CZfags on suicide watch
>MuLtIpLe SoRcEs AnD TeStS.
Idiots on suicide watch.
I had that happen to me on exercises in mud and dust.
Got shit on by a bunch of czechaboos here: "that was a crap gun abused by conscripts", "you're lying", "hurr anecdotal evidence" etc.
>striker fired semiauto rifle
>a good idea
I bet a lot of czfags are going to have heart attacks today, this is hilarious he couldn't even shoot it once, b-b-but atleast you can still reload it with clips!
>a gun where the top half of the gun flies back and forth
> did badly in mud
was it malfunctioning from dirt in the striker channels?
I've been thinking about adding a thin strip of soft kevlar weave to the front inside edge of the dust cover for a better seal to keep the dirt out in muddy and dusty environments, think it could work if it didn't interfere w the action?
No, it always ended up shortstroking from the friction between the carrier and the receiver when the dirt got into the guide rails.
I honestly have no idea whether that would work. But it's no secret that the guns aren't very popular in Iraq or A-stan where we've supplied them to the government forces.
yeah the sand really fucked them up there
good thing I don't live in a desert though, I can't see anything that would effect the rifle in the rockie mountains. Did you ever have problems firing it in the winter? (aside from possibly too much lubrication)
And OP's test was using a century gun, which I can say from experience already has a gritty sandpaper action without any help from mud. The real vz58s have an action that's smooth as butter.
Still, the vz2008s work fine as a shooter's rifle and I thought it was accurate as my cz vz58. It just lacks the polish.
No, I always used lube that was rated for sub zero temps.
And yes, the 58 is a perfectly adequate weapon as long as you don't get into too much shit with it (on the exercises they deliberately let us crawl through all sorts of shit, in reality this sort of thing rarely happens and it's even rarer to need to shoot your gun right after that without being able to inspect/unfuck it).
But the truth is, under conditions like these, the AK will outperform it on account of the overstroke/BC mass as well as better seal, and the AR on account of the vastly superior seal alone.
that is fair, thanks for the tips. Always better to hear servicemens opinion on their service rifles.
Do you have any particular maintenance tips or cleaning tips for the rifle? Anything the experienced Czech soldiers did with theirs that new guys didn't know to do?
As well who were issued the folding stocks? I'm assuming just veh crews right
No "special" tips there (except that the gas block can be cleaned using the striker plugged into the upper handguard for leverage), I found out servicemen everywhere usually end up doing the same things regardless of the rifle they are issued: q-tips, pipe cleaners, kitchen towels off a roll (the good nonwoven fabric stuff that doesn't leave threads behind), shoelaces for the piston. The lazier guys just shove the piston in sand or gravel and stir for a couple minutes.
>As well who were issued the folding stocks? I'm assuming just veh crews right
Who? Everyone except most people in basic and some of the really shit ass units.
The fixed stock ended up being something of a curiosity, as pretty much every unit was using folders by the time the rifles started being phased out in favor of the 805.
Kill yourself you sharia supporting mohammedan scumbag.
Seriously. Go out bsck and fucking end it. Allah is a false god, mohammed was a rapist pedophile, and all those who follow the two are an even lower breed of subhuman than the jews.
thanks for the info and your time man, I really appreciate it
here, have a gwg pic for your troubles
Yup. Mad that scum fucks like you sre allowed to exist.
You think its funny to tripfag for no reason flaunting your religion, then respond with nothing but memes. Face it, you ask for the attention and fuck it, I'll oblige. Just remember every time you think you're clever, or that thisnis just online bullshitting, you backed out of coming to the MN meet after I promised you wouldn't make it out alive.
Just anonymous online shit talking, right?
This is what I meant, by the way.
Clever, I like it. Thanks again friend!
>mad because I have the option to tripfag
>thinks i should respond seriously to ad hominem
What are you 12?
I do support Sharia, did you know Israel implements sharia too?
come at me, i live in iowa
Can't help it, you're pretty much the embodiment of the mlp fag who lost his shit from seeing a blond pony tail freckle cartoon girl on here once in his life, just with Muslims and maybe a bit more butthurt, get over it.
Allah Akbar :^)
He is a beta, just like that other idiot that threatened to shoot up nuggetfest. I couldn't make it to that meet up because of work but I'll make a real attempt to go to the next one. You would have to have some serious mental deficiencies to try to assault/kill someone infant of LEOs which are guaranteed to be there.
literally bathing myself in anons tears
>implying I support israel
You're all subhuman and should incinerated by a blanket of nukes.
