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1. Where does Russia get the money from to keep financing this stuff?

2. Could the "Ratnik" really cause a combat effectiveness twice better when compared to usually equipped soldiers?

3. Can Russian inf BTFO US inf? vs. chinese inf?
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>>28577944
1. Where does Russia get the money from to keep financing this stuff?

they really don't will most likely be equipped for few elite units , claimed superiority and called the day

>2. Could the "Ratnik" really cause a combat effectiveness twice better when compared to usually equipped soldiers?

good NCO and CO will cause twice the effectiveness of infantry not some magic bullet solution

>Can Russian inf BTFO US inf? vs. chinese inf?

in hi-intensity war victor will be set before infantry will even meet in any meaningful engagement and only formality will remain
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>>28577944
>Where does Russia get the money from to keep financing this stuff?
from previous year, when the oil price isn't shit
even now they haven't do a full scale equipped the ratnik.
active unit only received part of the Ratnik like armor and helmet, important part like main gun, electronic are still being refine

>Could the "Ratnik" really cause a combat effectiveness twice better when compared to usually equipped soldiers
yes,
>Can Russian inf BTFO US inf? vs. chinese inf
US cann't fight a ground war
their artillery are shit, their SF got BTFO by sand nigger
chinese troop got BTFO by rice nigger
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>>28577944
>has GPS tagging on the uniforms
Neat, get on their frequencies and know all their positions. No Russians aren't going to rek America or even China, this is retarded and so is anyone that thinks Russia even stands a chance against America. We picked the wrong ally in ww2.
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>>28577944
Lets assume the "regular squad" of probable enemy is equiped with just a radio. Squad leader can give orders to the whole squad as well as check the status of individual battle unit aka solider, but he can simultaneously and dynamicly monitor the situation. In that regard - definitive yes. Tactical efficiency against such enemy would be collosal.
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>>28578021
that report is retard and is based on Russia Propaganda, theri way they sucking Izhmash show it
Russia don't use GPS for serious task
they have glonass
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>>28577997
You.... You do know russia went to Afghanistan and got BTFO there, right?

Russia cannot generally afford to fight
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>>28578044
sup
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>>28577944
The guy fourth from the leg has the same look I get when I wonder if I forgot to close the garage door when I leave
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>>28578044
I know what they use and its still retarded as fuck. You are building more reliance on technology and putting a harder strain on logistics. You think you're going to be charging your iPad if you're besieged or under attack? All this is fine and dandy until your tablet is captured and someone had access to everything another soldier would have, but instead of it being static its all live so they know the position of everything you have that is connected to the network. This may be good against third worlders anyone with a brain will find the huge weaknesses and exploit them. This is retarded but it will make it easier for countries like America and China to rek them.
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>>28577944
The absolute most of Russian military equipment is internally developed and produced for roubles.
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I have that ratnik armor vest, 6Б45. It's awesome, very well made piece of gear.
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>>28578058
>>28578075
You do know, they can use GLONASS also.

Hell iphones can use GLONASS.
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>>28578052
kd ratio in Afghanistan dont looks so bad actually.
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>>28578110
do you have the ballistic plate?
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>>28578110
Same, ratnik kit is fucking awesome. I really like it.
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>>28578052

you do realized that we backed osama against russians? it was more like "osama&usa" vs "cccp".

USA failed against the sand niggers with 30yo slavshit.
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>Where does Russia get the money from to keep financing this stuff?
I'm genuinely perplexed by your question. Do you even know how military industrial complex works? Current defense orders have been paid for up until 2020. Costs for research projects that won't see the light of day until next decade are already planned into federal budget. You will see brent skyrocketing to single digits while Russia will keep exponentially hoarding gold and pouring funds into hardware. That's the way it always unfolds in prelude to every big war.
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>>28578052
>BTFO
Soviet pushed kebabs to Pakistan border and left country when locals were ready to handle with situation. As they planned. They did not plan to spend 10 years teaching locals how to keep their shit. If that was "BTFO", then I don't know how to call what happened in Iraq and what is happening in Afghanistan now.
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>>28577976
>implying ISIS need refugee cover to enter europe
>implying ISIS don't want to focus all their troops to their so called capliphate
retard detected
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>>28579668
>actually believing that Soviet was not defeated in afghanistan
You're as embarrassing as the americans who believe USA was not defeated in Vietnam or Afghanistan.
Protip: everybody that have tried to rule afghanistan have been defeated
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>>28577944
>1. Where does Russia get the money from to keep financing this stuff?

