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http://patria.fi/en/media/news/patria-amv-vehicle-selected-united-arab-emirates

"The General Headquarters of the United Arab Emirates’ Armed Forces has ordered Patria AMV 8x8 armoured wheeled vehicles. All details of the contract are classified.

“This is a magnificent extension for the ongoing, successful co-operation between the UAE Armed Forces and Patria. UAE Armed Forces have been very satisfied with their existing AMV vehicles as they meet all the customer’s needs and are suitable for the needed, challenging circumstances. These vehicles will be produced by our Polish partner in a very tight time schedule. The agreement done now is very significant for Patria, and we are excited about this and looking forward to providing the vehicles”, says Mika Kari, President of Patria Land business unit."


United Arab Emirates buying AMVs is good news for Patria sure. It is just sad that Lockheed went full Chinese and fucked Patria to ass, by stopping cooperating on Havoc.
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interesting if they go with Bakhcha-U turret
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What is the rationale behind the Arabs ordering everything under the sun? Seems like it would create logistics, training issues, etc.
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>>28715995
More money than brains
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>>28715995
They're like kids, just show how cool your tech is and they gonna buy it.
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>>28715995
they realize the oil money is gunna run out eventually so might aswell just turn it all into military assets for the eventual panarab/persian deathmatch war battle thing.
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>>28716402
2035 Sassanid death match pls
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>>28716402
I'm moist with anticipation
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>>28716402
considering current oil prices this might happen sooner than we think
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>>28715526
Hope they realize that patira has got cardboard for armor without additional armor plating.... and get some rpg nets
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>>28715526

These guys could have tech that would put ours to shame and they'd still get rolled over by the National Guard. Their soldiers are shit.
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>>28719258
>abominable snow afghan standing all up in the piss runoff
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>>28719258

Poles went for lighter than basic armor level to ensure that it can be airlifted with C-130. Then uparmored it once they deployed it.
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>>28715995
Oooh shiny!
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>>28715526
>Sauds buying Canuck LAV III's
>UAE buying Patria's
we'll see which one is better. Given that both states militaries are god awful at using their equipment, we'll see how good the protection is for both considering how much fire these things are gonna take
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>>28719258
Quality shitpost. 30mm protection is standard, much more than the lel 7.62 on strykshits
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>>28720033
>30mm protection is standard

Speaking of shitposting, that is only with add on armor, with its base armor it is no more protected than a Stryker with base armor.
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>>28723191
>Stop shitposting!
>It's as protected as a Stryker if you attack it first with a spanner and remove its armor
There is no "add on" armour for it per se as it always comes with some customer specified modular setup. But if you do know of a customer that has really ordered it with as weak side protection as Stryker please do tell, looking at the SSAB's catalog the same level of protection could be archived with just 5mm thick Armox plates.
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>>28724720
>comparing one vehicle with its add on armor attached to another vehicle without its add on armor
>not shitposting
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>>28725104
No one is going to drive AMV without its modular armor into combat as that is the armor it has, the older style Stryker however comes with either base hull armor or that+bolted on extra plate. Completely different concepts mate. I do agree that comparing them is bit pointless as Stryker is decades older tech and far more fairer comparison would be to compare it to the older Patria Pasi.
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>>28723191
South Africa bought the most lightly armored Patria and it still armored against 30mm on the front.
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>>28725423
Your picture shows that is add on armor, not the base armor.
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>>28725237
>Stryker is decades older tech

Still shitposting I see.
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>>28715995
[Warning, Anon pulling stuff his ass below.]
Basically, the starting point of this whole buying spree was the Iranian revolution. Iran had some of the most advanced weapons in the world at the time. Things like the F-14, the Chieftain and M-60 tanks. Some of the stuff that went to Iran arrived earlier than the weapons were issued to the forces of the countries that had designed and built them. This escalated to a point were the British Challenger 1 tank with Chobham armor (Top Secret shit, even today.) was going to be sold to the Iranians. Then the revolution rolled through.

Anyways, decades later the rest of the middle east watched as Iran ran out of spare parts because their weapons were western but their allegiances were not.

So the third world countries (In the sense that they are not allied with NATO or USSR and not some poor hellhole.) that have money invest in both western and eastern weapons, and everything in between. Western weapons because they have more advanced capabilities (Speaking very generally here.) and eastern weapons because they are extremely common in the region. This way if one side decides to cut all support, they still have one lifeline left.
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>>28715995
Like you wouldn't do the exact same thing if you found yourself sitting on a few trillion barrels of oil. I know I would, fuck being sensible, I wan't all dem toys
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>>28725492
Thats a prototype, you can tell by the 4 comms masts.

