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Federal Courts have officially ruled that the 1st Amendment covers wearing military awards you haven't earned and lying about service

http://www.stripes.com/news/veterans/us-appeals-court-wearing-unearned-military-medals-is-free-speech-1.388241

This apparently also extends to lying about your military service on the stand during witness testimony in a criminal case

>Swisher testified that David Roland Hinkson offered him $10,000 to kill the federal judge presiding over Hinkson's tax-evasion case. Swisher said Hinkson was impressed after Swisher boasted that he killed "many men" during the Korean War.
>Prosecutors say Swisher enlisted in the Marine Corps a year after the Korean War ended but was never wounded in the line of duty. Swisher was honorably discharged in 1957, and discharge documents indicate that he didn't receive any medals, according to the 9th Circuit ruling.
>During his 2007 trial, prosecutors showed the jury a photograph of Swisher wearing several military medals and awards, including the Silver Star, Navy and Marine Corps Ribbon, Purple Heart, and the Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal with a Bronze "V."
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>>28519037

Time to update my stack then. The 8 I earned just ain't enough.
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Isn't it technical identity theft, kind of like pretending to be a doctor?
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If the prosecutor introduced it into evidence it wasn't to call him a war hero
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>>28519065
Nothing illegal about pretending to be a doctor as long as you don't try to practice. Name one good reason (besides it being disrespectful to vets) that lying about your job should be illegal ever.

Lying about it under oath should still be perjury, but what the lie is shouldn't matter.
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>>28519065
No, for it to be identity theft you need to be stealing a specific person's identity. "Stolen valor" is only a crime now if you seek to profit from it.

>>28519074
There are two cases involved here. The first was the case Swisher was called on to act as a witness. He showed up in his military uniform, covered in medals he didn't earn, talking about how he "killed many men" in Korea. People noticed this and looked into it, then learned he enlisted after the Korean war ended and never earned any medals. The prosecutors' comments are related to his own criminal case, not the first one where he was a witness.
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>>28519037
>the first amendment says you can't be prosecuted for being a lying Asshole
Oh no, whatever will we do if Americans are allowed to say and do things that don't physically or monetarily hurt anybody?
>welfare queens in charge of understanding or supporting the constitution
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>>28519037

Meh, i could care less as long as they dont..

A) Try to take charge of an situation by using rank they did not earn, like that one guy who tried to take charge of first responders because he was pretending to be a SOF medic. (he got V&)

B) try to get benefits or other monetary gains.

I do enjoy laughing at them during youtube videos.
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>>28519104
OP here, didn't say I disagreed with it. The Stolen Valor act was unconstitutional as fuck. So long as someone isn't defrauding the public and trying to profit from it, IDGAF what they choose to dress up as.
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>>28519115

>like that one guy who tried to take charge of first responders because he was pretending to be a SOF medic. (he got V&)

Never heard that one.
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>>28519137
it minor details might be wrong, was on /k/ a year or so ago.

There was an accident or some kind of emergency, and some chucklefuck in a uniform tried directing first responders, and fucked up, and then got arrested and charged.
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>>28519085
Claiming benefits, either from charities or the government itself. More than a few have been busted for that.
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>>28519151
At that step it becomes fraud, which is already illegal.
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>>28519037

hello this is roger, esq., attorney at law, posting from my lenovo thinkpad Edge E530C

first let me clarify a couple of things

1. so "federal courts" don't do things together. this is what one circuit did, and doesn't bind the other circuits. the 9th circuit where this happened is basically california, a bunch of states with as many people as guam, and guam. until anything else happens that's as far as the decision goes

2. the stolen valor act that criminalized faking your service was already struck down by the US supreme court in 2012 because lying is free speech

3. the reason lying is free speech is because the constitution prohibits content-based restrictions on free speech, even lying, like the new york daily news, unless there's a really good reason

4. this isn't a good enough reason

they government did put a database of medal recipients up so that it's easier to check on whether a person is doing this but let's remember that broad reading of constitutional amendments is not only a good thing when it has to do with something you like

i'm literally a lawyer
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>>28519104
>>the first amendment says you can't be prosecuted for being a lying Asshole
Yes! 4chan is legally protected!
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>>28519165
>lenovo thinkpad Edge E530C

Go back to /g/.
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>>28519145

Well I was in the marines, does this mean I can't tell janitors what to do?
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>>28519180

No anon, your service of vaccuming parking lots only gives you minor things like (shitty, but cheap) healthcare, great loans and other shit from the USAA, free college or just a cold hard cash payout, and free shit from applebees once a year*

*List is not all inclusive.
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>>28519192

>He thinks I was issued a vacuum

I wish. You gotta join the Army to get fancy gear like that.
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>>28519173

never heard of it.

if u are offended by my showing off the stuff i buy when im not supporting your mothers reach up grant then i suggest you take her advice "dont take it out until it gets soft"
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>>28519065
Wouldn't it be more like impersonating a police officer? That can get you thrown in jail real quick
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>>28519037
This is complete fucking bullshit I didn't do a tour in MEPS so that fucking civvies could walk around wearing OUR uniform and pretending they know what WE went through.

