What is stopping China from invading the west coast of the U.S. and Russia invading with them through Alaska. North korea and russia attacking the east corcingthe U.S to fight a two front war. What is stopping this?
The fact that it takes time to muster your forces and we'd have advance warning. Russia might be able to invade Alaska, but China would have to cross too much open territory to get to California. Satellites and military intelligence are a thing you know.
>What is stopping China from invading the west coast of the U.S. and Russia invading with them through Alaska.
>China takes over the U.S. with sheer numbers
They may have the biggest military in the world but as soon as they start attacking we go Red Dawn and then...
>U.S. now has biggest military in the world.
1) China doesn't hate the US, they fucking love US. We're their best customer.
2) Starting a land war in America is even more retarded than starting a land war in Russia
>yfw kebab would have absolutely fucking nothing on bubba and billy bo
>YEEHAW EAT TANNERITE YA CHINKY COMMIE FAGGOTS
>the resulting blast was audible in Washington DC
>it happened in Colorado
What everyone already said, plus logistics. Say an infantryman needs 10 kilos of supplies per day. That includes food, water, ammunition, replacement parts, average artillery expended in support, and fuel. You have a division of between 10,000 and 20,000 men. That's around 150 tons of cargo per day, per division.
Say, between them, they throw 100 divisions at the US. Never mind they don't have that number available on the TOE. That would mean they would need, to feed their million to two million troops, you'd need between 10 and 20 kilotons of supplies, per day. On top of that, you need to carry fuel for tanks and APCs, ordinance for heavy weapons, and engineering equipment. The only way you're getting that through is by sea.
Now, freighters can carry an ungodly amount of cargo. A single large container ship has a maximum cargo capacity of between 100 and 200 kilotons, assuming its packed to the brim and all its containers are filled with dense materials. A better assumption would be between 75 and 100 kilotons, which should mean two ships ought to be able to maintain operations for a week. But container ships are big and slow and easy targets and the US has a sub fleet with over 50 active attack subs. And contrary to any propaganda you might hear, they blow China and Russia's stealth tech out of the water. Literally. So they would need to split the cargo into multiple freighters, and add an escort. Then expect at least a few losses each trip. At the same time, the USN, which has more ships than the rest of the world combined, is launching punitive strikes against the Chinese and Russian ports and other shipping as well as hitting any convoys they can.
The whole thing adds up to the Chinks and Russkies running through their entire merchant marine in a month or two, then their entire army withering on the vine.
Nukes agreed... because America is the only country to actually use them in a war against other humans. We are too much of a wild card and would even risk nuking ourselves in order to destroy invading forces.
This so much. Every teenage boy has daydreamed of going full Red Dawn on some POS reds that are invading their hometown. Our citizen militia alone would be tens of millions strong if we called upon them.
money and a sub fleet that hasnt been neutered after the cold war
Invading Alaska would quickly devolve into the biggest shitshow in military history.
>Invade through a State featuring hostile terrain and wildlife and fiercely pro-gun/survivalist/Pro-Freedom citizens
>Who all know the terrain and its complexities
>Through said shit terrain with American aircraft shitting on you constantly and troops and citizens taking any chance to shoot some filthy Commies
And say you do reach the border, what then? You try and go through Canada? I hope so.