The side armor was dropped in favour of better floor protection.
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It makes me physically sick to see wheeled combat vehicles
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>>28716402
>pan-arab/persian death march war thing.
Yeah, it's gonna be electrified swamps all over again.
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>>28715526
Why do you think AMV is some godlike platform? Do you have firsthand experience?
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>>28723191
i so want a civilian version of that. does anyone make RVs out of surplus wheeled APCs?

picture unrelated.
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>>28726752
>Do you have firsthand experience?
If my suspicions are correct, it's actually likely he does.
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Put a 120mm on it.
Put 120mm on everything
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>>28726760
I asked him because the devil is usually in the details. Maintainability and failure rates. Stuff that you can't read from the specs.
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>>28715624
the Russian are going to ship some of their new 57mm turret to UAE this summer for testing
according to the contract, they will make 50 long version of the Patria, similar to the 5 vehicle with BMP-3 turret the UAE received in the 2008

so maybe they will have the new remote control BMP-3 turret or this 57mm gun turret, but only 50 of them the rest will be equited with .50 MG or 25mm gun
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>>28726824
why? 120mm gun is too heavy and unrealistic
BMP-3 turret is more than enough, or else a 105mm L7
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>>28715995
Arabs isn't a country.
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>>28725675
Post source, pls. For reasons.
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>>28715995
>What is the rationale
Rich arabs been arabs.
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40 AMVs
To be built in Poland.

http://yle.fi/uutiset/patrialta_taas_suuri_kauppa_persianlahdelle__arabiemiraatteihin_myytiin_40_panssariajoneuvoa/8634836
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>>28726824
They already tried that with 105mm.
>never ever
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>>28719258
>Poland orders the nigger-model intentionally
>complains that it doesn't have enough armor

Slavs, not even once.
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>>28726918
It depends on what you want the vehicle for.
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>>28729053
if you want a 120mm tank gun, buy a tank
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>>28728737
the Slavs love amphibious vehicle for some reason
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>>28729084
Do you actually have a reason beyond autustic sperging?
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>>28729104
Lotta rivers in slav land.
But I think it might compromise their armor too much
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>>28729104
Because all that snow from Winter melts in Spring and Slavcountry turns into swamplands.
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>>28729144
120mm tank gun is too large for a 8x8 to be practical
a 8x8 120mm gun carrier would have ginomous ground pressure, and they cann't carry enough ammo to fire
thing like the Spurt SD could work, it have hydropneumatic suspension and can be airdrop, but it have zero armor
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>>28729400
a 120 mm mortar would fit
Make some HEAT rounds for fire tank on armored vehicles
ez pz

I don't think anyone in the west is interested in dedicated anti-tank vehicles
Might as well just buy tanks
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>>28729400
What is the practical weight?
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>>28729485
30 tons
more and you have a land whale
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>>28729400
So your issue is nothing to do with the size of gun, but autism about having big guns on 8x8 vehicles.
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>>28729520
An 8x8 that had a 120mm gun and weighed 30 tons would be that heavy due to armor, not the gun.
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>>28729595
and they can only carry like 8-10 rounds of main gun ammo
i would not fight taliban with that
>>28729540
is 152mm big enough for you?
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Has science gone too far?
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>>28729640
>and they can only carry like 8-10 rounds of main gun ammo
Doesn't that mean turret stowage?
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>>28729659
http://www.cmigroupe.com/en/news-view/502/eurosatory%3A-cmi-defence-and-bae-systems-hagglunds-present-the-cv90105
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>>28729685
yes, and with the turret basket occupied the hull, i don't don't think you can fit more than 3 round into the hull
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>>28729878
>talking out of my ass

>>28729640
We are not talking about artillery, but yes a 152/155mm gun could work for fire support as demonstrated in Syria and Ukraine.
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>>28730129
>talking out of my ass
sure, name anything 8x8 120mm gun carrier than can carry more than 12 round of main gun ammo
protip you cann't because there aren't any
only 120mm mortar can work
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>>28729400
It is modular vehicle. It have heavy weapon version also, which won't work as IFV. Instead all that room is used for ammo.
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>>28730184
yeah and why would you need 120mm gun when you can put twin 120mm amos mortar there that is capable direct fire. It has also anti-tank rounds...
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>>28730533
that why 8x8 with 120mm tank is may sound cool but unrealistic
NEMO armed with STRIX or Nona with HEAT round can take on any MBT
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>>28730184
>protip you cann't because there aren't any

Sure I can, the one you are talking about that holds 12 rounds carries them all in the turret bustle, and it has no basket intruding into the hull.
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>>28730607
>big gun means tank

I see you are still trying to pound the square peg into the round hole.
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>>28729659
No, it hasnt gone far enough
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