>implying anyone uses IRC
#MEG on Freenode
If you're on mobile look up AndroIRC for the app. Any questions, ask in the thread to get you set up.
For Ranger info, obviously.
All around SOF website. Great info and run by former/active members of every SOF unit. Mentor program. Also has forums for international SOF.
For all Army SF info.
For Navy Corpsman info.
This is an all-inclusive thread for MARSOC/Force Recon stuff. Good site for Marines info too.
For Coast Guard info. Good site, lots of vets able to answer questions.
Before you ask a question, check the FAQ
Which branch are you enlisting/enlisted/considering?
Ask questions, answer questions, bitch about recruiters, accuse each other of stolen valor. Just keep it contained to this general.
i have a pretty shitty work history, i don't have many references, i've moved around a lot in the past ten years, i have about $1500 in debt, i have 3 children out of wedlock, i spent the night in jail ten years ago, and my license history is pretty shaky.
should i even bother trying for a clearance or will they just laugh me out of the building? i already know i'm going to need a waiver for the night in jail
Any real corpsman in here? What does a sea/shore rotation look like, assuming I'm able to go FMF? It's easy for an ABH to say they'll be on an aircraft carrier, but since corpsman are rare on ships and it's peacetime, where do I get "deployed" to?
Right now I'm addicted to oxycodone and never got a home nurse.
I had my last surgery a day before my birthday last March, and the wound still hasn't healed. Gearing up for surgery number 3 now. I guess I should have answered my own question in "can I join the military".
>tfw I've been posting so much on /o/ and /arg/ that captcha has me do 5 steps
I've never done drugs, or have even been drunk. But I was in the hospital last month with severe pain, and got surgery, they were giving me morphine several times a day and I fell in love with it. I can see how people easily become addicted to this shit.
Goddam man that's awful. The surgeries, not the painkillers.
Mine healed up in just over a month during a trip to Germany.
The planeride there was hell. I sat on two pillows because I forgot to buy a donut.
captcha just gets stupid at night because of shitposting aussies and weekends because of underage kids
between 8am-6pm m-f i never have to solve a captcha. after that its street signs and mountains and noodles
>captcha ice cream
It's hard to sit down for a even a few minutes, and I need a cane to walk. I have a new surgeon and he says he could fix me... so I got a bit optimistic. I'm stuck at home trying to finish high school online, and I spent the entire day sleeping and bleeding.
Also, my folks bought me this thing after I found that donuts don't help me much. It works great, and at least I can drive when using it.
I know how you feel.. I had gallstones, had to get an ERCP. Which then caused Pancreatitis. Had to get that removed, then a week later got my gallbladder removed. Basically in and out of the hospital for 3 weeks. Was awful. But the morphine helped.
I'm glad I have insurance because I don't even want to know what the bill would look like.
Thank god for my dad's TriCare, I'll say that much.
Combined my mother (who nearly died from a rare tracheal disease), and my surgeries we would've cost $500k over the past 2 years.
We've only spent $5k in co-pays, drugs, etc.
>Why are POGs so fucking arrogant?
I have a former air force 'Food service specialist' coworker who only owns a .22lr pistol telling me with "A week of practice" on his weekends he would mop the floor with me at the local steel challenge match.
He's alluded to his military training being why he's so 'confident' before.
Why do grunts have an inferiority complex?
I just can't stand people that talk shit they know they can't back up. This guy is honestly trying to tell me he'll beat me at my own game because he was a chairfoce cook.
This chuckle fuck has never owned a gun other than his Ruger SR22, and he thinks he'd make a great serial killer because he watched Dexter and CSI.
He thinks he'd out shoot me with one weekend of training because he saw a video of me shooting a 3.16 second smoke and hope stage with my CZ75 and "That's slow, the targets are so big and close"
He also thinks he out shot my 298/300 qualification score for our company but "Can't remember his score"
>He would have had to shoot perfect 10's for 29 of 30 rounds then get a 9 ring hit to beat me
I'm 23, in great shape, 5'8, and really smart/fast at learning. I have no flying experience. Is there any guaranteed route to being a fighter pilot as long as I can prove myself in training? Like SEAL enlistment+BUDS or option 40+RASP?
I just wanna go fast
0311 here former. You're both being stupid. Just whip out each others dick and whoever is larger gets sucked.
Also, you have no right to call my pogs pogs. We in the infantry call them that, you standard civilians are less than.
Yup. My entire life is a meme. The only reason I went to college was because I was "supposed to." And the only reason I'm gonna finish is so I can use my uni's gym facilities to prepare me for the job I really want.
He's a pasty ginger fuck, you wouldn't want to.
Also thinks marrying a fat black chick makes him a man, and when I offered to let him use one of my handguns to back up his shit talking at a competition he just said it's too cold and shuffled away.
Low-bar squats are pretty good for your lower back as long as you have really strict form but squats/deadlift only work your abs in a stabilizing role. Any core work is going to better for your core than squats, or else people would be doing squats as core work.
>marrying a black chick
You can't fix stupid I guess.
If I wasn't a white guy with a white wifey I'd choose a nice juicy assed latina. Asian girl if I was desperate, but not a weeb.
Star bangle banner that bitch.
I didn't say 15 seconds was a good workout, I said it's a good exercise. The guy who posted it said it was for fatbodies so it's probably tuned to people who are in pretty bad shape. When I do russian twists I usually do sets of 100, no idea how long that takes me. 90 seconds/set?
why is it that lately I feel like i don't qualify as a man if I don't have some sort of military/combat experience under my belt?
Like if I go be an architect, no matter how successful I am, my girl's still gonna wish she was hot enough to nab an operator.
