Utah Militia rolls up to FBI and has a conversation giving the Feds a list of resolutions and demands
I feel bad for the FBI agent in the rear security who had to pause his video game and run outside real quick in his t-shirt and he did not have time to throw a warm comfy cozy FBI parka on.
This looks like another HUGE waste of tax dollars. Shouldnt these guys be looking for idk isis cells lol? I also heard they were doing a huge investigation on someone for putting bacon on a mosque's doors with a reward. But no reward with tips that could lead to the actual capture of terror cells here. Yeah ok.
I love how the FBI guy pretty much point blank tells him they're not there to make any decisions but just in case things go south. So basically, Hi, nice to meet you, I'm the one that will put a bullet in your head if I'm told to do so, have a nice day.
Its not like they dont trade illegal arms either, or have ties to terrorist groups. No no they are awesome theres no violence in drugs! People dont kill each other over drugs everyday or anything. And the cartels I bet are standup guys just like the terror sells processing opium. Right on man!
Its not like the DEA has not brought down HUGE arms dealers who sell weapons to organization that would use them to kill americans. no no no
Muh weed its a plant! If you carry the gene for schizophrenia one puff make you 50% more likely to become a loony. So harmless.
Don't have to be libertarian to know that our current policy isn't working, especially when you're literally arming the damn cartels in some cases. We've spent so damn much but drugs are cheaper than ever.
Also, if you make drugs legal you keep organized crime out. Regular people don't actually like dealing with criminal organizations if they don't have to. Thats why almost all of the bootlegging and associated gang violence dried up after prohibition was repealed.
Countrys where drugs are legal and their legality cause huge crimes.
>Brazil in early 2000s before it got to outta control
Btw if anyone can make the stuff you are straight up asking for the next plague. At a meth lab they found a new fucking type of bacteria due to the conditions.
>If you carry the gene for schizophrenia one puff make you 50% more likely to become a loony. So harmless.
I didn't say jack shit about weed. I fully refuted your attempt to argue that any drug related charge is violent, when possession is not.
>DEA has brought down HUGE arms dealers
Name them. I'm not for abusing drugs but the shit we've been doing so far hasn't been fucking working. Do you see the cartels growing any weaker? Has the flow of drugs been slowed at all? No it fucking hasn't. Until we get a decent chunk of our population to stop doing drugs (which we've utterly failed to do), then it will continue to be a problem. A problem that could be worked at better than how we are approaching it now.
Are you fucking submoronic? What the fuck makes you think drugs are legal in those countries? They have their own drug agencies trying to do the same shit we do, and often fucking failing. You have no fucking understanding of this at all.
People legally on crack, krokodil, heroin, ecstacy, acid, shrooms, bath salts, etc whenerver they want. This is a good idea to you...
I agree 100% but my methods are diff. I like most the drug laws except weed is full retard. So check this out. Eliminate jail or charges or any of that for a first time offender. Do this for all crimes that are non violent theft, burglary,etc. Instead make the perp take lashings, quartering, flogging, get tarred and beaten.
Watch crime DROP.
Almost all of the drug crime in those countries is related to illegally smuggling drugs into the US. This wouldn't be a thing if drugs were legal in the US. The largest portion of illegal drug trafficking is Marijuana, which grows wild in all 50 of the United States. You would get domestic production as well as producers, distributors, and users paying taxes.
International Arms Dealer Viktor Bout is one who comes to mind I know of another case where the guy was selling JDAMs to S. American terror groups who shoot at our choppers but here ya go http://www.dea.gov/pr/top-story/MajorArrests.shtml
Are you retarded? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_liberalization
They are all listed here...
ANd their agencies are in bed with the groups making it lmao. I know a LOT more then you. You didnt even know it was decriminalized there lol.
Its our fault dey do dose and its bad. What about estonia, russia, latvia, lithuania. Who all currently have HUGE heroin epidemics and krokodil issues as well large scale crime from them. Is that our fault too?
Can someone give me a TL;DR of this? Also the last time this shit happened in Oregon there were more female oathkeepers and the fed stood down in like 10 mins. If you want to make it so that this isn't some redneck issue show CNN that women can get behind this.
Another anon here. Those activites attract violent types because they are both illegal and highly profitable.
Being legal might cause the product to increase in APPARENT use, but only because alot of people won't hide their use of it (but most functional users I know would still hide it, just like functional alcoholics). I think people actually seeing someone OD, and knowing exactly what caused it would scare more people off than the government's policy of mixing truth and lies ala reefer madness. The war on drugs, just like prohibition, is a failure and even after is ends will have lasting impacts in that it created a strong criminal empire, just like prohibition did.
>family members in DEA
>many family members in LE
Not that any of my background really matters, I feel I've seen some first hand stuff that is very damning, and I've heard some first hand account that are pretty damning. BUT you just need to study history and current events to see what I'm talking about.
I'm ready for whatever nonsense excuse you want to sling, tripfaggot.
>We have the largest incarcerated population
>50-95k a year to house one person
>Jail itself is COMFY its like a motel with food a bed all that shit. good company too
>You get one felony your life is over
>You will end up back in prison in a cycle forever
Now see this
>lil johnny wants to sell dat dope or rob a home
>Sees his friend dave who got busted for stealing getting beat with socks full of oranges
>lil johnny suddenly has a change of heart.
>implying I give a shit about eastern yurop
We are talking about the US, our drug problem is not their drug problem. In any case if some sad fuck wants to shoot heroine into his eyeballs until he dies... let him, the government is not his mom.
I was thinking that troll implied he didn't actually believe the retarded shit he was typing while teenage edgelord implied that he did... so in this case they would be mutually exclusive.
Funny thing is the people they gave it to didn't really want it
They would also randomly test it on their own agents without telling them in advance to observe them, so for a while random trips were an occupational hazard of working at the CIA
Your postin on an ancient chinese pastel site. Looks like it caught up with you.
Heroin epidemic in oslo where centers where they inject you are established. People seeing people die and overdose everyday they keep on shooting up and dropping.
You can handle it as a crime issue or a health issue in either case it should remain illegal. The effects to health outweigh any profit that could be made. Chill out mall cop and stop acting tough you aint shit.
I don't even do drugs but jesus christ you're an idiot. Welcome to the filter list.
They wanted it so bad they didn't even know! The set and setting was not good for tripping was the problem! Had it been a good mindset and a good place to trip... now they would have had fun as fuck.
In every single one of those cases, the decriminalization of drugs only took place in the past 5 years, with the war on drugs having been waged far before that. Try harder, tripfaggot.
I'm really just talking about why you should never trust the CIA to stay within their jurisdiction or really ever forgo doing what they want to do because it's legally or morally wrong
Also I believe that they will work on US soil if a case they're working on has developments in the US but can't remember
>one felony and your life is over
Replacing prison with a beating doesn't change this, its the fact that the felony conviction follows you around long after you've completed the punishment (whatever it may be) barring you from all but the lowest rungs of employment and even housing.
>has a change of heart after witnessing a criminal getting beaten
Except anybody who has ever studied punishment as it relates to criminality can tell you that doesn't happen.
