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How do I dismantle his argument in one go?
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>>28723065
Copy & Paste the supreme courts ruling on the 2A and move on.
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Post a photo of you fucking his gf
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>>28723065
The breakfast thing
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>>28723065
Just tell her that smarter people than her have debated this subject, and have concluded that her stance is wrong.
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OP here, I knew this kid in highschool and he was really cool back then, college turned him into a fggy libtard tho.
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>>28723090
Breakfast thing??
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>>28723094

I'm gonna throw in with this guy
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This.
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2A/the bill of rights are not a set of privileges bestowed upon the citizenry by a benevolent government, they are our innate rights as human beings, 2A being to protect our nation, and to protect ourselves from the nation becoming tyrannical against it's people. The military/militia argument is at best half the argument.

>2A:musket::1A:printing press getofffacebook.png
>breakfast analogy
>government is evil/only government should have guns
>etc.
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>>28723065

Something something Girandoni air rifle and private cannons
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>>28723065
His definition of a militia is moot due to the Supreme Court ruling that the American militia automatically included every able-bodied man from (if memory serves) ages 18-65. The people whose actual job it is to study and interpret the Constitution have already come to their own conclusions on this, so his random, uncited dictionary definition doesn't mean jack.

We've had automatic weapons since long before that point, and given how many of the people involved with the drafting of the Constitution were either senior military officers or directly associated with them, it'd be silly to pretend they didn't know that. Hell, Lewis and Clark's Army-supplied expedition had an automatic rifle in 1804, and it wasn't brand new at the time.
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>>28723094
basically this, yeah.
she's a fucking moron. arguing with a fucking moron is pointless, because they'll never understand how stupid they are.

she was trying to come up with some points, but basically just barely scraped the tip of the iceberg on points other gungrabber try to argue without really understanding what she was saying.
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>>28723256
>The military/militia argument is at best half the argument.
you mean the part where she incorrectly defines what a militia is, then says that we don't need a militia anyway? that's the best half?
the minutemen were a militia. the minutement were private citizens that had literally nothing at all to do with the government. the fact that people don't understand that is fucking stupid.
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>>28723205
That infographic would have been better if they added that the meaning of "well regulated" was different back then from what most people assume it means now.
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>>28723065
>muh muzzleloader
I'm like 99% sure that breach loaded naval cannons existed during that time. Could the founding fathers not have envisioned that guns would somehow get more advanced. Also the point that we considered a 15 (?) shot muzzleloader for the army not long after the war.
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Just tell him to do some actual research on his stance if he so passionately wants to debate it and come back with something that isn't based on feelings, generic recycled lib media talking points, or how he 'thinks' it should work, because that's all he has currently.
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>>28723266
anon, I think you're confusing automatic with multi shot. The first automatic rifle wasn't made until around 1900.
the first multi shot gun was the puckle gun, made in... 1718?
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>>28723065

Not to mention that the fact that America stumbled its way into becoming a superpower 60 years ago does not nullify a constitutional amendment. Even the 3rd Amendment would spring to action should the circumstances ever arise.
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OP here, posted the Breakfast analogy as well as the "you are wrong" pic, waiting for libtard reply. laying in wait with the supreme court ruling.
Any more nails for this fuckers coffin???
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>>28723065
2008 Supreme Court Ruling, District of Columbia v. Heller, confirms right to bear arms is a generally applicable right and not dependent on membership in a militia. As a supreme court ruling about the Constitution, it can only be overturned by another ruling or by a constitutional amendment.
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>>28723065
"the first amendment was never intended for the internet, yet here you abuse it."
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>>28723359
>"libtard"
>"Any more nails for this fuckers coffin???"

You're being that guy. Don't be that guy.
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>>28723065
All you gotta say is every able bodied citizen 18+ has the right to bear arms so that they can defend their country like true patriots from anything.
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>>28723065
Tell the dumb nigger it can't even read.

then tell him his reading comprehension is abominable. When he replies with a 'snowman' comment. tell him he can go suck on your 'Frosty' balls.
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Dude it's a woman.

unless you're going to be her boyfriend and introduce her to guns, she will be a retarded liberal.

