Ok so we have a thread about favourite manufacturers, how about one on guns or manufacturers you've personally had a problem with?
No "my uncle's Kimber ___" or "My friend's SIG ____"; what issues have you personally had?
I've only had ~10 guns and never had a problem with any of them, so I can't contribute here. Still I'd love to hear your stories.
kek, it ought to be "ConductorWeHaveAProblem.jpg"
I've honestly never had any trouble with any gat-maker tbqh, most of my guns are milsurp though.
ive sent my czsp01 back to the factory multiple times
trigger return spring snapped
gun stovepipes send it in its fixed for a while starts stovepiping again
send it back
works for awhile starts stovepiping a year later
by this time the 5 year warranty is expired
replace all the springs and extractor hoping that will fix it it does for a while
still stovepipes once every 200 rounds
czs warranty service was pretty good you send it out they pay shipping both ways get it back "fixed" in 2-3 weeks but that guns a lemon
also broke a norinco iac hawk 982 the rear sight flew off, and the firing pin broke
it supposedly had a 1 year warranty the phone number didnt work and the email on the website didnt respond ever
said fuck it replaced the broken firing pin with Remington parts and removed the now useless rear
My Rossi 971 spits bullet shavings into my face when firing .357. Seriously, it shaves bits of jacket off like a motherfucker, and somehow throws it right into my eye/cheek/mouth. Pisses me off. I want to send it in for warranty, and I probably will when life settles down a little.
Other than that, I love it - reasonably accurate, decent trigger, comfortable to hold.
Kimber custom ii:
Nice looking gun, accurate. Shot they kimbers recommended 200 round break in with a couple failures to chamber. No biggie, was told it might do that early on.
Fast forward 200 more rounds (all ball ammo, haven't even tried hollow points), now multiple failures every magazine using kimber, Wilson, and McCormick mags.
Sent to kimber, came back in about 3 weeks, sold it. Didn't trust it after that.
Now have a Colt that has about 500 rounds of fmj and jhp thru it with no problems whatsoever.
I got a story from today
> at range for the first time ever, only shot guns once before at uncles house
> have an old single shot 16g shotgun that was found in grandmas basement.
> had 2 gunshops look it at and say its safe to shoot.
> nervous as hell cause never done this before and possible kabloom
> load it, point at berm, brace the best I can based on internet knowledge
> pull trigger
> pleasantly surpised it didnt blow up in my face and recoil wasnt horrible.
Repeat this 2 more times and was rather enjoying it. Then,
> load 4th round, point at berm trying to aim more this time
> pull trigger
> instantly panic that its a hang fire and try my best to not open the breach
> re-cock hammer and try again after 30 seconds
> recock again
Finally open the action and see a tiny dent in the primer but clearly a light strike.
Try a different round, same deal, so i tighten some screws that looked loose.
That made the one go off but still had another round that was dented but not shot.
Figure fuck it, load it and just keep trying, recocking the hammer till it finally goes. Took like 6 tries total.
> look at the Winchester Model 71 I also brought
> everyone that has heard of it say it has a real bad kick
> to this point I've shot a .22lr, 9mm and the 16gauge, no big or medium rifles
> load up one round that cost over $3 if you can find ammo
> look at the gun, look down range, look around the empty gun range
> decide Im not brave/stupid enough to shoot it by myself
I did try out my flare gun insert that lets you shoot .410 and that worked perfectly. Recoil wasnt even bad, a bit snappy but managable. Just had nothing to aim with on that.
Savage is pretty shit.
Bought a 10FCP SR and the allen bolts on the rail were overtorqued and stripped from the factory.
Overall quality was pretty shit, but that's what I get for buying a red light special "sniper" rifle, I guess.
Also, Firestar. Nothing particularly wrong with them, aside from the fact that there are literally no spare parts left on earth and the extractors/ejectors/firing pins like to go bad.
had a P30 that annoyed me when it pinched my finger in the groove underneath the trigger. called HK to complain, but otherwise it functioned fine. about a month later i got a packet of H&K stickers in the mail and a business card for grey guns to ask for a "vicker's trigger guard mod" which removes the groove.
>it's 10:00 PM on a Saturday
>I'm bored as shit
>time to make some prank calls
>call half the town, people get irate, keks are had
>it is now 11:50 PM and I'm running out of ideas
>glance at Nugget in the corner
>I know what I must do
>I call Izhevsk
>an angry sounding man answers the phone
>"HELLO, HOW OF DOINGS TODAY?"
>"Hey, I'd like to make an order."
>"WHAT OF WANT?"
>"Can I have a delivery of 50,000 Mosin-Nagant rifles? I'm the leader of a pro-Russian separatist movement and we need guns asap!"
>"SURE THING, COMRADE. PROVIDE COORDINATES AND WE WILL SHIP THEM TO YOU."
>"115 Anon's Street, Bumfucksville USA, 76254.
>OKAY, EXPECT DELIVERY LATER TONIGHT. GOOD LUCK COMRADE.
>it is now 2:30 AM.
>sleeping like a champ
>suddenly, my house starts vibrating
>then it starts shaking violently, shit is falling off the shelves
>the earsplitting din of four turboprops fills the air
>I jump out of bed and run outside just in time to see a Tu-95 swoop over the neighborhood
>something falls out of the bomb bay
>it's a crate
>a BIG fucking crate
>it slams into my house and crashes through the roof
>I run inside and see the colossal crate has landed in my living room
>as the dust settles, I see that the impact broke the crate slightly
>Nuggets are pouring out onto the floor like a liquid
>within minutes there are too many to count
>MFW I accidentally 50,000 Nuggets
What do, /k/?
Other than my Steyr being a piece of shit, the company has been fine to deal with. Whatever number on their website is wrong though (or it was awhile back) don't remember how I got the new number but that got me a direct line to the gun smith
Should have bought a Glock though (don't fall for the M9/40/357 spess gun meme they look cool but suck ass)
TEC-9 and Hi-Point carbines never cycle reliably in my experience.
I really enjoy hunting with beautiful polished blue and select walnut 870 Wingmaster, but I would never choose an 870 platform for a tactical shotgun because every 600 rounds or so I get a double feed and the design of the carrier doesn't allow me to just shove the bottom shell back in the mag to allow it to cycle again. The only way to fix this jam is to take the barrel off and dump the shells out the front of the action. I've experienced this with 12 and 20ga, Wingmasters and Express. Over thousands of rounds, this problem has only happened to me 10-15 times -- but this would fuck you in a gunfight.
On a Mossberg 590/590A1 the carrier is open on the bottom allowing you to just shove the shell back in. I've only had this happen once that I can recall (I've only put several hundred rounds through a Mossberg), but was easy to fix.
So, Remington pumps for sport, Mossies for combat. Not experienced enough with Winnies, Novas, etc. to speak to those.
My "desert eagle pistol" a Jericho 941 in .40 s&w it is an actual imi one made in isreal though. Shoots great and is a tack driver but bought it used. Trigger spring broke fairly early but I kept shooting it a while before sending it back. $150 probably took about a month to get back from magnum research but came back in a nice hard case. Shoot it and everything is gtg. See actually Jericho 941 combo pack with 9mm and 41ae conversion kits with 2 unopened boxes of 41 ae. Try to trade this one for it to find out from the gun shop that the gun will shoot with decocking safety engaged if you lush the trigger to the left or right while pulling. The safety is supposed to disconnect the hammer... And lock the firing pin. No idea if the firing pin is locked with this malfunction. Haven't attempted to get it fixed again for free since it was over 6 months before this problem was discovered
I bought a V93 that had the sights canted. Sent it to them and waited 3 weeks before getting it back. Now it's slightly less canted. Can't send it back since my warranty is now voided.
Probably just going to end up sending it to Ghilliebear (Parabellum Combat Systems) to get him to fix it. Not going to buy another Vector product after that, but other than that the gun has been flawless.
FTE/FTF's out the ass with new plunger and extractor (and springs) supplied to me at no cost by Steyr
One last try is to get some new mags-- if nothing, back to factory, if no resolution into the garbage (gun show/LGS consignment-trade in/Armslist) and pick up a Glock 19 Gen4
it wasnt obviously fucked up in a discernible way
lets say when the get the gun it jams once every mag this is noticible they replace parts fire 50 rounds and it doesn't jam yay problem solved
my theory is tolerance stacking in the frame put it enough out of spec that even good parts start fucking up after theyve worn in
It's funny to me that Kimber still hides behind "w-well they need a break-in period" when virtually nobody else does. Fuck, I had a Taurus 9mm 1911 and put 600 rounds through it with no problems before I traded it for something lighter. "Break-in period" these days means "we have shit manufacturing capabilities and are hoping natural wear will unfuck some of the screwed up parts we used".
I had a 971 that did the same thing. The cylinder worked itself out of timing within 50 rounds (Bought it new for like $250 from the LGS). Sent it to Taurus, took them TWO MONTHS to fix it, got it back and sold it for $350 without even firing it. Fuck that.
>it wasnt obviously fucked up in a discernible way
Yeah, but most manufacturers, if repeatedly sent the same pistol that keeps breaking itself, will just replace the gun with a new one.
Yeah, the thing about packaging a no-questions-asked transferable warranty to guns that are put together with dogshit QC is that you wind up with a huge backlog of people sending you broken guns.
People use "lifetime warranty" as a selling point for Taurus, but honestly if they DIDN'T have a lifetime warranty I don't think nearly as many people would even try. All the warranty does is put them into the "it might be worth a gamble" tier.
i thinks thats usually for pistols that are repeatedly fucked up in a short time frame like you send it back they fix it you fire it its fucked send it back immediately
it would take around year of shooting roughly 1-2k bullets before the gun would regularly start being a pile of shit again
It's total bullshit. Got a Les Baer before I bought the Colt, so tight it was crazy hard to rack the slide, can't turn bushing without a bushing wrench, have to use the barrel as a slide hammer to remove bushing from slide, and you can barely see the gap from the side to frame fit.
Guess what: over 700 rounds of various ammo thru different mags with no failures at all. No cleaning, just keep it wet with clp.
Loosening up nicely now.
