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How would you fight a war against an army like this?

Note : Tanks/Missiles/Planes/Artillery is not an acceptable answer for the same reason that one line answers get you half a mark at best in high school.
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>>28523451
Tanks/Missiles/Planes/Artillery.
Next question please.
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>>28523462
you trying to be funny kid?
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what movie is this? 80ies Soviet army vs aliums?

Also fight them just like they do in that clip.
No living thing can stand up to 20mm+ cannon fire
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>>28523476
they couldn't fire fast enough and got overrunned
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>>28523476
>Clip

I think you mean magazine
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>>28523472
I mean, thats how they fight them in the source material.
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>>28523451

Lolis.
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>>28523451
Didn't we have this thread yesterday?
Samefag weab plz go and stay go
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>>28523451
Landmines. Lots and lots of them.
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Watch Starship Troopers and find out??
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>>28523646
Indeed he did.
>>28523476
It is all a poorly-constructed excuse to have children in mechs, just like about half of all anime.
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Jesus Christ why is anime so fucking terrible

I try watching it and it's just so fucking bad. So fucking bad.

I just keep repeating in my head "Really?!"
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>>28523657
that is a statement, not a question

graduate middle school english class
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for hard targets, light tanks with 120mm autoloaded main guns. basically leclerc on steroids.
infantry support = tons of repurposed SPAAG. every army is completely mechanized and every vehicle has some form of high-calibre weapon.
standard riflemen use OICW or some mag loaded semi auto grenade launcher. soldiers are heavily armed because mobility isn't a concern; they're mostly present to protect their vehicle's blind spots from the little cunts.
also over the horizon fire support with cluster munitions to overwhelm with the lasers.
I fucking love muv luv.
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>>28523721
>That is a statement, not a question.
>Graduate middle school English class.

Fixed that for you. it was a rhetorical answer, you shit. Btw, way to ruin the sarcasm. Here's your award.
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>>28523672
>18 year olds
>children
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>>28523451
Entrenched BRRRRT

Before you say anything, this entire series and the BETA are founded on bullshit because plot so don't even start.
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>>28523769
Are you stupid? It doesn't matter if it's a rhetorical answer.

What you originally said is a statement and requires either an exclamation point or a period but not a question mark because it isn't a question.

Seriously, are you a high school dropout or something or just an average girl?
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>endless waves of insectoid alien monsters

Chemical weapons.
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I revive the multi-turreted tank class and fuck everything with a fleet of modernized T-35s
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>>28523451
Just watch something better. It's like grade school nonsense, "Oh yeah!? Well my aliens are immune to everything!"
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>>28523846
>weapons specifically designed to interact with our physiology
>doing anything to completely alien physiology
Pick one
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>>28523992
cos alliens are magic
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>>28523992
>doing anything to completely alien physiology

Bugs and mammals have different chemical receptors for their nervousness systems. Raid can harm a human, but it kills ants on contact. IDK is the reverse is true for ants and VX.

We could easily make them. Get a dead alien monster, get some nerves and figure out what blocks them. Chemicals weapons and most medications are molecular keys that get jammed in the right molecular lock to keep it open or keep it closed.
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>>28523939
except for cute little girls......because anime

seriously we should have nuked them like 20 more times.
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It really is a good example of the disgusting sort of circlejerk japs like to fantasize about. They're a sick people.

Still, the impossible physics and biology defying ayy lmaos considered, Humanity has such a terrifying command of biological warfare that I promise you within hours of the faggots landing we could have a virulent strain of weaponized disease kill them off, and that's ignoring possibilities like nukes planted ahead of their advance, controlled irradiation, excessive mach speed munitions and chemical warfare the likes of which has never been unleashed on living things and exists today right now in research labs.

I know /a/ has an itty bitty hard on for trying to stump /k/ with their animu tryhards but BETA are subhuman scum, and MuvLuv is only good for porn while the rest is just not-gundam gore wanking.
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>>28523653
This

/Thread
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We already had this thread, and the answer is still landmines.

There is literally no BETA countermeasure to mines.
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>>28524310

This still isn't as bad as GATE.

Japs seriously need to get ouside. Every once of potential they create is squandered
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>>28524407
Wrong wrong and wrong

Landmines are a deterrent, not an effective weapon

If they all swarm at you (like in the webm) you'll get maybe 50 of them and the rest eat you for dinner.
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>>28524429
I started watching that yesterday

>"aww sweet, a military anime with a budget, this might be good"
>turns into sword art online within the first 20 minutes
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>>28524499

I actually liked the idea of a military anime full of the regular tropes, at least in the way they where doing it. Most of it seemed pretty tasteful.

It only deteriorates though, and turns into a full blown power fantasy.

>>28524454

Just use more mines nigger. If they're only method of engagement is to zerg rush then I will plant more mines than Zergs, fuck em'. I'd plant nukes in the ground, I don't give half a shit.
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Daily reminder
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>>28524590
Too bad it takes time to plant mines, time they'll be using to, you know, zerg rush you.

This isn't starcraft, they don't come in waves and give you 30 minutes to rebuild your defenses between each wave
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faggots need to realize the GIANT ROBOTS are merely a small part in the entire anti ayyylium strategy.

It is still mostly fought with traditional means.
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>>28523451
>Tanks/Missiles/Planes/Artillery is not an acceptable answer
So no military technology?
I fight them with the fucktarded question you presented, OP.
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>>28524632
that's such a stupid argument. Any countermeasure takes time.
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>>28524632

The BETAs aren't everywhere, and you don't need a military force to set up a mine field. If they have the time to organize and prepare a battle like the one in the OP, then they have time to make peasants dig holes meanwhile.