That's the default.
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>>28723437
just a dude with long hair.
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>>28723437
I'm guessing Lee A_____ is the guy in the picture. Also the fact that op said his kind of supports that further.
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>>28723437

>Lee
>Woman
wat
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Hold on...

>Australia

Who the hell started letting these dicks think their opinion on anything matters?
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>>28723065
>australian posting something stupid
it's just sour grapes. his squirt gun got confiscated and he's angry now that we can legally buy fun things.
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>>28723460
Hes a US citizen, he got some kind of internship or some shit there.
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>>28723065
Tell them about the girandoni automatic rifle available in 1776.
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>>28723500
okay, again, it wasn't automatic. People like you are why democrats still think you can walk into a gun shop and buy an automatic weapon.
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>>28723065
By not even bothering since he's a fucking Australian. It's funny how all these foreigners use our country as a topic of conversation when their country might show up a few times in an American's life as "maybe a nice place to visit for a vacation."
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...I just don't understand these people's way of thinking.
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>>28723664
To be fair, you posted that passive-agressive green image instead of just stating the facts. Thus, she's reacting defensively instead of thinking about what you said.

Just post the supreme court shit, no commentary. It's a done deal, can't be overturned without an amendment. Then when she argues you can just laugh.
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>>28723664
so basically he just completely ignored the entire argument, called you racist, and said we don't need a militia anyway?
what a fucking moron.
>hurr da gubbermint is so powerful why would the people need any power?
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Again.
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>>28723664

Just answer "yes, everyone" and leave it at that. He just went full retard.
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>>28723664
>the 14th amendment is racist
I don't even
just give this dipshit a history book
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>>28723189
>well balanced breakfast
>no vegetables

triggered. muh microagressionz
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>>28723716
Well tell him now that he knows better, so he, for one, will stop looking like a complete idiot when he posts on the internet.
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>>28723757
>He eats vegetables
The fat on my chin reduces recoil.
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Post this
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>>28723065
These arguments are so stupid and retarded, the only answer would be to state that Australians have a bizarre obsession with American internal policies, and it would be best if they fucked off and died.

Or maybe just make it real short-- Why are Australians so obsessed with our guns and our freedom?
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>>28723664
Should have gone with the smarter people argument.

Just stop talking to him. You can't change peoples minds with talk.
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>>28723262
Something, something Puckle gun.
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>>28723716
Does she not understand how her native language works?
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>>28723664
>>28723716

>using memes as arguments on facebook

You screwed up. Even if the messages are spot on, just uploading them instead of paraphrasing in your own words makes you sound like you can't think for yourself and you're just regurgitating whatever you found on the internet.
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>>28723664
>>28723716
This is exactly what I needed to get just before bed.
MAD
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>>28723855
Prepare to get madder
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>>28723330
The Giardoni Air Rifle was a 20 shot breach loader with a rate of fire comparable to a lever or bolt action rifle.
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>>28723716

Tell he/she/it that if he/she/it doesn't like the laws in the USA, he/she/it can buy a plane ticket and get the fuck out. There are plenty of countries that don't allow guns. If she wants to be elevated above "American idiots," she can go join the snaggle-toothed cucks in Britain and Australia
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>>28723065

>this was invented 50 years before thw 2nd amendment was written.
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>>28723065
>tards still use this argument years after the Supreme Court ruled that the 2nd Amendment extends to individuals for lawful purposes
Why
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>>28723845
Ballz deep in my own argument right now, just not gonna go through the trouble of blacking out aall the personal information.
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>>28723914
So why wasn't this used during conflicts like the American Revolution? Or was it? Honest question.
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The internet is not covered by the first amendment because the founding fathers could have never predicted anything like the internet. The first amendment pertains to news papers and books, not counting war time. This person should have no problem with the government censoring anything she says that it could find problematic. Tell her that and watch her stumble around
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>>28723922
Same reason the religiotards whined when the Supreme Court legalized gay marriage.
1. Cause they don't like it.
2. Cause they don't actually know how the Supreme Court works.