Bought Beretta Pico after waiting years. Dry fired it about a dozen times over two weeks, the last time I pulled the trigger I heard something fly across the room and hit the wall. Took the pistol apart and saw the firing pin had snapped off. Also noticed the firing pin looked to be made of particularly shitty MIM.
Called Beretta, said "my Pico firing pin broke", girl on the other end just said "Oh alright we'll ship you a new one". I looked it up and found it was a common problem. Most people had the FP break after dry firing, a couple had it break at the range during live-fire. Fuckin' NOPE. I read a few people online saying Beretta was aware of the issue and were sending out new firing pins, so I expected something like a proper steel pin.
Lo and behold, about a week later, I get the extra same shitty MIM firing pin in the mail. I installed it and sold it on Armslist with full disclosure. Never even got to fire the thing.
Bought a "used" P232 at a local shop for $550 shortly after import ceased. I noticed it still had factory grease on the inside and didn't appear to have been fired, awesome.
Took it to the range, fired 50 rounds, it did great, except about halfway through the slide stopped locking back. Brushed it off as shitty light ammo. Got home, went to clean it, and noticed the takedown lever was pushed halfway down. Tried to push it all the way to take the pistol apart and examine it, but couldn't.
I looked up the problem and saw it's a common thing. Instead of a solid takedown pin like everyone else uses, SIG uses some sort of retarded two piece system that's a lever and a bar that work together via a small detent. The detent tends to fuck up when the gun is fired, which causes the takedown lever to detach, which means you can't take the pistol apart, and it also disables the slide lock.
Sent it back to SIG, who paid for shipping there and back and were very cool. Got the pistol back, new takedown lever installed, then sold it.
I bought a 20" OBR 5.56 and it would not stop jamming. No matter the ammo, no matter the lube, for some reason the gun simply did not eject rounds properly and double-fed constsntly.
Contacted LaRue, their customer service was kinda dickish but alright, they had me ship them my rifle. Nearly a month later it gets back to me, and it has the same issues.
I shot everything from Black Hills Mk 262 and Hornady Supermatch to cheapo M855.
I got fed-up, sold it, and I'm saving up the money spent to buy a new car. I still have my Daniel Defense M4V11 Lightweight, so I don't care.
It is an early A1, basically an A1 frame with the oldest grip texture available on A1's and a standard rail. The slide however does not say A1, just reads M9. Serial number puts production in early 2004, when the first A1's were released.
Not really a problem but kinda funny in a "this company committed a crime" way.
My dad (>inb4 not my issue) had a Ruger P89 that he bought in the late 90s and had cycling issues with it ever since he bought it, around 2005/06 he decided to send it to ruger for repair from OUR HOME (he wasn't a FFL and was somewhat a fudd so he didn't know this was illegal) ruger send the P89 BACK TO OUR HOUSE in nothing more than the factory box.
>TLDR my dad sent ruger a gun without being a FFL and Ruger transfered it back directly to my father
They also recently sent some trailer trash a bunch of ARs and GP100s by accident which doesn't surprise me
I had the mag release fall out of a Glock. It was an ambi mag release model that I guess had problems like that. I just put the mag release back in and I'm more careful with it.
Also had an old stevens shotgun be a total piece of shit.
No, it's not illegal.
When you have your weapon repaired or replaced by Ruger, they'll pick it up from your home via UPS or FedEx, and drop it off at your home. It's not illegal, and the ATF allows it.
Look into the laws more, and you'd realize this. I've had 3 guns serviced or replaced by Ruger, and never have to go through an FFL.
It was missing a SHM-12 ring from the factory and Andrew at KT was the only guy handling RFB stuff, he never picked up his phone, stop answering emails, and his voice mail box was full. Had to buy a new ring myself.
Told me to go fuck myself and give them another $1000 if I wanted a gun without problems. My FNP45T had a walking trigger pin, undersized magazines, and a barrel that had a dimple on a groove.
Got a 552.XR308, regretted it. As soon as I started bore sighting it I noticed parallax and that the reticle was completely different from what was listed on their website. They refused to do shit, and still till this day have the incorrect picture of the reticle. In case you're wondering how they're different, the numbers are FUCK HUGE.
In short, every company i've bought a gun from, which is only really 2.
The only gun I've ever had a problem with was when I was young and dumb and made the mistake of buying a blackthorne products parts kit. Dude kept 15% of the cost as a "restocking fee" after he sent me 2 kits that produced bulged .223 casings.
...that's not a crime. The Gun Control Act exempts guns sent for maintenance from the shipping to FFL requirements.
I sent my LCP in to Ruger via Fedex and they also sent it back to my house in a cardboard box.
It was more that I saved it then it being passed on.
We found it very rusted in their basement after my grandpap passed and no one knew anything about it.
Ive cleaned it up a ton and plan to reblue it.
Pic is when I first got it.
savage rim fire rifles. No a bad rifle on its own but the mags are complete shit. both the ones i own worked fine for like a 100 rounds or so then they just started spitting before I could put the mag in the gun. tried several new mags, bent the lips etc but they are complete shit and make the rifle worthless
90% of the people who contact customer service are just too retarded for their own good. The other 10% of those people have a legitimate issue and are a pleasure to deal with.
>source: suppressor manufacturer employee
Forgot to include that it also shipped with a bent firing pin. Didnt keep the gun from firing or cause slam fires, but still. They sent me a new firing pin for the RFB, and it too was bent. Their response to me was to bend it back, as if everyone had a arbor press and die.
the only mags i can use with my kimber are kimber brand 1911 mags.
my rock island, springfield, and remington r1 enhanced 1911 all feed every mag i own. the kimber is the only picky 1911 i own.
>Sig 556 Patrol
Never ran correctly. The gas block was busted and I sold it at a loss since customer service was shit and didn't want to take my rifle to fix it. Would jam every magazine.
>FNH FS2000 standard
Lighter primer strikes, called FNH and asked them about it. Told me to send in my trigger pack and wait like 4-5 weeks to get it back. Talked to my friend who owns one and he said just take out the firing pin spring or clip it in half (it's too strong and causes light primer strikes). I clipped it in half and fixed it, but I also voided my "warranty" that expired like a year ago. Apparently FNH told people to not do that despite the firing pin spring being the problem for so many people.
More or less. Hence the new extractor that, while has made it better than not-functional hasn't gone a long way towards instilling a lot of confidence in the gun.
It feeds nickel plated, expensive JHP's fine from 115gr to 135gr+P and 147's, and yet 115gr ball ammo from numerous manufacturers cheap and otherwise is totally unreliable.
I had a kimber that had the sear fail at around 6 or 7 thousand rounds.
It was still 100% reliable, but if I put the safety on, then squeezed the trigger super hard, the hammer would fall to half cock when I dropped the safety.
I had a gunsmith replace and tune the FCG, and it's 100% again withb a GOAT trigger
That's fucked, especially since I'm pretty sure Century is their own distributor. If they're the ones keeping your gun I can't imagine why they wouldn't just send you a cheque themselves.
Broken firing pin on an Intratec TEC-22. It's a pretty common point of failure on those things.
Cylinder stop retaining screw on an Uberti New Model Russian backed out and fell off while shooting. Never could find it, had to order a new one.
That's about it really.
Never really had an issue with a firearm as much as ammo.
Armscor has some of the jankiest .22 out there. Multiple case failures in my 10/22 that has no issue with federal. it would blow out my extractor and leave a bullet lodged an inch past the chamber.
I had a couple different batches and they all had one that would do that. After the third time I managed to secure federal again and have never seen that issue since.
Colt has always been the best.
Even recently when my series 70 gold cup national match front sight fell off.
They are no longer produced. Check Brownell's and Midway if you don't believe me.
They replaced and paid the shipping.
Sorry tavor fans, I bought that pistol, new in the box before you were born.
The worst is Lyman. Not a gun mfg. but related. They are dragging their feet on an out of the box mfg. error. I used to like them.
You are a moron
So is Beretta and the guy you responded to. Owner didn't read owners manual, and Beretta managed to make a centerfire handgun capable of being damaged with dry fire
LaRue. Bought an upper from them.
Initial inspection: The gas key wasn't properly staked (barely divoted), the factory bolt seemed to bind, as did 2 colt BCGs I tried, the charging handle relief wasn't completely machined and the handle didn't go in all the way. Fired 10 rounds out of it, had 2 failure to feeds, sent it in to get repaired.
5 months later got it back in the mail along with a dillo consolation prize. Now the BCG was noticeably loose in the upper and the BCG and charging handle would fall out if the barrel was pointed up (obviously not connected to lower). BCG still looked like a 10 year old girl tried to stake it with a plastic hammer. Took to the range, fired 10 3 round groups, best group was just over 1.5 MOA @100 yards, averaged 2 MOA. I can get 1 MOA with an LE6921 upper. Sent it back for the second time.
6 months later, call and ask where my upper is and if it will be done anytime in the decade. Talk to Mark LaRue, he acts like a shithead (saying the accuracy was my shooting, the bolt is supposed to be that loose, etc etc). Finally get him to agree to a refund. Took 1 month.
Fuck LaRue. Sold the dillo to some retard on gunbroker for $50.
What year is this that you can't dry fire a gun? I've owned about 15 guns, the oldest being a goddamn rimfire revolver from 1972 (and a cheap one at that, a High Standard) and have dry fired them all many times. The Pico is the only one that apparently shouldn't be dry fired.
Related to the Pico, I've owned many of its competitors: the Ruger LCP, Taurus TCP, Bersa Thunder, and SIG P232. Once again, the Pico is the only one that can't be dry fired without shitting out.
tl;dr if you ever buy a new gun that can't be dry fired without breaking, it's a piece of shit and you should sell it
Do you mostly handle customer service issues on a front-line basis, or do you actually perform the repairs and such? New to the suppressor world and just wondering how prevalent legitimate issues are and what the resolution usually is.
Also to add to this.
I originally bought it b/c of a recommendation from a friend who spends half his time on arfcom. What I learned was LaRue is a memegun from arfcom nothing more.
They buy their barrel blanks "pre lapped" from montana rifleman. They just profile them.