I don't know much about the anime but saying there couldn't be mass fields because of time restrictions is ludicrous even by this anime's standards, and that seems to be saying something.
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>>28523786
yes
>taking the bait
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>>28524310
you do realise that most hollywood movies don't end in "lol we just used WMDs and won" right.
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>>28524407
mines lose a lot of value when the enemy doesn't give a fuck and are perfectly fine with using troops to create a path through the mines.
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>>28524671
one liner answers weren't acceptable even in high school, which you must have graduated to be on 4chan.
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>>28523451
Tactical nuclear weapons. Soviet tier-artillery densities (100+ tubes per kilometer of frontage)

BMPT-style autocannon and ATGM carriers to complement tanks.

Ripping naval CIWS like the AK-630 into ground emplacements is probably a solid idea as well
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>>28524310
Fuck off back to your containment, HFY faggot
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>>28523451
Iono.. Go ask jimmy Raynor how he did it.
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>>28526588
the guy who got ntred?
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>>28524310
>impossible physics
>Iron man shoots gravitons
>biology defying
>Hulk stops tank shells

Even such horrible universe as Muv-Luv has more science inside than average Marvel\DC shit.
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>>28524429
>Japs seriously need to get ouside. Every once of potential they create is squandered
The few anime directors who have bothered to set foot outside Japan and begin to grasp the actual reality of the world around them tend to be shunned.

Like, everyone loves Cowboy Bebop, right? Fucking everyone trashed it in Japan. Poor guy who directed it didn't even know it was a hit at first. So he did that follow-up movie which was basically a love-letter to New York City, and it also didn't sell in Japan.

Teens with dripping pussies riding mechs fighting aliums. That's what sells over there.
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>>28526777
no, what sells in japan are stuff like gundam, bleach and one piece. muv luv sells pretty badly in commparison.
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>>28524590
>nuclear land mines
bison_yes.gif
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>>28526777
>Like, everyone loves Cowboy Bebop, right? Fucking everyone trashed it in Japan. Poor guy who directed it didn't even know it was a hit at first. So he did that follow-up movie which was basically a love-letter to New York City, and it also didn't sell in Japan.
But that's wrong.
It got the Seiun Awards for Best Media of the year in 2000, whereas in the west the movie didn't even break a million in the box office.
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>>28524590
Watch Future war 198X
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>>28524590
>nukes in the ground
They tried that and failed, next.
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>>28523451
um, fucking shoot them?
>but muh ________!
everything dies if you poke enough holes in it. humans have been poking holes in things that want to eat us since the dinosaurs. if its a bigger thing, poke a bigger hole. simple as it gets.
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>>28523451
Wasn't this already asked a day or two ago? My answer is the same, with pic related.
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>>28527352
...not sure if we nuked them to hard or not hard enough... but i think wed better drop another one anyway. just for shits and giggles.
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>>28527408
Problem that US has only free-fall tactical nuclear weapon. And this things has perfect AA capabilities.
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>>28527438
>us has only free fall tac nuke
this isnt 1945 anymore buddy
we can put glorious nuclear butt fuckery anywhere we want.
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>>28527294
is that the kind of answer you gave in OCS?
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>>28527485
>this isnt 1945 anymore buddy
It is, lol. Nuclear capable Tomahawks were retired from service.
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>>28527171
I would if there was a english subtitled version.
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>>28527582
so un-retire them. pretty sure in the event of some kind of alien bug invasion wed be willing to strap a nuke to a missile.
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Anime not real
fuck you
fuck Anime
get the fuck off my /k/
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>>28527613
Nuclear missiles in general will not work against them - Laser class BETA are capable to shoot down anything. You need nuclear artillery. I have no idea about operation status of this things.
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>>28527680
evidently you have no idea how to type a proper sentence. or your fucked up, in which case its only Tuesday man it cant be that bad yet. youve got 3 days left.
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>>28527639
please show proof of ownership
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>>28524737
>>28524632
>>28524590
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>>28527757
winner
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>>28523451
stop posting children's shit on mt /k/
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>>28523451
>Airpower not acceptable answer

What so do we build giant robots piloted by soap opera stars to stomp on them? That's a load of bullshit.

I don't see a flying gribblie or really anything capable of combat beyond melee range, and they all move in huge packs. This is the Air Force's wet dream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRU1AJsXN1g

All day every day baby.

But if you must fight these things with man portable stuff then probably give everybody SAWs or 240bs with those fancy backpack mounts. Conventional throwaway AT weaponry to deal with the armored shits.

Or maybe cut down barretts, anzios and .50 beowulf converted ARs?

Maybe revive the microgun?
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>>28527809

where is mount /k/? i wish to make a pilgrimage
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>>28523451
I invent a cure for autism, and distribute it to all Japanese nationals.

Retarded shit like this ceases to be made.
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>>28526316
Retarded questions deserve retarded answers which is exactly why I'm writing this post as a single sentence.
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>>28524653
start the bombardment with flechettes to poke the science-magic-shoot-aircraft-from-miles-away cunts in their stupid eyeballs. Then being the air attacks earlier.
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>>28527947
ok here me out

i been watching this bs while all the hype soaked out to /k/ 2 years ago or so

basically allies have giant eyeballs on legs that shoot lases
that why anything flying is no go unless well teenagers fly their robots than its ok

why do even want imply so logic in someone masturbatory power fantasy where everything is powered by plot armor ?
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Replace everything with 155mm
155mm on tanks, IFVs, what have you
Flechettes if lasers start popping up
Overpressurization gets them even if they're armored with "muh mohs 15 diamond"
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>>28527990
kiddo, you should look at the stuff hollywood makes if you think this is retarded
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>>28523492
>magazine

Nah OP's video was more of a snippet than anything
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>>28527680
So what you're saying is we need Metal Gear REX?
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>>28523451
I'd use MMM ball and widow mines.
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Cluster munitions
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This thread is such fucking bait
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This might be the one time rods from God would work. You know where the hives are just hit them. Lasers? They're built to survive reentry plasma. Cost? Human survival>money & environmental damage Tech? Lunar colonies are thing in this setting.

