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Why don't they make silencers like that? Pardon my shitty paint skills.
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they would fall because they arent held to anything
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>>28530197
Brb, going to the patent office
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>>28530204
Pretty sure someone thought of that design before but it must be ineffective.
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>>28530200
Fixed.
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>>28530197
Well I'm entirely guessing at this but IIRC the loud boom is made by the gasses expanding from the change in pressure from the inside of the barrel to the outside space

To effectively mitigate this the gasses need a buffer zone where they can expand in a controlled area. Your design is too open and it would still be extremely loud because the silencer is too short and the gasses could easily quickly expand out the end of it

Feel free to shit all over my post if I'm wrong
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>>28530197
Because it does effectively nothing?
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>>28530243
Pretty sure you are right, thought of the same thing. Just wanted to be sure.
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>>28530223
Are you retarded?
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>>28530261
Yes.
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>>28530197
I got better idea.
See, with this design all the noise gun made will be directed backward, so nobody in front of shooter will ever heard a shot.
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>>28530285
Le lightweight mod.
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>>28530197

Colors are pressure forgot to mention in the picture
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>>28530243
No, that's exactly right. It's basically the same principle as a car muffler, the hot compressed gasses have energy that will become sound. By allowing them to expand within a contained space and slow down, you disperse that energy without generating sound.

Here is a diagram of a suppressor. You can see, as you summarized, that it starts with a chamber for the gasses to expand in.
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>>28530307

See? Fluid dynamics makes it work silenter
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>>28530332
Vss vintorez design?
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>>28530340

Maybe? I was just working with what he gave me and tried to make it work.

Is that how they do it?
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>>28530332
But it wouldn't really offer any advantage over a traditional silencer design. The most interesting thing it would do is pitch-shift the sound of the shot with all the different length gas tubes.

It's not a silencer, it's a gun tuba.
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>>28530347

Not trying to make it better than a traditional silence, just better than what he gave us to start.

But I want a gun tuba.

>FUCK YOU ATF IT'S NOT A SILENCER IT'S A INSTRUMENT
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>>28530352

>Afroamerican attempts to culturally enrich your house

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A
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so youre asking for a bullpup silencer basically?

All the benefits of sound suppression without the extra length?
If there was a proben design that would work, someone much smarter than us would have designed and profited allready.
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Would something like this work? Essentially multiple tubes with compartmentalized sections divided along the radii
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>>28530197
Wouldn't trap much gas now would it
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>>28530381
It could, but you really want baffles in the center line too. In your design all of the gas still has to escape one hole at the end, so most of it is going to go right out the front.

Keep in mind that sound is the enemy. You want to reflect it back and fourth so it is attenuated and absorbed.
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>>28530366
Reflex suppressors already exist. The old ones aren't that efficient but the most effective modern suppressors do have some reflex space.
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>>28530381
All those extra spaces don't do shit. Remember that peak pressure only exists very briefly. By the time any significant amount of gas has become trapped in anything but the first two sections the gunshot is long over.

Pro-tip: Inducing turbulence in the bore line is much more effective than simply shaving and trapping gas. And when it comes to shaving and trapping high velocity gasses nothing beats (stepped) cones.
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>>28530401
Well it's not perfect, I guess my point was having a baffel design including multiple tubes in each other of various diameters. It seems like that could mend with the typical cone-shaped or angular baffel design pretty well as well
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>>28530381
why though
doesn't all that extra material reduce its effectiveness?

like wouldn't a huge fucking barrel be the most effective and thats just about it?
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Reflex suppressors are a thing
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>>28530340
VSS actually has a really shitty suppressor
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>>28530431
I have to add that stepped cones are so effective because it's a very simply design that combines turbulence of hard angles and the shaving abilities of cones. Add some holes into recessed spaces along the outer tube and you have the best a simple homemade suppressor could offer (unless you're willing to put up with the weight of a monocore).

If you want unnecessarily complicated then check pic related. It's basically a series of overlapping fixed turbines followed by turbulence inducing asymmetry. It's not actually better than any existing suppressor at suppressing. All it boasts is removing backpressure and being fragile as shit.
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>>28530473
And if you want (effective) art just get this
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>>28530493
As for (relative) simplicity it doesn't get more effective than this.
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>>28530473
(pic related)
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>>28530513
is that a lightsaber?
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Check out OSS suppressors.

