How powerful the Islamic State "military" actually is?
Can they defeat poor European countries like Greece or Serbia in a war without Nato's help?
They have unprecedented endurance.
Under Operation Inherent Resolve, Coalition forces have launched over 8000 airstrikes killing 22,000 combatants and destroying 14,000 targets.
Despite this ISIS continues to advance on Iraqi held cities. They are by no means pushovers.
June 2014 ISIS.
If the states were touching each other and went 1 v 1 ISIS would lose to almost all European armies. But ISIS could beat a few of the smallest. ISIS could also defeat the worst Arab armies.
Serbia would win slowly. Belgium would be equivalent. Montenegro would lose.
Libya would be equal. Egypt would win slowly. Lebanon would lose.
Just my 2 cents.
Sureeeeeeeee we killed that many and hit that many targets.
Our campaign 2014-mid 2015 was absolutely shit for effectiveness and accuracy. Obama was hoping to keep it short and quiet.
June-present it has heated up and our strikes have gotten better with SOF calling in strikes.
Just like we did in Serbia and Kosovo.
>Despite this ISIS continues to advance on Iraqi held cities.
ISIS has been steadily losing ground for the last year, the only reason they have lasted this long was Assad's army being in tatters and half of Iraq's army only existing on payrolls.
This is Vietnam all over again, the coalition forces aren't allowed to win because it's better for politics to have the Islam boogie man out there, also those guys in Oregon are legit
The strikes are effective and those numbers come from the Pentagon themselves. ISIS demonstrates enduring resilience against a foe in the air too massive to comprehend, a far cry from the dullard Iraqi Army that they face on the ground.
The fact that a terrorist organisation consisting of untrained recruits with captured arms and vehicles controls large areas of a sovereign nation with it's own standing military is a testament to their strength in the face of adversity.
They will beat anyone when their opponents are abandoning their posts and running away.
Look at Libya to see how they took over and ousted Muammar Gaddafi with Twitter. they basically did the same thing in Iraq and Syria, with or with out help from ??? and social media.
The Timing was impeccable as far as their invasion route was littered with resupply points and fresh local troops and munitions????
The Pentagon Hmmm I thought they just stuck to Greasing palms and ensuring the Industrial Military Complex get the best deals for themselves and their trust funds.
Nothing like a few Billion Dollar Reqs to plump up the slush fund.
They are not losing ground but rather gaining it. They are advancing from Mosul, Baiji, Deir al-Zour and other population centers towards Fallujah with forces attacking from Ramadi on a daily basis. Your other point is also dubious considering the Iraqi Army are very much trained. They receive instruction and information from many Coalition forces such as the US 82nd and some Iraqi nationals attend US military colleges and academies.
What they lack however is indeed resolve. They have no desire to win, to thrive and dominate. These are the qualities ISIS has. Spurred by religious fury they uphold the traditions of al-jihad fi sabil Allah, fighting while massively outnumbered and ill equipped to quench the steel that rains from the sky. They are fighting men, born of harsh land with fire in their hearts and blood in their mouths. Unless Coalition forces directly intervene through GDI and assault operations, the ad-Dawlah al-Islāmiyah fī 'l-ʿIrāq wa-sh-Shām will be victorious.
Daesh is already done, since they don't actually throw offensive attacks against the PKK, YPG and Iraqi army. All they do is capture villages with slim to no resistance, such as yezidi villages and other muslim towns they enslave and use as strongholds.
What kurdish liberate are liberated for good. Sure Daesh can one day decide to send a steel plated suicide truck in the village and start a firefight, but they won't push forwards, they are only getting pushed back.
No need to talk about Jabhat al-Nusra, FSA or Jaysh al-Islam. Are they even relevant?
ISIS lost against kurdish women with rusty AKs.
They're not a powerful fighting force, all terrain they conquered was because Syria is in turmoil and Iraq doesn't have an army that fights for its land. That's it. Any motivated and trained military, even a really small one, would completely annihilate ISIS if they went boots on the ground with a shoot on sight ROE.