Anything dies if you shoot it. Just use more gun.

Captcha you are right: this shit is bananas
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>>28530693
>Lunar colonies are thing in this setting.
Isn't the moon overrun with BETA?
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>>28531108
Yeah, ever since 1973 all forces on the moon was pulled back to earth.
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>>28526777
>cowboy bepop
>Fucking everyone trashed it in Japan
Thats because bebop was boring shit.
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>>28527485
1000 lbs is 950kg now
What a time to be american
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>getting invaded by aliums

>BETTER MAKE MECHS!

Japan is retarded.

R&D and production better spent on jets, helicopters and tanks.
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>>28523451
>balistic munitions not working.
White phosphorus the fuck our of everything. Flamethrowers for those that make it through.

https://youtu.be/BfcHVBIyJyA
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>>28529528
>that why anything flying is no go unless well teenagers fly their robots than its ok

IIRC one was shot down by a laser.

And the reason they didn't get popped in droves is because they were more like jump jets than proper flying (so the laser didn't have enough time to lock on or something)
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>>28526717
I say the same thing about 40K vs. Star Wars and Star Trek, and people still go on about "spess mahreens"
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>>28526932
>nuclear mine
>acronym is MADM
If this had ever been deployed I'd give it 10 seconds before the soldiers started calling it the "madman".
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>>28531401
>Star wars
How can you say that? It's not even trying to be realistic.
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>>28531246

>getting invaded by aliums

>BETTER MAKE MECHS!

you also forgot

>Every nation fights by themselves or for the UN

>Soviets being trusted all the time

>US not in charge of EVERYTHING, but has to allow other nations to have portions of its land to live

In the event of an invasion of this time everyone would look to the US to do most of the god dam work.
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>>28531401
40k has the excuse of 'gods' existing, and they have lore solidly rooted in the use/shunning of magic. It's gritty and slightly more based on weapons tech compared to most sci-fi, but it's not meant to be entirely realism.
One thing they have which isn't used in most franchises is atmosphere-igniting weapons (Exterminatus), and they're treated the same way nukes are nowadays (only use them if you don't plan in using anything from that planet for a long-ass time).
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>>28523451
>Note : Tanks/Missiles/Planes/Artillery is not an acceptable answer for the same reason that one line answers get you half a mark at best in high school.
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>>28527171
That would've worked out better if they used gliders instead.
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They come in huge hordes, why are they wasting men on the ground and not just place mine fields and focus on air attacks and artillery strikes.
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>>28531550
Laser class
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>>28531401
There was recently a news article where someone had calculated that Finland would win the war against Galactic Empire :D
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Artillery
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>>28523451

A hefty dose of plot armour (the only thing keeping earth being stomped, especially considering all of the beta are not even military classa and are just miners, apart from the laser fort)
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How would satellite-based weaponry do against BETAs? Surely even the laser classes couldn't deal with kinetic bombardments in large numbers.
Do the BETA even have direct space combat capabilities?
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>>28531550

The US is the only ones in MuvLuv to use nuclear landmines in Northern Canada. They manage to save the continent and keep most of the populated Canadian areas safe from fallout. The first season takes place mostly in a unaffected Alaska. Europe and Asia simply wanted to try to take on the invaders without nukes.
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>>28531467
My point was more that there's a set of 'rules' for how almost everything works in 40K. How the powers of the Warp work and interact with the material universe, what interferes with or enhances them, and so on. While things like artificial muscle fibers in power armor, rifles that fire 2-stage gyrojet HEAP rounds, and other assorted techno-wizardry makes a hell of a lot more mechanical and metaphysical sense than Blasters or The Force.
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>>28531616

They don't. The BETA are mostly designed to strip mine and convert living material like the Tyranids of Warhammer 40k lore. They use drop pods to supply military forces, not sure if space based weapons was mentioned in the lore.
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>>28531629
Wait, so what was the "spess muhreens" bit about then? You were saying people complain about them?
I don't see why they would, they're some of the more sensible things in the franchise.
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>>28524230
Please no. If 2 nukes turned them in to what we have now I don't even want to imagine what 20 or more nukes would have turned them into.
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>>28531669
If we nuked them 20 times anime would be real. And tentacle monsters would be raping their way across the world
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>>28531641
Well I meant the setting in general. Space Marines are one of the better bits, I agree. I even vaguely recall there being some sort of real life genetics shit that backs up the whole "only guys because something-something based off the Primarch's chromosomes" part.
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>>28531759
Yeah, Marines are 3+ meters tall, with multiple spare organs and huge amounts of muscle mass. Basically a geneticist's wet dream.
The main leaders of the Empire were all sons/clones of the Emperor, each with slightly different genetics. The different factions were all based off them, but I can't remember if the Marines ALL use DNA from them in turn (some definitely do to some degree, like the Blood Angels, leading to weird psychic links between them).
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>>28531833
Emperor starts his primarchproject to make 20 nearly god like beings think more Hercules type god then all powerful god) he used his knowledge from the thunder warriors he made before. After the chaos gods spread the primarch across the galaxy he toOK the genetic material to make the original spess mehreens. When each marine gets the geneseed from his chapter he is receiving genetic material from the original primarch.
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>>28531936
What this /k/omrade said.

To elaborate a bit (and this depends partly on how canon you view the Horus Heresy novels), the Emperor used the genetic knowledge from the Thunder Warriors project, as well as all the various super-geneticists who weren't insane that he recruited, to make the Primarchs, who were based on his genetics and powered with the warp as well. The 20 Space Marine legions used their Primarch's genetic material as a catalyst, adding to the general Space Marine template, and inclining them all to various temperaments and specialties. This is also major reason why the Space Marines are held in such high regard by most of the Imperium, in a manner of speaking they're the genetic grandsons of the Emperor.