I am a high school senior and I just had an epiphany to join the air force (ROTC). Is this a good idea or am I mentally retarded and should kill myself
A dumb piece of shit.
It's gonna take some experimenting to figure out how many you should do in a set, don't copy my exact number. You might do better with more or less. They are a good oblique workout though to complement planks. Twists and planks are my favored ab exercises.
I think the debt is the only big issue in your post as far as clearances go. Just make sure you're completely honest on all the background check questions and you should be good.
>why do they even offer this to NG?
Because the Rep63 program is older than the 18x program and plenty of people make it through.
And 19th and 20th group deploy and send guys to CAG.
You're a fucking faggot and it's likely you've never even been to MEPS.
Looks like you get one fucking chance to do it right and if you fail they send you to whatever MOS they want. Unlikely to get a re-do.
Yes they do though it depends on the state.Though if you want to go 18x go AD why would you go 18x in the NG?
Yea it's fun depending on what type of job you do. And the 20 year retirement bonus is just a plus as well.
If you wanna go 18x you gotta go full commitment and that means obey the most pants on head retarded orders. I mean getting stationed in Cali is hell but you gotta do what you gotta do.
you clearly arent SF and most likely havent even seen an active duty member of the military. please stop talking.
why do you give a fuck if someone goes NG SF?
if anything, it's a better training experience because you dont get stuck in TRADOC waiting around for courses to start. NG has first dibs on slots since their unit is the one shelling out the money
also you can get pretty much any ancillary school you want once you get your green beret
go fuck yourself mate. stop talking about things you know nothing about
Are you for fucking real? "Better training experience"? The whole thing in SF is to get better skills, it's either being downrange or learning new skills as you age and don't become a liability toward your team.
Do the NG get first slots? Yea the NG unit does get the first slot but for like 1 or 2 people. And who's to say you are gonna get guaranteed the slot if another guy beats your merit score or is buddy buddy with somebody high in command.
ITT: People who will never go SF debate the merits of whether to go NG or Active SF.
National Guard groups get activated or put on training orders all the time, so it isn't as different as you might think.
If you're not dedicated enough to go Active you're not SF material. NG is half assing it. It's not about the training it's about the kind of person that goes "I want to join an elite unit, but only if I don't have to move"
The fact that NG SF groups exist, opr8 beside their active duty counterparts, and accept new accessions (as opposed to only former active guys) makes your point entirely bullshit.
>why is it that lately I feel like i don't qualify as a man if I don't have some sort of military/combat experience under my belt?
Because war is the ultimate test of masculinity. We've been at war for nearly 15 years so there are now lots and lots of guys around who have passed that test. (Compare to the 80's and 90's where going into the military meant you didn't do shit and were probably too dumb for work in the real world)
>Like if I go be an architect, no matter how successful I am, my girl's still gonna wish she was hot enough to nab an operator.
Girls don't know what operators are. Girls are attracted to exactly one thing, military-wise: Marine Corps dress blues. Not even Marines themselves, just the man when he's in the uniform.
you've clearly never been in tradoc in a hold company. anyone who has would say not having to be on hold while active is a better experience than dicking around for three weeks doing nothing.
you're still making an ass out of yourself.
> And who's to say you are gonna get guaranteed the slot if another guy beats your merit score or is buddy buddy with somebody high in command.
the fuck are you talking about. when a NG or RA soldier goes on orders no one is going to take their slot.
please show me more about your knowledge of TRADOC senpai. i'd love to hear it.
Yes I've never Tradoc, heck the first time I've heard of them was when I went to South Carolina as part of the first phase of OCS.
I don't know where you live but slots are completely depend on merit scores in the NG and AR. And even then your merit scores will not guarantee you training at all for example the captain and a sergeant of my unit had got the highest merit scores for air assault school and yet couldn't go because the commander of the BN decided it would be seen as "ethically bad" sending both a SGT and a CPT to training so he sent a SPC and a PFC.
What MOS would you reccomend for someone with this background?
>high school graduate
>been working retail for about 3 months now
>insane amount of patience
>very physically active
>attracted to ghetto trash music
>Patriotic to my State and country
>did university for 6 months and dropped out because it was a useless degree that i didnt want to pay for.
>rebuilt my first car with the father
I just need some guidence
>hurr durr SOF
is not an answer
Im fine with infantry but do you think id fit into a different MOS a bit better?
Desk job is not at all appealing to me, though
What about a mechanic MOS?
are those helpful for civilian life or is it tech/crypto or nothing?
>What about a mechanic MOS?
Those are good jobs. They don't translate 1:1, of course, because no one in the civilian world drives tanks or Apaches, but it looks good on a resume when you apply to become a mechanic at, say, a car dealership. (They train you to work on their particular make of cars anyway.)
Lots of lifers in those MOSs too.
I think she cosplaying General Lee Oliver from Fallout new vegas, anon.
What's the process for transferring MOS's?
Im interested in being a mechanic but if things kick off in a spectacular fashion, im young, dumb, and want a gun.
as for the lifer thing you mentioned, i never really thought about getting out after just 4 years, so who knows, i might end up as one.
What branch would you think id enjoy more?
im talking quality of people and equipment, not necessarily quality of life.
specialize in a specific aircraft, then work for that company afterwards.
do you think lockheed hires ford mechanics with no experience, or someone who has worked on their specific product for several years?
>"your resume says you worked at a dodge dealership changing oil as a summer job. i think you have what it takes to work on our top secret multimillion dollar aircraft, welcome aboard, son!"
>Girls are attracted to exactly one thing, military-wise: Marine Corps dress blues.
This is the fucking truth.