Fucking civvie liberal commie judge better reverse this fucking bullshit fucking faggots

If I ever see one of these little shits trying to steal valor in public Imma show em what they taught me at Ft. Sam Houston and shove that uniform straight up their ass

USN
MEPS
2014
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>>28519456
If you joined the military just so you could walk about and get discounts, then I have absolutely no interest in you or your opinion.
Cry harder faggot, shame an IED didn't blow of your fleshy hands so you can't type.
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>>28519037
Well I'm glad the supreme court made the ruling it did.

If they had gone the other way, it could have paved the way for ALL SORTS of anti-First Amendment type laws.

I sometimes wonder if those westboro baptists were at all purposed for inciting Americans against their own First Amendment.

I just hope the supreme court shows the same wisdom when any rulings concerning the Second Amendment show up.


>for the fags mad that "stolen valor" is still legal
Holy Fuck, think about the implication of any law that would make that specifically illegal. Just try to come up with a fool proof method that doesn't also set precedence for limiting the free speech and free expression on something that matters to you.

Stolen Valor has, is and always will be something that should be handled unofficially with public shaming, aka using your free speech too.
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>>28519472
lol newfags
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>>28519472

>when people are so dumb they respond to an obvious joke

Flagrant anti-mils are worse than the most egotistical military people. Just foaming at the mouth, aren't you?
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>>28519480
>Just try to come up with a fool proof method that doesn't also set precedence for limiting the free speech and free expression on something that matters to you.
"Impersonating a United States soldier in public without the reason of historical reenactment is blah blah blah"
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>>28519165
I agree with the supreme court ruling. Let's just get that out of the way.

Now back to why I'm replying to your post. You look like you suck a mean cock, roger. Meeaann.
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>>28519499
>Based of the 2016 Anon's Stolen Valor Law, we have can draw a reasonable conclusion that the practicing and drilling of military style assault technique a shooting ranges is tantamount to impersonating a US soldier.

>Furthermore, we are broadening the scope of the original law to include the purchase and/or sale of any "military style assault weapons."

Yawn.

I didn't even try hard, really the first part would be stepping all over you talking about something someone in power doesn't want you to talk about.

>We are further protecting the freedoms of all Americans by additionally outlawing and inflammatory speech, or support of criminal acts and/or stated resistance to the law.

Now pick up that can.
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>>28519472
Haha mad cause your girl left you for the real fighting man she knew your faggot ass would never be

I got TONS of head when I got back

What'd you get after you got back from your gay little liberal arts college, other than homo-aids of course

USN
MEPS
2014
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>>28519407
Of course not.

Posted from one of my 7 iPhone 6s', while sitting in my 17,000 USD couch in my mansion just in Virgina, just a five minute walk from the beach using the stone path laid down by hand on the otherside of the garage with my McLaren P1.
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>>28519494
>I'm anti military because I think joining for the discount makes you a faggot
Whatever helps you sleep at night bud.
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>>28519565