While to further contrast, the Adeptus Custodes (who have often been considered to be super-astartes) are said to be individually crafted, which could mean a number of things but presumably it's an invested and complicated process where the Emperor uplifts someone in some way that achieves the desired result of creating an ultra elite warrior-bodyguard.
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>>28531130
Guaranteed reply.
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>>28531833
>Marines are 3+ meters tall
Hah, no.
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>>28531126
>beta's just happen to overwhelm all countries japan has previously had a beef with

Woooow, they sure are closet assholes huh.
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>>28523653
Perfect answer
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>>28533300
That's because they are the closest one.
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>>28527680
Tomohawks can fly map of the Earth, they're immune to lasers.
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>>28531558
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>>28533586
/m/uv luv fag here.
landmines are defensive-only .
and SPOILER the central mind adapts when humanity "try" a new tactic/strategy END SPOILER.

so, if you landmine an entire combat line, they just dig below a cave, and get your ass, for example . gg ez.

>>28534781
well, a cruiser missile is viable when the terrain can cover it from direct sight , like you said.
but in flat terrain, well..

>>28531622
>The US is the only ones in MuvLuv to use nuclear landmines in Northern Canada
uhhhh, partially wrong.
U$A , with their infinite wisdom (and witnessed the fall on moon) just ICBM´d the FUCK OUT the landsite. I just wanna imagine multiple warheads directly to one small area...

> The first season takes place mostly in a unaffected Alaska. Europe and Asia simply wanted to try to take on the invaders without nukes.
NOPE.TIFF
all of this bullshit begins with (obviously) THE COMMIES. specially with China.
>HURR AN AYYLIUM SHIP IS LANDING IN OUR LAND
>DURR JUST KEEP OURSELVES AND DENY ANY ASSISTANCE FROM OUTSIDE.
and even knowing what happened on moon or Mars, they JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP, on a cosmic level.
(yes, we know , Kouki, you hate the red chinks...)

...and then, shit hit the fan, U$A enter in damage control (they fabricate the SHADOW system that kill any BETA "ship"), and the UN, like always, being useless.

>>28531616
at least , in the lore, they not take down any satellites. so, kinetic bombardment or asteroid bombardment would be possible.

but, hey! this is a mecha porn game, who is saved by the true love, interdimensional space-time handwaving and 4 billion of idiots.

and NO. they not have any space combat capabilities (and that´s why some robots-TSFs are launched from space, but not all of them land intact, tho)
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>>28535003
>/m/uv luv fag here
>/m/

You know what is next.
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>>28535003

Using mechs in open field combat is still dumb as shit when the optimal composition is FSV's and SPAAGS. Mechs are reserved for going into the hive, and not used at any other time.

For the price of one mech, you can build a dozen of Sprut/M8 AGS/Tunguska/Gepard. Humanity is shooting itself in the foot by spamming expensive mechs as line units.

These things win the field battle, then once the surface is secure, you use ELITE HIGHLY TRAINED mech pilots rather than 15 year olds you picked up off the street.

All this bullshit about "not enough candidates" to allow for better mech pilot training is bullshit considering they have enough warm bodies to still deploy infantry.

Nobody prone to panicking at the sight of the enemy is fit to be put in a multi-million dollar piece of equipment.
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>>28531093
>lux can only engage high altitude targets up to 30 km
>magnus lux cannot engage high altitude targets

Holy shit OP, this is too easy. High altitude saturation bombing from standoff munitions. There is literally a massive hole in their air defense that is so incredibly ready to be exploited. Literally just load up some B-1Bs full of cluster munitions that have been kitted to be glide bombs and drop those motherfuckers from 60 km away in perfect safety.

>>28535003
>central mind adapts when humanity "try" a new tactic/strategy
>literally the plot must go on
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>>28523492
im not sure if you're being clever or retarded...
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>>28535250
But the mechs aren't line units. They're fast-attack meant for taking out priority targets (read: lasers) and being a fast-response force.
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>>28535303
see>>28531558
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>>28523451
nuclear landmines and lots and lots of MLRS
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>>28527205
nuclear landmines aren't actually planted in the ground. They're on the back of a small flatbed that you cam up in some woods by a road and wait for Ivan to roll past, then it goes boom
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>>28535390
Cluster bombs. Have fun with that pathetic 5 kills per minute fire rate.
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>>28524310
This guy is 100% spot on. All you faggots trying to think of ways he isn't are an embarrassment.

>b-but muh hollywood

Nigga, suspension of disbelief requires that something make sense WITHIN THE CONTEXT IT IS PRESENTED. If the context is modern earth facing down these monstrosities from the stars then we have to think of things modern earthlings would do to stop them, otherwise it looks silly and contrived. They should have chosen a different setting if they wanted lolmecha
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>>28535445
>nuclear cluster bombs where each cluster is a Davy Crockett round
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>>28535463
>cluster is a Davy Crockett round
I meant bomblet obviously
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>>28531093
>They never, ever hit allies
Put on retroreflector armor
Every time the laser aliums aim they see themselves.
Thus they will never shoot.
Even if they do, in the time it takes for the photoreflector to burn away, they're also burning away their eyes, rendering them useless.
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>>28535390
>single B-1B can carry 30xCBU-87/103
>each CBU-87/103 contains 202 bomblets
>at high altitude release a single CBU087/103 can cover an area of 120x240m

There isn't enough lazers in all of animu to stop this kind of saturation.

>>28535463
My dick is diamonds.
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>>28535514
>>28535538
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Tsar bomb-sized IRBMs
doesn't matter if they laser it because everything within visual range is very, very dead anyway
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>>28535579
lrn2read
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>>28535463
Oh fuck yes.
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Slap legs and thrust vectoring nozzles on a Tomcat.
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>>28535579
What's your point? There is still going to be a literal cloud of bomblets coming in from over 60 km away, and with the stated "recharge" times and kill rates, a sizable part of the salvo will hit the desired target. If I really wanted to get fancy, i would just say load up all those bombers with JASSM modded with submunition payloads. But CBU's modded with WCMDs and glide kits are cheaper and more boner inducing in my book.
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>>28535003
>/m/uv luv fag here.
landmines are defensive-only .
and SPOILER the central mind adapts when humanity "try" a new tactic/strategy END SPOILER.