Serbia and Greece? Not a fucking chance
ISIS will overrun Germany and Sweden within weeks.
But that's because pols like Merkel will order the military to stand down and actively interfere with organic resistance by the natives
>But that's because pols like Merkel will order the military to stand down and actively interfere with organic resistance by the natives
I doubt the military themselves could do that. They'd probably join the resistance.
Serbia utterly failed. Most of Bosnias military was besieged, and by most some conservative estimates are like half of the military. Siege of Bihac and Sarajevo tied down a lot of troops and Serbs still couldn't do shit with the help of another country. Serbs are shit soldiers.
yeah they probably could because they wouldnt be held accountable to shitty ROE, silly retard
On one hand, ISIS is abnormally resilient and has not collapsed under the weight of everything being arrayed against it. It continues to recruit in massive numbers and output in massive numbers.
On the other hand, ISIS performance varies wildly. Because of depleting manpower and resources, several ISIS fronts have receded or collapsed while others are still pouring on the heat. Most of their successes have been rapid advances on open terrain, but their ability to hold their domains is being questioned by the fire of war.
Personally, I think they're a modernized Mongolian Horde. They're good at overrunning weak positions, but they can't overrun a location that is built like a castle and they can't into internal stability for long. You don't kill them by going toe to toe on the field, you kill them by forcing them to dig in where they can get bombed and bogged down.
If anything the poorer countries get a leg up over countries like the US and Russia because the media can't make a shitstorm when they go in and just burn down mosques and kill all of the milita- worshippers inside. Morocco did that earlier in 2013 during a hostage situation, I think.
Israel doesn't give a fuck, generally. They would have to drop a bomb right in the heart of a children's hospital on live television before they start to give half a fuck.
US has been bombing sand and dirt my friend
>Can they defeat poor European countries like Greece or Serbia in a war without Nato's help?
probably not, most of ISIS weapons and training are NATO made, so they'd suffer from severe logistic malnourishment
>They are fighting men, born of harsh land with fire in their hearts and blood in their mouths.
They're not untrained recruits though; if memory serves, their training originates from the US itself (remember those dudes you trained to fight the Soviets? That's whose leading em'), which explains how they're not buckling and instantly dying against western powers.
So sure, while most of them are just cannon-fodder or bombs on legs, their operators are probably worth a dozen Greeks/Insert flabby Euronation's underfunded "army" here.
We are going to have to act, if we want to live in a different world...
Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Monarchies, in an attempt to overthrow a Iran-backed government in a Middle Eastern Cold War?
Or were you expecting another answer?
Jesus christ, I bet if aliens invaded tomorrow, conspiracy nuts and stormfags would still say it was da joos!
Ehhh...I dont want to piss off the "poor" European countries, but I feel that since their government disarmed the people, and their military is entirely reliant on Nato Logistics for a prolonged conflict <as it was designed to be.> they would probably not enjoy a quick victory.
By that same note, in this scenario, how the hell is ISIS going to get to the combat zone? Transport camels?
On the flip flop again, I guess ISIS could follow this "cancer" model they have going on, travel enmasse as civilians, subvert a few smaller military bases and move on from there with stolen equipment, and ride that shit till the wheels fall off. Loot local banks, etc....well...I guess they probably could make inroads.
Fucking GLA man.
That's an incredibly old, shitty photoshop. ISIS might have captured M2s but they don't have that one.
That M2 and the stinger-equipped M113 behind it are at the Heartland Museum of Military Vehicles. You can see them both behind the M110 in this picture.
>implying they're not all working together
>implying the divisions aren't just for show
>implying they aren't allowing/pushing us to struggle against each other in vain so they can remain safely on top
>implying it's not all a game within a game
>implying we're not the pawns
Who would win in a war between Europe and ISIS, you ask?