>More shit terrain, except we're perfectly capable of fighting in it, and train to do so regularly
>Enjoy either rolling through muskeg and bullshit or vicious Soviet-style winter on terrain that varies so wildly that it's nearly impossible to navigate
>Or take the one highway and become easy targets
>One small front, so we can concentrate our small forces
>Get shit on by even more locals, Rangers, and the odd pissy Native, many of whom are top-tier hunters and trackers
>Enjoy the anal rape, no lube, as we open the border to military traffic and watch as AMERICA rolls up, along with any other willing NATO member
>As you still struggle down, your economy implodes for daring to attack America and sweet ol' Canada
>The war unites us into the most powerful nation on earth with the greatest gun rights, as the Great Ameri-Canadian War Production Machine rumbles to life, churning out fleets of ships, vehicles and aircraft
>The counter-attack levels China, then they are rebuilt into a submissive Capitalist factory nation
>SK takes the opportunity to crush Best Korea
>Russia does nothing for fear of the gaze of the North American giant landing on them
>Mexico is annexed, the cartels are violently crushed. Peace allows the economy to rebound and prosperity to grow
>The Middle East is suppressed
>Feinstien and Trudeau are lashed to a Saturn V and fired into the sun
>The United North America ushers us all into a new golden age, with waifus, flying cars, space exploration and guns
How about because we are China's best customer?
How about because we still have the most advanced Navy in the world, with our biggest and baddest fleet stacked up in the Pacific?
How about because we have the most advanced air force that will dominate in air superiority?
How about because of the sheer amount of nukes and subs we have, ready to go at a moments notice?
How about because of the National Guard?
How about because we have the most advanced and largest satellite/drone system in the world?
How about because people still have guns, and you can bet your ass they'd use it against an opposing force?
There would be literally no point. This isn't the cold war. Russia, China and Russia aren't in some Warsaw Pact to destroy capitalist pig, and we don't want to fight China.
Get back to /v/
>What is stopping China from invading the west coast of the U.S. and Russia invading with them through Alaska. North korea and russia attacking the east corcingthe U.S to fight a two front war. What is stopping this?
The entire populace of the State of Idaho.
1. We're 98% white, so the slant eyed chinks will stand out liek a sore thumb.
2. We're one of the most heavily armed states in the country, much class 3.
3. The White Nationalists/militias out here are REALLY armed to the teeth, (or so I have read).
You know, it's pretty sad when I'm more worried about the chinks killing and eating my cats, than I am them raping my girlfriend.
I invite China to try and invade us, I would like to think I'd be able to break my Grandfathers record for gutting gooks with a knife.
Don't fuck with AK, we spend four months with no sunlight and nothing to do but drink and wish a nigga would.
>we spend four months with no sunlight and nothing to do but drink and wish a nigga would.
Is Alaska the USA version of Finland?
>We are too much of a wild card and would even risk nuking ourselves in order to destroy invading forces.
>mfw cascade falls
Can you imagine the shitstorm if commies invaded AK?
>.300 winmag moose/bear guns punching troops so hard it kills them through armor via BFT
>All those unregistered MGs used in ambushes
>Uncle Joe's old gold prospecting explosives dug out of storage for IEDs
>Ski troop hit and runs, oh god the glory!
>Dozens of nutbags trying to beat the white deaths high score
>Coast guard getting in on it
>Some Samoan in Anchorage with an M2HB gets the nickname "Snowplow of AK"
Why would anyone attack the country with the most powerful military on the planet, on home turf, that also has the most heavily armed civilian population out of any other country and is fiercely patriotic?
I'm glad we're bros.
Seriously America, you scary.
>Is Alaska the USA version of Finland?
no, Alaska is like western Canada except we individually wrap our McDonalds straw instead of leaving them out in the open in a cup.
China and Russia are part of the nuclear family too. I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter if your rifle has a fresh coat of CLP or if your pappy taught you how to live off the land.
The reason they don't invade is because it's easier just to purchase whatever they want. If they had the will to they could just crash the economy, force the majority of wherever into debt, then foreclosure. Then they just buy up as many resources or land or politicians as they need to do whatever they please. For example: If China wants coal then they'll just make sure that the mines keep producing, and that no one makes a law to shut the mines down. Why send 100,000 troops when 100,000 dollars works just as well?
If I had a magic lamp I'd with a chigger would three times.
So long as you imagined him in flip flops and those stupid man skirts they wear we're alright and you're welcome.
I feel like we're a little more hard core than redneck Canada.
