Would you reccomend it? I'm 22, not a retard, and have an associates degree and a very low level state government job making 10 dollars an hour. I think I'd want to do 4 years then go back to school.
It's a good place to be. It's pretty lax and an easy living for the most part. Navy would be a close #2.
I did my four years, saved up 40 grand. That opened some doors that were otherwise shut without a 4 year degree. Now I'm doing what I love and own my own business.
They're not as nice as BDUs. I'm an aircraft mechanic and these show dirt and hydraulic fluid stains much more. BDUs actually camouflaged to shit.
BDUs were comfortable more than these
That's too bad. I really did like my BDUs and how they looked.
I was in intel, so I wasn't dealing with fluids and greasing things so it didn't really matter in that regard.
The comfort thing would bug the crap out of me though.
Lol whatever you say bro
The guy you replied to is a fucking civilian dipshit stop being a edgy sperglord
Really? I got out in Oct 2008.
I guess they must have pushed back the deadline to wear them.
It was a mismatch of BDUs and whatever they called the new ones for about year before I got out. By the end, just about everyone had the new ones. I would have too if I wasn't getting out.
Yeah, it got pushed back due to manufacturing issues. It's nice never having to iron or shine anything.
Now I'm just waiting for OCPs to get approved for wear stateside. ABUs are ugly as sin.
>be home station
>sit on bench and smoke cigarettes
>mop floor in hallway
>take sexual assault training slide show
>be USAF maintenance
>work in blizzard for 13 hours a day
> 5 days a week
>lose every holiday and every weekend
>get called in on every weekend
>do this for 20 years
Atleast you fucks can get to home station and relax. We just get worked 365 for 20 years or untill we hang ourselves in our dorm
Anyways op to answer your question it can be good or bad depending on how you make it. Don't go in as anything that has the word open in the tittle. You'll come in already with some rank just for that associates degree.
I'm a c17 crew chief so I can answer some maintenance questions
My Base is actually really low on manning for my job, and nobody is reenlisting. All the leadership is getting old.
I wonder if I can swindle some sort of fat bonus out of them. I got $20k for signing up the first time, and they're in a worse place now.
what about me.
>tried to be a sheriff but got cut at their crystal ball test
>still want to work in law enforcement, but on a federal level
>friends told me to join a branch as an MP
>also considering joining and learning a trade I can use after im out
Of all the E5s in my AFSC, 4 said they're reenlisting. They sent guys to the 4 bases we're at to do personal interviews and try to figure out why everybody is jumping ship.
They've been really good at completely ignoring our complaints so far.
Just join the USAF as some lame nonner job, go to school the whole time and join the PD.
I went through the hiring process for the Pennsylvania state police and got disqualified because I said I smoked pot when I was 15.
They look at military service as all the same. You don't need to be an MP. And most MPs hate their life since they just check Ids at the gate all day
>They've been really good at completely ignoring our complaints so far.
Sounds about right.
As a 1N4 there is a lot of high paying jobs on the outside which is why everyone is jumping ship. Why stay in when you can make $80k+ starting?
Zoomie Intel weinie here. The wrench-turners like to pretend they're better than people who don't work on the flightline. Don't know why. I'll be the first to admit that I'm a super-POG, and I've actually been in combat.
Are you fucking kidding dude
1. everybody not an 11b, 11c, or 03xx series is a POG, because there are a person other than grunt
2. POG is a descriptor, not an insult. Only retarded boots and civilians think it is an insult.
You faggots sit in an office all day and complain about the air conditioning and how you didn't get to do anything fun on your Arbor Day vacation you got off. Or when the base is shut down for a blizzard and you complain about how difficult it is driving to work in the snow, when there's a maintainer standing in the blizzard doing a tire change. Or towing an aircraft , or removing a cowl door or refueling the mission bird soaked from a rain storm or cooking outside in the humid ass summer heat for 12 hours. You fuckers have no struggle but complain all fucking day.
Whenever you are breathing, there is a maintainer somewhere working, always.
Special missions aviation is cool. For non USAF dudes curious, special missions aviation is the guys who operate the guns on the side of black hawks who drop off the PJs and CCT guys into warzones. If you wanna see action in the USAF, this will do it. U can't go spec mission aviation (2A9) from the recruiter though, it's only SRA and up
So many Non flying mother fuckers.
Crewing in the army is honestly Hard Work. You will have no such thing as a set scheduled. I'm assuming the Air force treats their people substantially better.
i got in A1C but put on SrA in the pipeline. Very rare coming from basic and youll basically be restricted to the guy who loads the guns in gunships/ NGAvs. imagine the guys in tanks that dont shoot the guns. but in a plane
Air force living is really good, anyone saying otherwise is jsut at a bad base/shop. maintainence sucks but theres alot of commradeire for sure.