A couple of times now I've been to Marine Corps Birthday Balls in these big-ass function centers and there'll be a wedding reception or something next door. It's like shooting fish in a bucket. (The groomsmen probably cursed us under their breath, but that's the price we pay for having Jody fuck our wives/girlfriends.)
Point is, no girl ever asks what it is that you do in the Marines. They don't fucking know or even really care. They'll ask if we've been to Iraq or Afghanistan, but that's about it.
>What branch would you think id enjoy more?
>quality of people and equipment, not necessarily quality of life.
Air Force. A plane is cleaner than a tank and is generally more interesting to work on.
Plus, the Air Force has a unique relationship between their officers and enlisted because, unlike the other branches, it's primarily the officers that go to war in the high-danger jobs. A plane gets shot down, an officer dies, not the dozens of enlisted personnel that service the plane.
They are generally more respectful of each other.
>What's the process for transferring MOS's?
There are a few ways to reclass. Most commonly are through reclass INOUT calls. The Army (or all the other services for that matter) publishes a list of MOS's that are understaffed and offer a bonus to anyone who wants to get into them. You still have to get permission to reclass, of course because your current unit might also be understaffed.
If you're, say, a mechanic and you want to transfer to infantry, that's a LOT harder. The Army places more value on a skilled soldier versus a dumbass bullet sponge. They've spent a lot of money training you to do a valuable job. They can get a whole slew of dumbass 18 year olds to scream HOOAH any time they like.
That's much easier, since you're going from something useless to useful. However, there may be certain MOS that you would now closed from due to your rank.
Infantry is not as fun as you think. We won't be going to war for another ten years or so, until the majority of voting public forgets how tired everyone was after the last decade and a half of war.
Being Infantry during peacetime is being treated like you're a cross between a prisoner and a special needs child.
>I want to go infantry because I want a gun.
Ah, that's adorable. No, sweetie, you don't get a gun. What could you possibly want to shoot at? But I've got something that's just as good? Close your eyes...it's a BROOM! Go sweep the parade ground. If you do well, I'll let you march around the hills for hours and hours.
But when i said before
>Im interested in being a mechanic but if things kick off in a spectacular fashion, im young, dumb, and want a gun.
i meant if there is a big one, id like to serve in combat because im a dipshit and feel thats the best i can support my countries ideals, even though remaining a skilled mechanic would probably be more useful to the Military than another cumforbrains retard with a AR.
ah well, Mechanic might be something to be interested in.
the PSYOPS talk earlier had me interested in that sort of stuff, but then i remembered im not a fan of desk jobs.
As a mechanic on air craft you can get you flight status and you can become a flight engineer or crew chief. That is a cool job.
On Blackhawks, for example, you start as a 15T, fixing the helicopter. Then you get aboard the helicopter and you get on the door guns.
If there is a war, you're more likely to see action that way than as a grunt who, more likely than not, will end up patrolling a patch of sand that has never seen any human presence before you, let alone the enemy.
>On Blackhawks, for example, you start as a 15T, fixing the helicopter. Then you get aboard the helicopter and you get on the door guns.
yep, you sold me, ill be at the recruiters tomorrow morning.
I honestly forgot we still used them.
Is there a minimum level of fitness including swimming.
I'm looking to train to an acceptable level
The physical fitness standards are well-known and are published everywhere.
As a young male, getting in shape is actually quite easy. Stop eating like a pig and work out. It doesn't even have to be anything with a program. Do push-ups, sit-ups, pull-ups etc. and go running.
Don't get hung up on the meaning of a word, autist. He wants to train. He's probably just asking how far off he is before going to the recruiter.
Go to the recruiter. He will tell you how fit you are or what you have to do. Hell, he'll probably go working out with you.
Like I said, apparently it's tuned for fatbodies. And honestly, I would just run intervals instead of doing this, personally. However, if you're not doing anything else this looks okay. Doing HIIT in the form of burpees/bodyweight squats/etc. like this program does gives you some localized benefits as well as the cardio benefits.
NG units see deployment and combat at a similar rate to active units. What most people don't realize is that a significant portion of the military's combat arms strength is in the NG, which is most combat arms MOS and closely related one, which was intended to make sure we couldn't go to war effectively without the state's approval, but doesn't really matter in effect. The reserves are mostly support MOS, and do a lot of supply chain and related things. Both also have full-time positions. NG SF pass the exact same training.
If you enjoyed rebuilding your car, a mechanic MOS might be good.
like >>28577962 and>>28578028 said, you have a great resume if you want to be a car mechanic, and if you're an aircraft mechanic you could potentially segue into a sweet job at an aerospace company, ESPECIALLY if you use your GI Bill and get a degree in something like mechanical or aerospace engineering.
I've never understood why people on /k/ want to go infantry to play with guns. We're on fucking /k/, just go to the range if you want to play with guns. Don't spend 4 years in a shitty job so that you can spend an hour or two per week practicing with a rifle you aren't allowed to own.
Even for the Corps you can go to the recruiter as a fatbody. They'll help build you up.
And calling others autists when you sperg out about the difference between minimum and acceptable is pretty funny.
This is what I'm here for, son. Give me your age, weight, height, and as much as you can about your fitness (number of pushups you can do, number of situps, number of pullups, mile time, used to play sports, whatever, etc.) and an HONEST idea of your diet. I can give you some advice and maybe a rough timescale to reach your goal.
>I've never understood why people on /k/ want to go infantry to play with guns.
There are a couple of reasons for this:
1. A fundamental misunderstanding of what military personnel actually do.
2. It's a job that's very easily explained to others. Before you go in and you're thinking about your MOS, you start fantasizing about what you'll tell people when you get out with a chest full of medals. Saying, "I was a Firefinder radar operator in support of an artillery battery" doesn't sound nearly as cool as "I was a rifleman in the Corps".