>Owner didn't read owners manual,
I did. The manual says "excessive dry firing over long periods of time may cause damage". It doesn't say "dry fire it 12 times and the gun will totally fucking break".
Also if you read above, the issue is with Beretta's shitty MIM firing pins in the Pico. People have the same problem with live fire, where the firing pin will just snap on the range. Dry fire is not the problem here.
My bushmaster carbine AR-15 had weird marking on the bcg that I didn't notice when I bought it. Called up bushmaster to have them fix it but they wanted me to mail the whole fucking gun to them and wouldn't pay for the shipping. fuck bushmaster piece of shit cunts
>2 LaRues in 1 thread
Thanks, I was about to buy one of their rifles. I almost fell for the ARFCOM meme rifle.
Any other suggestions for high-end manufacturers? NOVESKE? Daniel Defense? JP Enterprises?
I had a Ruger SR45 that had to be sent in for feed issues, and because it refused to lock back on empty. Ruger fixed it free of charge and sent out 2 free mags. Pretty cool.
CZ75b Compact .40, couldn't get through a mag without a failure to feed. Traded it for an HK USP
CZ75bd: Again feed issues, and a broken trigger return spring within the first 700 rounds. 10k through it since its return, and works like a charm.
Lionheart LH9c: Failure to lock back on last shot, and FTE issues. They fixed it, sold soon after return.
I would like to point out that with CZ and Lionheart I had to pay shipping one way, whereas Ruger was cool as fuck and covered it all.
>> instantly panic that its a hang fire and try my best to not open the breach
>> decide Im not brave/stupid enough to shoot it by myself
I'm surprised nobody has called you out for being a huge giant pussy.
Seriously? They hard fit the barrel lugs and bushings on their guns. Until you get a couple hundred rounds thru it it's pretty damn tight when in battery.
There is a reason they zip tie them shut when new, it's so ham fisted shitheads don't fuck up and drop them when they molest them in the gun store.
I've owned Noveske and DD as well.
Noveske, pretty good quality control, good parts.
Daniel Defense, meh quality control, some parts are excellent, others are PTAC tier.
For quality control its hard to beat Colt, but they use "milspec" parts, which means anodized, phospated and chrome lined parts. But it will work 100% of the time out of box, no problems.
The last upper I got was a pair of Radical 10.5". The parts are excellent quality (all fit snug, nitrided, etc) and the quality control seemed ok. I did however tear it down when I got them and cerakoted everything, so haven't shot one straight from the factory.
Both. The biggest issue is user error or negligence. Actual problems with materials or performance are less than 1% (actual data). I cherish the calls where I get to tell the person trying to talk down to me that they put their shit in backwards.
Bought an older model. Failure to eject every single time. Buffer was literally shattered and the lifter spring was bent wrong. Replaced buffer, bent spring works like new.
Filli Pieta 1870 navy
Bought new. Hammer would get stuck in the cocked position. Took apart and gently filed a couple things. Still got stuck, decided I'd just shoot it until it stopped. It worked.
No other issues to speak of, and I generally buy used guns.
>FNH bad customer service
I bought a second hand FiveseveN and admitted that to the customer service (was on the phone ordering a back up barrel). They basically told me they'd service the gun for the rest of my life no questions asked.
The guy even offered 10% off the barrels price.
They had stellar customer service. Not that it was necessary, the 10,000 rounds of 5.7x28 I fired while I owned the gun, I never had one single issue.
- Out of spec (bad heat treat -> bending) trigger bar induced failures to reset @ ~4,200 rounds. Called SIG, return label sent, gun back in about two weeks.
- Broken trigger return spring @ ~9,700 rounds. Ordered the part and replaced it.
- Weak lawn-sprinkler ejection and occasional BTF on two Gen 4 G19s. Extractors replaced with APEX units w/ appropriate SLBs. No further issues. Glock has failed to acknowledge the issue over the past five years, so no point in contacting them.
- Broken slide stop spring on G19 #1 @ ~17,000 rounds. Slide went a'flying, slide stop lost. Replaced from spares.
- Weak slide lock/release spring on OEM extended release on G19 #1 induced premature lockbacks starting @ ~11,000 rounds. Replaced from spares.
- G42 range gun (I work there), unknown round count (would estimate <5,000). Trigger occasionally fails to reset. I can't figure out why -- everything looks fine. My boss is too cheap/lazy to send it back to Glock, so the problem persists.
- 870 Express extractor broke within 200 rounds. Sent it back to Remington, got it fixed, sold it.
>One guy put his 9mm can on a 308 and blew it up.
Oh lawd. But what happens then? Aside from facepalming and pretending like you give a hoot over the phone, you can't just give him a new one... c-can you?
>- Broken slide stop spring on G19 #1 @ ~17,000 rounds. Slide went a'flying, slide stop lost. Replaced from spares.
How does a slide possibly fly off a gun if the slide stop is broken or even removed from the gun? The slide rides on the frame rails and rearward overtravel is prevented by the frame.
This sounds like 100% bullshit.
maybe just maybe it flew forwards ever think of that possibility?
My mother's husband had a similar LaRue experience.
> Buy expensive ass rifle, Mark12 clone, I think
> Won't cycle
> Try everything, send back
At least they fixed it, but wouldn't tell him what went wrong.
I've bought 2 PX4s in 9mm, and both had the rear sights set way too far left.
Again noguns, forwards overtravel is prevented by the barrels hood and the locking block. The slide stop has zero impact in keeping the slide attached to the frame. Why am I not surprised that a gun store employee would be the one who has no clue how guns work, and cant even make up believable stories.
>Hint: this is the slide stop (takedown lever), not the slide release.
Noguns plz go
>he was obviously talking about the slide stop, which he mentioned failing in the next line.
But hey, it's impossible because the barrel is retained by the locking lug or some shit.
Tried everything and it still had 2-3 failures per mag. Mainly not fully chambering a round. Many new production ammos and countless reloads. Different mags. Different oils.
Sent it in and they "fixed" the extractor. I had left the extractor channel dirt on accident and it was still dirty when I got it back. Cleaned it and tried again. "Fixed" extractor and clean channel did not help. Traded it off to a know it all.
Currently dealing with the Rem 700 recall.
Had a zastava 357 break. Returned it to Cabelas.
Yes and your point is?
It was my first time at a range, there was no one else around, and the shotgun is over 100 years old, patent date is from 1896. I think a bit of fear is natural in that situation.
As for the second part I right out admitted I wasnt brave enough for that gun this time so I dont see why you restated it.
asked for a 16" 9mm pencil barrel, lady on the phone told me she can't sell to me unless I'm law enforcement or military. Asked her if she knows any companies that sell one. Told me she can't do that. I hung up
this was a few months ago, but it looks like green mountain rifle barrels carry them now
Name on it says Olympia but it seems thats one of the names Iver Johnson put on their guns.
Have had a hard time finding any info about it. I'll make a thread about it once i get it reblued.
>nogun dad gifts me remington rifle, supposedly his dad's but looked too new
>shows me how to shoot it "like yer grandpa did with these things"
>jams after the tenth round
>"well it's shit better sold it off son buy what you know it's good"
>never see it again
>dad sends 700 bucks in the mail
>or better, a copy of The 7 Pillars of Wisdom by T.E. Lawrence with grubby notes hidden in the pages
I've broken a tritium vial in a SIG front sight while removing it myself with a hammer and lunch. Never heard of a broken one from factory. Not surprised by the response you got, though. Sig becomes more and more of HKs direct competitor every day.
The barrel extenion on my Benelli m4 wasn't torqued right so I couldn't assemble it. I took it back to my LGS and they sent it back to Benelli. They fixed the problem and got it back to LGS within two weeks.
Again, never had a problem with colt, and have first hand experience.
Time stamp your colt if you're so against them, and share your story.
Cracks stock first range trip
Fuckibg first mag i think, only put two through,
Pretty sure they tightened the screws to much
Mail to cz same day
Been 3 weeks
Not even an ETA yet from them, just not done yet.
Fucking just give me a new gun then, i could have swapped thevwood myself.
They are friendly about it but fuck man hurry up
Do you still have it? If so, try some fine lapping compound on the rails, cycle it 15 times or so and clean it off. It'll smooth the rails out and help the slide move more freely.
Here's a finger shot to accompany dem toes.
yeah ive still got it im not understanding how lapping the rails would help anything.
the gun has no problems with slide movement its all stovepipes and something odd causing parts to wear out prematurely
this gun has over 6k through it racking the slide 15 times wont do shit
all of it was factory ammo no reload fuckery through this cz
unless your talking about the shotgun
Jennings: shitty trigger pull, jams about every 10 rounds
Raven: always stovepipes on the last round in the mag. ALWAYS.
Century: One of those single stack WASRs they converted to a double stack. Fucked up mag well, only accepts the Romo mags the rifle came with, I've never been able to get it to take anything else.
Same rifle from Century mentioned above: They didn't pin the trigger in correctly. Second time I took it out shooting the trigger fell out of the bottom of the rifle and it went into a slam fire cycle and emptied the mag, Scared the shit out of me, almost dropped the rifle while it was happening. It was very easy to fix. Basically there was a thin wire that was supposed to be holding the pin in place (Shepard's Crook i think?). Century never installed this wire so there was nothing holding the pin in place
My Remington 870 express hangs up a lot when duck hunting so bad I often have to ground slam it to cycle the gun replaced the extractor and it helps but the barrel was poorly made like many of the early express models needed a new barrel should have stuck with wingmaster the express is just a shite tier knockoff
The tolerances on the slide may be incorrect.
Lapping them could free it up enough to where there's less friction causing the stove pipe.
Factory spec springs could also be the issue as well.
My friend bought one and broke the integrated bipod in the first two hours. I don't even think he got to shoot it with the bipod. Not my smartest friend, either. Good guy though.