>implying I planned in blasting him straight up in view of everyone
Gotta be sneaky. I know those woods, he doesn't
Oh you're gonna drag me in the woods and shoot me? Lol, aren't you the fag I challenged to a boxing match and you totally declined and said you would just shoot me? Why don't you want to fight me with your hands like a man? I'll even bring gloves to the next meet if you like.
Not the one who declined to box you.
I'm the one who was going to pick you off from the trees. Still could, should you decide to try your luck at a meet. I still have the .308 with your name on it
>Got shit on by a bunch of czechaboos here
To be fair, just about all of those were teenage poorfags who made the VZ.2008 their first salt rifle only because PSA was selling them for $399 back in the summer of '14. Still hilarious tho.
>but no one has responded like that in this thread friend
Not specifically this thread but this has been happening ever since the VZ2008 shit. You could see these fags in any thread dealing with AKs or any mention of reliability.
>You could see these fags in any thread dealing with AKs or any mention of reliability.
It was great.
>Hey guys, what AK 2 get?
>LOL AK A SHIT, GET VZ
>SHORT STROKE MUSTARD RACE
>MUH CLIP FEEDING
>FUCK AFTERMARKET, RIFLE IS FINE
>BETTER IN EVURY WAY
>I seriously doubt even a Mauser or Lee-Enfield would function 100% reliably after having mud literally shoveled into the action.
But they're manually cycled. If they don't work then you didn't use enough violence on them.
that's fair, the VZ2008 is kind of shitty compared to the CSA VZs though.
I wish the guy in the mud video would try small things to see how easy it is to get it working again too. I have a feeling a quick wipe of the rails, bolt face and chamber face would have fixed things
We all know guns will fail with shit in them, we should see which take the least work to get going again too
You know, I remember a couple months back everyone was hooting about vz in a thread. I can't count the number of times I saw 'superior rifle' and 'better than ak' came up. Of course, most who were praising it are thinking of the heyday of 2006-08 where you could get the gun, 5 mags, mag pouch, oil can, cleaning kit for 400$, so basically for 400 bucks you got the Vietcong starter kit
It's a good first rifle, tho, light and handy, with nice controls and BHO. Just don't go around saying it's the GOAT be all end all of firearms technology to defend your purchase.
It was my first rifle as well back in 07/08 when I got out of basic. Thoroughly raped the thing during the inevitable "let's make a DMR out of it using budget parts" period. Sold it a week ago, after I got an another one in vanilla. Hope the pollack treats it well.
If I'm not mistaken the Lee Enfield designers actually had folks get soil from all across the British Empire and made sure the gun could function, part of why the SMLE has some occasionally large tolerances.
Probably break the damn bolt handle off or exhaust yourself before it would stop working.
is this you?
I did the same type of optic setup on mine though. 10rd mags and all.
FAB Galil 1, the steel joint version. It's been discontinued for years, but they can still be tracked down for $300-ish.
You don't know the half of it.
This is what it also used to look like at one point.
...I can neither confirm nor deny that.
>That's not true, the parts were made by H&K, and were assembled in Malaysia.
That's what i mean, they were in service in Malaysia.
I mean if you roll the dice you can get an almost complete HK93 for $600
Or you can get shit.
>Where can you find a genuine HK93 for $600?
Buy a C93 and replace the lower with an HK for another couple hundred $.
Literally nothing wrong with poorfags getting their first gun. I think your confusing like one or two people for everyone who owns a VZ. By this metric everything that comes out of /arg/ should indicate the AR being the worst rifle on the planet.
Except I was pretty blatant in indicating that I was talking about the cocksmears who would screech to the heavens about how their $399 bargainbin special was the best firearms to ever grace God's green earth.
my point is that eveyone on /k/ shit posts about everything they own. cz fags are no exception either and if you judge a rifle based on its shitposters your going to have a bad time.
>the VZ2008 is kind of shitty compared to the CSA VZs though
This is what people said about the AK, but it really isn't about quality when the operating system itself is what allows debris into the rifle.
>We all know guns will fail with shit in them, we should see which take the least work to get going again too
Never seen this method for redirecting criticism.
> like 5 active posters on /k/
That's cute. You're cute.
I think you vastly over estimate how few people it takes to direct opinion like that. like 75% of the shitposting on /arg/ is done by like 3 people. same concept with this thread too.
I'm not redirecting criticism, I fully accept that the VZ performed the worst of the three in their test
I just also want to see how hard it is to get the rifle going again. When a stoppage occurs you fix it
>ike 75% of the shitposting on /arg/ is done by like 3 people.
