in my area cheaper than 5.56x45.

That and I intend to get something in 5.56 that's not an AR.

Also, I agree. Fuck Reagan for that.
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>>28730370
>both
>posts three guns
>all shit.

Faggot.
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>>28724792
Literally LMFAO when someone says about the AR vs AK debate

>"B,But if you get sand in it"

Literally where in the fuck do you live? There are like 4 or 5 states max out of 50 that have sand in them, in the United States. And if by chance you ever had to actually defend your country, or fight for them, and found yourself in a "sand" environment, you would be using an AR without question, by virtue of you being an American, and not a Russian.

I never will understand why anyone ever even brings up the "BUT SAND" argument. Literally the United states is like 80% deciduous forest, with some grass land plain, swamp, mountain and desert making up the small portion of the rest.

its literally not even a factor. Its like arguing about how good your subaru is in the snow, when you live in australia.
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>>28730525
>going to a range
>current year
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Glorious polish gun laws allow getting guns from 1885 that are cap&ball and other muzzle loaders without any restrictions. Getting anything reasonable is very hard.

So the question is, are cap&ball revolvers valid for conceal carry where there is no alternative?
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>>28730562
>happens to have AR and AK
>pic also has SKS in the pic beside AR and AK
Somehow I don't see why you aren't able to realize he might have only had a pic with those two AND the SKS in it.
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>>28730594
Yeah but they're all shitty guns.
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>>28724792
>what's the point
Because I like things and I can afford things.
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>>28730584
Get a Remington model 1858 and carry two spare cylinders. You now have 6 single action shots and 12 with reloads almost as fast as a semi auto
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>>28730603
Well sports fan, let's see your collection.
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>>28724878
>The AR is not the only decent gun out there, it is not the only thing people like, and it is not the only thing people enjoy shooting.


Why don't more people understand this. AK's are cool and fun. More guns = more funs.
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>current year
>not owning both AK and AR


are you poor?
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>>28730603
>they're all shitty guns
They're the fucking bread and butter of the firearms world.

Let me guess, you're one of those dumbasses who likes katanas?
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>>28730323
You sure like your fore-dongers.
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>>28731986
>post ending in my year of birth.
I'm the guy who posted the three rifles. That guy you're responding to is a faggot. You know he wear a fedora and believes in using a Katana like the weeaboo faggot that he is.
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>>28730141
Actually, I can get them for about $200. So for the price of a nugget, I can get a much superior American made weapon that is semi automatic and takes mags. Fuck nuggets and AKs. And I can get brass cases and reload for 7 cents a round.
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>>28724904
>but thats wrong. I can pay $9 for a box of 40 x39, 223 runs me $14/50 at its cheapest. If i was reloading 223 it would be closer to x39 but just buying stuff off the shelves x39 is cheaper
You are wrong.

.223 WPA is .22 cents a round, 7.62x39 WPA is .23 cents per round.
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>>28728847
Because I don't like ARs and would rather have 50k 5.45 than 25k 5.56
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>>28730570
>haha all those millions of people in the SW and FL
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>>28733047
>50,000 corrosion agents
Nah.
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>>28733106
>not cleaning your rifle
>not buying commercial if you are too much of a fag to clean your rifle


>j-just buy an AR!
>they are just as durable!
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>>28733135
>having to clean your rifle literally every time you shoot it or it will rot from the inside out
Senpai. Nah.
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>>28733146
Again

28733135
>not buying commercial if you are too much of a fag to clean your rifle
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>>28733146

If you're aren't cleaning your gun after every range trip, you're doing it wrong.

This is basic maintenance 1-0-fucking-1, man.
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>>28733181
>every range trip
City slicker detected.
Also if your gun needs cleaned every 100-300 rounds, you're doing it wrong.
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>>28733181
>range
lmao how bout off muh poarch
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>>28733198
>>28733235


"range" doesn't always mean indoor range, anon. I'm from goddamn Colorado where we have public land out the ass to the point where you can drive 30 minutes and be inna mountains and shoot to your heart's content.

Now, I'm not saying you technically *have* to, if it's a good gun it can stand not being cleaned for a while, but it's just good practice to clean it after every trip. It'll make the gun ultimately last longer, and it's just a good habit to form anyways.
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>>28733247
>It'll make the gun ultimately last longer
Only in moderation. Overcleaning shortens firearm lifespan.
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>>28733258
Yea rubbing your guns down with babywipes and a boresnake is going to do more wear than the firearm functioning.
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>>28733278
All depends on how you do it.
Who said anything about more wear? It's additional wear.
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>>28728333
hey, were you at the last winter nuggetfest?
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>>28733304
A snake down the bore and a wipe down of the BCG/receiver causes no wear. Excessive cleaning is patching a gun with Montana Copper Killer until the patches stay clean, every time you shoot it.

If you aren't removing the copper fouling, you can't damage the barrel short of scratching it, and a pass with a snake to take out the carbon, dissolve any corrosive residues, and put a storage film of oil on your barrel isn't going to scratch it.
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>>28733464
>All depends on how you do it.
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>>28724792

>700
Lol nope, try 300€.
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>>28731822
Like he has guns. The kids commenting bout how awful AK's are no gunz faggots.
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