>The tolerances on the slide may be incorrect.
the tolerances on something on that gun are fucked up. i still havent figured out what it is. im not going to lap rails on the off chance that that may be the solution.
i really wish i could figure out which specific spring is fucking up the equation instead of replacing all of em when shit gets really worn out and i cant make it through a mag without a jam
theres no reason springs or the extractor should wear out in 1-2k rounds on a fullsized gun
as of now its a pure range toy cause its fun to shoot when it works
They did a damn good job. I mean the gun itself isn't very nice, its pretty much the ultimate in Meh technology, but the company is awesome and the gun has been reliable for the last 1700 rounds. Plus out of all my Ruger firearms its the only one to have any sort of an issue. In my mind Ruger is pretty much the king of mediocrity, which is OK. They don't do revolvers as good as smith, but they are good, their semi-auto's aren't Glocks, but they are OK, their AR's are literally the definition of meh. I guess the M77 bolt guns are pretty fucking nice, but other than that, they strive to be the middle class mans baby which is A-OK in my book.
The carrier can't go up and the bolt can't go back and the barrel is in front. One shell is halfway in the breech and the other is between the bolt and the carrier.
No, I'm definitely not the retarded one here.
>don't want to pay for a Keltec nor overpriced Beretta at the time
>shit right out of the box
>sold it for a loss
>tell the guy its a piece of shit
>he buys it anyways
Glad its gone DESU.
>Remington 700 Sendero SFII
Supposedly Remington's premiere long-range hunting rifle, complete with good non-Remington stock/bedding and their famous stainless 5R barrel. Out of the box it was a 5 MOA gun with any ammo I tried (everything from FGMM to PPU). Called Remington for warranty work and they told me it was "in spec", called back and got cussed out, called back 4 more times and they'd hang up on me. Filed a complaint with the BBB which remains "unresolved".
Bought a Kimber 8400. Would fire when you took it off safe with nothing anywhere near the trigger, every time you took it off safe. Kimber fixed it via warranty and were super cool about it, cost me nothing (they even paid shipping) but it took them almost 4 months to get the rifle back to me.
>have SKB 600
>it's been out of production ~40 years
>even when it was still in production it was famous for eating hammer springs and having really soft firing pins that wear out rapidly
>sure as shit, first time I fired it it broke both hammer springs
>start looking for spare parts online
>lolnope, it was a budget competition import gun from the early 70's
>start reading forums
>end up getting a dozen firing pins custom-fabbed (they're straight untapered pins, only cost me like $30 for the set) and buy some Brownell's cut-to-fit springs
>spend an evening fitting everything
>spend 2 more evenings making and fitting the other 8 springs, just in case
>10 years and probably 50,000 shells later nothing else has broken
Same shit with the rubber O-rings on Remington 1100/11-87 shotguns. They only ever tear when you don't have spares on hand.
Hell I don't even know who made the SKB. Obviously not SKB, they're just an importer, but it's not an Ithaca (which were sold under SKB's name at the time).
Current trademark manufactured in Turkey by Akus and Akdas, established in late 2013 and imported by G.U. Inc. located in Omaha, NE. Previously manufactured by the SKB Arms Company located in Tokyo, Japan from 1855-until December, 2009. Dealer and distributor sales.
SKB Arms Company exported its first shotguns into the U.S. during 1966. SKB also manufactured shotguns for Browning, Weatherby, and Birmingham Small Arms (BSA). In 1986 SKB had produced its one millionth shotgun. In 1987, importation resumed on most SKB models. While the model numbers have changed, quality is similar to those models imported previously by Ithaca. In most cases, the newer models are derived closely from their previous counterparts. Listings in this section will differentiate older, disc. models from more recently imported models. Ithaca imported from 1968 to 1978, Mitsui and Co. Chicago, IL from 1980 to 1983, and G.U. Inc from 1987 to 2010.
Early in 2010, the owners made the difficult decision to close the SKB Shotguns factory and negotiated the sale of the brand name, mechanical drawings and all of the remaining parts to G.U. Inc.
SKB also manufactured other models and variations of O/Us and semi-autos (Models 1900 and 3000 Field) shotguns that were not imported into the U.S.
Between 5 Ruger revolvers owned between me and my brother, two now have had an issue with the cylinder locking/binding up while firing. One was manufactured in 2002, and the other was manufactured in 2013, so it's wasn't just a single bad day at the factory when some QC checker was a little hung over. That is a failure rate of 40% of all Ruger revolvers I have owned or come into contact with, in case you were keeping track. I sent mine back to Ruger on my dime because I bought it used (new old stock) and they didn't want to honor their guarantee anymore, and they returned it not having fully fixed the problem. My brother has yet to send his gun back.
I also had an issue with my LCP where the magazine that it came with wouldn't fully seat/click into the magwell. The actual issue was that the tolerances of the frame were way out of spec - the magwell of the new LCP was manufactured a little too long/deep for the magazines to fit in and click before the mags' floorplate stopped the mag from going deep enough. Ruger's fix to this issue was to send me a new magazine floorplate for the one magazine that I then owned. Problem was, this gun had the same issue with ALL magazines, so each time I bought a new magazine, I had to call them up to bum me a new, working floorplate. They insisted that the issue was the magazine floorplate tolerances and not the frame tolerances, so the real issue, the depth of the magwell in the frame, was never fixed.
The only worse experience I've had with a brand of guns was Taurus, and that's hard to beat for shittiness. I don't buy guns made by either company anymore.
I had a Pact electronic powder trickler/dispenser and matching scale that I had to send in for a repair and upgrade a couple years ago
>has unfortunate accident involving terminal velocity from workbench to floor, won't sync to scales or dispense powder
>get shipping info and send it in
>get no word they got it two weeks later, call support and ask if they got my dispenser
>guy puts me on hold and checks, tells me they have it
>great, do you have an estimate on how long it'll take to get fixed
>tells me no, but tells me it'll be $150 for upgrade and repair
>okay, we'll worry about that when you fix it
>another two weeks go by, don't hear anything
>call back, tells me they haven't fixed it yet
>it's been a month, what's the hold up?
>tells me they don't have the parts, ask how long it'll take to get the parts
>get a sugar-coated "i dunno"
I repeated this for about seven months. No joke, it took them seven months to repair and upgrade my powder dispenser.
>call support on the six month milestone, ask if it's fixed
>no, it's not fixed, we should have the parts next week
>ask him if it normally takes half a year to fix your products, he can't give me an answer
>tell him I'm very unhappy with the support of his company, and I will not recommend their products to anyone
>"I'm very sorry to hear that sir"
>get my equipment back month later, still has some of the problems but at least it's slightly faster to shit out my powder
>it's also less accurate and doesn't dispense on the mark anymore
Took them seven months to "fix" it, and it still jammed up on certain powders and was less accurate after I got it back.
Pact is pretty shit.
That's why you either use a case-activated charger for rounds you don't need 0.01gr accuracy on, or a culver style measure for rounds you DO need 0.01gr accuracy on.
Oh, I should also mention that the cadillac of culver measures is still less than half the cost of your PACT.
I've owned a Blackhawk, two SP101's and a Super Redhawk, and I had the binding while firing issue with the SRH. My brother has an SP101 and the binding while firing issue happened within the first 500 rounds he's shot through it.
Of the other revolvers, none of them were really perfect either. The Blackhawk had really tight tolerances on the cylinders so I'd often get sticky extraction and some reloads (LAX brand) simply refused to fall into the chamber. The SP101's that I owned would get fouled up very quickly and the cylinder axle wouldn't spin very freely when that happened (this is unrelated to the cylinder binding while firing on the other guns, though).
>I sent mine back to Ruger on my dime because I bought it used (new old stock) and they didn't want to honor their guarantee anymore
When was this? I second my LCP back them to after telling them I bought it used and damaged it out of pure negligence. They sent me a prepaid label, fixed the problem, refurbished all the springs/small parts without me asking, and sent it back. Couldn't have asked for better service.
Then again I hear the guys in NH who handle revolvers can be dicks, where as the guys in AZ who do all the pistol and rifle stuff are awesome.
Did I mention the word "had?"
I don't own it anymore. I have a press-mounted Hornady powder dumper for rifle loads, and a press-mounted Lyman for pistols. Both calibrated for a certain caliber, since I only actively load two right now.
I also have a little Lyman manual trickler and some "medical-grade" scales that are dead nuts on.
It's all good, brah.
It's funny you mentioned "Cadillac" and used it to compare equipment, since I work in the automotive industry.
I always chuckle when I hear that word being used to describe quality or luxury, because modern Cadillac is neither. They are engineering clusterfucks that rival BMW and Mercedes in "you suck and we hate you" aftermarket parts and service.
>have to change battery in 2013 300C
>battery is in the wheel well
>have to take wheel out, have to tear shit out of the engine compartment, parts are fuckspensive and break all the time.
Regardless, I took no offense. I far prefer my powder dumpers over that Pact POS that I got for free.
Here's my colt suggmadik edition, you gay bitch
I'm pretty sure you are lying anon. I have a 10/22 that I am literally the 5th owner of that Ruger repaired for free on their dime. I have sent at least 2 used beat to shit P89's to them as well they they have worked on. Also I would like to point out that Ruger has no written guarantee or warranty policy. They do this because they fix literally fucking everything with their guns ever on their dime to keep fudds happy.
It was a couple years ago, 2014 maybe. I bought the gun second-hand that year and the gun was made in 2002; however, the seller of the gun told me that it had never been fired, and since he didn't modify it either, I think that fixing the problem should have been on Ruger.
>>Then again I hear the guys in NH who handle revolvers can be dicks, where as the guys in AZ who do all the pistol and rifle stuff are awesome.
Apparently, the guys in Arizona will send you a pre-paid return label for a flat rate of like $30. When I asked the people in NH about such a label, they acted like they'd never heard of such a thing. The cheapest way I could find to return it was to take it to my LGS and use their FFL shipping service to send it via USPS Priority Mail, which cost me $55. Since then, I have found some FFLs who offer cheaper shipping services, but still, I wasn't too happy about paying to ship it back when it was clearly a factory defect.
Not using this as an excuse since they have a large "hey use this to jump start the car" terminal under the hood that's about the size of a (normal) car battery, but...