What you mean like goatposters?
>AR a shit
>AK a shit
>CZ best rifle in the wurld!!
Where were you when CZ fags got BTFO?
>FAL would hold up pretty well
I don't think so.
This test was impressively brutal to damn near any gun design. It even gummed up the venerable m1 garand to uselessness. This is also just one test that only the ar-15 has done an excellent job at. On the exact same level, you could test the ar like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjMH94PuT_I and say it's a shit gun to near any design. Food for thought
>It even gummed up the venerable m1 garand to uselessness.
The fuck are you going on about? The M1 locks up pretty soon in dusty/dirty/muddy environments due to the very exposed action, this is old news.
>Low tier bait. You've got to be 18 years old on 4chan squirt.
Then y is u here :)?
Dude, don't be retarded. What it takes for a video to demonstrate that the AR15 is poor relatively is:
A. non-biased, non-HK distributed video
B. a test that does not compare one AR to another
C. something that doesn't look like it was recorded on a camera phone in the 90s
A good reliability test is like this:
P.S. the AR15 kicks ass here too
>It looks like a knock off scar to me
Lies and slander!
(It's actually a carbon copy of the G36 under the SCAR bodykit, only shittier.)
And it ranges from trash to mediocre performance-wise, depending on which run are we talking about here.
For example, the latest runs allow you to actually take apart and reassemble the BCG only with a hammer and a punch, you don't need a center punch or a set of spare retaining pins in case you fugged the original one due to staking it one too many times during reassembly. How innovative is that, huh?
The new mags also doublefeed a lot less and they've stopped issuing the muzzle brakes that kept sending people to the infirmary even with earpro and burning out the (trash) Meopta NV devices at night.
Then there are the new charging handles that don't cut your palm open anymore when clearing all these failures to chamber. Sure, they break off sometimes, but that's an okay tradeoff, isn't it?
(Hint: the 805 is garbage, steer clear.)
Huh. That sounds really really shitty. I'm sorry you all have to put up with such junk.
Was it rushed into production or something, any trials before adoption. I can't believe something that sounds that bad is adopted outside of India. Im pretty sure Czechs produced some quality shit when they were a soviet bloc country.
How many actual manufacturers do you have over there? Is it a situation like HK and Germany where the government buys anything they shit out?
Satanic quads of truth, really. I mean, they're entertaining, it's cool to see guns pushed to their absolute limits and seeing what will and will not work under insane conditions. What's tiresome is people parading them around as though it means anything. Most mallninjas aren't going to be operating their rifle in a situation where it's completely submerged in mud.
It's good to know the limitations of these firearms so you can take care to maintain and prevent malfunctions under adverse conditions. I have a relative who drives a Toyota Tundra, a 4x4 truck. He got it stuck in a pile of snow and had to be dug out. Is this concrete proof that nobody should ever drive a Tundra? No, it's proof you shouldn't do stupid shit with your truck and you won't have issues. Same goes for these mud tests.
>any trials before adoption
Literally none. It was a prototype at the moment it was adopted (and beat the - cheaper - SCAR, which should tell you something about the way things work around here).
>I can't believe something that sounds that bad is adopted outside of India.
Funny thing is, the main reason they made us betatest the guns by having us adopt them fullscale was the Indian service rifle tender, they were hoping it would set them up for life (it was later scrapped after the curry niggers have done their fill of corporate espionage).
>How many actual manufacturers do you have over there?
A lot. But the CZUB has a complete monopoly on any gov't contracts. And when I say complete, I mean "Someone else won the contract? That shit won't fly, let's pull some strings and force the entire agency to disband" levels of complete.
What's funny is that the CZUB lacks the technologies or capacities to manufacture the 805 themselves, meaning they ended up outsourcing >80% of it to companies with no previous experience with firearms.
I shouldn't really be surprised by all the shady shit that's involved with government contracts but I still am.
Any chance of the rifle being not a complete clusterfuck in the future? I can understand a country wanting to use their own design, but I figured they would at least make sure the shit works. No point getting your boys killed because your company can't make a decent autoloader, something that's been near perfected since the 80s
>Any chance of the rifle being not a complete clusterfuck in the future?
They're currently cashing in on the immigration crisis. CZUB got issued a brand new contract with no trials (passed in a week!), meaning the 805's likely going to be replaced with the somewhat unfucked 806 before 2020 (ergo the taxpayers are going to pay for full scale rearmament all over again).
>No point getting your boys killed because your company can't make a decent autoloader
If you think this is fucked, guess what our DMRs got replaced with?