No, Alaska is like Northern Canada, not Western. The Praries and BC can't handle a real winter and have a completely different attitude and mindset, while the Yukon, NWT and Alaska are all fairly similar in people and attitude, if not terrain.
>Ex-Yellowknifer here, did a bit of time with the Rangers
>Have done the Yukon Quest and River Quest, broke ground for the Quest once
>Stuck in Edmonton now, oh god I hate it here
I use the straws at costco.
>Come at me bro
>Guns estimated to be in private hands based on sales (So newer shit)
>Accounting for old guns, 80% builds, illegal imports, etc...
Ban THAT mother fuckers
>1.25 guns per US citizen
>Plus Mil. And their issued rifles
I was thinking more like Whitehorse, that's about 200 miles from me. Not sure if you call it North or West.
I'm biased, but in my mind, the YK, NWT (I refuse to call it NT), Alaska and Nunavut are the North, the last bush bastion, where real winters and real men reside. I fucking hate it down here, where less than two inches of light fluffy "snow" causes traffic snarls, and anything below -20C is OMG COLD. Bunch of pussies.
>Pls gib green card so I can have both snow and freedoms
Seriously though, I think the world would try to keep us from getting overly invested in the war effort by avoiding conflict with our forces because of our history with nukes and war (RIP those slang eyed bastards in japan). I think pretty much since the US has decided to be its own nation (i.e. Revolutionary war) that we time and time again have proven not only our own independent resourcefulness but also constantly showing up as wild cards... Especially once the french armada joined up near the end of the war to help us out.
And again with the war of 1812
Then /k's great uncle/ Tank General George Patton.
We own this shit.
Nothing is stopping them. All they need to do is for Russia to roll thrlough the alaskan plains with their tanks and the chinese to put all of their men and equipment on cargoships and then do a surprise attack in all US ports. They might have to sneak in during a storm but thats just little details.
China invading the US would be like walmart burning down local trailer parks. Or drug dealers killing junkies. You dont hurt your best customers.
Look at the labels in everything you own, Id bet half of it is made in China. If China invaded the US they would lose a fuck ton of money and the price of everything n the US would skyrocket because demand for goods would stay the same but supply would be cut in half.
>americans and canadians working together to crush commies under the steel capped boot of Western Democracy
I can only contain so many erections, please.
This is what I constantly tell Canadians I meet. America is not your enemy (I'm australian btw), America is your fucking greatest ally. You have literally the number one superpower in the entire world right next door, you are guaranteed safety because of that simple fact (let alone the terrain, weather and logistical nightmare of invading canada).
You guys should probably stop making so many amerifat jokes and embrace your lord and savior UNITED STATES OF AMERICA GOD BLESS.
It would make sense that every american on average would own a rifle and a handgun, statistically. Realistically, of course, that's a lie as a bunch of upper class americans don't own guns but hire private security, whereas a lot of low middle and middle class citizens own a fuckload of guns.
Statistical averages son.
>MOTHERFUCKER HOW I DRIVE THIS SHIT
>PRESS THE CHINESE BUTTON
>NIGGA THEY ALL CHINESE
>They may be stupid, but are you going to argue with a Samoan on that point?
I'll still tell him they're stupid, but I won't argue with the man that is porting around and hipfiring an M2, no.
riiight. because the average Alaskan is in peak physical shape and ready to repel and invasion. they totally aren't a bunch of weirdo 40 somethings who would cry at the sight of blood
>implying you need to be in peak physical shape to sit and wait for a bunch of gooks to walk past and light them up with your AR/AK
anon please go. None of us like the taste of leather quite like you do.
I don't even think there would be any left by the time they got down to Texas. Even so, they'd have a bunch of pissed off Texans and Chicanos to deal with.
"WELL EARL, THEM CHINESE BOYS ARE HEADED DOWN THIS WAY, DON'T THINK THERE'S MANY LEFT THOUGH."