Russian engineers, technicians, factory workers, they all get paid in the rubles. That alone drastically reduces the cost of acquisition of new hardware. Also, despite Saudi Arabia doing everything it can to artificially deflate the price of oil, Russia is still making a lot of money from it.
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>>28577944
>Where does Russia get the money from to keep financing this stuff?

How about... nowhere? From 90s thousands of Russian military projects was canceled. This will be canceled too.
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>>28579757
US did not accomplished their goals. Soviet did. SRSLY, it just took 10 years instead of 6 month. Looks like people think that Soviets tried to made from Afghanistan another Soviet Republic like with Balts, no they did not want that.
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>>28579816
>secure the main towns
>stabilize the governemnt,
>train up the afghan army and police

They failed all of those. Stop trying. The soviet war in afghanistan was as much as a failure as the US war in afghanistan. or vietnam, or iraq.
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because our politicians are satanic pedofiles who siphon all of our military funding into purposely overvalued programs instead of equipping our infantry with what they need. its pathetic. we're still using garbage rails and garbage calibers.
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>>28579811
>80k kits delivered into troops
>its all over guys im telling you
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>>28579009
You should have gotten a bigger one you fat fuck
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>>28577944

>5.45
>Still heavier than 5.56 rifles that uses heavier round and larger barrel

Why does Russia can't into high tech anons?
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>>28580625

But it literally didn't happen...

Only some armor and helmets were delievered to armed forces and those were for special units mostly.

Vast majority of the Russian army still goes around with 70-80s equipments.
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>>28580804
Thanks you non ratnik owner, for telling me how my gear should fit. It fits fine and the plates cover the vitals. I appreciate it familia.
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>>28582266

>It is suppose to be this way
>Plate covers vitals
>Plate doesn't cover digestive systems

It is shit anon.
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>>28577944
AS they were listing off all the components for the Ratnik was all the shit that grunts could accidentally lose
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>>28578110
>>28579009
Where do you get them and the plates to go in them?
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>>28578021
The U.S. has a thing picked out for this also.

Just putting that out there.
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>>28582266
I have a 6b46 Ratnik BZN plate carrier
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>>28582707
the russian convicts sell the all over the internet that's how the russian army works, i used to buy stuff from them when my country was communist and the were all over the place
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>>28582843
I have level 4 ceramic composite plates for it, it nearly impossible to get the titanium armor
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>>28582576
Plates aren't supposed to cover the digestive system.
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>>28582707
Normal sapis fit in them, 10x12. It also fits correctly
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>>28582576
>doesn't cover digestive system
Nokit gtfo
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Ratnik is Russia in 2015 trying to catch up to the US in 2009. Difference is, the US has that level of gear default, for all units, in Russia its limited to prototypes and the occasional SF.

Titanium is the best example. Russians hold it up like itws worth a damn; but it's simply Russia taking advantage of local deposits because it can't into advanced ceramics, let alone basic bitch ceramics like boron carbide sintering that the USA uses for every single plate in the military.
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>>28578021
> hurr what is encryption
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>>28582576
>mfw
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>>28578052
Glonass is a joke. Come to think of it, I fail to remember *anything* Russians designed that isn't a joke, or a steal (two big items off the top of my head: Tu-4 and Tu-144). Notable exception is their early space program, but it's all fizzled out by now, and Roscosmos has been effectively neutered by recent oil price changes.
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>>28582576
>I don't know what I'm talking about but I insist I do.
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>>28589004
>Tu-144
>steal
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I fucking love the "Russia is broke and can't even pay for one potato sack" meme.
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>>28578110
How do you identify real Ratnik gear vs. airshit copies?
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>>28578077
Jesus Christ what is a power bank?
Also what are passcodes and encryption?
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>>28578058
>HOW DARE THEY FLY A TRAINING AIRCRAFT FROM THE 60'S WITH AMERICAN GPS?!
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>>28591094
thats su 24 over syria
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>>28577944
Because they don't import anything to make the military hardware expect for the tooling machinery and even that i'm not so sure. I'm basing this on the fact i saw some JCB excavators in Moscow.
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>>28591094
The fact that they rely on garmins at all is hilarious anon.