3. They take the POG stuff waaaay too seriously. I see people accusing one another of being POGs and talking shit about POG MOSs more regularly on these threads than I did in 6 years in the Marines. (Full disclosure, I was a POG, an 0861. I spent plenty of time around grunts and never once was I called a POG. One time I thought I was, but I mis-heard, I was actually being called a fag. )
4. They really want to be Rangers or Special Forces, but they know that asking about that will probably get them shouted down for being deluded Cawadoody kids.
>one time I thought I was, but I mis-heard, I was actually being called a fag.
If the cyst is not large/painful to the point where you can't wear a uniform/equipment or do a sit-up, and it's not oozing shit, then you can join.
If you've had it removed within the past 6 months you cannot join. However, if you had one removed but longer than 6 months ago, you're fine.
Gives you more time to heal up from surgery and get fit (and wait out possible recurrences, which would potentially suggest a more serious issue).
>If the cyst is not large/painful to the point where you can't wear a uniform/equipment or do a sit-up, and it's not oozing shit, then you can join.
Aight I guess I'm good to join. 7 years ago some sort of bump developed above my butt and started bleeding/hurting. It stopped bleeding/hurting a couple months later but a smaller/harder version of the bump is still present to date.
The question is wtf will they say at MEPS about it. Will they even notice it?
Planning on enlisting in air force after I get my bachelors. I scoredon't a 90 on the ASVAB a couple years ago in high school. Will it be tough to score that again and what are some /k/ airforce jobs I can shoot for?
It probably healed up and the bump is scar tissue I would guess
CCT or PJ, but PJ has a like 90%+ washout rate and CCT is like 75%. JTAC, SOWT and TACP are still hard to get into but their attrition rates are quite a bit lower.
Not that anon, but if you're offering I would love some advice. Going enlisted Airforce, 4B031. I can do 25 push ups before my form starts to get fucked, 35 sit ups, I don't have a pull up bar unfortunately, I could go find a straight tree branch if you need it though. Never played sports, was a total skeleton that played games in high school. Currently 170 lbs. Mile time is 7:45 (I've been a cardiobunny for a lot longer than doing any lifting or working out, about two years now). Diet probably could be better. Oatmeal for breakfast unless I'm lazy then it's Honey Nut Cheerios. Lunch is usually eggs (from own chickens) some vegetables or a salad, and then some sandwich (ppj, ham and turkey, tuna it varies). Dinner is whatever is being made, I've got a big problem with portion control, but my mom is a bit of a health nut so it's generally not bad, lots of lean meats, veggies, pasta is whole grain that sort of thing. I'm cutting out alcohol from my diet in prep for it basic.
Right now I'm using a treadmill to do C25K one day and then the 0-100 pushups and squats and 0-200 situps the next. In addition every few hours I stop what I'm doing and pump out pushups and situps, some ex-military people suggested doing that both before and during basic since I'll be waiting around a lot and it helps teach correct form.
This is all new to me. I've lurked on /fit/, but mostly cardio threads, and I leave in three months so actively putting 100% into health and fitness is all new to me. I didn't put it off, I got offered one of my dream jobs but it was a "you got 4 months to get ready and this contract will only be here for half an hour so get down here" situation.
Enlisted as a Religious Program Specialist with a 4 year contract.
Ship out to basic August 17th.
Holy shit we should all hang out. Got a biochem degree myself, thought I'd be a doctor but with like 1.5 years to go i realized that I wasn't passionate enough for that shit. And now my parents really don't want me to join the military but I feel like I'd hate anything else I did.
>Going to Fort Sill for basic in 8 days
yeah im in the same boat as you
hopefully it all works out in the navy for me. i keep getting bugged about returning to continue my studies but honestly i just dont enjoy it how can i force myself to do that shit another 2 or 4 years
I'm tired of this life and tired of school. I live in a shitty little town and need to get out. I want to join the Air Force, probably something like Airborne ISR.
Anybody have any experience or thoughts for this loser?
Ha I share the same dining hall with reception so I might see you. Yeah it fucking sucks here dude. If you can get the fuck out now before its too late. I made that mistake. Especially now. Here in fort sill its cold as fuck and the wind chill makes it feel even colder.
>Is NG SF legitimate green beret?
Yes, the National Guard is part of the Department of the Army.
Yes, Army Special Forces wear a green beret.
>Can any state NG enlist under that option?
The National Guard doesn't work like that. You enlist into a specific unit, and each unit has their own recruiters. 19th and 20th SF Group units are spread out around the country and actively recruit support personnel as well as Rep63s and prior service to go to SFAS.
National Guard SF units usually have their own tryout, then you go to their version of SOPC while at drill, then you go to SOPC, then you go to SFAS, then you go to SFQC.
what he said is right, people can and have gotten clearance with worse, the biggest thing is that
-are you working on your debt (ie you have a finance plan to pay it off)
-did you omit anything else that would be on record or would pop up from references people give
-the jail thing is mitigated since it happened eiher 5+ or 7+ years ago well what exactly was it?
-elaborate on the license
>The whole thing in SF is to get better skills, it's either being downrange or learning new skills as you age and don't become a liability toward your team.
What makes you think National Guard ODAs aren't doing this?
>Do the NG get first slots?
Yep. Not just for SFAS/SFQC, but pretty much every TRADOC school.
>Yea the NG unit does get the first slot but for like 1 or 2 people. And who's to say you are gonna get guaranteed the slot if another guy beats your merit score or is buddy buddy with somebody high in command.