CZ 750 S1 M1. Why? Because that's the closest thing CZUB makes to a DMR. You think there was a tender? Nope, the requirements literally said "CZ 750 with warranty and out of warranty support provided".
Then they got us some overpriced Israeli NV optics for them that have to be zeroed all over again before use, making them absolutely useless for any practical purpose. Also, fucking Leupold 8.5-25x glass, rangefinders and Kestrels, despite the fact we're physically unable to take any 300+ yd shots due to working in a single urban environment all the time, and being strictly prohibited from being deployed anywhere else. Thanks, CZ.
Shit man, I thought the Czechs had their shit together. Who the fuck uses a bolt action as a dmr? I'm pretty sure you aren't a third world country
I know most big gun companies do retarded shit with contracts but thats crazy. I kind of don't want to buy any of their stuff now.
They've had the DoD by the balls for over half a century by now. I don't own any post-1989 CZ guns out of principle, even though I sort of want a Shadow Orange (parts are picked out and fitted in a different company where people actually know what they're doing).
Il probably stop supporting them. I've got no problem boycotting companies. I bought a 75 that's from '86 and I refuse to sell my 452, it was the first rifle I bought with my own money.
Best of luck czech bro. I'm hoping your military unfucks itself. I'd like to visit someday
>implying my vz isn't the real thing, not a vz2008
>implying it isn't the objectively best civilian 762x39 rifle in existence
>implying I don't own enough aks to say this even as an ak enthusiast above all else
>Bothering to fuck around with anything other then an AR or AK for in intermediate cartridge assault rifle
>Year of our lord two-thousand and sixteen
That makes me curious to see the rest. Maybe I'll have some downtime at work, because I've got better stuff to do in my offtime like argue with internet nerds.
I figured that'd be the best you could come up with.
There is literally nothing about a VZ.58 to make it objectively the best 7.62x39 rifle available to civilians, and you should feel bad for even suggesting that. The ergonomics are subpar, the aftermarket is severely lacking, and its performance is almost exactly the same as an AK's.
I don't know if I would call it rigged, they are just unrealistic in their application of mud.
The AR is going to keep mud out of itself better than an AK or a VZ and as such will run more reliably in muddy situations until mud gets inside.
You are never going to be sitting in the woods and have some autistic man with a shovel and wheelbarrow pour mud in your AK and there are other tests where people throw it in the mud and it runs fine.
I think the VZ would have similar issues by just throwing it in some mud.
The AR excels at keeping things out of it's action, but once things get in you have issues and things do eventually get in.
The AK is not as good at keeping things out but can handle more in it's action
The VZ has nothing keeping things out of it's action and would probably perform well with obstructions that it can throw out of it's action
and this, if you are vigilant and make sure your dust cover is always closed you lessen the chance of shit getting inside an AR even more.
They're a fucking joke
>Here's my 1000 dollar custom built greased to all hell AR, let's throw a bit of mud on it while the dust cover is closed, shooting premium federal in magpuls
>WOW, IMAGINE THAT? IT WORKED!
>Let's be fair though and open it up, put a bit of mud on there
>AR master race, it works
>well it's a "Bulgarian" read actually Romanian WASR they "found" according to them
>Were using milsurp mags, steel case tula out of a WASR build which is no doubt shit and out of spec
>let's but the safety and pour me in there
>5 round later
>YEP DOESN'T WORK AR MASTER RACE NO NEED TO TEST ANY FURTHER
I pretty much have no respect for either of them after pulling this shit, this coming from an AR fag
>I have no doubts a piston gun would fail,
I was going to use this video but they keep the dust cover closed when they bury it in mud
You do have to admit the AR has the advantage of the sealed system, I am an AK fanboy and accept that if a bearded squeaker ever sneaks up on me with some mud in a wheelbarrow I may be done for.