This is russia, not angola.
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>>28591121
You're gonna have to prove that, because i'm sure that a screencap from a refueling exercise that took place in Murmansk. The Su-24s in Syria come from Murmansk as well, so i guess that's where people make the connection, but guess what? Cadets are trained in Murmansk.
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>>28582793
It's not hard to counter or totally defeat. If I can figure something out in minutes undoubtedly the DARPA has this best by a mile.
>>28585204
Encryption will slow your transfer rates so your live maps wouldn't actually be live, also that would be totally irrelevant if someone got their hands on a device and was able to access the keys they are using then they can access your shit from anywhere. The options are endless with networked systems, ask the Chinese.
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>>28591143
Russian airforce has more combat aircraft in service than all of Africa and Latin America combined. Putting some expensive HUD on aircraft that will never see battle is not only a waste of money it's stupidity.
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>>28591121
lolno, that pics been around since before the Syrian Civil War.
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>"x has alot of electronicy type stuff that makes beeps and boops and such".
>"Can x BTFO of y?"
Manbaby question: denied.
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>>28582707
Armor wests and plates were in public market officially. Then people from Novorossia began to buy too much stuff and manufacture closed his little shop.
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>>28579757
Mongols cleared Afghanistan once. It respawned tho
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Let me tell explain to you what is Ratnik exactly:

The Ratnik is a name of program which is based on modular design of modern\future soldier.

Including systems:
-protection gear:
-firearms:
-communication& command&optics and others stuffs:

The protection gear program is completely finished in 2013-14.
The fire arms program should've finished in 2015, but for some reason MOD failed and final decision will be in 2016. The same goes for electronic component.
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>>28578058
>Garmin
>Utilizes the 24 satellites put into orbit by the US Department of Defense.
>Their GPS is controlled by the US Department of Defense.
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Armour component including:

-6B47 helmet
-6B45 armour vest
-additional armour plates on the shoulders and body sides and groin.
-protection for elbows, knees and so on.
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>>28591177
You train how you fight anon.

Its not stupid nor wasteful.
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>>28591255
forgot protection glasses 6B50
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>>28591177
US airforce has twice the combat aircraft of the Russian airforce, yet it has no trouble giving pilots a heads up display.
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>>28591243
That's because the stuff still in development and if they feel like they can make it better, they will continue doing it till they get it right.
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>>28578058
>>28591121

keep repeating this bullshit

old picture from Russia, refueling during training/reserve exercise in some military academy
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The fire arms component including new assault rifles with calibre 5.45x39 and 7.62x39
New sniper rifle such as SVDM, Vintorez, sniper rifles with calibre 12.7mm.
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>>28591293
See

>>28591143
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>>28591318
pretty much everything on the photo.
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The electronic component for ordinary infantry soldier.

combined image from NV and TV cameras in one picture
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>>28591333

keep using old, cherrypicked or completely out of context pics to prove your delusions about the current state of russian military
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>>28591377
command table for aiming aircraft\artillery fire and seeing allies troops and many many others functions
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>>28591377
The wonders of reverse engineering. Xaxaxa.
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>>28591393
The pic is not that old, nor is there any personal delusions about the horrid state of the RU mil.
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The basic component of radio\satellite communication system with open architecture. You can add to this systems others components such as electronic binocular, make photo or video and send it to HQ.