Real talk. Yes we get more funding and "treated better"
But the people in the airforce who actually work have a horrible work life. I'm not fucking saying it's the same as getting shot at in the army, I'm just saying it's not worth fucking $37,000 a year
Yes, extremely. PJ indoc is basically the hardest in the armed forces, you are doing THE most physically difficult program in the armed forces while simultaneously doing SOCM. CCT and SOWT are easier but still have steep washout rates of like 60-70%, I think TACP is just over 50%. SERE is like 75% washout I think and it's not even special ops, it's a regular enlisted job.
What is it that makes it good?
one of my buddies is here in school because he blew out an eardrum doing watercon to be a CCT. He said it was fortunate he loved being in the water because everyone but him was having a bad fucking time.
Getting "shot at" was the best part.
Load masters are responsible for loading cargo on aircraft and they fly with the aircraft and download the cargo wherever it's going. Flying with the aircraft let's you see many many countries
If you want to know what being a nonner in the AF is like, think of an office.
An office where the bosses are a little insane and abusive because they haven't gotten laid even once in their life, and they're approaching wizardom, and you can't leave.
Office hell you can't leave.
Fly high, so you can pee dirty and get the fuck out.
>Haven't deviated from the path to and from work besides gathering alcohol to drown sorrows
>Tsgt walks in
>GOD DAMNIT AIRMEN, YOU ARE DEPRESSING THE PISS OUT OF ME
>sit up straight and fake smile
>it's a joke but it hurts deeply still because he pulls shit like that constantly
>this is what I get for taking a staircase to the knee in BMT
>"so anon, tell us about your AF Job".
>Well I worked with..
>shit wait, that's classified
>Our unit coordinated with REDACTED to perform..
>shit that's TS
>I worked with computers
>"um, can you tell us something more specific?"
OP, it will be a great experience if you avoid maintenance career fields and security forces. I loved it. 8 years, I miss the environment all the time.
Oh yeah, you will do a bunch of bull shit and get treated like a child the entire time. You'll paint trash cans, do janitor work, and fill sand bags. If you get into maintenance, just try to make the best of it.
In summation, YOLO - DO IT. Being a vet with the GI bill is awesome.
It's not worth 4 years of your life.
Take it from me. You're going to hate it.
You will, anon. Just don't do it.
If you want to serve and get a GI bill, go Air National Guard, not army guard though, you'll end up in afghanistan in the shittest of shit for the longest deployments in the industry.
> also >>28708438 is probably a total asexual virgin who has nothing on the outside, or he's a recruiter, or he's been ordered to use social media to recruit people.
>active guys hate me
>making $60k civilian side
>working on degree
Guard bum here who just signed my enlistment bonus on monday. Graduated tech school last week. MFW I am getting paid 10k next month, another 10k in a year, as well as during a school year, 4750 a year, 750 a month, and 12 free credits. Also as a contractor I can make 120k a year with no bachelors even though I am halfway through mine.
When I got my DD-214 I just walked off the base and walked down the highway to the base.
Fuck lackland, fuck medical records, fuck Health Services, fuck your hurt knee fuck everything. Fuck San Antonio and it's one tourist trap.
I thought I was going to see the world, I went to the god damned "gateway of the airforce" and stayed there for 4 god damn years in a tiny office.
Those poor poor med hold kids also. One poor guy was there for 8 months and the Air Force forced him to overdose on pain meds for like 6 months because bureaucracy, and caused liver cirrhosis, turns out the damage caused cancerous cysts upon healing.
The air force literally gave him cancer, simply because he broke his foot.
"What were you doing in San angelo?"
It's a real feel.
>to the base
God damn it.
To the fucking ghetto ass airport. It took me like 4 hours but I didn't give a fuck I am free now. I'm going to take in the ghetto and love every minute.
I also got reaaally drunk at the little mexican shithole restaurant at San Antonio airport.
It was glorious.
Still finishing my bachelors so I haven't gotten a real job yet.It's a super adaptable skill though. Tons of research, writing, power point making, and presentations. Sharpens your communication skills as well, so if you know how to sell it most good employers will be interested.
Fall 2012, another Airman wore a Batman costume everywhere doing the voice.