The 300 series cars have big engines in small engine compartments. The -C and AWD models have even more shit under the hood (the 5.7 or 6.1L V8's and the front drive shit, respectively) as well as a boatload of electronics. As a result, whether or not it's needed, the OEM battery is FUCKING HUMONGOUS. Like literally not standard-format 12v automotive. It looks like a 24v commercial marine battery, but it isn't. Because of this they didn't have room to get the humongous battery AND all the plastic cowlings that are over and around the engine under the hood.
If your not just compleatly full of shit. You are now aware you can ship firearms for repair from/to your private residence. Of course your FFL won't tell you that.
I've never encountered a ruger revolver that was fucked up due to something other than idiocy. And I've shot ones from 1968 to 2012.
I can't speak for the quality of their semi autos. But the only negative aspect of their revolvers is that they are heavier than others of similar make, due to the beefyness of them.
Your strong sense of loyalty to your budget firearms brand is blinding you to the fact that nowhere did I imply that I didn't know that. However, it is illegal to use any shipping service, as an unlicensed individual, than a next day service through one of the Common Carriers. That means UPS 1 Day and FedEx 1 Day. For a big heavy revolver like a Super Redhawk, the quoted price for shipping was around $105. The FFL's $55 sounded like a bargain at the time, although I have since that time found another FFL who will ship guns for $10 + the cost of Priority Mail postage.
>I've never encountered a ruger revolver that was fucked up due to something other than idiocy.
>it's never happened to me
>therefore it can never happen
>And I've shot ones from 1968 to 2012.
I'm not sure why you think that a span of time means anything without saying how many Rugers you have tested in that time. For all we know, you only own two Rugers, one made in 1968 and another made in 2012. Since Ruger is traditionally a budget brand, most people who own them will usually only own one or two Rugers and barely shoot more than a couple boxes of ammo in a year, and not test their guns more extensively, as I did. However, this still does not address the facts I presented.
>But the only negative aspect of their revolvers is that they are heavier than others of similar make, due to the beefyness of them.
That, and the reliability issues that I have encountered.
No matter how much you type you won't convince me your not full of shit.
Owned 7, shot unknown number.
>No where did I imply
No where did I imply I'm loyal to them. I know better than to buy their semi autos and rifles that arnt the M77 or No.1
No where did I imply it couldn't happen.
>Since Ruger is traditionally a budget brand, most people who own them will usually only own one or two Rugers and barely shoot more than a couple boxes of ammo in a year, and not test their guns more extensively, as I did
> implying someone that buys ruger and taurus takes their shit seriously.
> facts I presented
You presented no facts, just a story. Like me. Stories can be false.
I've first hand seen S&W revolvers shit the bed.
I'm sure a ruger could shit the bed. I'm sure they have. Yet I'm still sure your full of shit.
I have only stated the truth. I know you probably think you're being witty by implying that I am a liar without actually coming out and saying that to my face, but it's pretty obvious that you've become emotional at this point in the conversation and that it would be impossible to reason with you any further. Want to prove me wrong? Post more politely. Want to prove me right? Just keep doing what you've been doing.
>No where did I imply I'm loyal to them.
Right. So the motivation for your blind belief that I am lying about my experiences must come from somewhere else, then.
Okay if I didn't make it clear
*to your face the best I can*
"Your lying" me. Jan 21st, 2016.
Your either lying about your service experience or lying all together about owning one.
It's pretty obvious you have fun shit posting and trolling.
You think <see previous posts> was not polite. Your boipussy a little sore? Go suck your taurus off little pussy ass man bitch [insert 300 conformed kills pasta]
>>Remington 700 Sendero SFII
>Supposedly Remington's premiere long-range hunting rifle, complete with good non-Remington stock/bedding and their famous stainless 5R barrel. Out of the box it was a 5 MOA gun with any ammo I tried (everything from FGMM to PPU). Called Remington for warranty work and they told me it was "in spec", called back and got cussed out, called back 4 more times and they'd hang up on me. Filed a complaint with the BBB which remains "unresolved".
>Bought a Kimber 8400. Would fire when you took it off safe with nothing anywhere near the trigger, every time you took it off safe. Kimber fixed it via warranty and were super cool about it, cost me nothing (they even paid shipping) but it took them almost 4 months to get the rifle back to me.
I'll have "Things that never happened" for $1000, Alex.
There are only two logical conclusions here.
>A) I am lying.
In this case, Ruger would be a class-leading firearms manufacturer that can do no wrong. They are superior to Glock, HK, Colt, and all other firearm manufacturers, both in quality of manufacturing and in service. Not only do they provide such a high quality experience, but they do it for less money, and all of the people who buy Rugers do it for the quality moreso than for the price. Ruger owners buy Rugers because they demand the best firearms that money can buy, and they are not married to the brand but might switch to another gun if they can be proven to be better than Ruger.
B) I am not lying.
In this case, Ruger takes shortcuts in their manufacturing process, which results in the occasional lemon making its way to market. Their service is inconsistent. Sometimes it's good, sometimes not. The guns are priced low, but the consumer gets what he pays for with them. Ruger users often get emotionally-invested in their firearm because they understand, on some level, that the purchase was a compromise between price and quality, and men who compromise on the important things in life are faggots.
Spoiler: The answer is B.
You must really be bored to type that much.
Obviously there is alot wrong with how your brain works and that's okay anon.
Okay B. But with an addition. You and your gay lover broke your firearms due to negligence and you came off as a stuck up prick on the phone. And stupidly admitted it was negligence and wasn't smart enough to ask for someone incharge.
I can shit post all day to asshole. Data miners love us.
Glock and HK don't make revolvers. He said he knows their semis suck. But IMO ruger revolvers are top notch compared to smith and wesson or taurus or pretty much any company that makes revolvers sub 1500 dollars.
So if you do not observe the sunrise the sun must never rise and just be sun.
> I may have observed a ruger failing.
> I don't own any other revolvers
> but all rugers must be shit.
Someone at some point in time has observed every shape and style of firearm fail. All firearms must be shit :D.
>So if you do not observe the sunrise the sun must never rise and just be sun.
No, that is very obviously a mischaracterization of what I said.
>Someone at some point in time has observed every shape and style of firearm fail. All firearms must be shit :D.
A single instance of a gun failing out of millions of guns doesn't mean much, but when you have a sample size of five firearms, and two of those have failed, that's a 40% failure rate. I said this in my first post to the thread.
You fundamentally don't understand how statistics work or the nature of empirical evidence, do you?
I don't think you do.
I think your a liar so naturally I'll assume your sample size to be 0. Add that to my 0/7 failures and it looks like ruger scored a 100% :D statistics.
> mommy look at this big word I know!
>buys broken rugers over gunbroker
>omg what a steal
>wait, it's broken
>damn you rugerrrrrrrrrrrrr!
>Speed Six binds up all the time
>Single Six binds up on factory .22 mag cylinder
>Ruger Redhawk breaks from light use
>Ruger refuses to fix or replace Redhawk
I swear to God, if the LCP I have ends up shitting the bed, I'm putting it through someone's head; only got it because I wanted a lil baby gun and by all accounts it had none of the potential issues I've heard with with other Rugers
The topstrap of the Heritage target revolver on the left broke and the gun pretty much exploded while my father was shooting it.
>inb4 r u a nigger for having a 3 year old ATF pic of saturday night specials and cheap revolvers
admittedly I probably put ~3000 rounds of .22lr through it but they mill 1/2 the thickness of the topstrap out to install the target sight. Only gun I own that actually failed on me during normal operation.
>finnicky about mags
>striker-fired, sear and disconnector don't line up right causing it to double-fire then FTE/FTC on light trigger pulls
>tears casings in half
I don't speak ching-chong and it's not like I'm shipping a firearm from eastern Canada back to fukyou-roundeyes province for repairs.
BEST EXPERIENCES WITH CUSTOMER SERVICE SO FAR
#1 Ruger - Replaced a 20+ year old Broken secondhand revolver with a Brand new GP100 for no charge - Sent free parts for other guns
#2 Kel-Tec Sent Free Parts
the irony that you managed to put rugers through enough abuse to break 2 out of 5 revolvers that can handle a constant loads of buffalo bore and don't think they're they're godtier at reliability.
I don't currently own any revolvers. I would buy a Smith and Wesson before I bought another Ruger, though, provided it was either pre barrel sleeve production, or I was able to inspect the gun thoroughly before purchase.
>the irony that you managed to put rugers through enough abuse to break 2 out of 5 revolvers that can handle a constant loads of buffalo bore and don't think they're they're godtier at reliability.
I'm not sure you understand why these guns were binding. They weren't "broken." No part on the gun was broken. The guns are defective. The cylinders bind up because the cylinder gap was too narrow, and when firing the gun, the metals expanded to the point where the cylinder gap, momentarily, closed up. It could also be accentuated by build-up of carbon on the front of the cylinder. With the Super Redhawk that I owned, I got the cylinder face and the end of the forcing cone so clean I could eat off of it, but it would still bind once it got hot enough. With my brother's SP101, his is a little dirty, but he really doesn't shoot that much. You shouldn't have to remove all traces of carbon from the cylinder face every few hundred rounds (and I bet he's fired less than 300 out of his) just to keep your revolver running reliably.
> Fagpul furniture.
> detachable carry handle.
> to blurry to even tell if it's this thread
> tipping fedoras in mom's basement color scheme.
If not airshit it might as well be. Also I doubt your previous experience with 5 and now 0 revolvers is enough to speak on the function of revolvers.
>The guns are priced low, but the consumer gets what he pays for with them. Ruger users often get emotionally-invested in their firearm because they understand, on some level, that the purchase was a compromise between price and quality, and men who compromise on the important things in life are faggots.
Did you just call yourself and your brother gigafaggots for buying 5 Ruger revolvers?
I made mistakes that I have now rectified. As for my brother, I tried very hard to convince him to buy something else, but he let the salesman talk him into the Ruger for some reason.
>he thinks they mill Heritage revolvers
Bru they're cast pot metal. I mean, they're good guns for the price and they're durable for the materials used, but they're still pot metal.
> Hurr I found a story about something on the interwebs.
To bad everyone loves shitting on everything and you don't see stories like
> shot my single six today, went fine.