I'd love to see them outsmart a shitload of Project Plutos just unloading nuclear amrageddon or a project Orion unleashing cabasa howitzer warheads and firing nuclear blumes to utterly anhiliate all resistance. Or just build a really big gigaton sized nuke and wipe eurasia off the map.

And once the apocalyptic human attack is over in minutes, the hive mind's logic will be to fuck off our planet asap lest we unleash the 2nd wave.
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>>28523492
I've been calling anything actually called a clip a magazine as a joke to myself. It's like I'm already 45 and my kids hate me.
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>>28535758
How could i possibly forget about the beauty that his Project Pluto and the Casaba Howitzer?
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>>28524499
I tried reading the manga

utter garbage

It was cool at first, but then devolved into a self insert for weebs that like elves, lolis, and catgirls.

After the opening and battle at the fort, it became nonstop filler. Anime is garbage. I don't understand how anyone can like it.
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>>28535579
u mad?
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>>28535786
>beta ass BETA lmaos shoot puny laser guns at us.
>we shoot directional nuclear blasts right back at them.


I also liked the Thunderwell project, it makes me wonder how it could be militarized into nuclear powered steam cannons shooting molten tons of steel flying at like 100km/s or about 223200 mph, about as fast as the Helios probe travelling through the solar system.

We could probably use those too.
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>>28535883
>make mega-sized CBU with each submunition being a tiny casaba

I missed a great time in our history. Just think, the men and women who worked on these things were pretty much told to think up the most creative ways to utilize our new found power.

Also, I'd like to point out that no one has mentioned thermobaric weapons yet. Seeing as most of these ayys are fleshy little shits, fire ought to work real good on them.
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>>28535131
dunno, man, i like /k/ btw.

>>28535250
>paragraph 1 and 2
yes, every frodoposting in /m/ and /a/ agree with this.

>you use ELITE HIGHLY TRAINED mech pilots rather than 15 year olds you picked up off the street
agree, but in the lore, most of the adult people are dead, and for the plot lulz, any pilot trained for any aircraft before 1973 (when BETA arrives on earth) are dumb shit to use TSFs

if they can´t use that pieces of shit, WHO CAN?

>paragraph 4 & 5
that is some kind of wrong depiction in anime. but still, you have a point.

about the PSTD, that bitch is resilent to "hypnotherapy"...

>>28535303
>literally the plot must go on
maybe. but is not unrealistic...

>>28535664
well, even a Tsar bomb it is little to BETA... believe me, they have TRILLIONS of minions in Earth only...

the unique solution for me is asteroid bombardment.

>>28535758
depends if the bomb GETS close enough. maybe the lasers damage enough mid air to deactivate it.

>>28535806
like always, good premise, fucked up direction.
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>>28536043
>get close enough.

Nigga you could detonate these from several kilometers away and the plume would devastate everything in nuclear fire and pressure in front.

There's no point defense lasers against that.

And a gigaton nuke just has to be detonated in the same continent, but it would probably kill the entire earth...so those dirty bugs don't get it first.

Also
>be jap
>get nuked again
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>>28536043
>depends if the bomb GETS close enough. maybe the lasers damage enough mid air to deactivate it.

>ayys can intercept swarms supersonic terrain following nuclear cruise missiles

I dunno, seems like a tall order even for magical ayys. The reason you have a better chance of intercepting sea skimmers is because there is little terrain for a sea skimmer to hide behind, but a terrain following supersonic missile has that option, meaning you can keep them masked long enough to negate the reaction time or volume of fire of the point defense,
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>>28523451
mine a large area and kite them into it
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>>28536043

>agree, but in the lore, most of the adult people are dead, and for the plot lulz, any pilot trained for any aircraft before 1973 (when BETA arrives on earth) are dumb shit to use TSFs

>if they can´t use that pieces of shit, WHO CAN?

so VN had no infantry and armor section? Then that gets lightly more justifiable.

The elephant in the room then becomes "who's making the fucking mechs?". Just ball-parking that they need the same amount of man hours and resources as an OTL fighter, that's 50,000+ man hours to make one, and fuck knows that mechs are more expensive than fighters are.

You are putting the fruit of 50,000 man hours in the hands of teenagers who get themselves blown up in 8 minutes. If you have the manpower and resources to build mechs, you fucking have the manpower and resources to train the pilots to not be complete fuckups.
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>>28531246
>not reading the setting material that explains why that doesn't work
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>>28535458
which is why every hollywood movie with an alien invasion ends in 15 mins after the president orders the use of WMDs right?
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>>28536316
Anon, i can tell you have never served in the military before.

Let's say you have 100 pilots sitting around and fresh off the production line TSFs okay. The BETA are about to eat a huge city and the evacuation isn't done yet.

Do you think the higher ups aren't going to send them out to stall for time?
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>>28537939
Are these wondermachines and their pilots worth more than the city? If yes, you do not deploy them. If no, you do not use them as cannon fodder, or as a means to stall. These wondermachines are too costly in materials and manpower to justify using them as expendable.
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>>28538012
Of course you don't use them as canon fodder, you send them out as a strike unit with orders to pull back if it gets dangerous.

Nobody sends people out and tells them its a suicide mission and not to bother coming back.

But war isn't a video game so you don't always get the luxury of right clicking to retreat with impunity.
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>>28538032
Also the generals are going to be motivated for political reasons too, who wants to get pulled infront of congress to explain why they didn't deploy a wonder weapon and "let" millions of new yorkers die?
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>>28538051
It still comes down to that calculus though. If the risk of losing your one advantage over the enemy is too great, you simply do not take that risk, no matter how "damaging" it may be to your reputation. Military institutions pay lots of money to have pencil pushers and eggheads figure out just how good your odds are in a fight and how much you are risking for good reason: you're playing with very expensive assets.