We have been at war with drugs for decades? Lol i dont get why you people hear "the war on drugs" and get all uppity like it recently became illegal. I dont get what you are getting at anyway. theres longer lists online for previous decades.
> felony conviction follows you around long after you've completed the punishment (whatever it may be) barring you from all but the lowest rungs of employment and even housing.
You literally proved my fucking point lmao. You make one mistake and you are done and the odds of you becoming a career criminal just skyrocketed.
That wasn't experimenting.
That was being a hilarious dick and abusing your power in ridiculous ways.
Too much funding, too much free time, too many stupid questions.
They knew what LSD was by the time they did those tests.
They were either being dumb, or actually testing something else.
And there definitely is something else out there.
Not until the Bush era did people throw a hissy it was started in the early 70s by nixon. I lol at you thinking ending the war on drugs will end illegal arms sales to terrorist groups. Strong retardation ITT.
The answer is C.) Have an actual conversation with the kid outlining what he did wrong, why it is wrong, and what the consequences will be.
Please kill yourself shittrip, before you become a shitparent and raise the next generation of stupid assholes.
"Dad im not doing my homework."
"One day it will help you and make you smart"
You are the problem with why kids are pieces of fucking shit. No discipline. Why they run around screaming yelling and doing whatever the fuck they want and the behavior stays that way because the only thing they have to fear is "a talking to". Look how kids act in schools now vs how they acted when they could be punished.
Fuck off libcuck go watch your gf get cucked.
I'm pretty sure it's illegal in all those countries. Illegal as fuck.
AND THEY ARE ALWAYS FINDING NEW BACTERIA. CHEMICALS MUTATE BACTERIA. For all we know, the ninja turtles are real.
And the reason meth labs are dangerous is because people don't know what they are doing, or its a result of meth being illegal in the first place!
Pretty much all legal prescription narcotics are Frankenstein versions of cocaine, opium, meth, etc! Doctors used to give children those drugs, dude! And it was fine. Now we give them shit that's more strange than that, and nobody bats an eye.
That's what illegal narcotics are! MEDICINE!!!
Why would god give us mind altering substances like hallucinations? MAYBE OUR MINDS ARE ALL FUCKED and we need to fix it! There are people that swear by using hallucinations for medicinal reasons, too!
I never said anything about arms sales to terrorist groups, what the fuck are you on about. Besides, everybody knows that any terrorist group worth a damn gets their hardware from either the CIA or the Saudi government.
It took a few decades for it to become apparent to people how ineffective our drug policies are and what the consequences of their failure are.
ISIS, despite what the media tells you, is only a threat to their region. They kinda work like anonymous (the hacker group) where they just claim random attacks as theirs despite having no real connection.
I already shared a link proving that its legal in all of those countrys. here ya go https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_liberalization
legal scripts of opiates have no place i agree with you fully. Thank your gov for that.
So crack cocaine is medicine...Krokodil which decapitates your skin...Are medicine.
Hallucinogenics. Yeah because nothing bad could come from taking datura and driving a car right. You sure proved me wrong.
Doesn't change the fact that what you are suggesting is retarded.
In what way?
You are one incredibly stupid shit.
This is far from a legitimate cause, & really is far from board related (i know, board culture, but still). It's a bunch of ranchers that want to use public land for their own profit. There are cases (many, really) of BLM doing fucked up shit, but this was originally about the Hammonds, who have since distanced themselves from this & turned themselves in. They got fucked on double jeopardy, so that is fucked up. Bundy's spawn are currently involved, & pretty much, fuck them.
>CIA funds terrorism meme
While I don't partake in that as much as some, it damn well did at certain points
>Contras (which includes delving into the drug trade)
>Shit with Noriega
>Funding various groups during the Cold War and today that use violent means to achieve their goals including acts that violate human rights
>Overthrew various governments
Need I go on?
I can't believe I replied to a tripfag today. You actually think children can't be reasoned with if they don't have retarded parents. Or single moms, same thing
And that kid was right in that conversation, have you seen homework these days?
And you're grammar is beyond shit, well done. My rebuttal is that your suggested policies are shortsighted and that a move to corporal punishment would be widely seen as unacceptable in the United States. We have taken a hardline stance against drugs for some time now and have attempted to end drug use through infomercials, D.A.R.E., programs, and school warnings. It has fucking failed. I do not see how corporal punishment would be much of a fucking improvement.
Alcohol does have issues it causes deaths both direct and indirect, countless overdoses, addiction, etc. However its a minute issue and not very affective the average person can take a few shots and be cool. You can effectively dose it. But when you begin talking heroin, coke, meth, bath salts. There is no idea on dosage and dependency is FAR FAR higher then alcohol. Idk if you have ever seen a junkie but they dont eat they love off the dope. now you want to make that dope regularly available and capable of sampling by all individuals. And if we make the shit legal might as well make production legal too. So everyone can have their own meth lab...YEAH!
I was one of these kids growing up
Sweet fucking Jesus
because you are a pussy bitch who has never manned up or been in a fight. Literally no other explanation.
They really did it though, project MK Ultra was real, they have the documents and everything
The only reason we even know anything about it is because some of the documents were mis-filed and not destroyed in the purge the CIA did to prevent Congress from seeing them
It's not a shitty 9/11 conspiracy theory when there's real undeniable proof, it's just an obscure piece of old information nobody talks about
Good guys can go rogue man. Happens in the military, police department, even in stock trading. Does not mean the CIA set up the whole fucking mission lol.
>3.6 in a STEM major.
>Guaranteed 6 figures post college
>multiple awards for volunteer services even one from the pres
>holds a job too
Bretty good 9/10
how to piss of or troll /k/
1.) make a trip
2.) understand the basics to a topic that libertarians and little kiddies jump on when they know nothing about
3.)keep on rollin baby
I don't give a shit about the drug argument. Let alone one that's mostly found in Russia for only the extremely desperate.
Shitty tripfags parroting Wikipedia is what annoys me. I'll give you two weeks before you make a complete ass of yourself until you can't post with your trip on without being fucked with. Seen enough retards like you come and go.
There's legal drugs you're not supposed to drive after taking.
I don't know enough about krok.
Opiates DO have a place in our misgivings cabinets.
And I'll bet you've NEVER taken hallucinations. People get killed at doctors offices too, you wanna ban those?
Do you care now?
You're right it is a waste of tax dollars. Instead of dealing with real threats they have to babysit these fucking mouth breathers in Oregon who think they know two shits about the constitution
>dated a girl who dropped acid before me
>sits in chair weird where her back musta crackes
>stairs at wall for 5 min then at me for 5
>does not respond to anything i say
>begins rolling on floor with tongue out
>throws applebees coasters i took at me while jumping like a frog
Thats all i needed to know.
>wont trust an MD
>considers himself knowledgeable and that hallucinogenics are the gateway god wants
Stop podcasting joe rogan
I'll just leave this here.
Don't respond to asshole shitposting trips. Hide all asshole shitposting trips posts. Ignore all asshole shitposting trip threads.
