I never shot a .380, it's like a short 9mm, right?
And yes, any round that will reliably penetrate 12" of properly calibrated ballistic gelatin is suitable for self-defense.
This guy tested a bunch of different .380 ammo, and Precision One reliably penetrated to 13" inches and expanded properly.
9x18 Makarov and .380 are the lowest I'd ever go.
People who carry .22 handgun astound me. Yeah I wouldn't want to get shot by .22 but for fucks sake step up to an actual caliber that justifies having a full-sized gun built for it
I carry a makarov in 9x18, bretty gud id say. I trust my life to it and its comfy and ergonomic so why not.
Wasn't there a murder suicide?
Anybody have the pic or link?
Some dude shot his wife in the head (she was in bed). Then killed him self. She woke up, bleeding but 100% fine. Police were like "are you ok"?
It was some pussy ass .380 fmj.
Based on videos I've seen of various .380 loads, I definitely wouldn't want to have that for my last defence. I'd be happy with 9mm in a handgun the same size despite the increase in recoil.
If you really just want to magdump into a mother fucker and get out then a .22 is okay CCW. Noise is another factor, some people are legitimately frightened by loud guns and know they would either fire poorly and hesitate when confronted with firing in self defense. Not saying those aren't things that could be corrected with training but I would rather someone who is that bad at guns be throwing out .22 slugs than full bore .44 magnum.
I personally carry a .38 LCR because its a handy little gun and one of the only snub nosed revolvers I've handled that is really enjoyable to shoot. My old scandium framed S&W wasn't kicking like a mule or hard to keep on target, the gun itself would just wear on my hand after 50 or so rounds.
I would say .380 and .38 special (from a snub nose) are about on par with one another as the bottom row of acceptable carry calibers.
Been used by tiny european manlets to shoot other tiny euroPEONs. Americans come sturdier than that, .380 is the bottom of the barrel here.
I don't bother carrying, so any caliber would be better than average.
Though with the ease of carry of the guns currently on the market, it looks like I wouldn't go for anything under 32 since the lightest semi 22s and 25s seem to actually be heavier or snaggier.
. 380 HST meets most of the FBI tests.
Is fine for light self defense, but single stack 9mm are so small now, that it's hard to justify using. 380 unless you need an absolute tiny gun like the lcp
>walking home from work, carrying my trusty RT-20 behind my back
>wild dindu appears, begins to chimp out with cobra 380
>whip around my RT-20 and fire
>my right shoulder dislocates
>my back shatters
>thrown 10 feet backwards
>dindu behind him is cut in half
>round goes through engine block of car parked behind said dindu's
>round goes though 2 more parked cars
>every car alarm within a 5 block radius goes off
>lay on the ground paralyzed from the neck down
>I did the right thing.
I wouldn't carry below 9mm.
Reason being, the only benefit I see of .380 is the tiny gun. With tiny gun comes tiny capacity. Once you're limiting yourself to 6-7 rounds, you might as well carry a 5-6 round snub revolver. Just as easy to conceal, similar capacity, more power.
Auto cartridges belong in larger frame handguns, where the small caliber benefits you with a greater capacity. And in those larger frames, again there is no place for .380 when 9mm is the same size.
But, that's how I see it, carry what works best for you.
I find this difficult to believe. I've shot plenty of things with .380, hard drives, frying pans, cinder blocks, frozen pumpkins, and from what I've seen even a .380 do to those, a skull wouldn't be an issue.
If the only other alternative is to be unarmed then yes, .380 is acceptable.
First rule of a gun fight: have a gun.
A .380 two shot pocket pistol in a holster you have on you 24/7 is infinitely more useful than a 9mm/.40/.357/10mm/.45 full size duty pistol you have on you "sometimes."
Skull wouldn't stop it. If he did hit her in the head, it would have to be either a bad shot through the lower front part of the head or one of those freak occurrences where the penetrating object somehow misses all the parts of the brain vital to immediate survival. And just because she survived it doesn't mean she's living at the same quality before she was shot. Without more info, anon's anecdote is shit.