Should i continue? There is a lot of stuffs in ratnik program.
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>>28591425

keep posting your bullshit
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>>28591399
>1911

for what purpose
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>>28591438
yes please
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>>28581861
the entire russian army is equipped with 6b27 helmets, 6b23 vests and digital camo like precisely what you saw on crimean green people. i fail to comprehend your obstinate urge to be retarded and spout uninformed nonsense on the internet
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>>28591500
It's a Glock 17. It's the only foreign pistol FSB has imported.
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>>28591500
the tt33 is a slavified browning pistol
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>>28579731
fuck off JIDF
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>>28591292
nope
because they are sucking Izhmash didk and delay the adoption of the 6P66 and 6P67
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>>28578021
Like you haven't heard of Rippentopf-Molotov pact? Now if they stayed together, they wouldve conquered the world, besides old uncle Joe hated fags and juden too. Expect Hitler was like emo closet jew and had to back stab stalin.
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>>28578331
Yep, have plates. Gonna buy 6b43 now.
>>28590962
Sorry, never saw airshit copies.
>>28582707
I guess some guys just steal this shit from army and then sell it. Pretty sad that you can buy the vest for 15k roubles while the army buys it for 50k.
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>>28582843
Where you got that? It's very rare even in russia, all you can get is airship copies.
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>infantry vs other infantry
protip: if this happens you are doing something wrong
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>>28592417
Here are my plates.
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How bout no.
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>>28592526
i bet that guy watches his picture today and say "oh jesus i look like a fucking retard"
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>>28592566
he looks cool as fuck though?
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>>28592566

>not looking like a retard everyday

What are you, not autistic? Fucking christ.
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>>28578289
By that logic, take a second to look at the "kd" ratio in Vietnam. We wrecked the shit out of some chinks.

Also, just saying, war is about more than who kills at a higher ratio. The U.S. has a good number of comparable systems, coupled with more comprehensive supports (like some of the most ridiculous air support capabilities.)

Really, this is all just speculation bs. Nobody can really know until the shtf.
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>>28592605
sometime i create a full set of medieval armor made of cardboar and other dude does the same and we basically kick the shit out of eachother with a stick or somethign
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>>28579816

The problem of Afghanistan is that it cant sustain a strong-enough central government. The resources are spare, there are a lot of tribes fighting for dominance, and all are trapped within the same hole. It is more urbanized that it has ever been, but the reality is that Afghanistan cannot be beaten into shape by any civilized government. It can only be tamed.
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>>28592426
I tricked Tehinkom
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>>28592437
Chances are those are dummy plates and a vest
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>>28577944
Where were you when stalker became real?
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>>28593187
this tho.
muh dick
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>>28582576
Spotted the retard
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>>28591399
>All that American equipment.
They're supposed to better than us though.
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>>28593187
Looks like it's still in concept art phase. Probably be released in 2099.
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>>28593119
The plates are real.
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>>28577997
>chinese troop got BTFO by rice nigger

Was that the Cambodian War?

Yeah, China left because they didn't give a fuck.

If you're talking about the Sino-Indian War, 2:1 losses Indians to Chinese.
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>>28597020
>All that American equipment
they are SF dude, they can operate with whatever they feel comfortable with.

During the georgian war some RU SF cast away their AK's because they felt the AR platform was more comfortable.
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>>28591243
Looks like propaganda bullshit to me
>rifle plates that can stop up to 10 rounds of 7.62x54r API
>highest Russian armor rating only requires stopping 3 rounds
>pictures of the plates for the Ratnik equipment on the internet show them having a rating of 5a which is only rated to stop 3 rounds of 7.62x39mm API, protection level would be slightly above US SAPI plates and below the ESAPI plates currently issued
>lists weight of XL ACH for the American helmet weight to make it seem as heavy as possible, I'm 6' 2" and my head isn't even that big
>fails to mention that the 6B47 is as light as it is because it's significantly weaker and is only rated to stop up to 9x18mm Makarov while as the ACH is rated to stop up to .44 magnum and the ECH that is replacing it and weighs the same will stop 7.62x39mm
>ballistic jumpsuit made out of aramid fiber thick enough to stop fragments and functional at 50 C/122 F
>implying soldiers won't die of heat stroke at those temperatures due to that jumpsuit
>"assault configuration" with rifle plates on shoulders, lower back, and groin in addition to front back and side plates
>implying soldiers would willingly carry that much weight in plates
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>>28601221
See pic.
There are 6a plates for 6b43 and 5a plates for 6b45.
That aramid suit is that awesome.
No plates on shoulders, you got that wrong.
Soldiers have a lightweight 6b45. That assault kit i meant to be used over short peroids of time to assault fortified positions.
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>>28601221