Anyone want to give cliff of the vid? I couldnt get past that shit quality
>ranchers in oregon do a controlled burn of their property to protect it from a natural fire
>controlled burn spreads to 1 acre of federal land
>BLM had a burn ban in place at the time
>ranchers prosecuted under terrorism law. 5yrs mandmin
>local judge gives them easier sentence because common sense
>ranchers serve sentence
>fedgov goes after them again,saying they must serve 5yrs
>ranchers go back to jail
>bundy militia and friends travel to oregon and start an armed occupation of a federal government building that was closed for the holidays
>Militia claims that the BLM is trying to fuck people off their land because if there is a lean on it, the feds get right of first refusal, and the fed has been losing a lot of mineral and natural gas royalties to corporations extracting resources from private land in recent yrs.
I guess posting a video is too difficult when you can just record it and barely hear anything
Depends on your point of view
If you're American:
True freedom fighters standing up for their constitutional rights and protecting the oath's they took against a sociopathic, tyrannical government
If you have a brain:
Militia tards thinking they're saving the world and making history by going out and talking to a couple FBI agent. Something to do with some faggy ranchers somewhere.
There's something so strange about these people as well as sovereign citizens. I can't figure it out. It's like they just want to pretend they're in some movie or maybe they like to pretend they're some romanticized hero figure of ye olde days. "Historic Militia moment!" "we're here to deliver our demands". Then they run home and project all these feelings they have onto the government "just look at that gubment slave, he probably just wanted to murder all those innocent people right now... god I want to kill him".
I'm so sick of idiots
You realize that krokodil is a cheap alternative to heroin, which is banned in Russia right? Your "critically acclaimed war on drugs" is the reason krokodil exists. People wouldn't have to take such drastic measures it their drugs were legal. Instead of banning something, how about we educate them about what they're doing. If you think the government should have the right to tell you to not do drugs, you're basically giving them the same power to take away our guns. The government should not be society's moral arbiter.
>At least the FBI goes after real criminals occasionally
If by real criminals you mean certified retards who are roped into "terrorism plots" entirely of the FBIs making so they can pad their terrorism reports and justify the millions of dollars spent fabricating the aforementioned patsies, then yes.
You want to know what causes a fuckton more deaths and problems than krokodil?
The drugs that are legal and easily available
Drunk driving doesn't hurt anybody. Drunk crashing does though. As a society that isn't full of mouth-breathers we can agree that banning drunk driving will most likely be a good thing for this society, even though it is punishing people for a victimless crime.
>create a huge black market
>suppress it violently
>surprised when it becomes dominated by violent criminals
There's no reason why those drugs can't to be sold by establishments as respectable as the rest of the pharmaceutical industry other than them being arbitrarily outlawed and violently prosecuted.
You're comparing car crashes to a junkie shooting up legal heroin in his house with some friends. It's apples and oranges.
Also, don't dodge my main point
>Instead of banning something, how about we educate them about what they're doing
I have absolutely no problem with letting an adult citizen go into a headshop and buy some legal heroin to shoot up as long as they do it in the confines of their own home, or at least away from the public if that drug does any harm. I believe in freedom.
I thought the FBI only hires real criminals.
Haven't you seen the movie "Catch Me if You Can"?
If you're a good enough criminal they give you a fucking job, apparently.
They should just legalize narcotics and stop forcing people to smuggle heroin in cans of pizza sauce.
>If you carry the gene for schizophrenia
Then you are likely to develop symptoms regardless. Studies have proven that those susceptible only have their first psychotic break sooner when using the strongest kinds of marijuana than those who don't. Schizophrenia develops regardless.
>only mention third world nations that have fought the most bloody drugs was and have only decriminalized in any degree very recently
>not mentioning the longstanding decriminalization in Europe
>Democracy is good! Freedom fixes everything!
>Vote in representatives
>Representatives ban drugs
>No! Democracy is bad! Fuck people, they should be forced to live in a society with drugs!
The problem comes when your idea of freedom is an obesity epidemic due to an abundance of food mixed with other factors like a more sedentary lifestyle, where people are simply too stupid to stop feeding their addiction they pick up when they're young and even dumber. Education does very little to stop these people.
It's the libertarian dream
God forbid these people were punished by the GUBMENTS just for being different :^)
>The effects to health outweigh any profit that could be made.
You could say that about just about anything. From alcohol to junk food to unrestricted private car ownership.
It's about freedom you twerp.
>It's like they just want to pretend they're in some movie or maybe they like to pretend they're some romanticized hero figure of ye olde days.
It's more likely that they just wanted to get off their ass and do something before it was too late even though they didn't have a plan instead of just sitting at home shitposting
>Then they run home and project all these feelings they have onto the government "just look at that gubment slave, he probably just wanted to murder all those innocent people right now... god I want to kill him".
like you're doing. Especially the part where you accuse them of projecting based on your own projections. It's like you have no self-awareness.
Yeah if you're actually a criminal they'll just turn you into an informant if they don't straight up hire you. But if you're just mentally handicapped then off to a kangaroo court it is, because you're a terrorist now.
>just go out and do something and be a part of a movement
This is my problem with these people, they don't have good reasons for really doing anything, they just want to fight da gubments
>you're projecting your own projections onto them
You're just projecting that I'm projecting about their projections due to your own projections. You have no self-awareness
>they don't have good reasons for really doing anything
They believe that what is being done is unconstitutional. They had a reason, they just didn't have a plan. Turns out they didn't really need one either.
>You're just projecting that I'm projecting about their projections due to your own projections
You can't possibly know what's actually going through their minds nor did you even attempt to argue that premise, let alone involving facts. You made specific claims about their motivations and it's obvious that they are based on nothing but your own feelings and fantasies. You have nothing.
>They kinda work like anonymous (the hacker group) where they just claim random attacks as theirs despite having no real connection.
That's not how that works.
At least not for IS, and by extension, "lone wolf" terrorism which is inspired by outside influences like IS.
And that has nothing to do with the punishment.
It has to do with how post incarceration felons are treated by the state.
>You may wanna take psych 101.
You might want to actually talk to someone who has more than a middle school education.
>They believe that what is being done is unconstitutional.
And black people think their children are being murdered by evil white racist police every day for no reason. Delusions are delusions. It's primarily an American thing to think being devout to some delusion is a good thing
These militias are breeding grounds for fucking retards, the types that sympathize or even identify as sovereign citizens. These people are fanatics. The constitution is their holy book. They stockpile weapons. They plan every day for war against the government due to absolutely paranoid delusions about some evil tyrannical conspiracy. They sit on bridges and aim rifles at government agents just trying to talk to these retards as they go on their little speeches about whatever shit. In these people's minds, all of this is justified because they believe they see the government doing the same thing. This mindset is delusional and dangerous
To these people, they can't see the difference between what happened at waco and the Oklahoma bombings because they're deluded. They're conspiracy nuts. They assert that the government is evil then make plans to counter this fabricated boogeyman. What else could justify taking over a bird watching station and claiming it as a mecca for other deluded retards to come along and join the cult?
>I know a LOT more then you.