They're the most "technically advanced" designs currently around.

Whether they work any better than "less advanced" suppressors is probably debatable.

>>28530513
Motherfucker I just tried to post this pic probably seconds after you.
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>>28530197
run CFD analysis, where does the gas expand? l2science faggot.
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>>28530525
I kinda want to stick #5 in my ass.
Ribbed for pleasure~
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>>28530340
Vintorez suppressor is literally just three baffles
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>>28530525
Check out Ops Inc suppressors if you want the opposite.

Battle proven military supplier, super simple baffles, all steel full weld. Sadly because of that last part you don't find many pictures.
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>>28530603
>but.....muh slav magic
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>>28530618
It's used by slavs so slavs must be able to clean it
Despite being simple it's still pretty quiet
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>>28530624
That has more to do with the caliber and sheer volume than the design.

It's shit.
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>>28530628
>more to do with the [...] sheer volume than the design
Yes, now you get the idea
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amazing that with all the money in the world, there remains such a diversity in silencers

some are objectively superior to others, so how come the inferior are not weeded out?
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>>28530640
Poor people still exist.
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>>28530243
you're pretty much right. that shit arrangement pattern of the buffer space in the OP diagram ensures that there's minimal suppression of sound, because the place where the the gases have a chance to begin to expand inside the suppressor is very near the exit, so very little of the gass will be diverted and contained, thus the reduced bang would be absolutely insufficient.
tl;dr it would still be loud as fuck
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>>28530525
These just remind me of Fleshlight cross sections
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>>28530691
The principle is the same, it's all about the right friction spaced out to the right places for a given caliber.
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>>28530300
Congrats, you just invented a flash hider
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>>28530736
>muzzle brake
fixed

A flash hider splits lengthwise. It's about preventing a mach disc from forming.
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>>28530640
Same reason any inferior product is bought. Marketing and consumer ignorance.
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>>28530691

I'm curious how these get people off.

They look mighty uncomfortable.
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>>28530347
What if pitch-shift beyond human hearing?
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>>28530801
You can only pitch shift so much sound so much within a given frame.

If you built a suppressor the size of a small shed, then yes, you could build a very intricate canine owner torture device.
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>>28530525

Well, I'd stick my dick in most of those
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I haven't seen a cross section but the delta p design brevis suprressors are cool. 3d printed from incolnel or titanium and much shorter than your average suppressor. Id buy one if they made a 9mm version.
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>>28530312
>plastic baffles
That looks 3d printable...

Hmm, I've got an idea.
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>>28530312
those baffles look like schedule 40 unions with exaggerated and angled lips.
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>>28530691
>top left.
>literal ammosexual.
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>>28530197

Gases are not good at making sharp turns like in your picture, and if I had to guess one of two things would happen

1 - the baffles don't really trap any gas at all and the shot is still loud

2 - the pressure build up in the front part of the baffles gets too high and your suppressor now becomes a frag grenade
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>>28530603
w-wait... thats it?
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>>28530691
>Fleshlight 69 Caliber
ammosexuality on the rise
but
>Fleshlight Maze
CHECK YOUR CORNERS
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>>28530340
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>>28530197
What do you think of OSS supressors?
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>>28530493
Pardon my ignorance, but how the fuck was that thing machined in 1 piece?
Lost wax mold or something?
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>>28530796
erm, you have to use lube..
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>>28531958
It looks like a God damn transmission...I want one...
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>>28530707
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>>28532282
Looks like it was cut with a standard C&C machine or lathe.
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>>28532386
Would be impossible, if you consider that it had two halves and was originally one solid piece.
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>>28530691
Fleshlights would probably make for good suppressors.
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>>28532386
>C&C
No dude the baffles were most likely welded onto the tube.
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>>28530833
sounds like the very argument you'd be using to convince the ATF it's a cool thing
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>>28530525
Are those like onaholes that you can silently fuck ?
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I always wondered why they formed the inside to be smooth. Wouldn't a rough pyramid texture be better for noise cancellation?
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>>28533886
something like this.
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>>28533886
You aren't disrupting the longitudinal waves in air like sound-dampening foam does. You're stopping the motion of expanding gases from creating that pressure wave in the first place.
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>>28533997
Got ya... I (obviously) didn't know shit about it. Thanks for the answer.
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>>28532457
It wasnt.
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They did this for the suppressor on the M110 I believe.
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