>all this custom shit
>two 15rd 9mm magazines
>15rd fucking magazines in the year 2016
Why the actual fuck is this allowed?
I've actually wondered the same thing. I hate having to buy a bunch of mags after I've gotten a gun that came with two, because they're two low capacity ones. There's no excuse for not using MecGar flushfits.
Aka reasons to buy a mk25. Pic related, I spent $100 bucks total on a SRT and and p224 slide catch lever (to keep yeti thumbs like mine from riding the lever on last round). Both take all of 5 minutes to swap (10 if you watch the entire YouTube video on how to swap).
Also you get 3 of those 15 rounders and an anchor. Everyone knows anchors > Mulan labia runes.
I'm sure it's nice and all, but you're really better off not buying in to any of Sigs new age marketing gimmicks. It'll just encourage them. Also, the price is outrageous for what you're getting.
>that slide catch lever swap made it a whole new gun.
I am considering on doing this when the need arises to swap out my old style mainspring assembly and if I do decide to get an srt in mine.
Just got two mecgar 18 rounders in the mail so I can manage without it.
>mfw the legion seems to have a p224 slide release slapped right on it
Taking that gun apart is almost as easy as doing a full 1911 strip, the only difference being that so many of the parts have springs keeping them under constant tension, and also the slide requires fresh roll pins and a roll pin punch. Otherwise it's fairly straightforward forward. I wish the firing pin was a bit easier to get at for cleaning.
I have a P228
fondled the Legion P229
very nice feel with the undercut at the trigger guard. the action has been tuned/smoothed by the Sig custom shop. can confirm that the Legions are a step above the rest of their combat pistols
I'll just stick with the cheap model P226 and the extra $50 SRT kit I installed.
I've taken apart the frame for deep cleaning a few months back. I ran into some big trouble. Turns out the ejector was a hair too small so I had to order a few new parts and it took me a month of trying to fix it.
So that's why I sorta hold off from replacing my mainspring or getting an srt.
>I wish the firing pin was a bit easier to get at for cleaning.
This is what's bothering me at the moment. I'm having some problems with my gun making a snapping sound and not firing on double action at times. I don't know if it's because the internals of the slide are gunked up but I'm pretty apprehensive of taking it all apart.
Omnifox and I are both huge Sig shills but the rust meme is at least a bit true. Both he and I have had Sigs have rust issues in the past and he is still testing the waters with his Legion.
My MK-25 has not seen any rust issues like my old P226, but the grip screws do want to rust pretty badly. Besides those, which are obviously not phosphate coated, the gun has not had any signs of rusting. This is all from 90-100% humidity Houston for the record.
To install the SRT is fairly straight forward. There are a few videos on YouTube about getting it in, and the process itself seems much more daunting than it actually is. I watched the videos a couple times before I sat down with my punch set and got to work.
As for your issue, you can test it by sliding a pencil down the barrel, eraser first, and trying to fire in DA/SA. It should launch the pencil a few feet.
Yeah, if I had to do it again, I could install the sear assembly with absolute ease, no problem at all because my fingers are small enough.
But I had problems with how my parts fit so I'm not keen on replacing it any time. As for my trigger problem, I just tested it and it didn't work. I can reliably make it not strike the pin if I pull the trigger rear and towards the right. I've had this problem frequently at the range too and at first I thought it was a hangfire.
Yeah but no anchor so what's the point. Same reason the only way I will ever buy a Glock is if they make a 19 with an anchor called the MK-26
By any chance do you have a p228? I'm wondering if there's any sort of different in width of grip between them and a p226.
My 226 is exactly this.
Probably, still waiting on an actual source rather than a SEAL on M4carbine saying they got holsters but no guns. Not like the P226 isn't the longest serving sidearm though tqbh familia.
I do not.
What the fuck is wrong with Mec-Gar mags?
I have 3 for my P226R and they work great. They are identical to the factory mag minus the Sig Sauer logo.