Then you would know that decriminalizing small amounts for personal use have nothing to do with organized drug manufacture, processing, and trafficking.
Or that there are generations of fucked up politics contributing to violence in South and Central America beyond just the drug trade.
>like when they forced us and canadian citizens to take lsd as part of their mind control program
That had nothing to do with clandestine collections, which is the primary mission of CIA.
>And Alex Jones has joined the thread
Nah, the MK programs were real.
Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, participated in MK ULTRA trials while he was getting his undergrad from Harvard. Before he became a mathematics professor at Berkeley.
You are witnessing the slow win of the FBI. Strategy is to talk, talk, agree, talk, talk, be reasonable, talk, talk, answer question, talk talk engage.... they will slowly wear these guys down. You heard the first crack in the milita armor when the militia guy said that the FBI were ok, and he was worried about local cops. FBI scored a small victory right there..... FBI are a lot smarter than they look.
>To these people, they can't see the difference between what happened at waco and the Oklahoma bombings because they're deluded.
why dont you go ahead and explain what exactly WAS the difference, friend.
there is a hierarchy of fed agents, and FBI is actually closer to better side, though the list of who can be bigger assholes certainly isnt short.
Believe it or not actual ATF field agents are pretty decent people nowadays. The people i enjoy dealing with the most, are the Federal Marshals and ICE, and the people who I think are the biggest assclowns is DHS.
remember that fed agencies are under the control of the executive branch and that though they may not be ordered directly to be productive towards a certain political end, it is heavily implied that they should
the guy that sells you the kush he buys from the guy at the indian bodega isnt a "drug dealer".
real drug dealers are violent as fuck and unpredictable, and would turn to other forms of illicit income if drug dealing wasnt available to keep them fat, stupid and intermingling with their own culture
>Gun is nothing like a mind altering substance
Speak fer yorself, tripfag.
creating a black market thru prohibition is a thing, yes
however creating criminals thru prohibition isnt.
the criminal element exists outside of the scope and ramifications of a specific law or set of laws, and are more of a product of the culture and economy at whole
>however creating criminals thru prohibition isnt.
The average and otherwise law abiding Joe that wanted to continue drinking when alcohol was banned became a criminal. Banning shit also opens up more markets for career criminals to exploit. There will be no money in drugs for them if everyone buys it legally, there will be no monetary intensive to kidnap poor girls to exploit as prostitutes if all their customers could just purchase sex from legitimate and legal establishments etc. This doesn't mean that those criminal elements would go away, but it would seriously harm their money making efforts.
Hey asshole, the adult in this is the one at fault
"Dad im not doing my homework."
"One day it will help you and make you smart"
>allowing a fucking child to have more willpower than an adult and stopping here
Fucking lol you're a joke.
I like how half the posts ITT are the same secured tripfaggotcode user arguing with everyone who thinks they are wrong for every reason under the sun. If troll 8/10. You still made your own side in the debate look dumb as fuck but you got alot of responses.
>little johnny has a change of heart
little johnny still lives in the ghetto with no role models, no economic opprotunity, no education, and no guidance in a morally bankrupt culture with no hope
little johnny is going to be a criminal whether he wants to or not, there is no "reconsidering" something thay is not defined as deviant in your culture.
little johnny will instead blame the outside system for punishing his friend and over time, use every opprotunity or excuse to retaliate against it.
and on and on and on....
>The constitution is their holy book
Well no, that's too much hyperbole; but they DO highly revere it. Shouldn't all Americans highly revere the fucking constitution? I haven't seen any fanatics here either, they ain't attacking people; they have identified unjust actions by their government and are not letting it proceed.
>all that other dumb shit you wrote
Would you suggest bending over and just taking it, Is that what you do? These average people can stand up for themselves, anyone can stand up for themselves.
>The average and otherwise law abiding Joe that wanted to continue drinking when alcohol was banned became a criminal.
I'm discussing drug dealers, not drug users
>Banning shit also opens up more markets for career criminals to exploit.
opening markets for criminals to exploit does not in and of itself create more criminals, however the abuse of drugs and break down of a culture does.
>There will be no money in drugs for them if everyone buys it legally.
correct, but this will not increase or decrease the number of criminals, if anything this will result in more violent crime as criminals move to other forms of criminal enterprise.
>there will be no monetary incentive to kidnap poor girls to exploit as prostitutes if all their customers could just purchase sex from legitimate and legal establishments etc.
this is non-sequitur but Ill address it anyways.
human trafficking isnt like other crime in that its pretty much unacceptable in every major nation, but still hapens anyhow, even in countries with large legal sex trades, so if you want to use prostitution/human trafficking as an example of why something like drugs should be decriminalized, you are really really using a bad example
>This doesn't mean that those criminal elements would go away, but it would seriously harm their money making efforts.
...until they transitioned to something else, something that we're not prepared to handle as a freedom loving 1st world nation.
understand that im not a lib and not siding with the protestors,
that post was more an admonishment of society as a whole rather than a slight against either the liberal or conservative perspective
>I'm discussing drug dealers, not drug users
Drug users, or users of whatever is banned, become criminals when you make the products they want to consume illegal.
>...until they transitioned to something else
Like what? What could they offer if guns, drugs, alcohol and sex can be bought legally and safely? Protection rackets? We have privately owned guns and a not bogged down police force to handle that.
>These militias are breeding grounds for fucking retards
earth is a breeding ground for retards.
the day you realize that most people are to fucking lazy to spend 5 minutes on the most powerful tool every created in the hostory of man to validate a fact before they spew it out of their retarded maw is the scariest day of your life
for a faggot you sure spout a lot of shit
I'm discussing drug dealers, not drug users
>Drug users, or users of whatever is banned, become criminals when you make the products they want to consume illegal.
you're moving the goal posts, Im talking about intentional criminals, defined as people who exhibit criminal behavior based on either a concious decision to engage in serious and consistent criminal activity that actively harms, or can be reasonably assumed to eventually be required to cause harm to others.
...until they transitioned to something else
>Like what? What could they offer if guns, drugs, alcohol and sex can be bought legally and safely? Protection rackets? We have privately owned guns and a not bogged down police force to handle that.
kidnapping, theft, slavery, fraud, child sex, forgery, blackmail, terrorism, do i need to keep going?
>Im talking about intentional criminals, defined as people who exhibit criminal behavior based on either a concious decision to engage in serious and consistent criminal activity that actively harms, or can be reasonably assumed to eventually be required to cause harm to others.
You should have specified that at the start instead of just saying criminals. I'm in agreement that very few career criminals are born from prohibitionist laws. I think it is you that is moving goal posts in this case.
>kidnapping, theft, slavery, fraud, child sex, forgery, blackmail, terrorism, do i need to keep going?
Half of those would be directly limited by legalizing prostitution.
People were using all sorts of drugs since forever, and it only attracted criminals when made illegal. It is highly sought after, and illegality jacks the price up.
I'd rather drugs be regulated and at least ensured of purity ala what the FDA should do in all things (corruption aside). Sure there will be dopeheads being worthless (and that isn't a universal truth), but we have that now and pretty fucking unregulated.