> the salmon-colored dawn breaks on the desert plain as the ISIS fighters prepare themselves
> prayers are made towards Mecca and weapons are readied with haste, as this is the morning the fighters will face the infidel hordes for good
> over the crest of a distant hill, the first of the Europeans appear.... the Swedish Catamite Brigades
> they charge in their thousands and hundreds of thousands, their rapturous battle cry of "SWEDEN, YES!" ringing out across the desert like the peal of a great bell
> ISIS opens fire and thousands of Catamites fall, but the few that reach the ISIS lines immediately rip off their pants, drop to their knees and present their bleached, waxed anuses to the Muslims
> bewildered, the ISIS fighters are just beginning to make sense of the situation when the next wave appears.... wagons loaded with weeping English Foster Care children and being town by great lines of English men yoked together, wearing shirts that read "We're Sorry"
> unable to restrain themselves after the Catamite onslaught, the ISIS fighters ignore their orders and rush forwards, tearing open the wagons and carrying off the English children as the men towing the wagons remind themselves not to be racist
> the battlefield devolves into a mass of rape and apology for a bit before the drone of engines echos across the sands
> hundred of German-marked transport planes, the ones that didn't crash on takeoff due to lack of maintenance, that is, stream overhead and block out the sky as their rear loading doors open and their cargo spills out
> pallets of money.... every Euro that could be printed.... the entire monetary worth of the European Union falls from the stratosphere
> pallets of Euros smash down into European and ISIS fighter alike
> they are crushed in their thousands, caught in vignettes of rape and ravishment and white apology
People usually aren't willing to die for money. Something about having to be alive to spend it.
Religious fanatics on the other hand believe their real lives only begin after a worthy death.
When was the last time you saw a cartel suicide attack?
They're not untrained, that's for sure. All the survivors from the small insurgent groups we used to target are exactly what we call of ISIS by now.
They learned to survive drone strikes, longbows, cobras, Abrams and the best infantry in the world. That's one hell of a endurance, when compared to the half asleep-half awake Iraqi army, that was eating glue during all the conflict, hoping that we would sort the problem for them. Now they're paying the price for their lack of action.
> pallets of money thud down into human and rock alike for what seems like eternity, churning the battlefield into a mash of ravaged bodies, blood and banknotes until blessedly, silence descends
> the Italian Navy sends troops in to drag the broken ISIS fighters out of the lakes and rivers of blood, handing each survivor a blanket, a visa and a letter detailing a heartfelt apology in half a dozen languages
> but as they attempt to withdraw from the field, a keening wail is heard in the distance
> unable to comprehend what has happened to this point, the ISIS fighters look towards the shreik's source as if they're staring into the face of an elder alien god, out of place in this dimension
> from the hilltops and ridges, millions of them descend, wearing every color in the rainbow... their genders are indistinct, their faces masks of hate and rage
> they screech with one tongue, however... and the single word they utter is "PRONOUNS!!!!!!!!"
> at the very sight of this new horror, the beleaguered ISIS fighters recoil.... at the sound of it, they tremble... this great mass of gender confusion and instant social entropy shakes the very foundations of Heaven as it rumbles towards them
> this is it. there is no hope. nothing, not even Allah the Merciful could stand before this.... every fighter readies himself for what he hopes is a quick death
> and the multicolored, shrieking wave rolls past them all..... instead, it descends on the European survivors
> Swedes, English and Italians are torn limb from limb by millions of screeching, gender-ambiguous hellions in a fit of rage so profound that not even men who a day before had been burning people alive could comprehend it
> the ISIS fighters collapse, their minds now no more useful than lumps of pudding, their God having been abandoned
> in a plane high above the carnage, Chancellor Merkel looks to her copilot Rabbi Finkelstein and says: "Ze smell of social justice in Ze mornink... it is good, ja?"
>Serbia utterly failed.
Serbia was never involved in the war anon, there were Volunteers and some black ops trainees for sure, but official Serbian army never set foot on Bosnia. Bosnian Serbs that were part of Yugoslavian army did, and there is a big difference there.
Current Serbian army tech is outdated and pretty much dissolved by western powers and NATO, but Serbian soldiers are still one of the best trained in whole Europe (and that is known military fact don't deny it). So, yeah they would make some dank kebab of ISIS if they had some advanced tech/proper finance in no time.
