Can Carl Gustav take out modern MBT? What about modern MBT with era?
It seems like the direct Western counterpart to the RPG-29, which can fuck up an M1 abrams right good.
But really, the gustav is outdated garbage from 1940's that is useful as a general purpose rocket launcher, whereas the RPG-29 is a much more advanced AT launcher meant to engage MBT's.
>FFV751 is a tandem-warhead HEAT round with an effective range of 500 m and ability to penetrate more than 500 mm of armour.
seems like it'd be decent.
not all tandem warheads are created equal but i think it'd atleast scratch the paint.
probably not do much to front armor. but what really does.
You might get an immobilisation kill, but that's about it and then you've just got an angry pillbox looking to fuck your shit up.
They do pop most of the IFV/APC types of vehicles though.
>Design dates from 1948
Fuck off, it's a shitty 84mm bazooka, compared to a RPG 29 which has killed M1's and penetrated western MBTs frontally.
Soviet RPG's in 1970 came with better optics than some fag red-dot sight. Good luck getting a nice kentucky windage on a T72 at 250 meters with a dot sight.
The US has no equivelant of a RPG-29 in service.
>Design dates from 1948
So? It's a tube like any other launcher. The only thing that matters is the ammo which is perfectly up to date and there's plenty of
CG is not for tanks. The Javelin is.
>The US has no equivelant of a RPG-29 in service.
No because we've moved on to guided shit. The CG is general purpose, it's no longer anti-tank
It's a heck of a lot shorter than the RPG-29
It is expensive, but we're America so we'll pay for effective weapons. The top-attack profile is pretty dope.
>The top-attack profile is pretty dope.
when it works. bretty much every tank out there can be fitted with multispectral cammo suites that significantly reduce sigs all around and give thermals on tanks FCS a run for their money- and the Javelin's seeker is nowhere near in performance to current model MBT FCS thermals.
Actively cooled MerCad FPA's are not really effected all that much by atmospheric conditions.
Furthermore, if it can ID and lock a tank at 5km, it will do it at a more effective 2.5km no problem, regardless of the "mythical multispectral cammo suites" that was meantioned.
The seeker has a 9x zoom for fucks sake.
Tank is not hideing.
Probably referring to Barracuda MCS.
Well, the CG and the SMAW, which is getting a new optic array upgrade with LRF to replace the ballistically matched rifle.
I'm just goin with what the army says, we both know an RPG is not in the same league.
>The javs seeker can see out to 5 km.
Detection with NFOV you mean, as if thats enough to start engaging. tanks can see out at double that range, recog and detect with NFOV and WFOV at 4km resp. and ident. at 2km with NFOV, at minimum i must add.
>Its a actively cooled FPA IR seeker.
crap technology when compared to third gen QWIP based thermals on the latest tanks.
>I have to see this
they are like TUSK kits- do you outfit every tank with them or only when the need arises?
>What was the IR cam they were using? A potato? Its clearly uncooled but jesus christ, thats bad.
they used the second-gen FLIR Gunner's sight from the M1A2. if they punkd those, Javelins wont see shit all the more.
>Detection with NFOV you mean
The actively cooled seeker of the missle has a much farther zoom (9x compared to 4x) and target discretion (much higher resolution FPA) than the CLUs optics.
>The actively cooled seeker of the missle has a much farther zoom (9x compared to 4x) and target discretion (much higher resolution FPA) than the CLUs optics.
proofs?!? here's mine:
how the servers like nowadays? the game is literally filled with engineers running around with the gustav
>pretty much every tank out there can be fitted with multispectral cammo
Same can be said about an active protection system which the RPG-29 cannot defeat while the javelin can top-attack.
>WW2 - Visibility extremely limited, zoomed optics not common at all, mostly ironsights. Can often see people but your ability to hit them is somewhat limited.
Now - Visibility is the direct opposite, everyone and their dog has thermals on their tanks, US has thermal / NV monoculars going into service, MGs have FLIR.
15-20 years from now - Everyone and their dog has stealth systems on everything, visibility goes back to being shit, but as soon as someone fails to hide themselves they're taken out
I'm not sure what is worse, honestly
OP the carl gustav is more of a "multirole" portable recoilless rifle. It's much more versatile, has airburst functions and can be suited on the fly to a vast variety of situations, its size is constant (doesn't change when loaded), it's lightweight. Something that is more interesting for special operations group rather than the average grunt. Oh, also it's arguably stealthier when using non-rocket boosted rounds.