What the fuck are you even talking about?
Who gets to go into the school house and who ends up a hold under has nothing to do with "merit".
Just shut the fuck up.
So someone couldn't walk into a NG recruiters office for their state and say "I want to enlist under the Rep63 program" and then go into the pipeline? Isn't that how 18x works? You enlist 18x then right after AIT you start selection?
>Yes I've never Tradoc, heck the first time I've heard of them was when I went to South Carolina as part of the first phase of OCS.
Oh, now it makes sense.
Shut the fuck up Butter Bar.
>What about a mechanic MOS?
Keep in mind that your very likely to not really do a whole lot depending on your specific MOS.
Like you're imagining that you'll be some cartoon character in coveralls who is like the autismo genius mechanic who can fix anything and you'll be the most popular guy in the motor pool.
More likely you'll be taught how to fix one specific piece of equipment, only to a certain level, and 90% of your time will be spent dispatching vehicle so other soldiers who aren't mechanics can do user level maintenance (PMCS) and sweeping the motor pool before final formation.
>So someone couldn't walk into a NG recruiters office for their state and say "I want to enlist under the Rep63 program" and then go into the pipeline? Isn't that how 18x works? You enlist 18x then right after AIT you start selection?
I don't think you understand what I wrote.
There is not "National Guard recruiter for your state".
When you talk to a recruiter or retention NCO you're enlisting into a specific unit.
If that unit isn't subordinate to SF Group, then you can't enlist into their version of SF Babbies.
I'm paying down the debt, almost done. couple more paychecks and its gone
i lost my license in 2011 (too many points, not for speeding). when i was out of town in 2013, i let a friend borrow my truck because his wife was in the hospital. the dumb fuck ran a toll and didn't tell me (great friend, right?) which got my license suspended AGAIN. i got pulled over coming home from work (license plate scanner, popped up suspended). so i got pulled over for driving on a suspended license. just got my license back in November. it was hell
Can I join the U.S. military with knock knees?
When standing up straight, I can't push my ankles together because my knees hit will each other. Doing that, there's probably still about three inches separating my feet. The best I can do to get my ankles to touch is shift one knee forward slightly, and I don't know if that is acceptable.
Don't join the navy if you don't know how to swim. That's like joining the airforce if you're afraid of heights.
>If you have more than 200$ in debt you will get denied for TS at least.
>$30K of debt from college
Well now, that's rather disappointing.
>Well now, that's rather disappointing.
It's not about having a lot of debt, it's about being untrustworthy.
So long as you don't have a long history of delinquency you'll be fine.
So many people get so worked up about TS/SCI clearance process.
i have always filtered these threads because awful so no idea who 13F is, but yeah the boat person failed after being there for nearly 5 months and being oh so moto about it lmao, he couldnt make the minimum time on their easy ass run, after months of fatcamp too
i got a 97 and am now a programmer here, but dont look for info in these threads, its generally awful, lots of HOOAH pre mil kiddies that know shit about the actual day to day mil
if you want an IT job after the mil, look into the 3D0 and 3D1 AFSC's
also eyesight, depth perception, color vision, physical, and other shit all plays into how many jobs you qualify for at meps
>That doesn't make any fucking sense.
>>Hey only fucking NG recruiter in the office, I want to be a tanker
>>Too fucking bad I only enlist truck drivers
you retard, not every NG/ANG base has every fucking jerb in the mil, not all units have SF shit, not all units have tanker shit, etc
if you want to enlist in the NG with a specific job then you look for one of the units with that job and openings for it
How do you not get this?
>Local national guard unit is mech infantry
>Go into office
>Tell them you want to be a helo mechanic
>He laughs in your face
So yes, if you go to a motor transportation unit to enlist into that unit, they aren't going to have a 19K slot.
The National Guard and Reserve units only have slots for specific MOS per their MTOE and METL
>Shut the fuck up Butter Bar.
A high school senior calling someone else out.
I'd say that they're just going to love you at Basic, but we both know you'll never actually enlist anyway.
I just came here to shitpost in a shitthread, and read one of Navyfags posts on kikebook, and realized he probably hasnt come here to tell you fags his ass couldnt run 1.5 miles in less than 14 minutes lmao
Nigger I've been out since 2012 when I got back from a deployment and I'm in school on the Ch 33.
You're a moron, and you should just shut the fuck up because you don't know anything. Go to your Plt Daddy and tell him to smack you in the mouth.
Jesus, here, I'll break it down greentext for everyone.
>Tell recruiter you want Rep63
>Pass qualifications (Physical/written)
>NG recruiter and SF recruiter get together and figure your shit out
>You enlist with your local NG unit and go to basic/AIT
>Once complete you go to the pre selection preparatory process, then if you make it through you go to selection
>Fail out at any point and you wash out to the unit you enlisted with
I'm 13F and I barely made it thru BCT and am miserable at AIT. I got depression and other issues and wanna go home so I'm working on being chaptered. They said they would do a trial of antidepressants to see if that would work and if it didn't Dr. would recommendI be chaptered out. So I'm basically waiting till next week to see what happens.
so you were invested enough in these threads at one point to add a tripfag. but now these threads are cancer? somehow i doubt its because some fatfuck couldn't hack it in the navy
>either you tried to serve and couldn't make it either, or you wanted to join but your lame ass couldn't pull the trigger
>i just came to shitpost lel XD
So you've decided to enlist. You're not just going to be some REMF or POG schmuck. You're going to operate. Trying to decide which Special Operations unit you're going to join is actually a lot trickier than it sounds.
