I'm looking at getting something for range. By that I mean from 300m-600m. I was looking at pic related(super vepr .308) as a viable option but after reading reviews it's got me on the fence leaning away from it.
>I'm not looking for an AR 10 or AR clone.
>I'd like to get something in .308.
>Can /k/ give me any suggestion between $1k and 2k?
>Would the super vepr work for what I want?
> Will replacing the trigger and feeding it proper .308 give me consistency between 1" and 2" MOA.
>Too many horror stories
>I have an AR already don't need another one
From what I've read
>inconsistent groups like 2-3"
>alot of them need to be bedded
Please kindly eat shit
If I'm going off the ak platform I'm going with the super vepr. Nothing against saga the supreme vepr just has this look that makes me cream
I'm afraid your probably right. I would really like to be talked of the fence one side or the other. Still if the SV isn't quite what it's cracked up to be i'd like another option to look into that isn't the AR-10 or an M1a that's going to be $2k+
Even with modifications to accurize the Vepr, you won't be getting 1-2" groups at that range.
Looks nice, it yours?
>What's your experience with it?
>pro's > or = to the con's?
I like that look's nice.
It's a bolt action so as long as the rifle itself is accurate it would just come down to the sight and the ammo for the ranges I intend on putting it up to.
The AR wasn't desighned for .308 so makeing it functional for the range i want to use it for already puts it over my budget. I don't want an AR in .308. I have an AR, I love my AR but I don't want another.
Ironic shit posting is still shit posting
Yeah I'd be Hella into handloads Nguyen and if not i'd be commissioning handloads from an experienced loader. I really intend to take caresponsibility of this rifle
Buy a K31 and stick a diopter on it. Shoot out to 1000m.
I've had it about 4 years now. Need to replace the trigger on it still since the factory one is kinda spongy. I bought it back when they were first importing them and they used some weird metric sized screw for the sling stud so I had to drill out a bit of the stock to fit an M1A adapter I got from Harris Bipods in order to mount the bipod. Also, while the dust cover mount for the scope looks slick, it's a pain in the ass to remove if I need to clean the rifle since the release lever hits the scope.
It's a pretty solid rifle though and I wish I had more time to go shooting with it, but good rifle ranges in Florida are few and far between.
Yes it was, the design was then adapted to 5.56 because it's what the military wanted. The original AR-10 was in .308.
>In 1957, the basic AR-10 design was rescaled and substantially modified by ArmaLite to accommodate the .223 Remington cartridge, and given the designation AR-15. ArmaLite licensed the AR-10 and AR-15 designs to Colt Firearms. The AR-15 eventually became the M16 rifle.
- Ezell, Edward Clinton (1983). Small Arms of the World. New York: Stackpole Books. pp. 46–47. ISBN 978-0-88029-601-4.
- Danford Allan Kern The influence of organizational culture on the acquisition of the m16 rifle. m-14parts.com. A thesis presented to the Faculty of the US Army Command and General Staff College in partial fulfillment of the requirements for the degree MASTER OF MILITARY ART AND SCIENCE, Military History. Fort Leavenworth, Kansas 2006 http://www.m-14parts.com/M14toM16.pdf
Okay that's great if you want to make this an ar-10 thread go to ARG. I get it I was wrong I forgot it was .308 originally. Cool.
I've read about those screws, have they updated them since? I've read the top scope mount is a pain in the ass but far better at maintaining it's zero then the side mount can you confirm.
I pretty sure they moved to the standard sling stud size a few years ago on the newer imports. As for the top mount keeping zero better than the side mounts I have no idea. Haven't used a side mount at all.
Nice glad to hear that, and fair enough.
Last two questions I promise.
>how is the "integrated muzzle brake"
>do you think this is a good rifle for hunting and 300m-600m shots.
Fuck me they are pretty
Your current ar should be capable of shooting in the 300-600 yard range. The point target effective range of ar15s with 77 grain OTMs is 800 meters, and even an m4 carbine with m855shit is expected to be able to hit a man at 500 meters
Also, your original post is a little confused. I dont think there a gun that exist that can shoot 1/6 MOA. 1/3 sure, not 1/6. For semiautos, the best you can do without dumping lots of money into it is sub moa, or between 1 inch @100 yards and 1/2 inch @100 yards.
Your ammo plays a lot into your group sizes. A semiautomatic under 2k that can make 1 inch groups @ 100 yards with good ammo sounds great to me. OP, if you really don't want an ar10, I think a vepr or some kind of accurized ptr91 (if that even exists) is your best bet.
Ar10s precde ar15s. KAC sr25 (accurized ar10s) is the choice of semiautomatic precision rifle in the US army. Those are like 5k I believe, so probably not what you're looking for.
Fuck the keltec rifle, it won't get the groups OP wants.
Never really paid any attention to muzzle brake unless I was cleaning it, but it functions well enough I suppose.
I haven't personally used mine for hunting yet, but plenty of people have without issue. It's accurate enough to take down a deer at 100 yards cleanly. For distance shooting at 300-600m, it's doable, but I wouldn't expect anything great out of it.
I bought my .308 flat back for $600 new. I thought i would shoot the hell out of it but it just sits in my gun safe. I couldn't tell you what kind of groups it's capable of but it is well made. .308 is just to expensive to shoot so i stick to shooting ar15's.