The US Army could probably eliminate ISIS as a pseudo state with in a month. Knocking them back down to a a fragmented insurgency like Al Queda is.
The problem is then removing the US military and regional powers filling in to keep things secure.
So on that logic US is directly involved in forming up ISIS ? In the same way US supported kebabs and Croats during the bosnian war.
anon pls... every single country does proxy nowdays.
They are you fucking idiot, they created the environment for IS to thrive in, the difference is the USA didn't start the collapse of Yugoslavia, that was all Serbs and Albanians, the niggers of europe
isnt the point not dying all the time?
suicide attacks are a sign of desperation
the side that dies less wins
He means in Ramadi and Fallujah. Two cities that fell in 2015.
ISIS has been retreating from their overextended positions in ethnically shia and kurdish land. ISIS is being smart against superior numbers and airstrikes, not getting strategically beat.
USA toppled Saddam and created the environment for them to operate in
USA also support Croats and Bosnians but only after they were already engaged in conflict
Serbs are liars
>THE US CREATED THE SUNNI SHIA SCHISM CONFIRMED
do you fucking hear your self?
>America made everyone want to kill each other
>The Russian military says it fired 18 cruise missiles on Friday, destroying seven "Islamist" targets in Raqqa, Idlib and Aleppo provinces.
>Col Patrick Ryder, a spokesman for US Central Command, said the Russian air strikes in recent days targeted more IS areas, including the group's oil infrastructure.
so thanks to airstrikes they wont be able to take back any of that land
(all those dead technicals on the way to reinforce Ramada)
i mean the fucking kurds are like 30 miles from raqqa
sitting on your ass falling back sounds like a sure fire way to lose a war
>all those cited sources
even children know how to cite sources
According to the Kurdanons who post here occasionally in AMA, those women you see are self-defence units that stay far back from the front and guard marketplaces, mosques, etc.
It's propaganda. The people who are actually fighting ISIS are heavily armed and US assisted Kurdish men.
Yeah...you are very wrong. The Sunni/shia conflict goes back thousands of years. The only thing the US did was kill Suddam, who used extreme violence to enforce peace between the two groups in Iraq. As soon as he was gone, it was back to "normal" for them.
The US does cruddy things, but we are not the boogey man lurking in the shadows behind every bad thing in the world.
>for not being sunni enough
not even serb too
That's like saying Kharkov 1943 was retaken.
they already executed a bunch of their own for losing
>They were grouped together and made to stand in a circle. And set on fire to die,' a former Iraqi resident
Except there were airstrikes in May 2015 when ISIS routed the Iraqi army and took Ramadi. ISIS has been fighting everyone and has been bombed 14,000 times since June 2014. I think we can agree they are doing pretty well all things considered.
The Kurds are 30 miles from Raqqa? I think you need to look at the map again.
According to the key it's more like 60-70 miles.
Also, the Kurds in no way are going to try retaking Raqqa.
What they will do is try connecting the Afrin province to the rest of the Kurdish lands. Look at the Northwest near Tishrin.
You realizs ISIS is still a sunni terror group who kill all Shias, but only kill the Sunnis who disagree.
Hitler killed some Germans. But that doesn't mean he didn't consider Germans far superior to Poles.
It's a Sunni-Shia conflict. Look at the territory controlled by ISIS/rebels versus SAA/ISF. It breaks down to religious lines.
any one have any more Russian drone footage?
the kebab removing future is here boys
Please never link Dailymail as a source ever again. It's bullshit and references no sources but a "terror expert".
Ramadi is a fucking warzone. The Iraqi government told their soldiers to push into Ramadi and take the biggest building so they could claim "victory" before year's end.
The whole South and West of the city is still ISIS territory.
>Send Mexican Military to fight ISIS
>By Mexican Military I mean Cartels with the support of the 6 Mexican AF F-5s
>Watch Narcoterrorists duel it out with Islamic Terrorists because ISIS is not a fan of them smuggling drugs through the ME
>Get ISIS beheading videos from the Cartel
>ISIS troops dropped in vats of acid
>Cartels start supplying FSA & others against Assad with drugs so they don't know when they are shot
>Assad is removed
>Peace for 3 months until the Saudis and Iranians start to kill each other.