> shot my blackhawk today, groupings we're a little wide but overall pretty fun day.
> shot my 629, went good.
Because there would be literally millions of stories like that and no one cares.
thats the point. the target sight is installed by milling about half the thickness of the cast topstrap away. the birdshead has irl taken more gun food and is running like a champ.
I bought a S&W 686 3" a few months back. On the last round in the cylinder, the whole trigger assembly would "stick" halfway through the trigger pull. I would have to maintain constant pressure on the trigger for 1-2 seconds for it to finally complete and let the hammer fall. This was only in DA, though, which was all that I used or intended to use. In SA it seemed to work just fine.
I didn't want to deal with customer service so I just resold it with full disclosure. Oh well.
Maybe because your brother isn't a dipshit. Hmm should I listen to someone who has REAL experience with said guns or my dumbass lover who shit posts on 4chan all fucking day.
The other 3/5 havnt broken because you learned your lesson not to fuck them up with your custom cylinder jobs.
the thing its doesnt stick or anything odd it just stovepipes. textbook stovepipes too with the brass pointing up and the second bullet in the chamber. i dont have access to the gun right now cant take pictures but its exactly like this everytime it fucks up with the fired case stopping the slide from closing and the second case trying to chamber. ive gotten pretty fast at clearing them.
whenever it starts frequently jamming i replace the recoil spring and extractor spring. ive also replaced the extractor itself. all parts are factory cz
i havent replaced the ejector since its part of the searcage and too much of a pain in the ass
after i replace parts the gun will run fine for 1k maybe 1-2 malfunctions during the first case. after 1k it starts stovepiping maybe once every 1-200 rounds past 1.5k it starts stovepiping at least once a magazine
its not the ammo cause it happens with all brands and its factory ammo
its not the mags cause it shares mags with another cz and that ones been flawless
it gets cleaned every range trip and detail stripped after it starts fucking up. i do remove the gunk under the extractor.
cant tell you exactly what parts are wearing out or the order cause i dont know.
all i can say is replacing the recoil and extractor spring fix the issue until X wears out again. however whatever is wearing out is wearing out too damn fast. with a good gun the recoil spring should have made it to a minimum of 5k before even considering replacement
i dont treat it like a high volume shooter either since ive got other handguns it gets 1-2 boxes a range trip
That's a stovepipe resulting from short-stroking a touch.
Basically the extractor doesn't push the casing far enough to properly clear the next round, because the slide doesn't go far enough. I ensure you that if you rack the slide vigorously, it'll fling a round a few feet.
Is there any odd wear on the guide rod? If so, your guide-rod hole is off-center.
Don't feel like typing out the whole story but I had issues with a kimber TLE II and the company wanted me to pay $350 for a new slide even though it was still under warranty. The "stainless" barrel also rusted like a motherfucker and the hammer had a bigass casting flaw.
But it doesn't... The extractor hooks the cartridge rim and pulls it free of the chamber.
The ejector is that fixed prong on the frame of the slide (or attached to an insert), it hits the casing as the slide brings it back, jettisons it clear of the next round.
The extractor's that little thing in the side of the slide.
Both are pointed out for your convenience.
what anon typed implied that the extractor is failing to push the casing
and as you said its the ejector that does the pushing
4chans full of idiots so you take any advice you get with a grain of salt and all that dudes said points to him being full of shit.
something like lapping the slide rails might help on a new gun but it wont help a gun with a decent round count thats already broken in
Ruger "fixed" my gun too. It cost me $55 shipping and about 2 months of not having it. When they finally sent it back to me, the gun started binding up again after only a small amount of shooting, so it hadn't been properly fixed.
Metal-on-metal is extremely slow, it may not have had enough rounds thru it to wear it down sufficiently. If two metals are the same and neither are particularly soft, then they'll wear very slowly.
Lapping will speed it up... And it's not like it'll kill it, it's worth a shot at least.
We're busy as fuck. Your form needs to be pending by July 13th to beat the 41P bullshit for trusts. The market will open up again for individuals since CLEO aren't part of the equation anymore.
please elaborate why you think that silde rail play would cause stovepiping instead on one of the simple explanations like a bad ejector or extractor
if this was a matter of the slide binding up or slowing down that would cause other issues but none of them would be stovepipes
It's not slide-rail play. It's a lack OF it.
Slide-rail clearance is a tricky thing; too little and it sticks, binds. In a given area it'll be stiffer if the rails aren't perfect. Too much, and the slide rattles and clatters; excessive wear happens. Does the slide rattle when the mag is out?
what part of i dont have the gun right now do you not understand?
you still havent explained why that would cause stovepiping
i stick with my decision to ignore your advice but i am curious what makes you connect stovepiping with slide rails
Model 63 that had bad cylinder timing from the factory. Sent it in and had it back in ~2 weeks at no cost to me.
455 that had an awful looking crown. Shot fine though so I never sent it in.
Was wondering if you remembered offhand. Apparently not.
Well, if the rear of the slide's rails are even SLIGHTLY cut undersize, then it'll stick/stop- if the binding is at a given place, then it'll always stop there- any change can shorten that distance- an extractor wearing can let it sit more forward, add that TINY bit of extra space.
It was just a theory. May wanna examine it closely when you get hold of it next.
Had an issue with a Sig P229
>Buy brand new P229
>Go to the range
>Put first mag through
>Failure to extract
>Clear it and try again
>Another failure to extract
This happened every mag. Put another 500~ through it because "muh break in" meme but it kept doing it. So I took it to a gun smith and had him fuck with the extractor. Says he wasn't able to get it fixed. He was cool about it and didn't charge me because he couldn't solve the issue. Told me to send it to sig. Sent it to Sig. Get it back with a notice saying it had been fixed,
>take it to range
>fire 2 rounds
>failure to extract.
Yeah, not sure what to do now.
I bought a Uberti Brass in .357 from my lgs. I took it out and could hit a thing with it. I'm talking missing by yards from 10 yards out, not normal for me at least. When I was cleaning it, I found out that it had a pit and burr in the rifling. My lgs shipped it back to Taylor's for free and they shipped a completely different pistol back to me. Only problem is that it took 6 MONTHS to do. Taylor's kept saying they were waiting from parts from Uberti, but in the end they just sent me a completely different gun so I don't see why they didn't do that after a week or two. My new pistol shoots great now though.
>buy mossman 590A1 online
>pick up at LGS
>sight blazed on crooked
>magazine shell stop too big
>fails to feed more often than it actually feeds
>call mossbergenstein support line
>woman says she will send me whatever parts I want
>new barrel, shell stop, whatever
>can tell she is hurried and they have been having many QC issues pumping out guns to meet historic demand
>tell her I would rather send it all back and have them do it
>ok we will send a prepaid label
>arrives next day priority airmail
>ship it out day after
>get gun back in under two weeks
>new shell stop
>everything went better than expected
Bought a used 556xi
started to double fire by slipping the sear at the reset point, or if i managed to hold the trigger at the break point it could slip when the bolt hit home.
brought to the fun store i purchased it from and explained
they took it and shipped it to sig for me
had my gun back in about 2 weeks even.
sig replaced hammer/sear and gave me a whole new upper
spent zero dollars
Thats the reason you dont see people doing this shit in the US.
Its just like those clown murder videos or the fake fighting in an elevator. Its not really funny at all and if they tried it where people are concealed carrying they would get shot.
I personally would love to see the video of him getting shot.
> lol it's not really a bomb. Bombings don't happen in real life leellle
> bang pop boom
> Damn gun owners are evil! They didn't even know it was a bomb.
> It's profiling assuming the muslim looking guy is a bomber
> It's profiling dressing up as a muslim to be a bomber.
I don't really care if you don't believe me. This was two years ago so how you expect me to prove it, I have no idea.
Live the rest of your life in your fantasy world where you don't have an inferiority complex over your budget priced guns that you never shoot, then. To those of us who shoot our guns, Ruger is not a serious brand.
Grew up with SIGs. Never had a problem. P226 with probably entering 150K through it, admittedly- intensively cleaned regularly. Never had a problem, made in '88.
About 1K thru my P220, was a range gun with about 50,000 through it. No issues in it, either.
You got a shit one, m8. Sorry. FTEs seem like it'd be caused by an extractor spring being too soft/the hole being drilled a hair too deep, resulting in needing a longer spring for same tension.
The double feed almost never happens in terms of normal shotgun shooting numbers. Put 3000 rounds through an 870 in a summer, though, and you'll likely encounter it a few times. For sporting purposes, they're more than good. The Wingmasters in particular have handling and aesthetic characteristics that BTFO Mossbergs in the field. But, on this one potentially life-or-death issue, the 590/590A1's win.
Even with the flaw, I'd take an 870 to war over a Mossberg 500 or Maverick due to other issues with those guns.
you can force both 500s and 870s to double feed if you short stroke the gun
with a 500 its the second round will fall out the bottom if it doesnt fall out its still easy to dislodge with your finger
on the 870 its stuck and your supposed to push it forwards back into the mag tube thats why theyve got that cutout in the lifter
if you actually practice and dont shortstoke its a non issue
the hi points probably had bad mags or it was an ammo issue. The mags have shitty feed lips that bend easily and nearly always jam at full capacity before they break in (which takes a pretty high round count)
they can be curiously picky about ammo too, mine hates tula (who can blame it) and Winchester military ball as well as whitebox
My first firearm. a Ruger 10/22 tacticool model with no sights and a flash hider (Wish i had gotten one with sights...soon.jpg)
first time taking it apart, one of the take down pins ended up too thick, unable to fit back in the hole no matter which way you tried shoving it in. Called Ruger 'Bout it, and they sent me a replacement pin within a week for free.
FN is kinda rough to deal with. My FNP 45 was fucked out of box, you could pull the trigger all the way back and if you where real still with it the hammer wouldn't fall but if you gave it a shake it would. Sent it in, got fucked on shipping. They replaced some stuff and when I got it back it would light strife the primer a lot. Sent it back again and had to eat shipping costs. Third time it worked but all of the FN 45s are picky about ammo, WWB for example won't run in them. Regardless it would run with other ammo but the trigger pin would walk out. At this point I mushroomed out the pin to keep it in place and sold it, lucky this was after Sandy Hoax so I broke even on it even with the shipping I put out.