I center a single shot break action 20 mm snub on the center of my chest with a series ofor straps resembling a six point seat belt. I keep a round in the chamber, with the action broken. When I need to defend myself, I use a wire in my left sleeve to pull the barrel up, and a wire in my right sleeve to work the trigger. To onlookers it appears as though I briefly work an invisible marionette, then my chest gets a boner and the person in front of me explodes.
would and have. Sometimes you just need a pocket gun and anything is better than your hands. You can argue ballistics all day but If I put 3-4 rounds of anything in your direction odds are you will fuck off and more then likely will not have body armor, a rifle, 5 other friends willing to die for my pocket change. Sorry mall ninjas, but tis true. If youre really that paranoid about X number of situations then OC a rifle and be done with it
Something to consider in the factors of what a CCW can do for you.
Most .32ACP guns have the same terminal power as .380s. Besides the Tomcat 3032 for example is smaller, lighter, quicker to aim with shorter barrel for those 1-10 yard triple taps.
If I know there is going to be trouble and expecting it, grab your .45 ACP or hand cannon or raifu.
A deadlier, heavier round has compromises with the amount of ammo you can carry in the magazine, and sheer bulk of CCW counter issues.
Yeah, lets see you whip out that 9mm beast of a gun with rails on it and twist your wrist to aim .1 seconds slower. Not all of us lift weights for a living, and may have carpal tunnel.
I sold my .380 Bersa Thunder CC for $150 due to the fact that the barrel was too fucking long for my taste, twice as heavy to sling around to shoot quickly at targets in 360 (alone at the range ).
Besides looking kewl as the James Bond Walther PPK clone made in Argentina, the tear down the firing pin was a bitch to put back together.
I plated the sucker with nickel and nobody would bid on it on gun broker, so I dumped it at the pawn shop in desperate times.
Unless I can shoot 4-10 .22LR at a time like some hornets nest, I wouldn't depend on the CCW aspects of it.
The Tomcat 3032 is as loud at 9mm normal barrel length guns for the scare factor.
Still pissed at the cracked frame issue on mine. Beretta wouldn't replace it, welded and polished to fix it.
you guys sound like idiots
sorry, im not from /k/
this is the first /k/ thread im reading and the first two posts give off this huge weapons fag vibe.
its hard to explain, but guns are really worthless and its like this type of information is for idiots.
you are trying to sound knowledgeable about some worthless shit, like toys for grown idiots
smallest would be a .32 ACP, followed by .380, .38, 9x18 in no particular order.
that's my smaller caliber category I feel safe with before we get into 9mm, .40s and so on
i think i've said this a few dozen times, but here it goes again: reliability is a new thing for mouse guns and the ammo you feed them, that's the only thing that lead people away from a gun so light you forget you're carrying with enough rounds to do the job.
.22 lr maybe a bit iffy but how people feel about good quality .22 wmr?
Yes gun is better than no gun.
Some places in the world do not allow you to get a 9mm so the .380 is the highest you can go in a pistol.
In hueland, .380 for pistols or .38spl for revolver.
I always suggest the Bersa Thunder/Firestorm. It's inexpensive, reliable, and fun to shoot, plus it eats anything I put in it. She's a pretty classy broad.
Some are. My wife had reconstructive surgery after a double mastectomy, and lost a lot of upper body strength. She's getting it back, but still has a hard time racking the slide on her CZ75, but has made progress on her Glock.
maybe, it wouldn't be my first choice but a bullet is a bullet
id probably just be carrying it for the hell of it though
Shot placement is what kills the man. So practice will improve shot placement. So shoot what will encourage you to be a better shot. A lady who's afraid of the 1811 her husband gave her might end up being less deadly than a lady who shoots her .25 every other day.
The catch is that you don't want it to penetrate. You want it to stop before exiting and thus transfer all its energy to the target.
How much of energy is a different question.
But then you run into a different problem - longer barrels will result in higher bullet energy, but bigger guns are a nuisance to CC.
It's a can of worms. Learn to shoot better and faster, carry spare mags, and Bob's your uncle.
It's hard to explain, but anime is really worthless and it's like this type of information is for idiots.
.88 lb of fun fully loaded. Six shots where a .38 Special of the same size would hold 5. 100grJHP gives 324 ft-lbs.
there was footage on a show once of a store owner taking a face full of bullets from a shoplifter he chased. the guy fell and then rolled over and shot the guy point blank in the face with a small caliber pistol. you would not believe the scream. he stopped chasing though.
Sure. p226 was/is mk25 in 9mm
.380 was S&W bodyguard, gun is fine just feel under powered with .380. More mental than anything.
Can carry P320c with bigger caliber and higher capacity with no problem so no reason to carry a pocket pistol really.