"DAMN SHAME, TED. WELP, BEST GET TO LOADIN' THE REST OF THESE MAGS, BEST SO'S WERE READY"
That's an awesome .gif
>What is stopping China from invading the west coast of the U.S.
An ocean, our navy, our air force, and the assets of our allies. If China tried to get in our face we've got NATO on speed dial and Canada's next door.
>North korea and russia attacking the east
How? How are they going to get past Yurop and cross an ocean to come see us?
Shit like this is why I cant take this retarded "Man in the High catle" TV series seriously
HURRDURR DA NAZIS AND DA FLEET INVADED
AND THEM DEMS CALL IT THE UNITED AXIS OF AMERICA. CUZ THEY CALLEDS THEMSELVES DA AXIS
Georgia was beaten in 4 days and the Syrian intervention is being done with 40 Russian jets using 1980's GPS and dumb bombs.
Also, since October the SAA has gained nearly 9,000 sq miles of land.
I don't get what you're saying. Russia beats the fuck out of weak nations.
Lol funny Americans
China is defensive nation. China only defends land from invaders. For example Philippines only act because they are push by Americans who has agenda. Japan knows Senkansen islands are Chinese but tells themselves otherwise because of greed.
>Russo-Chinese alliance defeated
>Obummer 2.0 elected prex
>Mr ATF Man goes up to Alaska
>Finds man walking with full retard AK
Gonna have to take that
>Giant of a lumberjack laughs
No, illegal bad evil thing. Think of der chilluns
Why don't you come take it?
>Gets into BMP
>Swivels turret to knock off ATF man's hat
>Tracks spray agent with slush as Red White and Blue painted IFV drives into sunset
Allies aren't forever, but most of us don't see the US as an enemy. I don't know where you're getting that.
When the US does stupid shit and tries dragging us into it as well, we will stay out. That's not us "hating" on the US. We just know your shithole is prone to "spreading democracy" by force.
It's sorta has to do with where you are and what demographic as well
Most people I know around where I live don't own firearms. This ranges from lower, middle, and upper class.
Most people I see at the LGS' are middle aged, probably middle class though
New England, btw
This doesn't mean they won't fight off an invasion
This simply says they know the truth
I'm <30 and may not agree with the gov't, but would sign up the moment I heard our homeland is under attack
We all know this was a bait /v/ thread so stop responding to the OP.
I don't know one person who owns a gun in DC.
Most guns are owned by dealers, rednecks, gun lovers, former military, and the mentally ill/criminals.
You actually think American civilians are going to try fighting back against invaders?
Most civilians would run away screaming and crying while blocking the military/police and demanding their own selfish protection. When 9/11 happened, most Americans ran away and hid. Only the trained went into the fight, and a bunch of those died because of incompetence and politics.
You must be one of those people who think civilians with guns can protect themselves from the military.
DC has some strict gun laws, though. One of the top 10 in the US.
I live in RI. I know VERY few people that own guns.
>dealers, rednecks, gun lovers, former military, etc.
Pretty much the same here
Compared to people without guns, there's a minuscule amount of them. All the gun owners are in the rural parts of the state, and the majority of the population lives in the ~3 cities we have. Kinda unbalanced
a severe deficiency in naval force projection and/or magic portal technology.
a lack of basic cooperation, understanding of combined arms and actual motive among the proposed belligerents
other then that, airtight plan OP
Starting a land war in America is more autistic and failure prone than a land war in Russia. from the west you have the rocky mountains and deserts, and in all the states out west there is high gun ownership which means it would be like hyper-vietnam for the chinese. An invasion from the east is just retarded because NATO is in the way, and again high gun ownership.
No, I'm one of the people who would volunteer to BECOME a trained professional
I mean, that's what the military is. Civilians who become soldiers
You must be one of those people who think no one joins the military...?
It has to be -40 or so , PRE windchill, before I start saying it's cold.