Bersa has issues. Ive retold the story several times on /k/ but the one Bersa thunder .380 i owned seemed like a decent little gun a first. The trigger was gritty and shitty but it shot and cycled well for the most part. Break in period of 300 rds. On 301 the transfer bar slipped causing catastrophic failure, broken trigger spring. Discharged as I was looking the gun over. It was a new gun so i calked customer service.
Bersa/Eagle was some of the worst customer service I've experienced with any product. They basically told me that their gun wouldn't fail like that and that they would charge to look at it, regardless of where/who I sent it to on their service list. Took the gun to a smith who repaired it for $10. I promptly sold it.
Not even once
Oh shit. I had the same problem with my TLE II. Brand new out of the box, it had rust. A few days later, more rust. Then there were shooting problems.
>failure to feed
I sent it back and they replaced the barrel. I sent it back again after the failures and stove piping and they just gave me a new gun.
All this is true, plus additionally that battery weighs a fuckload - so putting it in the very back of the car has a small, but actual affect on weight distribution and consequently handling. Is it massive? Fuck no. Does it let them say they did it for weight distribution? You bet.
Front sight on my 10/22 kept falling off, and the reciever was improperly drilled and tapped for a rail, so the rail wouldn't properly mount. Contacted Ruger, they picked it up from my house, and sent me a new rifle with the 50th anniversary bolt, 1 BX15, 1 BX25, and 1 BX10 mag in addition to the magazines I already had. They made it right, and it only took a total of 2 weeks to ship out and get back to me.
Smith & Wesson
I bought my anti-gun dad an M&P9C after he said that he applied for his CHL. At the time, S&W was doing a 3-free mag rebate as well as the $50 mil/leo rebate, and the gun itself was on sale for $400 at PSA with free shipping.
When I got the gun, I inspected it, oiled it, and took it to the range to see how it shot. I only brought along 50 rounds, because I didn't want to shoot too many rounds through it. The trigger was really fucking gritty, and that was properly pressing the safety. It started keyholding, and realized that the barrel crown was not machined properly.
Took MONTHS working with S&W to have them service it, and in the end they just gave me a new barrel. I ended up buying an Apex trigger, and gave it to my father.
Fuck LaRue and his man-child mentality.
Dildo dust? a shitty opener for fucking TWIST-OFF bottles???? I bet he needs such a device for his pussy-ass effeminate hands.
As to answer your question
LMT - No Compromise
BCM - Solid company, delivers the goods, I just dont like the fuckhuge billboard they put on all their products now, but thats nothing a Pro-series Sharpie cant fix.
DD - no experience with them, but almost all reviews I've read online praises them.
also look into Colt. people will shit on them and say 'FN has da contract' but fail to realize that military rifles =/= commercial rifles. They cannot use knowledge gained from Govt spec sheets to sell for profit in non-govt sales. Read about it elsewhere. It burst my bubble as well.....
You obviously do care alot to keep pushing the issue.
> All I do is imply shit.
To people who know and shoot revolvers ruger is as serious as it gets. Fuck back off to your airshit no gunz.
Right from FN, they talk about how the magazine is built to be right on the edge of spec for OAL and cheap stuff like WWB is right on the edge as well. It jams up the mags. Google it
I have thoroughly reviewed the ATF's rules and regulations on shipping handguns, and they are very clear on these matters.
USPS - "It is illegal to use USPS to ship handguns"
UPS/FedEx - "It is not illegal to use Common Carriers to ship handguns"
>UPS/FedEx internal rules:
"It is against the rules to ship handguns through any of UPS/FedEx's services other than Next Day Air with signature required, and they must be shipped through an official UPS/FedEx distribution center (and not a UPS Store/Kinkos/licensee location)."
You might be thinking, "gee, doesn't that mean that a smart person such as myself can just ship handguns via UPS Ground and it's not technically illegal?" You probably are thinking that, and the reason you're thinking that is because you're ignorant.
"You must inform all carriers of the package contents when you are shipping a gun."
This effectively gives UPS/FedEx's rules the force of law.
18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5), 922 (a)(2)(A) and 922(e), 27 CFR 178.31, 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30
OR MAYBE I MISSED SOMETHING, IN WHICH CASE I ENCOURAGE YOU TO POINT OUT SPECIFICS INSTEAD OF STANDING ON THE SIDELINES ACTING LIKE YOU KNOW SOMETHING WHEN YOU ACTUALLY DON'T, YOU FUCKING IDIOT.
Had to send my 4506 into S&W to have extractor and recoil spring replaced after over 10K rounds. Free of charge, they paid shipping
Bought this shitty clone m-16, 22lr. Has Walther, Colt, and umarex stamped on it so I don't even fucking know.
>fails to feed
>won't eject unless it's fired, pulling the bolt does nothing
>the screws holding the receiver together are all different, meaning different lengths, head sizes, all of it
>gets very, very dirty very fast
At least it's pretty accurate.
>pic related, rifle on the bottom
Then there's this p22. For 200 rounds, it fails to fire, feed, eject, all of it.
Tried every ammo type I could get, no change.
Send it back, after 2 months get it back, only to learn they fired a few mags with no issue.
Take it to range again, works badass with CCI minimag only
All my other guns are great.
>two Umarex products are shit
Gee who'da thunk it
Also since you seem confused about all the roll marks marks on your Colt, here's a tl;dr
>Umarex, an air gun manufacturer, bought Walther years ago
>they didn't fuck with Walther at all, but began using their name to sell their own products
>FYI Walther is fantastic, their factory is in Ulm and all genuine Walther-produced guns are proofed with an antlers mark. Umarex is shit, their factory is in Koln and all their guns are proofed with three crowns. Any "Walther" proofed with the Koln mark is actually an Umarex
>Umarex got a good business going making shitty .22s and branding them "Walther" (their first one was the P22)
>other companies started hiring them to make .22 replicas of their guns, because even though they're shitty they're cool and sell well
>examples are the .22 versions Colt's M16 and M5, HK's MP5 and G36, the S&W M&P22 (full size only, the Compact is made by S&W and is much higher quality), and the IWI Uzi
>you should therefore avoid any .22 copy of a cool gun marked "made by Walther", because it's a pile of Umarex junk
As I type this I don't blame you at all because I really, really want one of those .22 Uzis
>shoulda got them to send you a return label.
I did try. I even called back several times, each time asking a different person, but none of them would cave. As I mentioned earlier, the prepaid return label just isn't a thing for the New Hampshire revolver division. That's something that they do in Prescott, AZ.
>woulda been cheap as fuck because they more than likely woulda sent it USPS because they can.
Even when shipping a handgun back to the manufacturer, you have to go through an FFL if you want to use USPS.
Let me put it like this. There are three Ruger owners in my family. Me, my brother and my father. I've sold all mine, but for this example, that doesn't matter. Of those three Ruger owners in my family, two of us have now experienced debilitating issues with our Ruger revolvers. I have already dealt with Ruger customer service and been let down by them. My brother hasn't done that yet - I hope that he is treated well, but I don't know.
It may be the case that the cylinder locking up on Rugers is as rare of an issue to get as winning the lottery or getting struck by lightning is to happen. However, that is also irrelevant. The title of the thread and topic of conversation is "share your personal experiences." It's not "cow to the bandwagon and express only /k/-approved opinions that won't offend fervent Ruger fanboys." It's "share your experiences." These are my experiences. There are clearly a couple people here who can't deal with the fact that not everybody has exactly the same experiences in life as they do. I would strongly recommend to those people that you get psychological help soon, before it's too late and you just snap.
In the meantime, like I said, I've lost faith in Ruger revolvers. My experience with their semi-autos, ironically, has been much better. Aside from the magazine issue on my LCP which was basically solved by the folks in AZ (kind of jerry-rigged), I've owned other Ruger semi-autos, and they all ran great.
Well the m16 is perpetually shit.
But with the right ammo, the p22 works very good.
Even taught my anti gun aunt to shoot with it. Both are tack drivers, but I've for sure learned my lesson.
The m16 I bought before I knew anything really.
And yeah, they have a bunch of clone .22's.
Uzi, all that cool shit. But I won't buy any of them
Re-reading the thread, several people posted about issues with Ruger, and nobody cared. There were three posts about problems with the P89, SR45, and 1911.
People only started shitting all over you and your story because you started comparing Ruger to Taurus, calling them a shit company, and insulting everyone who didn't agree with you. Your statement, "That is a failure rate of 40% of all Ruger revolvers I have owned or come into contact with, in case you were keeping track." also rustled some jimmies as you seem to think that means anything in the grand scheme of things.
I think this is less of a case of Ruger fanboys (for whatever reason) ignoring every other Ruger complaint and just latching onto yours as some sort of conspiracy and more you coming across as a dick and trying to pass off your very, very limited experience with the brand as an overall representation.
Even if it were true that no one here cared what I think, that's not what "being unreasonable" means. What you describe would be called being insensitive to social cues. However, I take issue with your premise. The sheer number of replies I've gotten proves that many people here care what I have to say.
I've been very civil throughout this thread, only attacking people who rudely attacked me. I would say that the comparison to Taurus is completely valid. As for me pointing out the failure rate, the only reason I felt the need to do that is because when I posted my story in a past thread, some doofus chimed in that I only had "two problems in 11 years," so clearly some people on /k/ need a little help when it comes to interpreting numbers.
Sometimes it takes an apostate to tell you about the true problems in a religion.
So your just shit posting for (you)s. Okey buddy here your go (you) (you) (you) (you) (you) (you) (you).
Hope it fills the hole your ex lover left in you when he left you for ruger.
Ah you must mean the ISSC MK22. It's made by GSG, who isn't nearly as bad as Umarex, but still isn't the best.
The MK22 is at least quality enough that Anschutz sells a tuned version called the RX22.