If you want to tell me I can't pursue the morphine blues, yo're just as bad a people saying why do you need guns. Because fuck you it's my choice.
>...until they transitioned to something else, something that we're not prepared to handle as a freedom loving 1st world nation
OooOoh, big spoopy unknown, what's gonna be faget?
There are a fair bit of western countries with legalized gambling and prostitution and they still have those problems.
Problem is that they will never be seen as constructive industries, and they contribute almost nothing besides 'entertainment'.
You know, when food is scarce during war time, criminals like to horde food and either sell it at exorbant prices or just to ensure they survive. Anything that people want but can't get legally will create a criminal element.
>b-but anon, you NEED food, you don't need drugs
Well you gonna ask me why I NEED guns next too?
>I love how the FBI guy pretty much point blank tells him they're not there to make any decisions but just in case things go south. So basically, Hi, nice to meet you, I'm the one that will put a bullet in your head if I'm told to do so, have a nice day.
>Implying the militia members aren't better armed and a better shot.
>Half of those would be directly limited by legalizing prostitution.
your perception of what crime is and how it works is extremely myopic,
rhough I support limited legalized prostitution, dont fool yourself into thinkig thay legalizing prostitution would have very little effect on any crime rates, except prostitution. It wont.
>in the real world uranidiot
excellent retort, and so very well stated! Sir, I yield to your flawless logic and eloquent prose...
>Id rather drugs be regulated and at least ensured of purity ala what the FDA should do in all things (corruption aside). Sure there will be dopeheads being worthless (and that isn't a universal truth), but we have that now and pretty fucking unregulated.
I would also rather drugs be semi available and heavily regulated and taxed, Im not arguing against that, per se, Im merely pointing out to those people that erroneously believe that legalizing drugs will lower actual total crime rates isnt going to happen and that other, way more serious crime will skyrocket.
>If you want to tell me I can't pursue the morphine blues, yo're just as bad a people saying why do you need guns. Because fuck you it's my choice.
privately owned defensive and recreational arms and drugs arent even remotely comparable when it comes to how many people each affect, hurt, and traumatize each year. (government arms notwithstanding) In fact privately owned defensive and recreational firearms have a positive net influence on society. So privately owned arms serve a very valuable cultural and economic purpose.
Conversely, privately used narcotics (the ones designed/used for recreational and not medical use) can and do negatively impact only the user but innocent bystanders, family and loved ones, society, and the economy
Im pro limited legalization, but dont fucking pretend drug abuse ONLY affects the drug user. That's just pure ignorance, willful or otherwise.
Gf dad works as an FBI agent and is glad there is a DEA to take on drug cases becuase its a shit teir line of law enforcement. Drug cases are always fruitless and depressing.
Plus it's almost garunteed the DEA will fuck up the case and/or overwork and burn informants and get them killed. Plus most if the agents do not have college degrees.
The FBI doesn't give two shits about these milita groups. Most would rather raid them but I agree the best strategy is simply to isolate them and not give them the excuses to call foul and loss of life.
>Id much rather have Chavez kidnap, rape, and mail my daughters fingers to me until he receives ransom money than have Chavez and Tyrone gunning each other down in the street of a shitty part of town I never drive thru...
So only entertainment that you deem is useful to society should be allowed, and people who disagree are just wrong.
I would be much better off just growing my own damn weed then using subsidized pain medication that I can't afford and I know very few people that can afford at full cost. Additionally, I would spend less on entertainment and more on "productive things" if I had free reign on my drug choices. Shit, even methamphetamines have a place and are not crazy-stupid addictive like I was lead to believe. I tried them to see if I was lied to the same way like I was about weed. Didn't use again for a year. Got a small amount after that to take orally for productivity's sake for a week and haven't never used since (years) because I haven't needed it.
We have a problem with people who lack willpower of even infinitesimal amounts, and then bootlickers like you want to regulate around them instead of telling those chucklefucks to either wise up or OD/starve. If you can't earn an income for no good reason then the gov't shouldn't help you.
I have and never will be on unemployment, and I am super fucked up from injuries overseas. I am not receiving or pursuing benefits from the VA and just get pain meds, which I can barely use because it'd impact my ability to work. Weed actually is less hampering. So fuck yourself raw and bleed out please.
No I would agree these milita groups are breeding grounds for retards. I say this from dealing with these people IRL and confirming them from the accounts of law enforcement and FBI when they delt with these nutty people. Some of the stories are too cringe worthy to read.
I'm including milita groups like thr Bundys and also wacko "freemen" or "sovereign citizens". Thry are almost in the same spectrum
Wow, if drugs were legal then gangs will definitely move into kidnapping.
>fear mongering: the post
Not to mention that shit is way harder to accomplish successfully than selling pot and crack. Also this is why I own guns.
I hate you so much I think you have to be trolling.
>At a meth lab they found a new fucking type of bacteria due to the conditions
>I'm an idiot fear mongering boot licking piece of shit and probably thought Reefer Madness was a real thing
What in the wide wide fucking world of sports are you talking about?
What would you reccomend people do when the government tries to steamroll them unjustly ala Ruby Ridge?
Just what? Let them shoot your kids and wife? Hope that people that shoot kids and dogs without even asking for a surrender will treat you with respect?
These militias are on the defense and are not going out of their way to hurt anyone, if shit gets hot it WILL be because the feds decided to start shooting.
>people ITT wanting drugs to be legal
How'd that opium turn out for china and its enemies
Give dealers mandatory life and you won't see many of them anymore except the really dumb or really bad guys
China already has the death sentence for producers and dealers of drugs IIRC, and it has stopped nothing.
People should be allowed to make examples of themselves with their own choices.
Not surprisingly, there are plenty of people who do recreational drugs stronger than weed without fucking their lives up.
Well I'm not sure about steam rolling however a good tip would not be a part of a cult that abuses children and deals with $3,000 land disputes with fire arms.
Also threatning police officers when your armed doesn't really give credit to your cause.
>anything will create a criminal element.
I already defined what Im arguing a criminal is here in this post >>28506767
>people who exhibit criminal behavior based on either a concious decision to engage in serious and consistent criminal activity that actively harms, or can be reasonably assumed to eventually be required to cause harm to others.
people who profiteer arent criminals. Nor am I calling profiteers criminals
so is your argument that >hoarders
who stockpile and then sell that stockpile for extreme profit are, by the nature of their hoarding, stockpiling, and profiteering automatically labeled as >criminals?
are you a fucking communist?
because people that profiteer in emergencies might be assholes but they are certainly not criminals, unless you consider profit illegal
then you're a fucking filthy communist.
They sure as hell aren't suffering from a large percentage of their population addicted to opium anymore
because, you know, keeping it legal in china were what the opium wars were all about an it absolutely wrecked their society
No, people should not be allowed to slowly kill themselves at the expense of society for some retarded hedonism. I'd rather live in a country that punishes drugs with death than in one where they're legal
its a case of the govt wanting to eminent domain land, then change the status of it once everyone forgets about this, so they can give sweetheart deals to their own mining companies to extract the uranium deposits in the area.