The RPG-29 instead is just an advanced anti tank weapon. It has thermobaric rounds, too, but that's it. Its issued with the specific role of blowing up tanks. Which means that it does that better than the CG, yes.
>but what really does.
The RPG-29. Rated for 750mm, or 600mm after ERA effects. Got through the front of a challenger 2.
Quick answer, no. An MBT cannot be taken out by a Carl Gustav.
Long answer, if you were talking about the AMX-30 or the Leopard 1 then maybe. But anything with actual armor? Nope.
The same reason the Carl Gustav is in service is the same reason the M72 LAW is as well. In our current situation there aren't any targets heavily armored enough to justify a dedicated anti-tank weapon. It's a tube that launches explosives and that's all it needs to do.
>when it works. bretty much every tank out there can be fitted with multispectral cammo suites that significantly reduce sigs all around and give thermals on tanks FCS a run for their money
>this is what vatniks believe
Number of tanks saved by this cammo suits in real combat? Zero.
> It's a tube that launches explosives and that's all it needs to do.
Wrrrrong. It's a *very versatile* tube that launches explosives. The LAW is in service because its small and simple, the CG is in service because soldiers, especially specops and light infantry, love it.
With properly trained operators you can airburst fuckers behind cover, it's a big thing.
Question for any CF infantrymen out there, what's life like in battalion after DP1/SQ? Been thinking of switching trades because the navy is gay as fuck, but has a lot of deployment opportunities.
The HEAT 751 is the default AT warhead, it has a tandem charge to negate ERA and then penetrates another >500mm RHA.
That won't pierce frontal armor, obviously, but it will penetrate side armor, especially vs soviet style turrets.
Wait is the spotting 9mm suppressed? Thats rad as fuck if it is.
>Same can be said about an active protection system which the RPG-29 cannot defeat while the javelin can top-attack.
depends. newer APS extend their engagement zone over the vehicle too, and you don't even need hard-kill interceptors when just obscurants could do the trick of hiding the tank from the top attack munition's seeker and breaking the kill chain.
>It seems like the direct Western counterpart to the RPG-29
no its not. its a recoilless rifle so its direct analogue should be the SPG-9, another recoilless rifle.
Nope that's some kind of tricked out SMAW with no rocket installed. SMAW's have a 9mm attached with special spotting ammo that has the same ballistics as the rocket and a small spotting charge. It's for fast ranging the lead and holdover in combat. Honestly has anyone used a SMAW? What's the 9 actually like I have always been curious?
Got through the weld at the point where the Lower and upper plate met this was just RHA, no ERA, it now has a fuckhueg chobham kickblock.
Even when it penetrated all it did was hurt the drivers toe
Against armor made after the 60's? Yeah it's pretty shit.
The HEDP variant? That thing is TITS.
>small enough to be strapped to an assault pack sideways and still fit through doors
>retardedly simple to use
>powerful enough to 1-shot sandbag, concrete, and mud-wall structures
>super fucking cheap
No idea where you got the "super expensive" bit, they're literally only a couple hundred bux. About the only explosive weapon anybody has that's cheaper would be Russian F1 hand grenades
>yes the US M67 frag costs more than the LAW for some retarded reason
On the other hand, you can only carry one AT4, but you can carry twelve 40mm grenades.
And when we start using 25mm grenades of the same power, you can carry twenty four 25mm grenades.
AT4 has roughly 37x the explosive content of a 40mm HEDP, as well as being a shaped-charge warhead. On the other hand, it's also about twice as heavy as a LAW or about the same weight as an M320 plus 12 HEDP grenades.
>The CG has a 9mm gun attached to it?
Made me think of this.
Like I said, the SMAW-II is dropping the rifle for a far faster and more accurate system.
Its a lovely weapon system. And firing illumination rounds at night during winter exercises warms your butt like nothing else.
The marines proved to dumb to say "Carl Gustav".
The marines were however capable of saying "SMAW" since it's similar in pronunciation to the basic primal grunting noises marines use to communicate.
I think its more accurate to compare CG to RPG-7, especially if both are taken in their modern iterations.