Just stop talking new friend. You're lost in sauce.
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>dress son up as a soldier for halloween
>decide to add to it and add a few badges I bought at the BX
>walking around the neighborhood making sure he doesn't get kidnapped
>walk up to one house, has a bunch of "veteran" stickers on his lifted F-150
>also has a "be mindful of PTSD" sign in the yard
>son knocks on door
>a fat fuck wearing a Marines hat and T-shirt opens up the door
>"Trick or treat!"
>"W-what's this?"
>closely inspects my son's costume
>pulls out his smartphone, starts recording
>"Aviator badge, army ACUs, Marine rank..."
>"WHAT WAS YOUR MOS HUH?"
>confused, my son replies "I'm an army soldier!"
>"WHAT WAS YOUR MOS YOU STOLEN VALOR NEVER-SERVED PUNK!"
>starts screaming at my son
>"I BET YOU WERE KICKED OUT OF BOOTCAMP YOU FUCKING PUNK"
>"STAFF SERGEANT? YOU DON'T LOOK A DAY OVER 8. HOW THE FUCK IS SOME BABY-FACED SHIT SUPPOSED TO BE AN NCO YOU LYING COCKSUCKER?!"
>run up to confront the man
>"What the hell is wrong with you?"
>"YOU'RE DEFENDING THIS STOLEN VALOR PUNK? WHAT WAS YOUR MOS?"
>"I was a BMC in the Coast Guard, we don't have an MOS."
>"FUCKING PUDDLE PIRATE WISHES HE WERE A MARINE. DEVIL DOGS JARHEAD OORAH."
>man goes back inside, I call cops
>my son is crying, having his day ruined
>cops arrive, arrest my son
>"Sorry kid, the Supreme Court doesn't protect your fake uniform"
>get fined, son has to do community service
>fat fuck uploads video to YouTube
>3 Million Views, goes viral on Facebook
>get death threats in the mail
>land of the free
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>>28519552
>>28519456
>USN
>MEPS
>2014
guys this doesn't even count as bait, just stahp taking it serious. staaahp
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>>28519642
>Not having a sense of humor
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>>28519642
>The joke
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>You head
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>>28519628
I lol'd.
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>>28519655
>>28519651
No
Noooo../ I was trying to tell that guy who was telling the other guy off that guy isn't serious because he sounded legit mad but now i am ensnared in the process i was trying to help others avoid

ill sudoku my way out
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>>28519628
>puddle pirate

Eyyyyy
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>>28519628
This is how it should be.
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>>28519480
This. Getting all kinds of butthurt for telling this to the dudes in my platoon too.

Apperantly being patriotic and loving liberty/freedom are two different things. Who knew.
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>>28519037
Anon, most people who were themselves actually in the military, and weren't a truck driver or a water specialist constantly spouting off "I was like infantry but..." just do not care.
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>>28519165
I giggled.
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>>28519037
>Federal Courts have officially ruled that the 1st Amendment covers wearing military awards you haven't earned and lying about service
Who cares? Yeah it's a douche thing to do but I never understood the people who completely sperg out about "stolen valor".
>This apparently also extends to lying about your military service on the stand during witness testimony in a criminal case
THIS HOWEVER lying under oath is a crime and lying on a witness stand is perjury.
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thank you for your service
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>>28520874

I always reply with

>You're welcome.
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>>28519480
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>>28519540
>in public
>public
Private property such as shooting ranges are not "in the public".
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>>28520900

thank you for having to deal with jacking off in a 125 degree porta potty in iraq. we appreciate your sacrifices
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SHALL MAKE NO LAW. . . ABRIDGING THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

Christ that doesn't have the ring as SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Oh well. Both are unablible.
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We have lot of fakes in the martial arts community too. You won't believe that amount of people that walk around with fake belts, gi, and other awards. So many people have told me they were personally trained by Bruce Lee.
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>>28519085
>>28519162

This.
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>>28519037
That doesn't mean people on the street won't still kick your ass for it
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>itt: USA culture
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>>28519037
That's fucking lying though, I know I sound like a kid for that, but come on, is nothing sacred? Is there no such thing as honour anymore? If I had served and I caught out some faggot lying about it, I'd make sure he'd at least have to eat through a straw for six months.
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>>28519037
go ahead and wear that shit. It doesn't protect you from getting called out as a fraud and getting cock blocked at the bar
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>>28521774
just call them on their shit and wait for them to swing first. you're not assaulting his free speech when he assault you first
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>>28521774
Why the fuck do you care?
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>>28521908
It's my society faggot and I'm living here so i'm giving a fuck about it
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>>28521942
That's not a valid reason. Why do you care?
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>>28519165
>E530C
>Not W530
P L E B
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>>28519424
Being a veteran carries no authority. It is in no way comparable to impersonating an officer. Perhaps if they tried to gain entry to a base and pretend to be active an active duty officer or something.
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>>28521453
Kicking your ass is illegal, and a great way to get dishonorably discharged from the military!

>PFC Johnson, why were you arrested by sheriff's deputies last sunday
>Sir, because some faggot was stealing our collective valor!!!
>You're objectively an idiot Johnson. You could've easily publicly shamed him and been in the right. Now you too will have to lie about your military record to impress women and get discounts at one of America's many fine retailers. Oh, and remember first class seats being offered to you by generous civilians?
>Y-y-yes sir?
>You'll have to steal some valor to get those too!