>All the stupid people kill themselves quickly with coke and heroin instead of slowly over the course of decades via obesity and alcoholism; leading to our current organ shortage due to fatties and drunks taking them all.
>this is a problem
If freedom is what is necessary to seperate the wheat from the chaff then we need a hell of a lot more freedom.
>Heroine and coke addicts
>Killing themselves quickly
>cult that abuses children
WOW. You're an idiot.
If you meant WACO, then any evidence, or better yet, PROOF of most of what the feds said died in a fucking fire.
Just look up Ruby Ridge before you reply to me, I'll wait.
DAVID KORESH WAS A GOOD BOY WHO DINDU NOTHING
You have a point with Ruby Ridge, but the evidence of Koresh being a rapist and the leader a literal doomsday cult is readily available.
> we had to burn the village to save the village
but seriously, what was to stop these FBI hispeed lo-drag motherfuckers just walk in one night and take Koresh out?
I mean, seeing as they already didn't give a fuck about the safety of others inside the compound...
>so is your argument that >hoarders
>who stockpile and then sell that stockpile for extreme profit are, by the nature of their hoarding, stockpiling, and profiteering automatically labeled as >criminals?
Nope. And if you are drawing that conclusion from my post I question your ability to understand what anyone says, or to change your opinion based off of what anyone says.
I clearly said people stealing food when it is not plentiful, or right before the means to get more disappear. Like in war time. Criminals do this. Read.
The analogy was to point out that anything that people WANT but cannot get (including because laws) will attract violent, amoral criminal types.
Making sought after rec drugs illegal does not stop people from wanting them anymore than it stops people from wanting to eat. People have been inebriating since prehistoric times. Sure you don't NEED them, but you can make that pathetic argument for guns too.
People should be allowed to have what they want as long as it isn't directly hurting anyone else. You don't need drugs to become a leech on society, and those are just the low hanging fruit, there are more users you don't know about than do. You would not know I use drugs unless I told you, but you'll have to look into the reality of drug use in america with an open mind to really get what I am saying.
Back to the criminals, the laws against drugs and drug use only create an ARTIFICIAL drought/famine type situation ala food scarcity during war. And the worst type of people profit off this.
The simple answer is do not artificially create situations that profit criminals (and I hope you know I mean higher level people that Jerome on the corner).
Please go ahead and greentext one tiny part of anything I've written, out of context, and rant on that. I just hope you actually look into this more on your own than whatever narrow purview you have currently
It's not like that had anything to do with western powers, especially ENGLAND purposely wanting to destabilize china or anything. It's not like the means of production and distribution were artificially fucked up. Read a fucking book.
>So only entertainment that you deem is useful to society should be allowed, and people who disagree are just wrong.
so your argument is that Im not allowed to have an opinion?
>I would be much better off just growing my own damn weed then using subsidized pain medication that I can't afford and I know very few people that can afford at full cost. Additionally, I would spend less on entertainment and more on "productive things" if I had free reign on my drug choices.
this discussion isnt about you. if you want to blog go to tumblr
>even methamphetamines have a place and are not crazy-stupid addictive like I was lead to believe. I tried them to see if I was lied to the same way like I was about weed. Didn't use again for a year. Got a small amount after that to take orally for productivity's sake for a week and haven't never used since (years) because I haven't needed it.
first, every persons physiology and mental state is different, the overwhelming majority of people that use meth are going to suffer from some physical addiction problems, including substantial withdrawl, from a single use.
second, you're an idiot.
>We have a problem with people who lack willpower of even infinitesimal amounts
which is the strongest argument that exists for prohibition
>bootlickers like you want to regulate around them instead of telling those chucklefucks to either wise up or OD/starve. If you can't earn an income for no good reason then the gov't shouldn't help you. I have and never will be on unemployment, and I am super fucked up from injuries overseas. I am not receiving or pursuing benefits from the VA and just get pain meds, which I can barely use because it'd impact my ability to work. Weed actually is less hampering. So fuck yourself raw and bleed out please.
>recreational drug use
>to scared to recieve benefits (would probably have guns taken away)
>at the expense of society
How? Maybe society shouldn't give free shit to anyone who isn't earning it, druggie or otherwise. Maybe your argument sounds like an excuse for a government to have far overreaching powers.
Why aren't you acknowledging that most rec drug users are not failures in life?
They do. And not just from the actual drug affect, which coke can quick easily fuck your heart, but heroin users choke on their own vomit regularly.
If that's the risk they want, at least they ain't costing me money. Shit, make those opiod OD meds OTC and full price, then they'd have no gov't expense.
>but seriously, what was to stop these FBI hispeed lo-drag motherfuckers just walk in one night and take Koresh out?
They tried that, they attempted to raid the Koresh compound and got shot up, several agents were killed and that started the siege.
Koresh had every chance to let people and children go, and he let certain numbers go. The FBI/ATF were wrong to 'go' for it, but that doesn't mean the death cult preparing for the 'final battle' didn't burn themselves out in accordance with their prophets wishes.
The threat of eternal damnation is a great motivator, look at the FLDS.
Right. But because the feds didn't learn from prohibition, they think that forcing drugs into the black market will somehow make it any easier to control the criminal element. Just remember, alcohol prohibition led to the rise of the mafia, and drug prohibition has led to the rise of the mexican cartels.
But anon, where is your proof that this group really said that? Other than secondhand account and people that clearly could have ulterior reasons to confirm the government's story.
Disarmed mexicans in a shitty country with an overtly corrupt government that has as good a track record of killing protesters as it does of rescuing hostages is not a comparable example to the american populace.
I don't have shitload of money either, so this sounds like a rich person problem. Oh, what?
>it's not like I have proof of any kind though
The numbers of heroin addicts costing me money could drop significantly if bootlicking cunts like you didn't insist on government handouts. It's like in one hand you cause the problem, then in the other you "TRY" to solve it.
Then you use this as an excuse for you to exist.
Just fuck off already.
>If you carry the gene for schizophrenia one puff make you 50% more likely to become a loony. So harmless
>One puff will make you crazy half the time
>gene for shitzo
You don't really believe this do you?
>I clearly said people stealing food when it is not plentiful...
You know, when food is scarce during war time, criminals like to horde food and either sell it at exorbant prices or just to ensure they survive. Anything that people want but can't get legally will create a criminal element.
>b-but anon, you NEED food, you don't need drugs
Well you gonna ask me why I NEED guns next too?
>I clearly said people stealing food when it is not plentiful...
>I clearly said...stealing
No, actually you didnt.
actually the word "stealing" or any derivitive is nowhere in your post.
nor can anything you said be inferred or implied to mean stealing.
maybe all those drugs are starting to rot your brain
>penicillin cures multiple conditions
you sound like an anti-vaxxer
wewlad them hot semantics, I guess you got me on a technicality. I am still saying and meant stealing.
http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-historic-famines-caused-cannibalism.php check out siege of leningrad
Could you address what the analogy meant, instead of the specific semantics of the analogy?
Ok, so what if he meant stealing in the original post and did so in the following posts. You are side-stepping that what he was saying is that highly wanted goods, when not available through normal means, attract criminal enterprises.