Let's go down the list from least to most respectable:
Air Force Combat Controllers and Pararescuers are eliminated right off the bat because they're fucking Chair Force. If you're in the USAF and you're not flying a fighter, you've fucked up.
Coast Guard ASTs? Are you kidding me? Coast Guard? Get the fuck out. You can be a lifeguard at the Y.
Marine Raiders are pretty cool but they're also pretty new so no one knows them and no one will care when you tell them you are one. Also, Marines are generally dumb as shit.
The Army Rangers should be near the top of anyone's list. The last famous Ranger, though, was Pat Tillman and he was shot by his own guys. Half the Army has a Ranger tab on their shoulder so no one will care if you're a real Ranger. Plus, it's impossible to tell people you were in the Army without people thinking you weren't tough enough for the Marines.
The Army Special Forces are extremely cool and everyone respects them, but as a Green Beret, you will be doing a lot of helping dirty-ass locals with their problems. Fucking waste of time. Do you want to be in the Peace Corps or do you want to operate?
The Navy SEALs are a great choice. Everyone respects the hell out of them, but "American Sniper" made them all look like a bunch of goofballs except for Chris Kyle, who was a liar. Worse, the Navy's dress uniform is as faggy as the rest of the Navy.
As you can see, there's no perfect choice, but such is life among the elite warriors of America: you have to sometimes make do with what you're given.
Best of luck!
am currently chairfoce m8, generals are all cancer on /k/, these ones especially so because its a bunch of newfag fukbois circlejerking around and talking about shit like they are experts on it
>lol. Nothing you just wrote was true.
Ft Jackson for BCT. I barely made it through but now that I'm at ft sill and after all this I'm just at my breaking point. It's not healthy for me to be like this. I don't care if I dont get any benifits I just need to get out asap.
That doesn't count as going to college.
>I barely made it through
Man that sucks.
YMMV with Jackson (when I went through all but two of our DSs were infantrymen and they fucked us up pretty good.
If you're a high school athlete (not a fat football lineman) you'll probably do fine.
Also everyone keeps lying to you about it being "softer".
The only time where it may have been "softer" was during the surge when they would push PT failures through to AIT because bodies were needed.
I'm sure you'll be fine. I'm just all sorts of fucked up. I do suck at PT and hate that too. Went to another Dr last week and he said I have a stress fracture so I'm all sorts of fucked up.
>That doesn't count as going to college.
Let me guess, USF?
I'll just be over here at my ICCAE program.
>what kind of ID is that?
It's the ID you get when you ETS.
>did you now keep your CAC?
You're not supposed to apparently, but I did.
Well I'm a 25 year old skinny NEET but I've been spending the last couple of months getting myself in shape to prepare. I'm going 12B so hopefully its not too bad or end up getting myself singled out for being older.
Damn hopefully you feel better man. What was the worst part?
>I love how he hates officers but still had to salute them.
Never said I hated officers. In fact I worked with a lot of officers because MI is pretty O heavy. And most of them were great intel guys. A few were at worst just not good at their jobs, but great at other management and admin tasks and took care of soldiers.
In fact I knew more shitty SNCOs than I did Os.
>I bet that just stuck right in his craw.
No, not really. I was on a familiar basis with the officers I worked with and was trusted to do good intel work.
> >inb4 I didn't salute officers. I gave them the finger.
> Yeah, no you didn't.
Didn't say I did faggot.
I don't have a problem with Os, I have a problem with stupid Butter Bar Babbies who think they know everything.
You're just a commissioned private, don't be butt hurt about it.
>end up getting myself singled out for being olde
Three dudes I was in BCT with were over 40.
Two were cops and one was prior service 11B.
The only way they were ever "singled out" by the killhats was that they were not treated like stupid kids all the time.
/meg/ used to be pretty good, believe it or not.
We had some trips who gave legit advice. We had some anons who came in from some interesting MOS's. Most of the prospective enlistee anons were receptive and didn't just want to know how easy RASP would be.
That was months ago. This isn't even near the worst /meg/ we've had recently.
The shouting match between two anons each claiming to be Rangers accusing the other of stolen valor was pretty fuckin' funny, though.
>pretty good, believe it or not.
>We had some trips who gave legit advice. We had some anons who came in from some interesting MOS's. Most of the prospective enlistee anons were receptive and didn't just want to know how easy RASP would be.
>That was months ago. This isn't even near the worst /meg/ we've had recently.
>The shouting match between two anons each claiming to be Rangers accusing the other of stolen valor was pretty fuckin' funny, though.
I remember when it first started, it was awful then, and is awful now
most every general is
>AIT is not better
It depends on your MOS.
Jackson fucking blew donkey dick compared to Huachuca. But my class got kind of shit on by our Company Commander while we were there.
>When did I ever actually say I was an officer?
My original reply was to some faggot who said some shit that was wrong about TRADOC, and then said he only heard of TRADOC when he went to OCS.
A couple easy things to remember about /meg/ to make it more fun and informative:
Anything you really need to know can be found with google or a call to your recruiter
Anyone claiming to actually be in the military is lying. (Even if they claim to have proof, anything can be purchased off the internet for a couple bucks.)
When did you go? I went 6 years so I don't know if the system change or something but I keep hearing that if you get pissy and shit you can have some type of card that makes the Drill Sergeants leave you alone. Is that true or is somebody pulling my ass?
>When did you go?
>I went 6 years so I don't know if the system change or something but I keep hearing that if you get pissy and shit you can have some type of card that makes the Drill Sergeants leave you alone.
That's one of those urban legends that retards keep pushing through the PNN (Private News Network) all the time.
Everyone has a story about how they totes heard from a friend of a friend's cousin about stress cards.
Stress cards have never been a thing, especially not in the Army.