Jesus fuck, i can't believe I'm actually indulging the nonsense of your /a/utis/m/.
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>>28523451
Old school ass barbed wire and trenches? If these things are even smart you could just mine the fuck out of your retreat so it's slow going for them
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The defensive line is comprised of tanks and mg's. Just like the line aiming straight down the walkway. The things up top are pits filled with spikes to hold the enemies when they fall and fire to kill everything that falls in. Make choke point surrounded by fire and kill everything that comes through.
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>>28538333
Also I know I draw like a 3 year old. If I had anything better than my phone it wouldn't look like that.
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I dunno, my IT classes seem to be perfectly fine with one-line answers.
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>>28527680
Why can't they shoot down artillery if they can shoot down missiles? A trident 2 would work perfectly then because it is going 5x faster than artillery on reentry.
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This anime sounds dumb.
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>>28538621
They have a wiki page about some weird cyborg having the emotions of an alien sexually tortured girl.

LMAO
M
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ICBM the everliving fuck out of them
If "muh lasers" can't even shoot down tank rounds (around mach 5), they sure as hell can't intercept mach 20+ nukes heading straight for their collective hive asses.
>Welcome to Earf
>now git
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>>28538621
>Anime
>Dumb
Pick two
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>>28523451
But can they EVEN TOUCH Madara Uchiha? Let alone defeat him. And I'm not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara. I'm not talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara either. Hell, I'm not even talking about Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano'o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu. I’m also not talking about Kono Yo no Kyūseishu Futarime no Rikudō Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan (which is capable of Izanagi and Izanami), his two original Rinnegan (which grant him Chikushōdō, Shuradō, Tendō, Ningendō, Jigokudō, Gakidō, Gedō, Banshō Ten’in, Chibaku Tensei, Shinra Tensei, Tengai Shinsei and Banbutsu Sōzō) and a third Tomoe Rinnegan on his forehead, capable of using the Infinite Tsyukuyomi Genjutsu, Katon, Fūton, Raiton, Doton, Suiton, Mokuton, Ranton, Inton, Yōton and even Onmyōton Jutsu, equipped with his Gunbai(capable of using Uchihagaeshi) and a Shakujō because he is a master in kenjutsu and taijutsu, a perfect Susano’o (that can use Yasaka no Magatama ), control of both the Juubi and the Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju’s DNA and face implanted on his chest, his four Rinbo Hengoku Clones guarding him and nine Gudōdama floating behind him AFTER he absorbed Senjutsu from the First Hokage, entered Rikudō Senjutsu Mode, cast Mugen Tsukuyomi on everybody and used Shin: Jukai Kōtan so he can use their Chakra while they are under Genjutsu.
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>>28541224
I'm talking about sagemode sage of the six paths Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Legendary Super Saiyan 4 Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Rinnegan, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and Geass doujutsus, equipped with his Shining Trapezohedron while casting Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann as his Susanoo, controlling the Gold Experience Requiem stand, having become the original vampire after having absorbed Alucard as well as a God Hand, able to tap into the speedforce, wearing the Kamen Rider Black RX suit, with Kryptonian DNA implanted in him and having eaten Popeye's spinach while possessing quantum powers like Dr. Manhattan and having mastered Hokuto Shinken.
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Schwarzesmarken's ED is goat.
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>>28531564
Was the writer literally retarded?
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>>28544126
Literally and literarily.
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>>28523451
>>28531093
>>28531558
>>28535003
>>28535579
>>28536043
So these aliens rely primarily on lasers to negate the effectiveness of our weaponry?

Good thing there are ways to negate laser effectiveness as well.

>mirrors blocking lasers
>knowing anything about materials science

Using a combination of air burst WP bomb clusters from laser diffusion range and cloud seeding to increase rainfall percentages our plan (operation dark storm lol) is to eliminate laser hit ratio through increasing airborne particulate levels. Naturally the apocalyptic scenario necessitates all measures to ensure survival so the ecological damage is a non issue. Following neutralization of laser defenses, saturation nuclear bombing will commence across effected areas until the threat has been neutralized.
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>>28547131
Also LOL at armor rating based on Moh's scale. Someone clearly didnt do their research.
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>>28527757
blackhawks are so fucking multipurpose holy shit
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>>28523451
An even bigger tank.
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>>28547131
good planification.
you forgot something called "we have reserves...[spoiler] A LOT of reserves[/spoiler]"

pic related, for consideration, m8.

[spoiler]yes, it is almost impossible to win this war alone with conventional weapons, but with the help of orbital and meteor bombardment, everything is possible :^)[/spoiler]
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>>28550082
I fail to see how that changes anything. Nuclear weapons are not conventional, neither are chemical, which have been discussed above. The aliens have not occupied the most uranium rich areas of the world leaving continued nuke production unhindered. The map indicates 22 hives. Destruction of each hive will be accomplished in stages.

initial MIRV bombardment will destroy the monument and reveal the stab. Second wave will consist of nuclear penetrators to eliminate near surface tunnels. If tunnels are as large as indicated by your images they will be easy to destabilize with repeated ground shock of nuclear munitions (square cube law). Final stage will consist of thermobaric munition insertion into stab and surrounding tunnels, incinerating remaining aliens.