Supreme court rulings are law. Literally. What they say goes, until another law supersedes their ruling. In the case of the 2nd amendment ruling, that can only be done by another amendment.
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>>28723955
It wasn't that popular and few people invested in it.
Fun fact: there were two bullets designed, one for Christians and one for Muslims. The Muslim-removing bullet was square, which was believed to cause more damage and would "convince the Turks of the benefits of Christian civilization."
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>>28723349
Hell, it gets better than 1900
he Kjellman LMG was a machine gun produced in Sweden. It is notable in being one of the first fully automatic weapons ever conceived (if not produced) and one of the first light machine guns as well.

Although the patent dated back to 1870, and prototypes may have existed at least a half a decade before the Maxim was invented, black powder ammunition made the weapon virtually unusable due to rapid residue build up.

Someone in 1870 went "hey, these gun things would be a lot better if they reloaded themselves".
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>>28723065
>is it needed
No
>is it well regulated
No
Tough shit, lassie! SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
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>>28723955

It basically does what six musketmen could already do, while also lacking mobility.

Plus, flintlocks tend not not work well with revolvers. They only really came into vogue with the invention of the percussion cap because it was more reliable and safer (particularly from chain fires).
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>>28724017
That would lead to awesome shitposting though.
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>>28724017

It's better to sarcastically say "our founding fathers never envisioned the internet, so why should the 1st amendment apply to it, too?"

Bonus points if you include Islamic radicalization and recruitment though the internet. That's certainly an unwarranted liberty in the interests of national security!
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>>28724063
Doth his mere apperance remind you as it were a wench?... Marcellus Wallus?...
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>>28724149
I SAID DOES HE LOOK LIKE A BITCH
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>>28723065
I skimmed the thread, so I may have missed it being covered but "well regulated" means "competent and able to work as a group" as opposed to an "irregular militia" which would be people picking up granddad's blunderbus and charging in like a tard.

The framers wanted people of fighting age to be ready and able to repel foreign or domestic threats but did not want an actual standing army. This is fairly similar to the Swiss system of mandatory gun ownership and training. Actually, the most in-the-spirit of the 2A thing the government currently does is run the CMP.
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>>28724192

The issue there is that people claim the National Guard IS the "regulated militia," and any others are unregulated terrorists. They are wrong on both counts.

Plus, it's possible the amendment was worded to differentiate a militia that defends the "the security of a free state" versus mobs such as from the Whiskey or Shay's rebellions. Those are also funny examples in that they were put down by the state and private militias.
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>>28724192
CMP isn't run by the government.
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At the end of the day - it really doesn't matter what she believes.

There are over 80,000,000 gun owners and over 300,000,000 guns and her opinion, vote, or any other aspect of her life won't do a god-damned thing.

You don't need to convince her of anything.

She doesn't have a choice.
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MUH MUSKETS!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapeshot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribauldequin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_cannon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_Air_Rifle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belton_flintlock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cookson_repeater
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volley_gun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nock_gun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superposed_load
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breech-loading_weapon

Most notably, the Lewis and Clark expedition was a success attributed almost solely on their possession of a Girandoni. It scared the piss out of the local Injuns, who assumed every man had one and as a result didn't scalpfuck them to death.
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>>28723065
Post links to Cornell University of Law militia definition.
Educate him on the proper use of the comma in English.
Privateer Navy had frigates with arrays of cannons which are much more destructive than an AR.
ALSO, why did none of the framers of the constitution straighten the misunderstanding out while they were alive?
Why has every SCOTUS disagreed with his personal interpretation of the 2nd?

Also, why is he an uneducated faggot.
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>>28723870
Sources?
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Break into his house, tie up his family and ask, "what do you think of the 2nd amendment now?"
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