>tfw in Colorado and no one will ship 18rd mags
Seriously. I'm a proud fanboy of Sig, but come on...the G19 has 15 round mags. How does the p226 as a full size gun not have higher cap by default? The p320 full size has 17 round mags. I never understood this about sig. It's literally the only downside I've found to the p226. I of course got 18 round and 20 round mags from mec gar, but it's just out of principle that makes me say wtf sig....
>tfw in Colorado and no one will ship 18rd mags
literally why haven't you sold yours and bought a p228 or hell, a glock 19?
I agree. Sig is being retarded for not shipping their 226's with 18rd mecgars. But to be fair, the p226 was made in like 1984 or some shit so that's why they're usually 15 rounders. Still, this is absolutely no excuse for sig to use and further reenforces Cohen is a figurative jew
Fair enough. Just know that the p228 balances out a bit more and is more compact. If I had the opportunity to trade my west german p226 for a west german 228, I would do it in a heartbeat.
>can't even use original p225 mags
What the fuck were they even thinking? Here I was actually somewhat interested in what they were planning to do with the new p225.
I don't get why people can't find Sig's cheaper...my lgs has the p225 a1 in the low $900's. I bought my Mk25 for just under $1000. It's still expensive, but jesus not as expensive as people advertise..
It's because the majority of /k/ and 4chan as a whole are poorfags and have a slight hate for "expensive" things. They tend to overexaggerate how exensive things are and overstate MSRP prices fairly frequently.
Also sigs aren't that expensive, just a tad overpriced in my opinion. I'm still going to buy a p938 as my first cc gun and $600 ain't shit for such a gun.
p225's are severely underrated sigs and handguns in general.
Nope, have never shot it. I do admit I really don't care about 1911's at this point but the fact that it has good sights, an even better trigger and is actually enjoyable to shoot for a pocket gun in 9mm make it really attractive to me.
At first I wanted a p239 but it's way too big.
It should definately be a lot smaller. Sure, it's obsolete as fuck but I think my itty bitty manlet hands will love them. Probably going to get a german p228 along with a 225 someday down the line.
>Thin enough you can notice when carrying and shooting it
I told you it will be notable...
It won't be like going from a P229 to a G19 in size comparison, but it'll still be noticeable.
I mean, honestly, why is the daddy's money thing such a meme for angry anons on 4chan?
I can never figure out if it stems from a lack of money in general or a lack of love from an absent father figure. Either way I'm not rich, I'm just not a piece of shit poor person who buys Mosins.
You got me.
It's quite a bit slimmer, and much more comfortable IMO. The P229 is wider than the P226, its a bit of a fatty.
This guy for example is fat, and I have large hands. It feels wider than a USP 45 with the rosewood grips.
The gun in pic related is much more comfortable to shoot, but still pretty big.
Because some of us have had to work for everything. I weeded pumpkin patches starting in 4th grade before school, and have held a steady job since I was 14. Not to sound like an elitist fuck, but it helped me work 40+ hour weeks through college, and more than likely got me my job with Jewman and ballSachs. Don't take this post like I was calling you out directly, because i'm not. I just think that is where the dank maymay came from.
My father is a first generation American who didn't learn English until he was 12. I don't come from money and have worked for everything I have as well.
I just don't see why /k/ seems to think it is impossible anyone could own $1000+ toys.
Like I said, I wasn't calling you out specifically. It's just where the mindset comes from. Everyone wants to feel accomplished, and it pisses some people off when others have an easier time acquiring nice goods. I just brush them off because I know I worked my ass off for what I have.
>It's because the majority of /k/ and 4chan as a whole are poorfags and have a slight hate for "expensive" things.
No, it is because /k/ is mostly noguns teens who get their prices out of buyers guides and web sites showing the list price.
Yes and no, the Mk25's internals are also phosphated, basically the entire slide and frame and most of the parts , aside from grip screws it's incredibly rust resistant, the finish should be standard (Although I hear sig's new finish on the regular guns is improved)
Anon, its me p225 guy, get the W. German P220. I have 10k through mine.