The Russians even realized this issue albeit a small issue and addressed it on the AK12
>Assured of the superiority of muh glorious Czech master race rifle
>Ian from Forgotten Weapons and that other guy no one cares about show up on camera to show me a mud test with an Ak-47
>It fails miserably
>Of course it did, it wasn't glorious Czechnology
>They do a test with the AR-15
>But certainly the VZ-58 could do even better
>Now they're doing a test with the VZ
>Everything I have ever known collapses as the rifle fails after the first shot
>It does worse than the AK
>Rush to the safe and pull out muh VZ
>Shove the barrel into my mouth, I cannot live knowing this
>Pull the trigger
>The rifle doesn't fire
>Try to rack the bolt but it won't budget
>Slam it against the ground and finally open it
>Bolt is full of mud
>As I lay there crying I see Ian and Carl appear at my window smiling
I really want them to go back to doing sand/dust tests because I think the AK might do better at that maybe the VZ too idunno
Pic related is for all the asshurt slavaboos
You better watch out with those opinions kiddo before I start an argument on an anonymous image board with you
hey I bet the vz52 wont go click
the ammo is unobtainium
so all it can do is click
they should at least pull the bolt back and pour that shit in, even better, do it with an entry level AR like a S&W M&P-15
All the asshurt was worth it for these laughs
>iraqvet8888 does meltdown videos
>AR runs 900 rounds of full auto before failure
>AK runs less than 200
>being the buttmad AK fag he is, gets another AK and does it again
>second AK costs twice as much as the AR he used
>BARELY runs more ammo than the AR
>declares the AK superior
you slaviboos would be hilarious if you weren't incredibly pathetic
You do realize not only is the 7.62x39 a hotter cartridge but the AK heats up faster than ARs right? I would say if the AR ran, say, 1300+ rounds it would be as comparable as you say it is, but dude 5.56 isn't comparable to 7.62x39, 900 5.56 rounds isn't the same as 900 7.62 rounds.
>let's open up the action and pack it with mud and dirt
>let's keep the action closed because dust cover is magic and just smear mud all around the outside
ha, AR wins, AK and VZ fags blown the fuck out
>now let's blow big chunks of mud and rocks into M1A's open action as it fires, because if you can't rely on your firearm as the mountain is collapsing on top of you, then you might as well throw that piece of shit out
>conveniently ignoring the fact a shitty gypsy rifle assembled by century was not up to par
And the Russian gun raped it, and I'm sure if the test had been 5.45 v 5.56 the VEPR would have easily beat 1k
>the custom AK
Yea that refinished VEPR with an AR style stock really affected the barrel melting rate.
And that "custom" AK shooting the much hotter caliber beat the bog standard AR
Why do these testers always have to use shit?
Grab an Arsenal 5.45 and 7.62 and what a BCM? and let them stack up
>hurr we are gonna use this shitty AR build and this Wasr, this is a good test.
If this test accomplished anything it was Blowing WASRfags out
>But they're manually cycled.
The Vz in OP's vid was too, basically.
The Lee Enfield is actually a pretty dainty design in some ways.
The clearance between the rear receiver bridge and the bolt for instance is microscopic, and there's this iddy biddy little ridge in the right side of the receiver that rides in an iddy biddy groove in the bolt head.
Get some dirt in there and the whole thing's going to grind to a halt.
There are always going to be downsides and upsides to every design.
The Vz for instance has a massive open-top receiver design, which helps tremendously with stovepipe stoppages and the like, but does let in more dirt when the bolt opens up.
If you get something like pic related in an AK or an AR, chances are you're going to have to disassemble the gun to some extent.
While that's never going to phase a Vz58.
On the other hand, that open top may cause a Vz58 to malfunction due to large amounts of debris coming in, while AKs and especially ARs have more protection with open bolts.
The Vz58 is well sealed off with its bolt closed though; so two things need to happen simultaneously for a Vz to jam due to dirt:
1) the gun has to be slathered in gunk
2) the gun has to be fired while slathered in gunk
If the people in OP's vid had done a quick wipe of the bolt carrier area (which you should always do before firing with any gun that's covered in shit), the thing would have probably kept on ticking.
You got me
What am I doing with my life?
Better sell my AKs and buy some generic POS AR and make a tripcode so I can cry about people that own anything else or of a different brand than I like.
You should probably go outside more often.
>AR fags and Ak Fags duelling it out
>I am no guns
>i will probably never have guns
>I only ever get guns if i join army
>disqualified because of deformities
Shit niggas. Just be glad you have guns to argue , shill and shitpost about.
Good one, the two ARs I have next to me as well as the mill I have in the mail to purposely be used for building and designing AR shit since LOL engineer student , must mean I am for crooked as hell soviet style testing.
By your asinine logic, the fucked testing conducted by the military as a smear campaign against the original M16 holds water because LOL BUTT MAD AR FANBOYS ON SUICIDE WATCH.
Fuck off. It's way past your bedtime. It's at to late to be jacking off to your mail ninja CoD fantasies.
Anon, I might agree with you in some instances, but your insistence that the AR is some magic gun is blatantly wrong and very obviously fueled by asshurt. Karl himself said it was a cheapo frankengun. Pretty sure it even had a polymer lower which don't have a spectacular military track record.