Orbital bombardment is of course an option but not the only one
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>>28550761
http://muvluv.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Unin/FrodoTip:_Nukes%3F
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>>28523451
Nukes. Nukes are always the answer.
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>>28551160
I'm not denying it will take a lot of nukes, I think you underestimate the nuclear production capabilities of mankind. I also assumed a spaceborne alien organism would be resistant to radiation, in this case nuclear weapons are being used to destroy the hives themselves. If I would make one change to my previous post it would be to replace the final, thermobaric wave with another nuclear deployment.
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>>28535727
Underrated post.
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>Not developing Ion space cannons to simply glass them.
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>>28551408
too bad the atmosphere will get in the way
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>>28537868
>Alien invasion occurs over highly populated US city
>it makes sense that the president would not want to nuke HIS OWN CITIZENS


Trrrrrrrrry again!
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>>28551452
name me a single alien invasion movie where the aliens are defeated via nukes before touching down.
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>>28524310
/thread

Also I never understood why the muv luv universe had such a hard on for battleships. Is it just supposed to be superior IJN fanwanking?
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>>28551481
Armageddon & Deep Impact
>alien cyanobacteria
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>>28551452
>>Alien invasion occurs over highly populated US city
>>it makes sense that the president would not want to nuke HIS OWN CITIZENS
That's why you need civil defense and public shelters.
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the BETA are basically the posleen from Legacy of the Aldenate
you couldn't fly around posleen ships either
fuckers eat everything in sight too

YOU FOUGHT THEM WITH REJUVINATED WAFFEN-SS IN GIANT FUCKING TANKS

okay so all the other militaries had to do the same because 90% of the world got eaten

also where the fuck is the next book in the Hadren War goddamn it's been 7 years now
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>gg no re
Space agencies worldwide detect incoming object from space. Nukes launched. Its existence is relegated to an article-of-the-day about a successful defense against an "incoming asteroid", if anyone ever even gets told about it.

>realistically
Tanks, planes, missiles and artillery.

>but nuh-uh because eyeball lasers
WMDS. Thermobaric weapons.

>nuh-uh no vehicles
High-ROF machine guns with ammunition backpacks, water-cooled barrels, and HEAP ammunition. Shoulder-fired anti-tank launchers.

>ayyliens: DEAD
>freedom: RESTORED
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>>28552224
>Nukes launched.
How many models of missiles capable to have nuclear warhead do you know in service?
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>>28552360
I don't see how the space agencies couldn't just modify the payload section of an existing rocket to carry the nukes to their intercept route.
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>>28552418
But what if the alien ships can dodge or have the ability to destroy the missiles?
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>>28552418
Time and guidance system
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>>28550082
Wait, are you telling me their plot mandated weak point is protected by a mere 600m of rock? Are you kidding me? This is so trivial it's not even a problem.

>>28551160
>Couldn't the ground shock be used to collapse a hive? Followed by technobabble ignoring the effects of detonating a nuke inside tunnels
Topkek.
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>>28552669
So how are you going to deliver those nukes?
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>>28552427
We shoot more fucking missiles at them.
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>>28523451
I really can't really think of a better use for barbed wire than to slow the advance of creatures that drag their faces across the ground as the scuttle about on their armlegs.
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>>28551483

Yes, in the muv luv version of history all 3 Yamatos survived and the IJN fought well enough that the got a conditional peace.

>>28552693

Rods from god.

Orbital drop nukes attached to the ass of a kinetic kill vehicle.

The reentry happens at high enough speeds that the plasma sheathe dissipates all incoming lasers.

At that kind of velocity and density, the shock from hitting the ground is survivable by a nuke. Once the warhead is far enough below ground, it detonates.
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>>28551442

Tell that to the GDI and Generals USA.

> Ion cannon activated
> Particle cannon ready
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Forget plain old mirrors.
Retroreflectors on everything!
They don't even have to be fancy bullshit science 99.9% reflective mirrors. Any stupid anime alien that shoots a technobabble lazor at a retroreflector made of typical 95% mirror will fry its self before it burns through the mirror.
Glass too fragile for you? Chrome and polish your shit.

Bedazzle your nukes like they're rhinestone cowboys, then drop them on everything, including Japan. All problems solved.
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Lure them into a forest then set it on fire.
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>>28538032

Trading space for time is absolutely a viable military tactic. Stalin issued a "not one step back" order at one point, and even he was smart enough to realize that was a fucking stupid idea that was costing was too much forces.

The muv luv people are just retards. Rushing pilot training for expensive equipment is shooting yourself in the foot. What you need is to buy time in whatever way possible, if it means leaving civvies behind then so be it, give them some old AK's so they might take a few with them.

Once you have a trained cadre of pilots, you overall casualty rate drops, you can beat pilot attrition, and actually turn the tide.

But the muv luv writers have standard nip level knowledge, which is jack shit.
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>>28552915
But MuvLuv aliens salt the earth. The territory you're giving away isn't coming back, even if you do remove xeno.
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>>28552427
ICBMs go 4 or 5 times faster than the muzzle velocity of a 120mm L/55
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>>28552956
With all the nukes we're tossing around, the lost territory isn't coming back anyway, so no worries. If we can get rid of the xenos then we can worry about the repopulation, rebuilding, decontamination, xeno biology/cloning/weapons, finances and the like later.
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>>28552427
Decoys, bitch.
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Just watched an episode of Muv Luv Alternative

Absolute fucking trash. Oh well, I guess a single webm isn't proof enough something is good
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>>28553073
What did you expect? Most of the anime people are jerking off about is just dumb ideas+loli.
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>>28553081
I didn't think it was going to be as bad as it was but honestly from the artwork from the game I guess I already knew
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>>28553073

did you watch the whole first episode? I thought it was garbage till the end theres a cool action scene where a bunch of people die
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>>28552559
Again, payload sections for any modern rocket are highly modular (and larger than an ICBM), so fitting a few MIRV clusters into it is no big deal. Guidance might take a hit, but once again modern guidance systems can be highly autonomous, and as long as we know where we want them to hit, the onboard computers can calculate an intercept vector. The only problem is range really, and how close is too close for intercept.
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>>28553109
>it figures out where it is, by figuring out where it isn't
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>>28536036
>and women.
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>>28524653
I'm with the guy who said to use chemical weapons. You can make something harmless to humans that would kill the shit out of the BETA and put it in smoke grenades, bombs, bullet coatings, ect. You win right there.
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>>28527757
The BETA have complete air superiority with their laser monsters.
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>>28553143
Obligatory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZe5J8SVCYQ
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>>28552224
> >gg no re
>Space agencies worldwide detect incoming object from space. Nukes launched. Its existence is relegated to an article-of-the-day about a successful defense against an "incoming asteroid", if anyone ever even gets told about it.

ironically, SHADOW (the in-universe satellite network in charge to destroy incoming shits) was created AFTER two succesful landings.

but the worst is the chinese trying to keep ayylium tecnology to reverse it.