I'm thinking thats what I'm gonna do. Same capacity, sexy gun and it's West German. Whats a good price for a used older P220? Also I saw another SIG he had, part of it was NH and I think the slide was German, any idea what thats about?
I paid $500 for my P220 with 4 mag's, and some ammo and holsters. I got an exceptional deal. I would pay up to $600 for one if it was clean, and had the original zipper mags and box.
In regards to the split Sig's depending on when it was made it may be full German and just import marked. It may also have a US production slide and German frame. This P229 of mine has a legacy US milled slide, and a German production frame.
I'll have to re check what he's asking but I'm positive its a W. German one and pretty clean looking but I didn't take it apart. Are the split SIGs any less quality than a full German one if there is such a thing?
Both of my P229's have been dynamite solid, and one is an Exeter slide, German Frame, the other is fully Exeter.. The Exeter guns are nice as well, and my experience has been mostly positive. I will say that the carbon slide guns balance better than the stainless guns. That is the big benefit in my mind of the W. German guns.
Is it weird how the only exeter sig I would ever consider owning that is a P22X series barring a 239 is the mk25? I like the german ones because they're much more pleasing to the eye.
I dunno, I guess I just see the newer sigs as something like those overly customized 1911's.
I'm with you. The old guns are much more utilitarian in their look. They seem designed with purpose (military use and sales), compared to the new guns (designed with civilian sales as the primary driver). I guess to me the newer guns like the faggotmax Legion series are too much pizazz and flash for my taste.
Weird. My brother has the P229 Legion and it comes with 15rnd mags, not the old 13rnd ones. I thought they were Mec-Gar.
Nice pistol, though. Excellent trigger, and all the little changes are welcome. Don't think I'd ever buy one though. He paid $1150 or something for it.
Nah, not bad considering how much it sells for other places. He got it for $1150 total from a guy he knew who bought two identical P229s as soon as they were released. The guy had a washer or dryer shit out the very next day and needed money, so he sold one of the pistols NIB to my brother.
One local store has them for $1150+tax, which is pretty good too. Otherwise I've seen them locally and online for $1200-$1250.
>The p229's are much more desireable anyways
Yeah, I noticed the prices for the P229 seem to be higher than the P226 on Gunbroker, and a lot more people are buying the P229.
>Legion series are too much pizazz and flash for my taste.
I'm with you on that. I was hoping when the new 225's came out they would be like the old, or at least take the old mags. Part of the reason I'm kinda out on looking for one or P6. Last question about the 220; anything I should look for other than the obvious signs of abuse when at my LGS/Pawn? The one at mine is asking $550 West German, I think it's split Exter/W. German and has its box.
The "super exclusive OPERATOR club" aspect is retarded, yeah. That said, the actual changes made to the pistol are exceptional. SIG really nailed the upgrades, which is weird since their special editions usually just have a different finish or some shit.
Check the rails, like really close.
Use this guide: http://grayguns.com/guide-to-sig-sauer-pistol-inspection/
Also, buy some good grease before you go racking the slide, or shoot it. If it has the zipper mags and box $550 sounds pretty good.
has anyone seen a review anywhere for the Grayguns Perfection Action Kit? I have yet to see a review
Also one thing to note, if it is worn out or shows signs of frequent use, you should replace the springs for the decocker, trigger, guide rod and if you're feeling adventerous, perhaps the mainspring or even the entire mainspring assembly. But that's my two cents. Having spare parts is something that should be had for any gun anyways imo
>pic happened on literally the first shot I took on the second time I went shooting this
Thanks for the tip, anon. I know SIG has a program where you can send it in, and for $70 for something they'll take the gun apart and go over it, replace shit ect.
I'm going to see if I can shoot comp IDPA with it. That would be fun instead of using my G26.
Anon, you have a nice collection of firearms.