This bullshit goes way back to the fucking 90's and people keep spreading it.
It started because someone heard about the Navy giving recruits some cards with contact info for counselors and shit, just like you get when you deploy (at least I got one).
>Is that true or is somebody pulling my ass?
Everyone is trolling everyone about this. If you ask for a source about "stress cards" being in any branch's basic they won't be able to come up with one.
And conveniently stress cards always never existed when they were in but they some how do now.
>Never actually met someone that hates officers (Only Lieutenants) so you must have never served,
What do you even mean by this.
Also I'm the only one to actually post proof that I was in in this thread.
I actually don't know what I did with my copy, I probably did something retarded and gave it to the VA rep at my previous school, or it's in my garage in a box of uniforms and TA50.
Guys, I'm officially in the marine corps dep. I still have to choose my mos and my recruiter gave me time to think. Now I'm gonna be honest, my absolute number 1 objective... Marsoc
Here is the deal I was thinking of going infantry, until I got an 85 on my Asvab. The recruiter said my line scores open up for pretty much every job in the corps.
Now what I had in mind was, Intel, avionics and combat logistics. I want to spend the time working for the corps and developing a strong mentality for marsoc, while doing a job that can translate for outside LATER down the road (sort of a back up plan), thing is, I don't want a puta fucking desk job. I don't mind if I get like stuck on a desk 50% of the time, but I also want to work in the field. But my end goal is and will be marsoc... which would be a good mos considering my aspirations and score on the Asvab?
>I'm assuming you retired since your DoD card is expired?
It's only good for two years when you ETS. I should have taken advantage of it but the closest base with a commissary and PX was Patrick.
>while doing a job that can translate for outside LATER down the road
You're not really going to find this tbqh family.
Yeah, experience in intel, for example, will give an advantage in personal knowledge and ability. But anything you want to do when you get out is going to require additional education (trade school or college).
And you're not going to have a lot of time to play commando prospect if you have an actual job to do.
Forgot to mention, it's in my plans to get a degree. What I meant for a job outside is mainly if sth goes wrong and I have to get out of the military, my objective is to make it a career
>What I meant for a job outside is mainly if sth goes wrong and I have to get out of the military, my objective is to make it a career
Well really, the only way "shit will go wrong" is if you get booted out, you decide after your initial contract not to reenlist, or you don't meet your HYT (the enlisted version of Up or Out).
So either you fuck up and get an OTH, Dishonorable, Bad Conduct etc. or you get fucked up and get a medical discharge, you find out the military really isn't the action movie you've been lead to believe and you get out, or you don't make your E5 by the time you hit 10 years and you're barred from reenlistment.
Other than that, even if you hit 20 years and get out as an SNCO, any job you try to get when you get out will be essentially starting over.
Very little military experience actually 1 for 1 translates to the real world.
>Very little military experience actually 1 for 1 translates to the real world.
I probably should have added a caveat to this:
For MI specifically, the experience does translate 1 for 1.
The problem is that now to even get a contractor gig you need civilian education.
But most (especially combat arms) don't.
>people in these threads actually concerned about getting employable skills in the military
Unless you're an idiot, you'll be taking classes part-time while you're in, and you can be at least halfway through a bachelor's degree in four years. Finish up the rest of that degree when you get out, and it will look much better on a resume than anything you did during your service (unless you're a nuke).
>Do the really take the time to check everybody individually from tip to toe ?
My experience was you go in and get a hernia check from the doc, then when you do the longer physical you're in a room with like 30 other guys who are going into different branches, and they just have you do the duck walk and check and make sure you're not covered in bed sores and shit.
About Tree Fiddy.
Nope, it's required that your bunkmate in boot gives you a blumpkin whenever you shit, and vis versa.
You're in your underwear.
What is the maximum amount of time someone would be in the DEP for the airforce?
What about coast guard?
My wife, active duty Coast Guard, signed her papers in July/August the year she joined and was off to basic at Cape May, NJ, by September 1st. Granted her recruiter kept fucking shit up so her papers weren't signed right away when she first went to MEPS. I don't remember all the details but it wasn't a long wait. Training center lasted 2 months, then immediately she was stationed.
Then all you have to be is bigger than the other Asians. Everyone is only measured against their own kind
>the black guy with the 7" dick is jealous and resentful of the Asian with the 3" dick.
>Hear from guy who went to same AIT I did at Huachuca, only a year later
>Female private gets caught gettin' the ole' lick and stick in the Bs
>Turns out she's married to an active duty LCol.
they just do a penis inspection to see if youre a virgin, check your asshole for hemorrhoids at worse. and scoliosis alone in a doctors room
ask you questions
visual/hearing/a bit of stretching exercises in your underwear as a group, thats about it iirc
they should just stick this in the FAQ, its asked every thread.
>He really believes that
Not everyone cheats, but it's more likely than not. It's greater than 50% chance desu senpai.
And some people don't consider sucking dick cheating, so there you go.
>they just do a penis inspection to see if youre a virgin
AFROTC fag here. Year away from commissioning. Things have been going well, but I've had this nagging debate going on in my mind since year two:
I want to go AFCYBER. Computer network engineering. Computer security, anything IT related really, I don't mind. Just give me a tech job because that's what I'm studying for.
Now, my big fear is that I come in as a Lieutenant and don't actually get to do the thing I study for. That is, end up doing more paperwork and delegation on projects than actually building and maintaining systems.
I don't mind managing and delegating, I just don't want to be on the sidelines while my enlisted have all the fun.
Is this a legitimate concern?
If so, are there ways to get in the trenches without pissing off superiors?