Muv Luv have a incredibly stupid lore. nobody should take seriously or realistic this piece of porn garbage.
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>>28553369
They're mines, you drop them ahead of time
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>>28552669
not specifically rock, its a ayylium rock, moar resistant to HURR DURR human weapons.
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>>28552427
MIRV?
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HURRR DURRR INVINCIBLE ALIENS ONLY GIRLS IN MECH SUITS CAN BE AT THEM HURRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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>>28554085
They aren't invincible, it's just a no win scenario. It was over when team human didn't nuke the first hive into oblivion. The alien mining robots have better tech and better numbers, the only thing keeping humanity going for so long is they were only an annoyance and they barely impact mining operations.
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>>28554067
Won't each warhead still follow a predictable path once they are released?
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Thermobaric weapons.
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>>28523451
enemy with
>no air support
>no artillery
>literally no counterbattery capability
>swarm tactics
>relies entierly on weight of numbers

ok so spam artillery like its going out of fashion and shell the living shit out of every concentration of enemy forces observed

defensively just do the traditional using landmines to force enemies into kill zones with intersecting fields of fire

mechanize the shit out of everything (as almost every modern military has) and drill troops so that once the enemy is closer than 200m they can withdraw quickly and set up again at prepared lines behind them

whenever those 120mm proof rhino shits appear just hit them with a tactical nuke

if offensives break through start smothering the area with whatever gas is most toxic to these alien fucks

for infantry weapons make cheap rpgs commonplace and use battle rifles to increase effective range and killing power

in urban warfare just crack out the flamethrowers and thermobarics on their asses

oh and build a 200mm+ direct fire SPG which can just plant a fucking giant HESH or HEAT round into the face of advancing enemy formations

hell, the enemy has like no ranged weapons, just start slapping heavy weapons on light vehicle and truck chassis and line them up for the slaughter
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If they can create bullshit mecha that can fight the alien threat they can also create viable weapon systems that can fight them better
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>>28554325
Read the thread. The only reason the aliens are so successful are due to their magic laser eye ball things >>28531093
that act as magic point-defense against incoming projectiles and anti - air >>28531558
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Thermobaric stuff would probably do wonders.
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>>28531093
Why is Heavy Laser class only effective 500 metres high while having 100 km range?

Considering that, the lesser Lux class has effective ceiling range of 10 km high.
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It seems the anime makers use the mohs system to define armor. What the actual fuck
Anyway, assuming the big heavy armored ones have armor impenetrable by 120/125, just do as this anon >>28554325 >>28529837 mentioned
High caliber weaponry; it's like shooting 152mm at tiger 2 / t-72s. It won't pen but shit's gonna get fucked up real bad
Pic related is a Ferdinand hit by a 203mm
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>>28554473
Cluster bombs.
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>>28531093

>Giant vagina monster
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>>28554654
>2.3 m
>giant
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So, what is this animu again? Looks familiar but I don't know what he fuck it is.
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>>28554702
Do you not know how to read the filename or the thread itself?
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>>28554702
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>>28554707
To be fair muv luv really doesn't look like a title.
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>>28554666

If the vagina makes up the size of half its torso thats still almost your mom siize
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Werf flammens at them. From tanks.
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>>28554741
T-thats the name of it? Just thought it was randomly generated. Thanks I guess.
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>>28554707
>>28554741
>muv luv 39

>>28554702
>>28554965
It's muv luv Schwarzesmarken
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>>28552693
You dont need to deliver the nukes into the hive lol, based on images of the tunnels they are in excess of 600 meters wide. At that size and depth, even slight ground shock will collapse them (sqaure cube law)
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>>28552824
except the earth's magnetic field by its nature blocks cosmic particle bombardment, allowing us to live relatively cancer-free lives. I'm sorry this conflicts with your video game logic (even if it was a GOAT video game)
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>>28553369
And we have already discussed how to disable these laser monsters. Next.
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>>28554473
please read >>28547131
lasers are not unbeatable, in fact they have been beatable since before we had the technology to deploy them
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>lasers

Heavy metal clouds are already proven to work in-series. Combine it with grid-square-removal from MLRS, backed by 155mm SPH delivering DPICM also.

As a bonus, this defeats Destroyer-class, because DPICM are top-attack and use HEAT besides, which ignores hardness in its penetration mechanism.

Then have tanks to out-maneuver and purge any survivors who leak past the steel rain. Use some arty-delivered cluster minefields to make sure.
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>>28555396
Also armor rating based on the moh's scale shows a severe lack of understanding.
>muh diamond tank armor

Now I need to dig up that diamond copypasta
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>>28555414
Waaay ahead of you senpai.
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>>28555422
thanks familia
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>>28523451
Fire Buster Machine 3 within Earth's orbit.

That should sort them out.
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>>28555581
picus forgotus
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>>28532887
>the Adeptus Custodes
theres conflicting lore, as always in 40k, that says they are to SPESS MUHREENZ as the SM are to humans, or are to the primarchs as the humans. its just theres so few custodes.
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>>28554501
HOLY SHIT.
where is the upper armor?
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Looks like anime got BTFO yet again
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>>28556523
Presumably thrown into the air and landed some 30 feet away
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