That kind of heavy armor suit would work very well in russian doctrine. They favor direct action with heavily armored troops, See: all their face shields they currently issue and heavy armor as well as a focus on thermobaric weapons. Especially with extensive mechanization this would be great for planned assaults.
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>>28601324
>There are 6a plates for 6b43 and 5a plates for 6b45.
That's nice, those 6a plates aren't what's getting issued though.

>No plates on shoulders, you got that wrong.
That's what the propaganda picture claims.

>>28601379
>See: all their face shields they currently issue
You mean the face shields that don't get issued to many people?
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>>28601446
Why are they not issued? I can buy some right now and i think there is quite a number already since 6b43 was produced before 6b45.
That pic is retarded and probably outdated, yeah. Tehinkom is not even referred as a source.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBk192D5i3k
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>>28597593
China-Vietnam Border war
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>>28601221
Point blank. The standards are based on point blank shots estimates. As long as you avoid being hit from SVD at five yards distance, you're fine.
Considering it's weight/protection ratio, 6b45 is probably the best plate in the world right now.
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what I know is that only the armors were massively produced, I still have a little idea about their communication systems, and their individual computers and all those things. They are shown of course but I don't really see them being massively issued yet, well they were planning to completely modernize the army by 70% by 2020 but well we'll see in 2020, but for now I only see their armors and their helmets being massively issued even though most soldiers still go around wearing the older 6B23 body armor but yeah many are already wearing the 6B43/45 and 6B47.
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And I must admit 6B23 isn't really a good body armor. The plate is located too low on the chest so it doesn't cover the more upper part of the chest and the back only has a soft armor and no plates but you can always put in a plate in there for extra but most 6B23s that are issued are plateless in the back.
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>>28603532
you forgot that B-32 is a AP round
not standard FMJ round for sniper
btw the SVDM is pure sex
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>>28591282
That's why the US spends seven times more.
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>>28603543
No one argues about 6b23 being a shit, lol. However you can get 6a/5a plates for it now.
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Another thread where amerifats spew their ignorant stupid bullshit

Guess your people get dumb when all they eat is junkfood and have shit tier education/healthcare

And no im not russian or chinese, everyone hates you not just them

BLM
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>>28600091
>During the georgian war some RU SF cast away their AK's because they felt
Sauce? Afaik Georgian troops themselves refused to work with AR-15s supplied by US. When a Georgian base was captured they found a veritable warehouse of unused/unopened boxes of AR-15s.
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>>28585164
>Titanium is the best example. Russians hold it up like itws worth a damn; but it's simply Russia taking advantage of local deposits because it can't into advanced ceramics, let alone basic bitch ceramics like boron carbide sintering that the USA uses for every single plate in the military.
The harder the ceramic plate the more brittle it gets- they have shit multi-hit capability against tight groupings- like bullets that come from an AN-94 or BARS derivative like that bitchin AK-107.
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>>28603834
Us supplied Georigian with Busmaster M4
those are pure shit
when Russian arrive, they found warehouse of M4, and AK, so some SF dude just took 2-3 M4 per person as war spoil
and those gun jam every 100 round
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>>28603895
Baited this easily? Russia dropped making titanium armor a long time ago. And russian ceramics is just as good if not better.
>>28603532
That pic doesn't look like shit multi-hit capability.
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