No I'm beyond certain she hasn't, and only because I know I'm the best she could ever get. It's not often you find a women who is begging you day in and day out to marry her, and cries when you leave. I'm not too worried.
>That is, end up doing more paperwork and delegation on projects than actually building and maintaining systems.
Y-you....you do know what officers do, right? Right?
Someone must have told you.
Flag officers make big-picture decisions, neither knowing nor particularly caring exactly HOW their decisions get implemented.
Senior officers work out HOW to implement those decisions.
Junior officers relay those decisions to enlisted personnel.
Warrant officers and NCOs actually do the work.
Below that are either mouth-breathers or people studiously learning in order to become NCOs. In either case, they do no work.
>Is this a legitimate concern?
But it really depends.
When I was in I was MI, and worked with a ton of officers. They actually did work most of the time except for the LC and the staff officers. While we were deployed the "staff" was just like two officers who weren't very good at what we did so they did paperwork and shit.
But you'll definitely be in a leadership role.
>I'm not too worried.
You just described exactly the kind of people who fuck around the most.
If you think you're the best she could get, there's a thousand other dudes on active duty that are probably sporting at least a decent six pack and comparatively sized dick who have permanent beer goggles because they're in the military who would turn her the fuck out.
The whole emotional manipulation angle only works when you're actually physically around.
this is what I'm talking about. There's a thing that needs to get done, and I've been training to do said thing, so why can't I both tell people to do the thing while also doing another part of it myself?
It's blurry and I've sometimes wondered if it would've been a better choice to just go enlisted. Too late now I guess.
>I want to serve and fight just like my husband!
>Gi jane best movie ever!
>ends up getting gangbanged by 40 niggers in BCT
>discharged before deployment because preggers
Women in the military, amirite?
>so why can't I both tell people to do the thing while also doing another part of it myself?
Well you will, to a certain extent.
>Working on six man team at G2 on deployment
>One NCO, four junior enlisted, a 1LT and a Cpt.
>The officers sort of know what's going on and do a little actual work
>Their primary job however is shift team leadership and facilitating enlisted to complete mission
But MI is officer heavy anyway. If it were like most other CMFs a junior enlisted wouldn't interact with an officer other than their PL unless they were getting fucked in the ass.
I on the other hand worked with Cpt to Major ranks regularly and my opinion/analysis on products actually carried weight. I also ended up creating and finishing products that would go out to customers on my own or with my input without the battle captain or my team leader being up my ass to double check everything (though I went to them out of respect and courtesy to let them look over my work before I sent it off to the customer).
>I've sometimes wondered if it would've been a better choice to just go enlisted.
It sounds like this would have been the best option.
I went to AIT with guys who had their four year degrees (one had his master's and was an adjunct professor) and decided enlisted was the better option because they got to choose their specific MOS.
>It's blurry and I've sometimes wondered if it would've been a better choice to just go enlisted.
I'm not going to tell you what to do, but that's what I did. Lots of people in the military do. I graduated with my master's but I enlisted anyway because I really wanted serve in the Artillery. OCS could not guarantee me a posting in an Artillery company.
I thought I would be the only guy in Basic Training with an education, that I'd be a 24-year old surrounded by 18-year olds. That was not the case at all. I wasn't even the oldest nor was I the most educated man in my recruit platoon.
I did not plan on making a career in the Marines. I just wanted to serve. When I did, I went back to the civilian world with character-building experiences and an intermittent case of tinnitus. Then I got on with my life and career in my academic field.
tl;dr: sometimes being enlisted is the better option, regardless of your education.
Worse comes to worse I put together a home lab to sim the work environment. Oh well.
In the end it'll still be one helluva ride
I'll take the advice into consideration. We have to do a review of academic progress each semester. Maybe a discussion with Cadre about what my options are would be healthy.
Thanks a bunch guys.
As much as I hate to get your hopes up: Air Force does let officers get hands on if you're talking about AFCYBER. The "IT" side of the house? No. The cyberwarfare side of the house? Yes.
This is not generally true of most career fields, and don't expect it to last beyond O3~.
But i wasnt trying to derail.
i was merely commenting on how the wife of a LtCol screwed people in the barracks.
did the CIC tell you that making any negative connotation about women serving in the armed forces are forbidden and ebil sexism?
>This is not generally true of most career fields, and don't expect it to last beyond O3~.
Keep in mind that it will be about 10 years before you hit O3, and then you have three chances to make O4 (once at 10 years, and then two more chances the following two years) and if you don't, then you're out.
So you would spend at least 10 years doing the job.
>but is it really a viable choice? Only 20 years for a decent pension doesn't sound bad at all.
It really depends.
You're taking a chance that you're not going to make your HYT either enlisted or commissioned.
For officers you have until year ten to make Major. If you don't make it the first year (only 80% do) you have another chance to make O4 the following year. And then once more the next year. If you don't, you're out. Keep in mind that if you don't make it the first time you have like a 95% chance of not making it the following two years.
How hard is it to make your HYT as enlisted?
I'd like to learn some medical skills, work for 20 years, retire at 45 to a small piece of land and carve wood and drink whiskey with my german shepherds until I croak or WW5 starts
Not that hard I would imagine. You are basically given e-4 out of tech school for Air Force. The cut off for most branches HYT is 20 years to make e-6. Which means you could pretty much be a complete fuck up and still retire as an e-5. Also "In the United States Army, soldiers will finish their enlistment contract if they exceed HYT unless they are reduced in rank.".
>sux2b airforce. Army make it after 3 and change. 26 year old captains errywhere.
Sorry didn't realize what I was typing, it doesn't take 10 years to make O3, I meant to say you'll get about 10 years before you make O4 and start taking staff positions.