>Your current ar should be capable of shooting in the 300-600 yard range
Plinking a target and having a reliable terminal effect are two different things. Intermediate cartridges shouldn't be relied on beyond 300 yards no matter what 5.56 NATO sycophants boo hoo about theoretical killing potential.
It's hard to say what OP wants because OP doesn't even know what he wants. He saw a gun he liked the looks of, and is limiting his options based on it. .308 Win is an affordable "do most things" cartridge, but there are better options depending on what OP really wants to do with his gun.
I keep the AR catered towards the cqb to 300m engagement range tailoring it towards that role. I could push it further but I'd prefer to dedicate a rifle to that knowing it will be far more consistent.
Would you say the super vepr fits the role of a sub $2k DMR as that's really ultimately the role I'm trying to fill with it. That and a useful hunting rifle.
>Takes AR mags
>comes with iron sights and a picatinny rail
How about this I want a semi automatic rifle that fills the role of DMR and hunting rifle that is sub 2k that can make a consistent 1-2 MOA group that is chambered in .308. I like the super vepr it seems to fit, I don't own one so I'm open to other rifles.
What would you recommend that fits that?
He puts the inch symbols too, so it seemed like he didn't know if he wanted MOA or groups that tight at 600 yards
You're so fucking wrong it makes me angry. At 500 meters, m855 still has the energy of a 9mm at the muzzle. That will kill a man, and better more modern loads will perform even better
And that's fine. My current ar is an inside 300 meter gun.
Yes, I think it would. But I know ar15s and ar10s. And I don't know the numbers or have hands on with a vepr. Ive shot a psl before. I would really like one, and at $1500 its not too expensive.
All I know is, for a semiautomatic, 1-2 MOA is great, and at max of 600, maybe 800 meters, a gun that can shoot that tight will do everything you want.
>scar 17 might be a tad outside your budget
MVPs are garbage guns. The action is alright but literally everything else is crap
Scout concept rifles are dated and stupid.
> "AR upto "700" Yards on Hot Load 77gr 5.56" Agreed as I can do it now with my kustomized 18' 1/8 tw with relative ease Hits at around 1400 FPS(Still supersonic) and with about 1/4 of the energy out of the barrel.
Might want to look at a Ruger Precision rifle in 308 if you can find one. I am looking to make 1200 Yard Gun out of RPR in 6.5 Creed with VLD 140's.
On the difference between Vepr and PSL, a Vepr is built heavier (barrel, trunnion, received), and as such can shoot a wider range of ammo such as heavy ball, whereas shooting heavy ball through a PSL has a chance to damage the reciever, but 7.62x54r variants are limited to single stack mags whereas the PSL uses doublestack.
I believe that the Vepr is going to be a heavier gun than the PSL.
As far as action and accuracy, the two guns are comparable, with the Vepr performing slightly better with the same barrel length in 54r due to the thicker barrel on the Vepr.
Lastly is price, Veprs, aside from "upgraded" versions sold by Atlantic and the like can be had for under a grand, whereas PSLs are usually 1500, I'd honestly go with the Vepr, and drop the 600+ you're saving on an optic.
Uh no? .308 out of a 16" barrel would be fine. The British Army's DMR only has a 16 inch barrel and the New Zealand version has an 18" barrel.
Except no. Military mk12s have been shot that well. Pathsofglory shoots his rifle out that far. Even nutnfancy does that. It's not like some magical impossible feat made up for internet bragging rights
Just picked up a Tikka T3 CTR in .308 this week. It is one sexy maiden. Taking her out to sight-in tomorrow if the flooding here in San Diego stops, and then out to the desert this weekend.
If you shop around, you can find really good deals.
Rifle, brand new: $850
Vortex PST 4-16 FFP: $750 used in great condition
Paid no tax on either, just $30 FFL fee
Yes you can hit targets consistently at those ranges but the effective impact will have lost some accuracy with 1) Transition to Subsonic 2) Very little Energy left (roughly 1/7-1/8th its initial energy) 3) dropping like a rock (--216 inchs @ 890 yards) 4) any Burst (2+ MPH=20 inches)) of wind will throw it into the next county....
Mdr orders start at shot show. Match grade trigger, Moa or better accuracy. Avail in 6.5 creed more eventually, 308 will be right around 2k street price.
Group buy happening at bullpupforum, they did 1700$/tavor in their last group buy and that's still cheaper than you can get the tavor
I just want a bullpup 308 vepr. Tax money is coming in soon and I want to blow it on something unique yet usable.
How the hell do you get/make them? Also I can't even find any veprs to begin with...
.308 out of a 12 inch SBR is still supersonic at 800.
Longer barrels are nice because they shoot softer and quieter, as far as accuracy goes, just make sure you've got enough tube to keep your bullet supersonic at the ranges you intend on shooting, and you'll be fine.
Get a mosin(has to be a hex reciever), commit mortal sin with polycarb stock and full tacticool accessory set including: Bent bolt and scope mount, bipod, muzzle break, obscenely large scope with variable zoom, and ay presto, 3'' groups at 500+ yards. They're actually really accurate and really consistent if cared for properly.
The British military teach that its effective up to 500m when firing as a section. 400m shoots were part of the marksman test until this year. Saying its effective past 300m is hardly sycophantic when its true.