The MK22 isn't officially an FN product or endorsed by FN in any way. ISSC just thought the SCAR aesthetic was neat and thought people may want a boxy .22
the fact that unlike the 18 forum posts that were successfully resolved by Ruger, "ruger customer service let me down!" should tell you that you actually are so stupid that you managed to break two rugers AND so stupid that you actually told them you broke the guns acting like a dumbass doing something the manual tells you not too. Then were too cheap to pay the piper and have the factory fix your gun. Then, not understanding cause and effect, you did the same damn thing to a second gun.
I'm assuming you spun and flicked the gun closed one too many times, ruined the pawl or fucked the rachet, and probably bent your cylinder pin.
Life lesson madfag, when you break something with a "limited manufacturer warranty" or hell any warranty that doesn't explicitly say "we'll replace this if you break it in half lol yolo" don't tell them about how you saw some cool shit in CoD and tried it repeatedly.
you said your guns locked up. that means you bent the base pin or fucked the pawl. Or both. Because you broke your gun.
I flat out told the women over the phone that I fucked up and dropped my loaded LCP on its muzzle, causing a piece of the dustcover to break off. They sent me a prepaid label, replaced the frame, replaced all the springs and some small parts (disassembly pin, mag catch, etc), and send it back two weeks later for no charge.
To give anon the benefit of the doubt though, I have heard the guys up in NH who handle revolver, 10/22 and bolt-action repairs aren't nearly as accommodating as the people in AZ, who do all the pistol/AR stuff. Remember Ruger is two different factories in two different states with two different sets of people staffing them and handling repairs.
Saying it over and over doesn't make it true. The revolver that I owned, and the revolver that my brother owns were defective from the factory. All the people who posted the hundreds of stories you'll find in a simple Google search also received defective revolvers. It's a common issue. Another person in the thread posted that he also had the same issue.
>nah bruvah, YOU did dat!
Go play in traffic.
Okay? Well I didn't record the call, all I have is a few pics of the pistol when it was returned to me, along with an invoice.
Are you implying I'm lying about the service or something?
So your admitting that you made up the while story and just based it off some shit you read when you Googled "revolver problems" and now can't possibly be caught in a lie on an anonymous board.
Your story has changed like 4 times. You own guns that you don't own and don't buy ones you buy and only shoot when necessary.
Like honestly you've spouted like 75% canned bullshit you've read from other threads.
Hurr if your gun doesn't cost $1800 dollars you obviously never shoot it.
Ruger revolvers make the best range revolvers due to the fact that they almost never shit the bed, handle any load. And if one does manage to break one they can have it fixed for free.
>defective from factory
you keep saying that like it's true. ruger replaced or fixed them for everyone else, why not you? Because you broke it doing something retarded. IE bending your cylinder pin flicking it closed like cool dudes do in movies; the people with out of spec pistols got the issues resolved m8
Everyone else with defective rugers
>get free shipping label
>shipped to door
>REEEEEE RUGER IS SHIT I BROKE MY GUN AND THE EVIL RUGER PEOPLE WANTED ME TO PAY TO GET IT FIXED RUGER FUCKING SHITS!
you're the odd man out. What's more likely, that everyone is lying assholes or that you're the asshole? I assume you commonly have problems like this
Why should I believe that you have a mental illness and aren't being deliberately obtuse in order to provoke me? I'm trying to empathize with you here, but you've made it very difficult.
then how come they wouldn't instantly fix it like everyone else? Because it wasn't "defective" buddy, you just damaged it.
how your story would go if you didn't leave out the part about the defect only showing up when you broke your pawl/chipped the rachet/bent the cylinder pin
>Hi ruger? i have a gp100 and it's doing a thing
This is why I think you have a mental illness. Your argument doesn't have rational consistency. Let me demonstrate very briefly with facts that I think we both agree on.
Fact 1: My gun had a problem.
Fact 2: Other people searchable by Google had the same problem.
Fact 3: I called Ruger and negotiated the return of the revolver.
Fact 4: I paid out of pocket to have it shipped back.
In order for your argument to work, then it would be necessary for Ruger to know whether or not it was a defect or a modification prior to me shipping the gun to them, which is impossible. In the events that we both agree on, it is impossible for Ruger to have denied me shipping compensation because they conclusively knew that it wasn't a defect. Hence, you're not even giving fair consideration to the shit that you type out at me, but somehow you expect me to give fair consideration to this tripe?
If you want to hear the real story (which you don't, but here it is anyway), Ruger denied shipping compensation because they claimed the gun was "too old." They would only compensate shipping if it was of more recent manufacture, with strong implication that me not being the original owner was another factor involved in that decision. This is one of the problems with not having a clearly delineated warranty policy, though, which Ruger doesn't have. A lot of their customer support decisions end up being somewhat arbitrary.
>idiot buys broken revolver from someone
>angry that the company fixes it for you but you had to pay ~$10
>this somehow means ruger is shit and that their customer service is bad
so yes to "maybe you're just an asshole instead of everyone you meet being assholes"
I'm going to do a favor for you because I'm feeling nice. Here's what I'll say, I'm going to admit the possibility that the "new old stock" Super Redhawk I purchased had somehow been modified prior to me purchasing it. As for parts being broken or bent, no, that is not what Ruger determined to be wrong with it. The problem was the cylinder gap clearance being out of spec, and so it's possible that a prior owner had replaced the cylinder with one not originally intended for that particular frame. Why someone would have replaced the cylinder, I have no idea, but it's not an impossibility and I have no way to guarantee that this wasn't done.
Now what you have to deal with is the fact that my brother's SP101 WAS purchased new, and that he takes care of his revolvers and doesn't modify them. I can absolutely guarantee that his revolver came defective straight from the factory, and there's nothing you can say that will change that.
>be your brother
>it suffers from a known defect
>ruger fixes it
>your brother still owns it and several rugers
>as does your father
>because they aren't retarded assholes
your story is a perfect storm of why ruger is godtier
>angry that they suggested rightly that your "defect" was caused by being the 4th owner of some burner home gunsmith bubba'd and passed the fuckup on to you
>angry they fixed it for free
You are now aware that fucking up the cylinder pin and basically any part around a cylinder can close the gap between cylinder and forcing cone. That may have been where the friction was stopping the cylinder from moving, but not the cause. Heats up from over shooting hahahahahahahahaaaaaaa how much were you shooting exactly? You must be fast as fuck with those reloads. Also how old was it? It worked fine for the 20+ something years before you got your cheeto hands on it. Obviously you did something to fuck it up.
I like how new details suddenly arise after a day of shit posting. Damage control harder faggot.
Hopefully they will fix it for him for free. They did not fix mine for completely free. It's sad that you feel the need to act as RIDF every time somebody describes a crappy dealing that they've had with this company, since it just illustrates what I point out earlier, that Ruger owners tend to get emotionally-invested in their guns, and you become irrational very easily when something contradicts your preconceived world view.
Get psychological help soon.
Goddammit, stop fucking replying and let the thread die.
You gobble down this guys bait like a swede does with somali dicks.
/K/ proves once again it's the easiest board to troll.
>angry that a company does a major repair for free on a used gun over 20 years old but made you pay initial shipping
do you happen to speak to a lot of managers and shout at low level drone employees too? you are a testament to how much of a madfag cunt you can be yet still have ruger put up with idiocy and bubba'd guns.
>It's sad that you feel the need to act as RIDF every time somebody describes a crappy dealing that they've had with this company
Not him, but as someone else pointed out, out of all the Ruger complaints in this thread yours is the only one people had a problem with.
Anyone else remember the guy who posted here a couple years back complaining about Taurus customer service?
>guy buys old Taurus .38 for $100 without checking it out at all
>surprise surprise, it's fucked up as shit; the firing pin strikes everywhere on the cylinder face except the primer
>guy sends it back to Taurus
>Taurus says they haven't made this model since the 80s so they don't have parts to fix it, offer a modern replacement for factory cost: $200
>guy flips the fuck out and can't believe they can't fix a revolver they haven't made in decades
>talks them down to $100 for the replacement, and is sent a brand new .38
>comes to /k/ to complain about shitty customer service
Like how >>28635787 was ignored?
>we can smell bullshit
You need to get your bullshit-o-meter calibrated, then. I have only described what has really happened to me.
>expecting irrational people to act rationally
I'm honestly not sure why you are pointing this out.
It was 12 years old, but actually that's not what pissed me off about the whole situation. The thing that made me angry was that they didn't fix it right.
>The thing that made me angry was that I bent the cylinder pin again
stop spinning and flicking your revolvers closed
I'm not the guy who thinks getting a decade old used gun fixed for free by the manufacturer is a bad thing anon.
if it worked when it left the factory the second time, then... get this... you broke it doing the same retarded shit that broke it in the first place.
give us a ballpark number of how many times post ruger repair you flicked the cylinder shut mananon
kek then how did you break it twice by bending the cylinder pin.
>describe malfunction that only happens from a certain type of abuse
>naw i never did that ruger just sucks they fixed my gun for free but it broke again fukkin ruger man ;_;
I had a Taiwanese prostitute place each round into each chamber while holding the round with his anus. The cylinder gate was closed by the force of the same prostitute getting an erection, and the cylinder was indexed with his nipples.
Just fuck off already.
I already told you repeatedly that the problem was a defect and not a result of mis-handling, but you keep asking me how many times I mis-handled the revolver.
>thinks he's being mature
How old are you, though, really? You're 14, right?
I own an old model ruger blackhawk that I will NEVER send to the factory. Why? It doesn't have the transfer bar safety installed. If they get their hands on it they will ruin it's perfect 1/4 lbs trigger pull.
you can just admit you bent the cylinderpin madanon. you left your pride behind a few hundred posts ago.
>inb4 I actually damaged the crane I'll have u know fuk ruger
and you admitted that it was a ran hard and put away wet used gun that someone replaced the cylinder on in a bubba's home gun smithing event. If they replaced the damn cylinder with a factory one, tested it with a feeler gauge, shot it, then sent it back you, then if it is broken you broke it. potentially for the second damn time.
Lol only 75% of those are me. Like always. And now that the threads dying I can tell you you've almost convinced me you own atleast 1 gun. Still unconvinced of your story.
Hate to be this guy buy damn your easily trolled. Mad bros usually are.