How you liking competition? I'm somewhat new to guns/shooting and it seems like a good bit of fun at the same time I can improve my CCW skills.
I have a couple of them actually :)
I haven't been doing IDPA but my local range does steel challenge, and bowling pin shoots. I have been doing really really well. I will be buying a USP Expert this summer.
>dat bi-tone USP
Very nice! Keep the collection going.
Work hard anon, and don't take shit from anyone. Also it goes without saying that guns are awesome and fun toys, but make sure they don't become your only focus with your money. Setup a Roth IRA if you haven't already.
My bad the P229 has the "Grayguns Intermediate Reach Adjustable Trigger" and the P226 has the "Master Shop Flat Trigger".
Neither product listing mentions anything about having anything in the action from Gray Guns P series kit.
>the P226 has the "Master Shop Flat Trigger
well that isn't true either. only the SAO P226 Legion has the flat trigger.
the Legion series comes with the GGI PSAIT trigger, the action has been smoothed out at the Sig Sauer custom shop, not by GGI action parts
I know and it upsets me. It was the one thing I assumed was in the gun when Colion and the others started teasing the guns. I was so hyped but it doesn't have the P-PAK kit so it's not nearly as attractive.
I'm gonna get some Legion grips for my MK-25 though.
It's nice, but I prefer hammers and DA/SA. Strikers are fine and I'll never get rid of my Glock 19, but I've sold the rest of my striker guns and keep going back to DA/SA.
If you prefer Strikers, it's great. The PPQ'S grip was too small for me even with the large backstrap, I don't care about the VP9 or the M&P, so if I wanted another striker it'd be between another Glock, The FNS, or the P320.
There's really nothing worth noting for changing calibers on p22x's, it's mostly just .357sig/40s&w swapping but who the fuck buys a sig in .40
Get your dad to try out a 22x like a 226,228 or 229 and a p320. They're all great guns, just a matter of hand size and personal preference
Actually you know what? Fuck it, I am going to tell all of the Sig nuthuggers this right now:
Glocks > CZ/SW > HK >>> Sigs - this is if you were to take NAVY Seals seriously FACT there is no sidearm that will perform better than Glocks, perod.
A fucking anchor? Come one!
Well, the gun he really wants is a Glock. And, I already own one. So, I'd probably just sell him mine, and find a used sig in that case.
But, I think P320/250 is what he'd end up liking if he went Sig.
Last question, do you think its a good idea to get someone their first gun, with no safety or hammer (both the Glock and P320, have this issue). I've read they're making whats called the p320 MHS edition, which will have a thumb safety, but I cant seem to find one for sale anywhere online. Is this only available to the military, or could an FFL order one for me?
Thanks in advance, senpai
I don't even hate Sig, they have a good business selling snake oil. I am just laughing at idiots paying $1000 for a fucking Anchor or $1400 a fucking challenge coin. These people are literally too retarded to own guns.
Sure, the anchor is definitely something I don't quite get but you also get night sights, a nicer finish and coated internals, right? Seems like it's worth the $100-200 more that you'd typically pay if all of that is important to you or you have the money.
I think the whole legion thing is pretty gay to be honest, but I think Sig would get a lot more respect just advertising it as a custom shop gun rather than this elite club status thing.
I bought the MK-25 for the Anchor, the NAVY model has the Anchor as well but doesn't have 1913 railz or the sticker.
Plus it's aesthetic, and is there really any other reason to spend over $1000 on a gun besides aesthetic?
You shoot people with Glocks and let them stay locked away in an evidence locker, you're actually proud of a Sig/HK.
The only handguns that need a manual safety imo and I can probably speak for most people is a SAO gun like a 1911. There's absolutely no reason to get a manual safety on a gun such as a glock or any striker fired handgun for that matter.
Just get a normal p320 for him, he will be fine. If he's carrying it, the only two things will ever stop an nd and that's good trigger discipline and a good quality holster