>Tfw I learned to drive in a shitbox Lada Niva in -40 on a literal ice road
>People down here, with all their fancy new cars, can't handle a few centimetres of light, fluffy snow without spinning out and hitting the ditch/each other
I just don't get it.
Most of the US's agricultural base is inland.They might do some damage to the west coast but I doubt they're just going to walk through the US to the breadbasket in a month. Though really even getting a foothold on the coasts with the aforementioned navy would be hell. Taking the US is a monumentally stupid idea. If the superpowers ever do fight beyond proxy wars its just going to be a nuclear slugging match. Nobody wants to actually have to put boots on the ground.
Money and Nukes. Russia is somewhat independent financially(barely), but China's economy is almost defunct. That huge dive on Wall Street last week? China. Their failing economy is having massive repercussions across the planet. Attacking us would not only cause their economy to collapse because of nuclear hellfire, but would ruin them financially in the stock market.
china could just send people over (getting citizenship) and start them shitting out (citizen) babies to be educated in the PRC & return. Simple demographics/invasion by stealth. See Europe for deets.
Not huge. It produces a lot of niche crops or off season fruits and veggies. Land is just too expensive down there and despite how fertile it is usually requires extensive irrigation. The midwest produces primarily staples such as wheat, corn, beans, and potatoes. They're the food crops and for sheer caloric production, that's where you look.
Because it's more trouble than its worth. Just because you can easily repel an invasion doesn't mean you can launch one. The US would certainly win if on the defense, absent nuclear war. We'd probably get our asses kicked if we tried to invade China or Russia simply because we couldn't get enough supplies over there to fight with. Then you're talking about occupying one nation the size of the US and another twice as large with a net population about four and a half times larger than our. Fuck no. Not going to happen.
And that is how we remodeled the flatirons into the worlds largest stone griddle.
Why would China or Russia want to anyway? Besides all the myriad practical problems, neither of them has all that much to win even if they ould pull it off flawlessly. Trying to keep and administers such conquests would cost them more than they'd gain.
Not in terms of mouths to feed. If we lost Imperial Valley, we'd probably have also lost the Bay Area, so net would probably be more food per capita. And even if they just did an herbicide run on the place, the Great Plains could easily handle feeding all the people. They just have to be happy with staple crops and fewer grapes, citrus fruits, and leafy greens.
dont underestimate man
i sit center with a more democrat lean, but i aint even gonna pretend that running around with other citizens removing "settlers" wouldnt be awesome as fuck
Fuck anyone that tries to take out fucked up land from us, this is our bullshit not yours, go make your own somewhere else.
It would be easier to shatter the US Navy in some bullshit conflict, and then fund/advise/equip guerrillas to splinter the US. Then keep the various splinter states in conflict with each other and wa la, the US is not going to interfere with your shit ever again.
In a kinda-sorta way, this.
America has a HUGE gun culture that completely overwhelms the combined civilian gun market of Russia, China, Iraq, and the UK (kek).
You think fighting the Vietcong was difficult? Try doing it in a country where the most mundane of citizens has the absolute right to arm himself with lethal, near military-grade weaponry.
Try invading a country whose most innocent civilians can, and will, defend their homes violently, and with exhausting firepower.
That's 300 million barrels pointed up, down, left, right, fighting on their turf, on their terms, and highly encouraged by their domestic military branch.
A land war in the Americas is a land war in Asia; don't do it.
Dude, I'm gonna get fired if chuckle fuck "I married a black woman so I get to be offended by white people" keeps talking to me.
Also, I have no harness for said gopro ripoff, and I need to start fucking college. ..
I may not exactly fiercely patriotic, but I'll be damned if some foreigner is trying to take my home from me. This country sucks, but everywhere else sucks more. I'd rather die than let some ruskie/gook/durka take my home from me.
As for a war on foreign soil? Yea, fuck that. I'll stay here.