I get the anger at these fools, especially if it's your uniform they're lying about, but actively seeking out these type of stories to get upset about makes you almost as bad as the fags who steal the uniform.

It's like a loser dressed like the cool kids, and one cool kid just rides the loser for it forever.

Part of being cool is not giving a fuck. And anyway, vets shouldn't get special treatment unless they have a physical or mental handicap.

Problem fucking solved.
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>>28519165
Thank you again Roger.
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>>28522034
>but actively seeking out these type of stories to get upset about makes you almost as bad as the fags who steal the uniform.

This. Who's sadder, the stupid fuck who has to get a bunch of rusty ass medals so he can get a free Starbucks, or the sad faggot who spends every waking minute trying to out them?

>And anyway, vets shouldn't get special treatment unless they have a physical or mental handicap.

And this as well. Part of the problem is that we excessively idolize our vets and treat them as saints for doing their damn job. You don't congratulate a bus driver or thank a cashier for their service with a free beer. If they didn't want to risk their lives fighting in wars they shouldn't have enlisted. End of.
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>>28522202

Nations that are great military powers tend to idolize and give special treatment to their military. Getting angry at that is pretty stupid. It's only natural to pride yourself on your strengths.
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>>28521026
wew is that the best you can come up with?

You cannot limit any aspect of the first amendment without fucking the whole thing up.
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Reminder that /k/ hates the US Military, hates veterans, and we have years of archive material of edgy kommandos bragging about all the servicemembers they're going to hunt down and kill in a SHTF scenario.

/k/ LOVES that this happened and so does most of the nation. This is the most anti-military period in US history since Vietnam.
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>>28522322
Good, we don't like soldiers who willingly went Iraq/A-stan and destabalized the entire middle east for oil/Israel.

It's Bush's fault for the creation of ISIS, and our fault as well. Our meddling is causing the world to go to shit.
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>>28522322
I'm former military, and I posted >>28519480

I'm just not a flaming fucking retard.
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>inb4 20 obese faggots pretend to be vets who approve of t- oops too late.
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>>28519037
so that means the Opinion/character of one of the chosen poor to serve has the same weight as any other man. What a travesty.
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>>28522401
>divisiveness demon pls go
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>>28522322
>divisiveness demon pls consider suicide
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>>28522517
>>28522525
Stop posting and lurk moar.
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>>28522536
I've been on this site since 2003 and /k/ since 04.

Again, kill yourself.
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>>28521107
You're welcome. I was basically infantry in a porta john jacking off to a Maxim.
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>>28522368
>Good, we don't like soldiers who willingly went Iraq/A-stan and destabalized the entire middle east for oil/Israel.

Lol umad. I'd go again. In fact I'm finishing up school and talking to a CIA recruiter so I can do it again as a civilian.
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>>28519037
Freedom isn't always pretty. Sorry, folks.
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>>28519085
All kinds of places offer discounts and deals to military. It's a clear intent at fraud.

I'm not even military and these pretender fucks make me mad.
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So how long before soldiers are banned from using certain restaurants or stores to avoid triggering immigrants? It's only a matter of time now.
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>>28519456
>what WE went through
>being a pog
>sitting around a fob
>jacking each other off while whining for more care packages
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>>28523864
>not noticing the arfcom satire

how asshurt of a poj "vet" with no interesting stories must you be anon? deployment doesn't mean shit when you fixed trucks and got psd from a mortar impact 200 yards away from the far side of the FOB as you slept. Stop putting out "don't use fireworks on the 4th of july M'cay they trigger me" signs and start drinking heavily like veterans of every other war on the planet.
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>>28523864

Yes yes we get it. You don't like soldiers and this viewpoint makes you sooo hardcore and cool.
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>>28523948
I'm sorry that I disparaged your awards. Its not like you guys dont do that yourselfs.
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>>28519628
Haaa
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>>28519065
No one runs up to a person in military uniform at the mall asking to do emergency surgery, at least no more readily than an every day civilian.
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>>28519628

>This is what fat MEPS rejects and edgy lolbertarians actually believe about the military
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Fuck this. Stolen valor faggots should be arrested and charged, no exceptions.
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>>28524204

/k/ overwhelmingly supports Stolen Valor because a lot of them use it to try and get laid, get discounts at McDonald's, and win arguments on 4chan.
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>>28523694

Can't be soon enough. I fucking hate when one of you cum-guzzling neandrathals walks in with your shitty camo while I'm trying to eat and start begging for free handouts. Fucking makes me sick.
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>>28523458