Halloween at midnight chow a TSgt MTL was walking by his table:
>Airman shoots up and slaps his hands to his sides
>MA'AM, AIRMAN BRUC- I MEAN BATMAN REPORTS AS ORDERED
>TSgt loses her shit
Depends on airframe. Some fighters are stationed overseas, c-5s and c17s fly from state side locations to theater in back in about four day missions. Fighter jets deploy as a squadron, generally like six months states side in someplace like Luke or Davis Mothan then go to a base over seas for deployment. Tankers deploy to the deed. (Al udeid)
Yeah if your gonna be in the chair force part of the airforce do something with like qualifications in the civilian world, like medical and learn to give X-rays or operate sonogram machines
There's different shops within the career field, but the most prominent one would probably be Conventional Maintenance (shop I'm currently in). You'll build and maintain munitions to support the flight line and it's needs. Along with everyone else on base who needs munitions such us cops and EOD.
What you build and how much you work depends on what aircraft the base you're stationed at flies.
>maintain/store/account for all munitions on base
If you have questions about it feel free to ask.
Former B1 maintainer. Go enlisted air crew, travel for 4 years, have fun, get out and go to school if you still want to. Don't wait till your in, hate your job, and want to cross train. Just go for the gold now
Same guy, when I went through prior service guys were put on the osprey and hh60. I don't think that you can be put on a gunship. You fill out a dream sheet for aircraft preference and base but its really the needs of the air force. There's NSAv too which pays well because of all the per diem you get.
I just hit my two year mark on the 14th of this month, and I have been in pipeline status the entire time, and I have a year left to go before I can go to my operational squadron. I am a 1A8x1 so you can't ask me everything ;)
Same 1a9 guy that's been responding to anons. If you want work in aircraft and do cool shit, go 1a9. For tech school you'll go to lackland for about 2 months of 3 level school, then SERE after that, and then whatever base you get trained on your airframe. Gunships go to either hurlburt or cannon, but the pipeline for cannon was backed up when I went through so all of the non priors went to hurlburt. Ospreys go to Kirkland for airframe training I believe and hh60s go to either ft rucker or moody, I don't remember. They moved the TACP school house to lackland as well, I don't know how their training is aside from being physically demanding obviously. My old man was a TACP and he really enjoyed it, he was deployed quite a bit, but you'll be deployed a lot as a 1a9 as well. 1a9 is still a developing career field and I'm sure some other niches will find their way in like NSAv did. I don't know what the training is like for NSAv, but you get a shit load of per diem and you can get out and work for L3 and make a lot of money. The 1a9 instructors are good too. Sgt Bossy is the coolest kid I know
Went to sere with a guy in tacp. He was in the battlfield airmen element, and he had only been in a year and was finished with school, so if you want "easy" special operations tech training, tacp is the way to go.
Lmao, have you ever stopped in Lakewood?
I can't tell if it's because Lakewood is a military town or if it's the minorities, but holy shit that place is a hell hole
Tacoma is nice tho desu
Friendly advice: The Air Force has no morale or Camaraderie. If you are looking for the closest thing however, hang out at the smoke pit at work. Smoke, dip, hell just hang out with everybody there and it'll be the closest to morale you'll come in the Air Force. Just don't vape, fuck those faggots
>mfw C-17s at Dover
I'm so sorry man, your life sucks
I'm this person, enjoying that specialist maintenance life
Depends what you get. Although, it can be fun and the people are cooler, you'll get shafted a lot and blamed for things. You'll be treated like a child by people who know your airframe less than you do
I enjoy looking down on you maintainer plebs from my A/C equipped tower as you do your FOD checks when its 100+ degrees out.
Y'all are there when I show up, and you're there when go home after my 6 hour shift because I get late ins/early outs because I'm a 5 level and getting a 5 level on ATC isn't just passing a fucking test.
There is a reason we don't get our badges until you complete OJT. Shits tough. Most people washout and get to explain to their friends why they aren't in the air force anymore.
Oh and the FAA has a manning crisis so half of the people at my work already have jobs lined up for the second they get out. 6 figure job as a 24 year old with 0 college? Sign me the fuck up senpai
ACU is ugly as shit.... good thing I'm not trying to make a fashion statement.
>what ACU's look like when they go to the field
>end up stealing it
That fucking laundry room will be the death of me bro
Guard guy here:
McChord and Eglin were cool, with great areas around them. (grew up there)
Lackland fucking sucked (summer BMT)
Goodfellow was alright I guess.
McConnell was nice. I could hear the airfield from my room in TLF; I fucking love hearing aircraft engines.
Langley has fancy toys but right outside the gate looks like a ghetto
I might be getting a TDY to Rammstein in a few months, I've heard good things about it.
how is the airframe decided?
do 1A9's actually operate the guns in gunships?
I know theyre basically door gunners in the rotary wings.
Also any more info about NSAv? i heard thats all kinda secret squirrel