>7,000 OD deaths between Heroine AND Cocaine in 2010.
>Somewhere between 600,000 and 1.5 million heroine users in the US in 2010.
Are you a crack baby or something anon? I seem to have hit a nerve.
Hey you know child sex trafficking is illegal. So if we legalize that we should be ok right??? You know come to think of it necrophilia isnt hurting anyone (the guys dead) we should legalize that too. Ya know we dont want a black market on these two things like you guys said.
Hey buddy, you seem like a good friend. You know where we could meet up talk about debate team tactics? Maybe I can show you my newest gun. That's be fun right?
Do you think it is possible that saying criminal and hording food during war implied stealing? You know, since if you took a history class in school you learn that that stuff happens.
This doesn't address what i said at all, I said the gov't should give handouts to druggies. And I don't really care if they are druggies if they keep their shit together.
No my kids will have CRAZY free will. No curfew, no grounding, but they will get a spanking and they will have a job and they will do good in school. The rest idc about.
But you just said the war on drugs was a failure. So that would mean the war on child sex trafficking would be a failure too, and all it would do is raise the profits for the people doing these operations and create more violence. might as well legalize it with your ideology.
Could it be the people involved in drug trafficking are also tied to: sex trafficking, terrorism, illegal arms trafficking, etc. Btw you may have heard of the hostel stories where ILLEGAL drug dealers abduct people and others pay them to torture the individuals. Its almost like drugs are linked to all of this or something.
>This doesn't address what I said at all
>They do. And not just from the actual drug affect, which coke can quick easily fuck your heart, but heroin users choke on their own vomit regularly.
>The numbers of heroine and cocaine addicts who actually OD on the drug are far, far far lower than the shambling fucking zombies that slowly waste away.
I seem to have proven that, I never said one thing about handouts, you're the one who went there.
> if bootlicking cunts like you didn't insist on government handouts.
Engineers and computer scientists cant cure cancer newfriend.
Well you see if i catch them with weed they will be BEATEN in highschool.
Yawn gf of 2 years and I have slept with over 100 women. Keep going dip shit. I lived the life yall support. Its not a good one.
Read what everyone above has said in regards to cresting a black market, violently prosecuting them and then being surprised that the most violent rise to the top. Weird how that works.
I prefer tommys shethposting over your posts because I think you actually believe what you're saying.
I am proud of how well you derailed this thread though.
The difference between the war on drug and child prostitution, and I am actually having to explain this to an alleged functional adult, is one affects the person making the decision to be involved and only them. The other affects someone not even capable of making these decision, ie children.
Now do drug users make bad parent, quite often, but so do people with all myriads of problems like women with social media addiction. The problem is with ba parents for instance is something larger than drug, and if you do speed while you have a baby, you probably were slated to be a good parent whether you had access to drug or not. I am saying that person would be negligent in their care in some other way. We have willpower, responsibility, and mental health problems in this country. And your argument is to punish everyone instead of the people causing the problems.
>equating drug use to child abuse
What the fuck.
Not what I said and you know it. But if we decriminalize drugs we will remove a very large source of income to these violent career criminals (the ones running the organized crime) and degrade the power that they currently have. Continue to remove their sources of power and prosecute the actual heinous crimes.
Kids will smoke weed, kids will drink, kids will fuck. I grew up acting like an urban youth. The reason I dont want drugs legal is from what I have seen when people use them and mix them. Many of you are EXTREMELY sheltered and its scary people like that can vote. Weed is degeneracy and it laxes you after you add liquor to the compound and the people doing it are usually goaless fuck. So after you get done with this high you seek a new one (its fucking true I have witnessed it first hand) where I live its xanax. Now they get hooked on bars and are zombies. The drug also tends to make people want to fight more here for whatever reason, and many get addicted so they end up robbing for money to buy it. Even if you legalized it the shit would still cost money. So how do you think a lazy degenerate is going to get that money?
So educate your children without using scare tactics like we have the last 30-50years.
Don't fund, but don't criminalize people's decisions to imbibe in a substance that only affects them.
Nationwide CCW with reciprocity and an armed populace
All of a sudden we have only the stupidest or laziest fags wasting away on chemicals, and if they try something funny they get blown away. It's a nice twist on Darwins theory.
To sum up this argument lol
>big crime rings go away (lol no they just go to another crime but ok)
>people can now go to the store spend some cash and get whatever they please for a price
>people get addicted (you can get addicted dumbass)
>Majority of people doing these are already degenerates so no job
>need to support habit
>Go out and commit crimes to get money for the shit.
>crime rate increases as well as people ODing so now hospital rates go up and higher taxes and more disease spreads. (America has A LOT of degenerates so now AIDs is everywhere)
If cocaine was legal (and cheap, because it is cheap short of how hard it is to get into the country and the allure of muh rich man's drug) no one would do crack m8.
Why do crack cooked out of 30% pure shit and talcum powder when you can buy Marlborough brand pure medical grade cocaine suspended in saline for the price of a few packs of cigarettes?
such utter horseshit. motherfucker went jogging everyday before the govt ran up like a pack of hindus ready to rape a busload of nuns. they could have picked him up easily. and those kids that claim that shit happened to them in there, magically started saying that well after being taken by the govt and brainwwashed by their foster families, for publicity and public appearances.
Alright Anon, I'll go back to the point that matters.
>it's not like I have proof of any kind though
Proof was posted that less than 1% of the Heroine using population dies from ODing a year.
>WAAAAAAAAAH THAT DOESNT ADRESS NOTHING
Either Anon 2 (or 1?!) decided to jump into a conversation they didn't understand or someone is very, very assravaged and can't read.
I can smug anime face all day.
do you support the criminalization of alcohol and tobacco?
Heroin clinics in oslo are established so its basically legal to get medically injected. They have the 2nd highest OD and death rate. They run on socialized healthcare so everyone pays for these mistakes. Seen what a medical bill looks like lately lol.
>I CLEARLY STATED
>WELL ITS OBVIOUSLY WHAT I MEANT
>"Do you think it is possible that saying criminal and hording food during war implied stealing? You know, since if you took a history class in school you learn that that stuff happens."
Right, I can read that (which I've a ready responded to with a goofy theory to appease you>>28507718), but we're talking about different things. The end users aren't the problem here, it's the people who are thriving in a prohibition, creating violent crime rings and continuing to spread their influence. I don't care about people wasting their lives away or using drugs recreationally until they make a decision to have effect on someone else. So make that decision illegal not the drug.
It's like making short barreled rifles illegal instead of making shooting someone illegal. Neither of which are particularly effective when it comes to stopping people who want to shoot someone.
ironically it costs less
>lrn 2 facts
Fuck No. These are casual shit. ESPECIALLY TOBACCO. alcohol (I quit drinking I got into some shit from it). Although it does cause crimes, addiction, deaths both directly and indirectly. Its american history and you cant be a stiff on everything. Most people can find a limit on how much to drink before they lose control. You cant do this with meth crack acid etc. Where not only is the dependancy WAY higher then alcohol or tobacco but the effects it has on the mind and behavior of the individual are equally as insane.