>fraud
>offering discounts to any person willing to spend $8 and half an hour at a pawn shop
>not asking or checking for any type of CAC or mil ID

It's the definition of a victimless crime. I literally can count on one hand the amount of times Ive gotten the discount using my ID.
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>/k/ will ask for eotech to honor 100% MSRP refunds for 8 year old optics with no problems

>/k/ gets mad at people getting a free dinner at applebees for wearing gaudy camo in public
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>>28524488
Why the fuck are you here then?
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>>28524568

Because this is an anti-military board you fuckwit.
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>>28524564
>>/k/ will ask for eotech to honor 100% MSRP refunds for 8 year old optics with no problems
To be fair as soon as I bought my first EOTech I noticed it had parallax and called them up about it. Also the XR308 reticle was different than listed on their website and over 5 years later, they still havent bothered to fix it. Thank god for Aimpoint fanbois causing so much butthurt that I could get rid of it.
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>>28524291
No, it's an anonymous imageboard where calling an asshurt POJ like you a faggot isn't met with 1000 "omg u don't support da troops u terurist!!!" red blooded soccermoms

a logical progression from "ur boots aren't bloused properly" to "STOLEN VALOR REEEEEEEEEEEE" requires quite a few steps.

But fuck "homeless" guys pretending to be veterans. If you want to exert mob justice roll past your local highway intersection with a guy in a woodland jacket holding a sign saying "plz help" and kick the shit out of him.
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>>28521774
>honour
shoo shoo slimey limey
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>>28524609
what part of "/k/ - Weapons" speaks at all to dis- or approval of the military
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>>28524664
>POJ
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>>28524824

All the anti-mil things the large majority of the userbase post on a daily basis. The board's original purpose means nothing now.
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Eh of some jackass is pretending to be a CIA Marine SEAL to get pussy or a 10% discount at Subway who the fuck cares. Most of these guys are sad as fuck and usually get humilated sooner or later. My issue is when they get money from charities or the VA for s
fake shit.
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i see no problem besides just being an asshole. the first amendment covers his right to be an asshole, and covers your right to constantly advocate for gunrights.
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>>28525127
>The board's original purpose

>GUNS

I don't follow, where is the /mil/ part?
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>>28525321
the part where we haven't thanked him for his service yet
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>>28519037

Good. The government might as well try to criminalize stupidity to punish the people who are dumb enough to give free shit to welfare queens.
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>>28519674
Relevant.
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>>28519628
>>"STAFF SERGEANT? YOU DON'T LOOK A DAY OVER 8
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>>28519037
>also extends to lying about your military service on the stand during witness testimony in a criminal case

What you linked doesn't prove that let alone even suggest that. Learn to read.
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>>28524824
trolled softly
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>>28519628
All you fuckers laugh at this shit but something like this happened to me.

>be around 12
>walking in a flea market with my dad and uncle
>wearing a shirt that says devil dogs on it and says something about the marines, i really cant remember, just thought it was a cool shirt
>walk past a bunch of biker lookin fucks
>one of them walks up, sayin "where you a marine?"
>four or five of these fucks in their late 40's early 50's gather around me
>this fucker was serious, really thought i was trying to act like a marine
>my dad has to intervene and say "no but his uncle was"
>they fuckers don't really say much but walk off.
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whatever most people in the military fucking suck ass anyway
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>>28519456
Fuck you, you government welfare queen.

If I sold donuts, I'd charge double for servicemen.

'thank you for your service'. asshole.
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>>28524204
Also freedom of speech and all, you know one of thoose things you supposivle joined to protect
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ITT
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>>28519628
My sides
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I thought it'd should be treated like impersonating an officer, but personally I don't give a shit either way.

I saw brave men get nothing, and shit eaters get Bronze Stars.

Fuck your medals, if you were worth shit, your guys already know it. No one else gives a shit anyways.

If you're wearing you're uniform to go shopping at walmart, with all your medals hanging off of it, legit or not, you're a tool.
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>>28519628
>has a "be mindful of PTSD" sign in the yard
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ITT: Brave SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED liberty loving citizens shit all over the defining amendment of the United States Constitution.


Guess what. You don't get to pick and choose. That's what makes it free speech.
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>>28526306

2/10 way too obvious. Saying you were 12 gave it away.
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>>28519115
This
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>>28520681
U.S. Army, 88M, convoy coon and I don't give a fuuuuuuuck about stolen valor.
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