>The whole South and West of the city is still ISIS territory.
This is true for the Peshmerga, yes. But they don't really advertise women as fighters. The YPG does use female fighters, though. Look at literally any YPG operation video and you'll see. But even so, the heavy HEAVY lifters would still be men, yes.
>arabs winning against anything else then arabs
top kek mate.
ISIS's biggest strength is controlling land of Sunni Arabs that are marginalized by the current regime in their respective countries. Going up against a population with little to no Sunni Arabs would get them curb stomped since they lack public support.
>Serbs are shit soldiers
Shit soldiers from national/ethnic perspective don't exist, unless we're talking in absolutes.
It's how you train someone, their equipment, motivation, organization, and culture.
Serbian and Balkan culture in general historically produced good soldiers.
You people don't understand how wars in 90's happened. It wasn't like every Serb or Muslim or Croat decided to suddenly invade and kill their neighbors. It was chaos and in that chaos various groups fought.
Serbs in general despite memes weren't that motivated for war. Plenty of people never supported Milošević. When mobilization happened for war in Croatia, 11% responded (in Serbia).
Serbs in Bosnia at one point controlled most of Bosnia. Bosnian government controlled some cities which had Muslim majority. This obviously wasn't sustainable from purely strategic perspective. Muslims lost from the start.
Serbs could've won (this isn't the question of good-bad soldiers, Serbs had advantage in equipment), but political factors prevented that. And that victory would mean a lot of bloodshed, which simply couldn't pass in late 20th century Europe.
Besides, Serbs fucking won in Bosnia, they controlled 50% of territory with 30% of population at the end. Later they lost strategically important Brčko district, but that was a political loss.
>Also, the Kurds in no way are going to try retaking Raqqa.
No, they're probably going to do the best they can to secure their land in northern Syria (as much as they can what with Turkey and all) first because once Raqqah falls, it's all ogre for IS, that'll be the final nail in the coffin and all that's left would be to sweep up the remains.
And as Raqqah is such a big deal, taking it won't be easy, IS's supply lines need to be full cut off to weaken the defenses, hence the SDF moving westward.
Oh and like in the 1st press conference the SDF did they said "we're going to take Raqqah, be ready"
Also, in that war, Serbs claimed land where:
1) they were majority in 1991.
2) where they were majority before WW2 but weren't because of genocide of Serbs in WW2 (dubious claim obviously)
There was no rationale for conquering cities where Serbs were heavily outnumbered.
>Lebanon would lose
>Serbia would take a while
>Belgium is equal
Economies matter in warfare anon. Besides being far more advanced and have far more capital idk how u think they would be equal.
Hell Syria would easily be able to wipe the floor with them if they werent fighting on 3 fronts
>implying NATO didn't create secret training camps for "muh moderate rebels" all throughout the Arab spring
>implying UK SRR didn't get caught in Libya training sandniggers
>implying "muh moderate rebels" ever really existed and weren't known insurgents from Iraq and elsewhere
Yup, it's allllllllll just Russian propaganda
>Mongols couldnt conquer cities
Where did this meme come from?
Not only the Mongols but plenty of nomadic peoples could sack cities (Huns, Mongols, Avars, and Bulgars all wrecked cities).
They captured Baghdad and Beijing the two largest cities of the world.
>2 armed men opened fire and were killed by a SWAT team who were hired to secure the gathering
>killed by a SWAT team who were hired to secure the gathering
>a SWAT team who were hired to
huh? Poorly written, or deliberate whitewashing of good deeds done by armed, non-state, agents?
>Except there were airstrikes in May 2015 when ISIS routed the Iraqi army and took Ramadi
You mean a city that ISIS has lost again.
ISIS can feel the noose tightening around its neck.
This looks exactly like what happened when Nod captured GDI equipment in C&C.
...Dude are you retarded or something? You can contract your city's police department for anything they're willing to provide security for - have you never seen a cop working off duty?