LET MOMS TAKE DRUGS TO END CRIME RINGS!
You heard it here first folks.
You know Oslo is in Norway who is number 2 in expense right...Thanks for proving me right.
By that logic we never should have legalized alcohol.
A lot of the rum gangs moved on to other rackets but legalization reduced the total pool of money in criminal endeavors and reduced the attractiveness of the criminal lifestyle. Selling illegal drugs is a great and fairly safe way to finance riskier things like robberies and kidnappings.
>>28506388 (You) #
>>28506418 (You) #
>Hey you know child sex trafficking is illegal. So if we legalize that we should be ok right??? You know come to think of it necrophilia isnt hurting anyone (the guys dead) we should legalize that too. Ya know we dont want a black market on these two things like you guys said.
dont lump me in with the "decriminalize everything" crowd you attention whoring faggot
But I can have my cake and eat it too, I am a libertarian and I live in one of the least populated states. If I wanted to do drugs I could drive through idaho and buy weed legally (not funding crime kingpins) and even if I drove it back (which is a crime of course) nobody would ever know. Large population centers and their ridiculous ideas on how the rest of the world is are a disease.
All hypothetical because being a government employee who enjoys his job, life and stability I would never risk my familys or my welfare to partake in elicit drugs. I'll stick to an occasional beer.
Drug use will eventually lead to crime. It changes behavior and alters decision making. Here enjoy these clips of shit you want to legalize.
Aww so you are just weed. This I can understand and agree with.
alcohol does not make you do the stuff in these vids. Its fucking booze you lose some control but you are still you. It heightens behaviors but does not completely change you.
I dont agree with you and cant form a descent argument. I guess I will make some retarded statement hoping everyone else is as ignorant and incapable of crucial thinking as me, hue hue hue.
Libertarian fantasy world
WE WILL ALL HAVE DESE GUNS RIGHT AND WE CAN ALL SMOKE CRACK AND METH AND MOMS CAN DO IT. AND ITS COOL AND THEN I CAN FUCK MY SISTER WHILE SMOKING METH WHILE SHOOTING MY AK OFF CUZ DA CONSTITUTION WOULD WANT IT! YEAH! AND THERES NO LONGER A BLACK MARKET NOW EITHER!
ill continue with the original argument when other dude admits he was mistaken rather than pretending that he didnt CLEARLY type what he typed, which would have been a simple act of saying "sorry, this is what I meant..."
This is /k/ these people account for the literal loony toons of society who collect canned beans for the zombie apocalypse. These are the people who support it. Good knowing it will still illegal.
Drugs may alter your state of mind and distort your reality. An educated person who wants to use drugs recreationally will find a safe place to do them and research their effects (as evidenced by the erowid vaults). So you're telling me that uneducated people made bad decisions while partaking in mind altering substances. I'm shocked.
So your solution is to get rid of the substance, not educate and create a better future; with a smarter population that is capable of making good decisions on its own, without big brother being it's babysitter. Awesome, looks like you must be a politician who has been in office for a long time, making no changes besides heloping your friends in the prison industry.
>LET MOMS TAKE DRUGS TO END CRIME RINGS!
>You heard it here first folks.
Yeah, pretty much.
>You know Oslo is in Norway who is number 2 in expense right...Thanks for proving me right.
Notice how it's significantly less than the US.
>Many of you are EXTREMELY sheltered and its scary people like that can vote
>"Many of you are EXTREMELY violent and it's scary people like that can own guns"
Your arguments are gun-grabber tier
and also, Ill say that I somewhat agree with both you and him, for reasons ive already stated.
however that particular argument is dumb to begin with, and also Im not for the fucking free-for-all unbanify everything approach either.
except for firearms.
there is a better middle ground when it comes to drugs, but each side has these ridiculous fucking arguments to support their sides claims with little or no proof.
the pro drug side are particularly insufferable cunts, which is probably why it takes so fucking long for any progress
Yes, let's pretend kidnapping and selling children for sex is the same as ingesting a psychoactive substance. It's not like there's a difference between hurting others and hurting yourself.
so why do you not hold weed to the same standard when its safer then both? if you want to ban harmful substances where do you draw the line on what you cherry pick is ok?
for not allowing someone to fuck up theentire flow of the discussion because they want to act like an asshole?
no, holding someone accountable for what they allow to exit their brain in written or spoken discussion isnt being childish
its somewhat petty, but retards get under my skin
>criminalizing functional "addicts" because drugs r bad mkay
>not wanting the true shitheals to OD as quick as possible on high quality safe arbitrarily controlled substances
Lick that boot m8
>Come to thread for info on what's up with the Oregon Militia.
>Get 300 posts of drug war bullshit.
I almost feel like someone was intentionally starting shit and trolling just to avoid the topic.
guess which of these have corporate backing
>but retards get under my skin
Well I suppose that is correct, you're spoopy retarded skelly and brain and under your skin.
>throws a fit over semantics
>can't grammar, spell, or punctuate
>the pro drug side are particularly insufferable cunts, which is probably why it takes so fucking long for any progress
Yes, that's why. It has nothing to do with the trillions of dollars poured into the prison industry, weapons industry, rivaling pharmaceutical industry, and the police, military, judicial branch and especially lawyers, not to mention all the political leverage and polarization and all the whitewashing of dirty money. The fact that there's a massive and intricate industry based entirely on prosecuting drug users and sellers with all the political investment to match is irrelevant.
No it's because the pro-drug side are insufferable cunts. That's why it's going so slow. Totally.
You're right, there wouldn't be a black market and therefor we wouldn't have organized crime. How are you such a hypocrit that you'll whine when people tell you you're acting like an idiot or do this same strawman deal you're doing now. But then turn around when I'm treating you like a human being, having a conversation without resorting to name calling, and do the same to me. I get that you're 90% likely to be a troll, but follow through with your character if you're going to keep posting. Resorting to /b/ tier faggotry just lessens the achievement of derailing this thread, which I've already congratulated you on.
In short, if you're going to talk about being a real man with ideals, stick to them. If not, stop pretending, we don't need more of you.
Take some time to respond to the other well thought out comments you've ignored or gave a blatantly idiotic answer to. Sidestepping, misdirection and moving goalposts don't make you look smarter unless you've got a weak minded audience.
>International Arms Dealer Viktor Bout is one who comes to mind I know of another case where the guy was selling JDAMs to S. American terror groups who shoot at our choppers but here ya go http://www.dea.gov/pr/top-story/MajorArrests.shtml
JDAMs are GPS guidance tailkits for aircraft-carried gravity/free-fall bombs. Even if you are calling the bomb+tailkit a JDAM, that doesn't magically give it a rocket that would enable ground troops to use it.
Holy shit. Wow. You are fucking autistic. Just stop.
No, /pol/ continues to visit /k/ and attempts to drag us into degeneracy. This is exactly what the mods are trying to cull with their shitty rule.
I won't shoot you come SHTF /pol/, but I don't want to hear about eugenics or whatever if we temporarily find ourselves within proximity.